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Friday Bird Droppings

Reminder! I'll be in the press box at Camden Yards tonight, watching the game and contributing my observations and brilliant insight to the game thread. So cancel your Friday night plans and meet me here at 7:05. -Stacey

Recaps of last night's win can be found at orioles.com, baltimoresun.com, MASNsports.com (with post-game Juan), and MiamiHerald.com.

Orioles Insider: Jones calls his own shot ... well, not exactly 
"As he stood in the on-deck circle before his at-bat in the bottom of the fifth inning, Orioles' center fielder Adam Jones turned to some vocal fans seated behind him and asked them a simple question: "You want me to swing or bunt?," Jones said that he asked the fans. "They said, "Bunt,’ so I tried to bunt. They asked for it so I obliged." He fouled it off, and launched the next pitch into the outfield seats. -duck

Uehara closing in on return after session | orioles.com: News
"Koji Uehara threw a simulated game Thursday afternoon, and the Orioles will wait and see how the Japanese right-hander feels Friday before making a decision to activate him from the 15-day disabled list." -duck

Orioles Insider: Markakis, Angelos meet
"I wanted to give him my input and tell him the things I thought we lacked and needed, and what we needed to change," Markakis said. -duck

Futures Game Preview: The U.S. Pitchers | FanGraphs Baseball
Short evaluation of Zach Britton. Don't know if it's true, but I like this sentence: "He could be pitching just fine in the Majors right now." -Stacey

Twelve Thoughts: Trade Talk, Rumblings for Padres, Orioles, Diamondbacks
MLB Fanhouse talks possible trades, including Jeremy Guthrie. Guts says all the right things about Baltimore, of course. Most interesting to me is the idea that the Diamondbacks might trade Stephen Drew. I'll leave it to the experts, but could the Orioles possibly get him? -Stacey

With Brad Bergesen, Koji Uehara returning to Orioles, Garrett Atkins likely to lose roster spot - baltimoresun.com
Garrett Atkins may actually get released this weekend. Here's hoping. -duck

Still our heroes - MASNsports.com
"They were known simply as the "best damn team in baseball." No team was as dominant as the Baltimore Orioles then, who won 109, 108 and 101 games from 1969 to 1971." -duck

Orioles seeking young shortstop for Wigginton - CBSSports.com
"The Baltimore Orioles want a young shortstop and are trying to use Ty Wigginton to get one. The problem, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, is that no team will deal a young shortstop for Wigginton, even though the utilityman is having a strong season for the Orioles." That would be a problem. -duck

IN THE MINORS

Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - June 24
Norfolk won, Bowie won, Frederick lost, Aberdeen won, Bluefield lost, the GCL Orioles won and Delmarva's game was suspended for cutting class, I mean rain. -duck

Orioles Insider: Nice outing by Tillman (Updated)
"In his first start back at Triple-A Norfolk today, right-hander Chris Tillman allowed one earned run on three hits and two walks while striking out one over six innings against Lehigh Valley." -duck

Orioles' Pie tries to get back on track with Keys - The Frederick News-Post Online
"With this being the best pitching Pie had seen since rupturing a muscle in his back in April, he said, "I thought I was going to be 0-for-4 today." Instead, Pie went 2-for-5 with one RBI in Frederick 's 7-4 loss to Winston-Salem." -duck

Johnstons together with O’s " Local Sports " Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Bluefield, WV
Grandpa gets grandson an internship with the Bluefield Orioles. Sure, it's nepotism, but it's a cute little story, too. -duck

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Anyone see the Draft last night?

I still can’t believe that all of UK’s starting 5 got drafted, that’s insane. A sophmore from Memphis from Memphis was also drafted, so that’s 6 guys Callipari recruited. Rather or not he’s recruited cleanly we don’t know, but he sure as hell knows how to get NBA talent to come to his program.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I doubt he recruited cleanly

So much so, that I fully believe he didn’t recruit cleanly

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stephen Drew

He could actually help us but we wouldn’t have been in this situation if we hadn’t traded him in the first place. Would be brilliant upgrade at SS and he is a consistent hitter so Andy if the Diamondbacks are actually interested make the deal.

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

The Orioles didn't trade Stephen Drew

He was drafted by the D-Backs.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry thinking of different guy

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Werth?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Him, we drafted.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

was thinking of Curt Schilling but that was history

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

My head is full of shit at the moment so I get things mixed up.

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Curt Shilling was a Red Sock

as is JD Drew. Hence, Stephen Drew.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stephen Drew

He could actually help us. Would be brilliant upgrade at SS and he is a consistent hitter so Andy if the Diamondbacks are actually interested make the deal.

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know

I guess it all depends on the price, if we’re trading young players for him then I would rather pass. Unless we get him on the cheap, which is doubtful.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

nothing comes cheap for us

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

especially not 27 year old shortstops who have succeeded at the major league level

And are under team control for 2 years after this. I could see some team near contention needing a SS trading for him, thats just not us.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

besides britton

what players do you REALLY want to keep. SS is a major need and I think you need to make a deal (if not Drew) with someone to get a SS here for next year. I don’t want to see another 2008 at the SS position.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most the young guys in the majors

And I would like to keep Bell and Britton. After that, i dont think there is anybody who could get the deal done. We may as well re-sign izzy this year.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you look further

beyond AAA there are guys that can get a deal done.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you think

I dont like the idea of trading a bunch of high-ceiling guys for him. We just dont have that many tradable pieces, and the people with value we want to keep (for good reason).

2 and a half years of an above average SS isn’t worth stripping our system that’s already pretty weak.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

anybody

well in 3 years we have rosa/givens/and then machado.

And I am not saying just drew. The point is that SS is a major concern for me for the next 3 years.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm also slightly concerned about his home/road splits

There is talk of Arizona being the new Colorado in terms of it inflates a players performance, so it really depends on price.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like who?

Our top prospects beyond AAA:

Britton
Hoes
Avery
Johnson
Hobgood
Drake
Givens
Berry
Jacobson
Cooney
Henry
Tolliver
Rosa

We’re not going to deal Hobgood or Hoes, and it is hard for me to see how the rest of that makes for a very appealing offer.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

then how do you get a SS on this team for the next 4+ years until machado is ready? Unless I am wrong – there are no FA SS next year. Thus a trade is the only way – right. So minor leaguers is what we have to trade with. So personally I am fine with trading for a SS with some of these guys. If there is no team that is willing to trade than I don’t know what to tell you.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just resign Izzy for another 2 years then figure it out after that.

We already know what he gives us; stellar defense and nearly zero offense

by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'll just have to get by

Maybe Greg Miclat can come in and provide something for us, or maybe we can get one for Wiggy or Millwood, but we’re basically boned. There are only a handful of quality shortstops out there, and we don’t have one, which is why we’ve made such an effort to stock our system at that position. Hopefully we can develop one from within who will be ready for the majors in the next few seasons. But you can’t rebuild a crap team overnight.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

not that I think you can rebuild

but SS is a glaring need in my eyes and I would hope that it would get addressed some how. Miclat came to mind but I don’t know much about him and he isn’t talked about too much so I just assumed he is someone that is to old for his league that hit his ceiling, etc, etc.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me shortstop isnt anywhere near the top of the list

Corner infielders and relief pitching are much bigger needs. Izzy is fine at shortstop as long as he isnt surrounded by so much other crap in the lineup. You can deal with having one black hole in the lineup when he also brings top tier defense to the table. Its a lot tougher to accomodate when you have 2 or 3 other players hitting just as poorly that dont contribute in any other manner.

by kba26 on Jun 25, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed 1b is our biggest hole

While 1B shouldnt automatically bat in the middle of the order, they should be easier to get offense from. Getting a 1B like James Loney adds 2 wins to this team easy, and probably more. Fixing that hole would be a lot cheaper too

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree 1B is a concern

But I think that can be solved easier than SS which is why I would hope a lot of effort is being put into that position. And if that takes trading some A or AA players I am for it.

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The difference is a lot of people dont think SS is something that needs solving

A team can win with someone like Izturis at shortstop, as long as you dont surround him with people like b2b and garrett fucking atkins.

by kba26 on Jun 25, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miclat has had a very resurgent year

And was just promoted to Bowie, which for a 2008 draftee is pretty good.

I’ll be putting together a story on him soon.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag last year

I honestly expected him to be released about August 1 last year. He was terrible hitting, hanging around .210 or so. Glad to see he’s improving.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love to see it

We could really use a middle infielder who could actually hit.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd had an arm injury in 2008

So maybe that’s the explanation.

Had more walks than strikeouts at Frederick too.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zagone doesn't make the list? :)

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

He’s not one of our top guys, but sure, add him. I left out Florimon and Waring too.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

as you should

i was hoping waring would pan out but he is what he is

by Philly O's on Jun 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

as is florimon...

just not all that good.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jun 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were awesome

109? 108? 101? Wins? With our current team, those are losses, and we’d be lucky to keep it under 109 this year.

You hear plenty about 1969, and lots and lots about those 1970 O’s, but not much about 1971. I wonder why that is? I would like to know more about that 1971 WS what happened again?

by browsermetrics on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Roberto Clemente and Steve Blass

According to Wikipedia: “In the 1971 World Series against the Baltimore Orioles, Blass pitched two complete game wins, allowing only seven hits and two runs in 18 innings. He finished second in the voting for World Series MVP behind teammate Roberto Clemente.”

The Os had a better team than the Pirates, but Blass and Clemente were hot. The year that fate raped us was 1969, when we were SO much better than the Mets.

by BaltoBen on Jun 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like '79

Weren’t we up 3-1 in games?

by browsermetrics on Jun 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes we were

The ’79 WS is also a bitter memory

by BaltoBen on Jun 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

fucking sister sledge and whistles. arrrrghhhhhh.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 25, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God I'm not the only one that hates that fucking song

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question for Drew is why the hell would he wanna come here?

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

He wouldn't have a choice

that’s how trades work

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I give up. Im just gonna stop talking

Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.

by 17oriolesfan on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i was waiting for

someone with skills to post that haha.

What up?

by snakethejake on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yea, i've got mad ms paint skillz.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

its an art

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why did this get hidden?

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i did it by accident when i went to rec it

just hit the spot where “rec” normally is except it appears to be the spot where hide now exists

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure we can fix it. :(

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

i did it by accident when i went to rec it

just hit the spot where “rec” normally is except it appears to be the spot where hide now exists

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The guy who won the marathon tennis match (who's name escapes me right now)

Lost today. Yeah, nobody saw that coming.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

isner...

poor bastard.

i think that’s the worst thing i’ve ever heard.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jun 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't read the news much, do you? :)

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh...

sure i do. sliding scales, constantly lowering bars….

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

He played like a full tournament worth of tennis in the past few days

by kba26 on Jun 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stacey, how'd you get a press box ticket.

Are they giving them out to bloggers or something?

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes

They sent out an email last week inviting us to spend a game in the press box. They are working on creating a process for bloggers to get credentials and this is part of it. Roar From 34 was in there on Tuesday and Baltimore Sports Report on Wednesday. I don’t think anyone was there yesterday.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's a rec

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahahahaha

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick's meeting

I hope this doesn’t lead us back to signing washups simply because they have a name that PA has heard of, such as Cordova, Hentgen, etc. Or worse – trading prospects for them.

Before anybody jumps on me: I’m not criticizing Nick. I just don’t trust PA or our FO to acquire veterans who aren’t washed up or casted off.

by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Nick seems to have left the meeting satisfied

If he’s satisfied, then Angelos said the things he wanted to hear. Whether he means them or not, who knows?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

means he'll be traded to the yankees by this evening

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just hush!

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

kidding!!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

kidding!!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling like Nick probably didn't say, "Let's sign a bunch of overpriced washed-up vets."

In fact, it’s far more likely he said, “Stop, you know, signing a bunch of, you know, overpriced, washed-up, you know, vets.”

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's wrong with overpriced washed-up vets?

you have something against old people? or playoff experience? huh? HUH?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a pretty good point.

They probably can’t, so perhaps we are stuck in that cycle. Damn.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 25, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

nick from the sun:
You know me, sometimes you’ll have a better conversation with the wall than talking to me.

all props to the guy imo.

"Ohhh it's baad" - E. Smith

by mpire on Jun 25, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've no idea if the Nick meeting is good or bad.

Skipping over MacPhail isn’t the most positive thing to have happen. MacPhail has been taking plenty of heat, and this just adds to it. Lord knows what Angelos is now thinking. Plenty of comments on boards say ‘way to go Nick" and "it’s time this club got a leader". Problem is, the leadership isn’t just needed on the field. We’ll have to wait and see if the front office and management in general gets straightened out, or whether the O’s remain the same meandering mess they’ve been for years. We’ve seen this GM churn before. If the past is an indication of future performance, well, no need to state the obvious. Maybe the leopard has new spots now.

by drj on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly what the hell does nick know about creating a winning baseball team?

PA just BS’d his way through the lunch I’m sure.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

he probably does know the teams weaknesses/strengths

Also what type of manager might fit the team well.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 25, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh maybe

I doubt it though. He knows the obvious things that everybody knows. I wouldn’t really involve him in picking the manager.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

bullshit

nicky’s in the clubhouse every day. he sees tons of stuff that almost nobody knows except other players on the team.

EVERY. DAY.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 25, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I don’t think so. A players’ perspective really isn’t all that useful in determining big picture organization or team building. They are too close to the product.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he knows a lot about playing on losing ones.

Who knows whether that grants much insight in the way of winning baseball. I would imagine he has some ideas that are well-grounded in a general philosophy that could be successful.

If he was pitching trade partners for Kevin Millwood or suggesting ways to get Adrian Gonzalez, I’d be skeptical, sure. I get the impression that’s not what he was doing, though.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

but I don’t think this is a big deal in any sense. It’s just an interesting story.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

for those of you that care

there may or may not be a viewing party tomorrow for the USA-Ghana game starting around 1:30ish at either glory days in sterling or hard times in arlington…..or possibly another location yet to be determined.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Este comentario está escrito en español.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

“As he stood in the on-deck circle before his at-bat in the bottom of the fifth inning, Orioles’ center fielder Adam Jones turned to some vocal fans seated behind him and asked them a simple question: “You want me to swing or bunt?,” Jones said that he asked the fans. "They said, “Bunt,’ so I tried to bunt. They asked for it so I obliged.”

Seriously? Next time just ask for the HR from the get go.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of you may not know him by name...

but Chad Jones, the football and baseball standout from LSU and NY Giants draft pick, was in a car accident early this morning in New Orleans. He may lose his leg and he is in “guarded” condition.. It’s not something i’d wish on anyone, but it really is a shame when someone with such potential has it taken away before he ever gets to use it. Best of luck, Chad.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

aw that is terrible

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBN just posted an update

Chad Jones Reportedly “Did Well” in Surgery, Will Likely Keep Both Legs

Chad Jones had surgery after a car accident on Friday morning and “did well”. Ross Brevosky, LSU’s baseball director of operations (Jones played baseball at LSU), said doctors think Jones will keep both of his legs.

He reportedly fractured one of his legs — and there were questions over whether doctors would have to amputate — but the news from Brevovsky appears to be good.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great

they said the leg was fractured and there were “nerves and arteries” exposed. He was my favorite player coming out of the draft this year. I hope he can play again, but if he can have a normal life after this I think everyone involved will be grateful.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I see my white whale is playing tonight

and Britt says “he’s confident he will last thru the weekend”.

If we suppose that F’Atkins has a great game (say, 3-4 with a HR) tonight, what do you suppose the odds are that the Orioles declare “he’s fixed!” and then DFA someone else tomorrow instead?

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

If that happens

I know what the odds of my head exploding are.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 25, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it's Lou, I don't really care

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Jake Fox could be the 5th outfielder along with a 3rd catcher

I just don’t understand why they keep pushing back the cutting loose of Atkins, though. He’s still marked for a DFA in that scenario (Lou getting DFAd instead) when Pie is healthy again. I guess both of them are functionally useless for the O’s at this point so maybe it doesn’t really make a difference.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke could be the 5th outifleder

I mean, we have AJ, Nick, Corey, Luke, and Pie will be back within a week or 2 (barring no setbacks, knowcjk on wood). Lou is not needed, nor wanted.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you knowcjk on wood?

I’d like to try that!

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

logically it makes no difference. Neither of them ever play, nor do they ever deserve to play, and they’ll both be gone once Pie comes back (I assume, perhaps poorly, that it won’t be Scott Moore or Jake Fox getting the short bus to Norfolk). But I am sometimes not a logical creature.

Garret Atkins has THE WORST WAR IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. This is true even after he hasn’t played in umpteen-gabillion games. Him simply sitting on the bench, chewing sunflower seeds and struggling to stare off into nothingness is itself a blight and an embarrassment for me as a fan of the Baltimore Orioles, and I simply cannot endure this madness any longer.

If he survives the weekend – if he plays when I’m there on Saturday (for my first game back at the Yard all year) – I’m pretty sure my fucking head will explode.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now they're saying

Lou hurt his oblique the “other day” and he’ll be DLed to make room for Bergesen and Goddamnit Fucking Atkins I Will End You will survive until Felix Pie shows up, at which point some other injury will no doubt be faked in order to save his stupid ass-bacon one more time.

I hate you, Andy MacPhail! Do you hear me!? I HATE YOU FOR DOING THIS TO ME!

I’m going to go punch something.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 25, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha!!!

DEAL W/ IT!

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jun 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes the world leaves me at a loss for words.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you hurt yourself sitting on the bench?????

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Dempsey

There is a tendency to undervalue people in our own organization in selecting a manager. Dempsey is a good guy and he played in the major leagues for over 20 years. He was a catcher and knows baseball. Why would he not be a good manager? Why would Showalter or Wedge be better? I am not trying to pick a fight, but merely to get opinions.

by BaltoBen on Jun 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Because he's a total fucking moron.

He most definitely DOES NOT know baseball.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there is that.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He knows how baseball used to be played

His commentary has proved repeatedly has no idea how to win now.

by kba26 on Jun 25, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont really buy this thing about him not knowing baseball because of his post-game commentary

im pretty sure anyone who works for a local TV affiliate has to dumb down the analysis. Bobby V and Showalter, I would imagine, are given more opportunity to go in-depth in their positions. The dude basically gets about 10 sentences a night to explain why we suck. Of course he’s going to sound like a simpleton.

Although I did hear a soundbite from his interview he did with Ed Norris ( presumably done to show that he knows more about baseball than he lets on during MASN broadcasts) and it was utterly stupid. Something about how the first thing he woulld do is get together with the players and get them to start learning how to WIN.

by brek on Jun 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not that his analysis is simple, its that its wrong.

He constantly advocates outdated positions that would harm the teams performance.

by kba26 on Jun 25, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a fucking moron. There's no other way to describe him.

If you want to have a manager who’s a fucking moron, then by all means bring him in.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

nova brewfest tomorrow in leesburg

i’ll be there! i expect WW will too

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Garret Atkins is staying

Im so happy, this really made my day.

Bring back Andino.

by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK!!!!!

Why is he still on this team?

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 25, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

And why would Bobby Valentine rather manage the MARLINS??

Bring back Andino.

by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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