Friday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Jun 4, 2010 7:23 AM EDT
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PrintStill no official word on Dave Trembley, but the writing is on the wall. Since Buster Olney reported yesterday that Trembley would be fired, it's been reported almost everywhere (even Dave's hometown newspaper, poor guy), and Jeff Zrebiec wrote last night that Andy MacPhail was at the warehouse until 10 p.m. If they're going to make a move before the game tonight, the announcement will come soon.
In other news, the Orioles lost their 8th consecutive game yesterday. Recaps of the 6-3 loss can be found at orioles.com, the Baltimore Sun, and Bergen Record.
Baltimore Orioles switch David Hernandez from long-relief to late-game role - baltimoresun.com
David Hernandez is now a late inning guy. One one hand I get it, on the other hand I shake my fist and bullpen roles. -Stacey
Wieters' struggles part of learning curve | orioles.com: News
Matt Wieters went 0-14 on the road trip and is looking lost. Matt! How can you save us if you can't even save yourself? -Stacey
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- June 3
The Rochester Red Wings embarrassed the Tides 9-0 as Brandon Erbe lost his 9th game of the year. Wow. The Baysox lost to the Binghamton Mets, 3-2, despite a 1-run, 3-hit, 7-inning effort by Ryohei Tanaka. The Keys topped the Lynchburg Hillcats 7-4 with home runs from Jacob Julius and Joe Mahoney. And the Shorebirds lost to the Greensboro Grasshoppers in a barn burner, 9-8 in 10 innings. -Stacey
More famous botched baseball calls - USATODAY.com
The en vogue article to write this week is on famous blown calls by umpires. Google it, you'll find a boat load. This one from USA Today features two Orioles games. One, of course, is Jeffrey Maier. The second is from game 1 of the 1970 World Series. -Stacey
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1970 WS
I’ve watched this game on ESPN Classic a couple times and paid attention to this play in real time and slow motion. True, Elrod had the ball in the wrong hand. True, the ump was on his back looking at the blue sky when the play was made. But also true is the fact that Bernie Carboe didn’t come within a foot of touching home plate. So when he leaves the basepaths without touching the base, he’s still out, no? I think the ump got that one right by accident.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
From a business standpoint...
Trembley’s firing is long overdue. MacPhail sat on this decision way too long.
Still don’t understand all the sorrow for Trembley. He’ll find another job somewhere else in baseball. Just not on tv or radio with his personality.
And Brian Robert’s absence has killed this team moreso than Trembley. There’s a grim future with B-rob getting older/fragile and no natural leadoff replacement in site.
Carl Crawford is a free agent after this season
Throw enough dough at the man and that problem can be solved right quick. Also, Pie had progressed to the point where it looked like he might be able to fill in at that role, but his injury took away that possibility.
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i forgot about Pie
but i wouldn’t categorize him as a natural leadoff hitter. Still, our best in-house option.
Crawford doesn't make this team a contender
I am fully against any free agents this off-season
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not this off-season
We must compete in the FA market at the right time, and in order to do this we cant jump the gun.
period?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Our young guys showing they are actually worth something at the ML level
I’m talking about Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Bell, Pie, Reimold.
Because if they dont turn out to be worth close to what they should be then I dont care who you sign, we aren’t in the playoff race. Hell we aren’t even to .500. We’ve been there and done that with free agents. The Tejada, Lopez and Palmeiro signings made this a 78 win team. Cashing in our chips this offseason would be throwing in the towel. If that happens i’ll be pissed.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
we’ve tried the FA thing before
It didn’t work
why is it different this time?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
In 1995, the year before we signed alomar, we had a run diff of +64
In 1965 before we signed Frank, we won 94 games
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
oh. since you put it that way i agree with you.
you’re right — we don’t need more talent! how could i not have seen your logic before??
You can’t build a team through FA (unless you have an unlimited bank account) you can only put a decent team over the top.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
whose talking about building through FA?
we were discussing the idea of going after 1 player, Crawford.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Signing Crawford
Its like putting make up on a pig, in the end we still have a filty, smelly, dirty pig and just wasted some make up.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
because we didn't have guys to build around then
wieters and company can’t progress if they’re surrounded with shit like garrett atkins every day.
we need to spend this offseasona nd change the culture. NOBODY on this club who actually has talent knows what it’s like to win at the ML level, except Millwood kinda.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Well, if we don't start somewhere then we will never get anywhere.
I didn’t say he makes us a contender, but he would fill a glaring hole in our offense. Let’s face it, B-Rob ain’t getting any younger and for all we know he may never be the same again after this injury. Why shouldn’t we be aggressive in going after Crawford?
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I should clarify...
Signing Crawford won’t put us in the playoffs next year in and of itself. But it would fit into ‘The Plan’ in that we would be buying the bats that we need. It’s not like we’d be signing him to a 1 or 2 year deal. He’d be locked in place for 4-6 years, thereby being an integral part of our team when we are contending.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Crawford doesn't make us a contender
But he’s a young guy for a free agent with a profile that ages well, and those don’t come on the market very often. If we’re going to sign a bat at all, better Crawford and some replacement players at the minimum than a whole group of B-/C+ guys like this season.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yea the B-/C+ guys aren't worth the money
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Still no "official word"?
This bullshit Orioles management and organization doesn’t even know how to fire someone properly.
They screw up even their screw ups.
link?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Samuel will also be considered to fill the vacancy on a long-term basis.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not putting much stock in that statement
Of course they’re gonna say he’ll be considered. But i’d hope/think MacPhail would be smart enough that Samuel will be on even ground with everyone else. It would be cruel to make the guy manage this shit show for the rest of the season and then kick his ass to the curb. Give him an interview on his way out, but i very much doubt anything comes from it.
Dan Connolly tweeted it as well
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by Brotz13 on Jun 4, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A co-worker told me
They heard a trade rumor. Kevin Millwood and Adam Jones to the Mets for David Wright. Anybody else hear this, and what does anyone think. My first reaction is great. Move Bell to first, let Felix play center, and Wright plays 3rd.
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by Adam double bubble on Jun 4, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
I have heard
that the Mets are in love with Adam Jones. This appears to be a driving factor in this deal, and not who will play third for the Mets. Heck, I would throw in Miggy or Wiggy to play third for them.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Jun 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
thru his ex-wife's best friend's cousin
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt that has any validity
It doesn’t make much sense for the mets, or us really and i’ve not seen that one.
Now if it were a three way trade involving the angels and somehow wright would end up replacing morales then maybe.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be amazing
I know they’ve been talking about moving Wright. He’d almost instantly become my favorite Oriole, as he’s been one of my favorite non-Orioles for quite some time,
I’m not all about giving up on AJ yet, but that’s almost AJ straight up for Wright (or you could look at it as AJ and Ray for Wright). But yea, I doubt that’s anywhere near true.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
ESPN does say the mets are interested in millwood though
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I would trade Adam Jones for David Wright in a heartbeat. This, however, seems like one of those deals that one fantasizes while high on particularly potent weed. The Mets would be insane to do a deal like this. There has to be more to it than this.
I would trade Adam Jones, Kevin Millwood and a choice of
Garrett Atkins, Julio Lugo and Lou Montanez in a heart beat. And send cash for the Millwood contract. And that’s with just 2 years left on Wright’s deal.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
They'll need a 3B
Better offer up Scott Moore
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
atkins can play 3b!!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
that's almost like playing right?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I would trade Atkins, B2B and Lou
for a cheeseburger
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i love five guys!
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
David Wright can't hit for power anymore.
I wouldn’t trade Jones for Wright even up. Millwood to the Mets for Ruben Tejada makes more sense to me. He is a shortstop who can hit some. Keep Adam Jones for the big trade for a firstbaseman.
Wright plays in one of the worst hitters parks in the majors
He very well may be able to hit for plenty of power in Camden Yards.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose that's possible.
But, he didn’t hit for power in other parks, either, last year. Didn’t hit more than 12 HRs all season. I would like to see 30 HR power at 3B, and Wright can’t do it. I also don’t want to trade Jones, now. He has more value than that.
what?
keep adam jones for the big trade for a first baseman? cuz everybody loves free swinging guys who don’t really hit for anything except K’s.
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The Orioles need a big time power hitting 1B
I don’t care whether it’s Gonzalez, Fielder or a project like Alonzo or Smoak, but they need a 1B. “Buy the bats” is fine, but they will have to pay the price. It will cost one or two of their good young pitchers plus someone like Jones, I think. Sorry if you don’t think much of him, but a lot of other people do.
Sorry if you don’t think much of him, but a lot of other people do.
At the moment, i doubt it. Trading Jones now would be the epitome of selling low.
by kba26 on Jun 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
but luke scott would be selling kinda high!
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
this
Jones is a keeper. This is not the time to evaluate him.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
apparently, that isn't the desired 30 HR power
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny Karabelle fantasy comment
“Every closer should be owned, well every closer for a team that wins games, not whoever the orioles closer is”
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
actually — hard to tell if some of these injuries are just gamesmanship
one, though, that wasn’t was ballack. that was a bad blow for ze Chermanz.
A broken arm is i think more than gamesmanship
Maybe they can exaggerate the severity and he can play through it, but no way he isnt at least very limited
found this yesterday...
…and love it.
It’s an amazing interactive world cup calendar.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
woahhhh
that’s awesome
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
last world cup, i think i missed all of like 5-6 matches
i plan to see at least part of every game this year
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
same here!
i dont start until july 26th. i fully plan on watching all of the games.
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
fuck
i am, however, going to miss the beginning of the opening match on friday because of a 10am interview.
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
ahahaha
From the Onion:
Nation’s Soccer Fan Becoming Insufferable
“Last week he was talking about how ‘footy’ was really heating up and asked me to come over for the ‘friendly’ against Turkey,” said Janovich’s friend Beth Gleason, who has known the only projected U.S. viewer of this year’s World Cup broadcast since college. “I love Brad, I really do, but when he talks like that I want to punch him in the goddamn face. Especially because, when I asked him what he was talking about, he just said the same thing again, only slower. I was like, ‘Brad, don’t talk like that. People don’t talk like that.’”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I want to be the first to say
Fire Samuel!! Also, its at this point I think it very funny to add “It can’t get any worse” HAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Adam double bubble on Jun 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
but i can kinda agree
we’ll sweep the sox this weekend, then everyone will go nuts for samuel, he’ll get a massive contract to be the manager and then we’ll lose our first game under the non-interim samuel like 30-3.
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by twistedlogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a major concern for me
I’m perfectly ok with them saying he’ll be considered for the full-time position, but i’ll be very upset with any implication that he can earn the job solely by his performance the rest of the season. He can earn an interview, but there better be a full search performed once the season is over.
i think there is a full search going on now.
based on what i’ve read, i don’t think andy is going to wait.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
at first glance, that seems like a mistake too
Not knowing what MLB tampering laws are like, it seems like there would be a lot more attractive candidates available in the offseason
confirmed now by roch
as mentioned in the other thread.
If it’s anything like football, it’s not tampering to interview anyone who isn’t currently managing a team (i.e., anyone for whom this would be a promotion). Which is fine. The additional guys available after the season would be those who are fired. And who wants them?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The additional guys available after the season would be those who are fired.
I’m not entirely sure about that. I feel like there may be a number of solid candidates that are currently bench coaches or in a similar role that may be much more willing to contemplate leaving their current position in the offseason than they would be now, especially if they’re part of a contending team.
So my step dad bought my mom an iPad for her birthday
and asked me to charge it up at my house and put some apps and stuff on it for her, and I’m fairly certain that I’m physically incapable of giving it back now. It’s so pretty.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
You could say it was stolen
My boss has one and he watches stuff all day long on that thing ;-)
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Jun 4, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
what a slacker
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
the iPad
Is basically an iPhone without any of the convenience. It is a devil spawn. I’m only saying this because I have been doing tech support for it since Launch Day up here in Canuckia and good LORD. I think I don’t like iPeople now.
Also, now that Shatner’s gone, where goes DDWTF? That was one of my favourite new columns. Juan’s Wrong Way? Juan’s Wave In? I don’t know anymore. I’m an Os fan stuck in an area full of BJ, PHN and MFY fans.
For the record, I highly approve of your new avatar.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Best. Gadget. Ever.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Keith Law's latest mock says the Pirates may be taking Taillon..
….he thinks the O’s go Machado if that happens, but says he heard Thursday that the Royals are hoping for Machado to fall to them.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
To a degree
I like Taillon better, and I think most people think he’s a better prospect than Machado, but at least they are in the same tier of talent.
But it read to me like the Pirates may go Taillon and the Royals think that if that happens the O’s might not take Machado. The O’s might end up going Matt Harvey if Taillon is off the board, which I’d hate, or doing something else. I doubt Law is getting much out of the O’s with DT getting canned yesterday.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, i'd be upset if we didnt take one of the two
I agree that Taillon seems to be the better prospect, but if he’s off the board not taking the highly rated SS, considering how bare our farm system is, seems really foolish. I’d hate to ever say draft for need, but that seems like a no-brainer.
I agree
I mean, I still irrationally love Christian Colon, but I see Machado as better than any of the arms after Taillon.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
this
Of course its all from what i’ve read on other sites, but it seems like the concencus is that Harper, Taillon, and Machado are the best in that order. After that its up for debate and theres a significant drop off. I’ve also read that this draft lacks players worthy of top 10 picks besides those three. Not good signs if we pass on one of them.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Machado or Taillon and i'll be happy
I’m with you though, if its Harvey I wont be pleased. Its all speculation but i dont see the Pirates taking Taillon, or like kba says, pass on the SS when we have so few.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that's funny because
his first version of that article said that Taillon was still a long shot for the Pirates, so he must have just heard something.
Sickels has the Pirates as a total tossup between Taillon and Machado with the O’s taking the other guy.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Melewski is gonna get caught out if that happens
He’s halfway through a series on Jameson Taillon, the great white hope.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Please be thinking about Garrett Atkins...our Lou...or Castillo...or Albers....
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