Open Thread: Draft Day 2
by Stacey on Jun 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT
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PrintRounds 2-30 take place today and they're just getting underway with the Nats picking LHP Sammy Solis out of USD.
No TV but I'm sure a ton of you are following along. Chat it up.
O's picks so far today (links go to MLB.com's draft report or scouting video):
3rd round (#85): Dan Klein, RHP; junior - UCLA
4th round (#118): Trent Mummey, OF; junior - Auburn
5th round (#148): Connor Narron, SS; high school
6th round (#178): Dixon Anderson, INF/RHP; junior - California
7th round (#208): Matthew Bywater, LHP; junior - Pepperdine
8th round (#238): Wynston Sawyer, C; high school
9th round (#268): Parker Bridwell, RHP; high school
10th round (#298): Clayton Schrader, RHP; J2, San Jacinto College
Does anyone know anything about people being drafted after the 10th round? I sure as heck don't. Well, even before then, really. So check out MLB.com for the rest as they happen.
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It'll be interesting to see who the Braves select with the O's pick
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They're doing it on purpose, James....
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
And Todd Cunningham is who we lost for Gonzo
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Good old Gonzo
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
the universe hates us?
Why do they have so many picks? Jason Bay? Who else did they get picks for?
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Oh right
I forgot he was on the Red Sox for fifteen minutes. I guess they lost picks for Lackey and Scutaro though? I can’t follow along from work.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Yep
But still, they moved up in the first round and second round while gaining two sandwich picks.
The comp system is terribly broken. But it does suck that the O’s are terrible at gaming it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'd be happy if they allowed for trading of picks.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
And so here the Gonzo shit costs us
The big names flying off the board here in the second round.
With the way this draft went, we gave away a late first round pick.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I do like the pace of this so far though. The O's should be picking in about 15 mins at most.
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Little run on middle infielders there
must not be too deep of a class
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Never is
But Deitrich and Ceccinni are still on the board.
I want them to go here. We’re not taking another shortstop, even if they are the best available, but if they go here, we have a better chance of getting someone good.
Fuck, I wanted Parker out of UVA.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
The Giants took a similar guy yesterday if I remember correctly
The MLB network guys were talking about the Giants looking for athleticism in their picks
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 8, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So apparently
Draft Day 2 brings out the O’sFan21 in you, James.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Jun 8, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
O's up soon!
See, that went so fast it’s almost like they didn’t lose a pick at all ;)
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
'with a history of shoulder injury who can move through the minors quickly'
so when Gonzo is gone after next year, this kid will be ready to step right in for him i guess…
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 8, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So, who was it, and why are you so mad?
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
His name...
Is Daniel Klein a junior out of UCLA
What up?
by snakethejake on Jun 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His name...
was Robert Paulson….
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Anyone care to tell me who they picked?
Or am I just gonna have to look at James saying fuck five hundred times?
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
by Stacey on Jun 8, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like he had a shoulder injury in 2009
seems like kind of a risky guy to pick up
Fire Garret Atkins.
Why in the world
would a team draft a college closer???
That’s what washed-up starting prospects are for!
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
I'm looking at you David Hernadez!
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, perfect example.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Daniel Klein
RHP from UCLA
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if anyone will post a better comment than this.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Daniel Klein
UCLA closer, missed one and a half seasons with shoulder trouble, didn’t have surgery.
Strong 3-4 pitch mix, fastball is 92-94 touching 96, with good command. Plus curve, average slider, average changeup. A starters’ arsenal, but hasn’t shown durability.
Expected to go around this spot. Redrafted by the O’s; didn’t sign in 2007.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
so the O's drafted him previously but he went to UCLA?
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 8, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute......
we drafted a guy with shiulder problems who DIDN’T get surgery?
Who is this supposed to end well? Is that even a possibility?
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Sure
It is possible. The upside here is that he hasn’t thrown much which means he hasn’t exposed his arm to much stress. It is a pattern for Jordan to think these guys are good ideas.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
the way you say that
“it is a pattern for Jordan to think these guys are good ideas” makes it sounds like you really disagree, even though you just said it isn’t a bad pick outside of the wasted spot considering the repick.
Fire Garret Atkins.
I don't agree or disagree
I don’t know. I have my doubts, but I have no way of knowing if I’m right.
We’ll see. It is a risk I like a lot better in the fourth round with a second round pick, like with Henry last year.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It's difficult to really judge
after two picks. We need to see a lot more before we can talk about agree or disagree.
Fire Garret Atkins.
I hate pitchers with shoudler injuries
Just a pet peeve of mine.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Because I can't type the word SHOULDER correctly, I guess.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
and because shoulder injuries end careers
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that, too.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
A classic Jordan pick
He loves power arms without too much mileage on them like Randy Henry last year, and he absolutely LOVES redrafting people.
Fucking kills me.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It isn't a horrible pick
But the non-signings and then redrafting makes me crazy. Just sign them if you like them so damn much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Who would have picked of the players on the board when the O's came up?
Also, you seem a little tense, friend. Perhaps you need a martini or something to go with your draft following.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Ideally, I would have taken AJ Cole or Austin Wilson
And paid to have two top 20 talents in one class. Of course, both are still on the board and the O’s may well grab them later. I also like Gausmann and Smelter, both high shcool righties who are still out there. Austen Wates would have made for a good college bat.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
No one knows what he wants to sign
And he may not be signable at all. He doesn’t have an agent and is a Stanford commit.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I would think
if you’re looking at college pitchers, going for the guys without that much mileage on them makes a lot of sense given how much the starters get abused by a lot of teams.
Fire Garret Atkins.
Andy Seiler doesn't think Klein can start
But admits it is possible.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Would it be smart to have him abandon some of those pitches then?
4 pitches for a closer seems unnecessary, and maybe getting rid of one of the more stressful ones could cut down on the injury risk.
I dont care too much for that pick
Seems like we could have gone with Wates or sombody else instead to help make up for no 2nd, is Cole still out there?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Don't know exactly who Cole is, but no one has selected anyone by that name yet.
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This also strikes me as a pretty easily signable pick?
Perhaps still stockpiling cash for some later round steals?
The pirates got Allie too?
Thats two pretty fantastic arms to put into a system.
Who is Mel Rojas Jr? Any clue?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Mel Rojas' kid
Outfielder. Nice get. Good draft for them.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
OK, Kris Bryant would be a nice pick for us if we can get him here
Also still available: Smelter, Gausmann, Cole, Wilson, Hahn
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
For what it is worth
Klein was #44 overall on Andy Seiler’s top 100. Which means we got him almost 40 picks later than where he would have taken him.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I wonder if he's the type that can be in the big leagues in a year or two
If so, it sure beats paying somebody $12M to do so.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like thats a pet peeve of yours
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry about it.
You pay more attention to prospects than most of us and are a welcome resource.
Besides, it’s rather entertaining.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Who's next, someone name Wolfman? Or Frank N. Stein?
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I dont really like it
Trent Mummy from Auburn, CF. I dont know anything about him, but as i’m not a fan of most college players at this point
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
I don't want to offend you
but making a blanket statement like that just lost you some points in my book.
Fire Garret Atkins.
Its all good
I can obviously be convinced otherwise on a case by case basis. But I dont like players whose upside is 4th OF’er or utility man. I just dont see the point. If its a player who has a higher ceiling then i dont mind it.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Again - I have no idea why somebody's upside is limited by the fact they went to college.
Unless you’re talking about years of service or something.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It isn't limited because they went to college
But the majority of college players left at this point have a more limited upside.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the majority of ALL players at this point have a more limited upside
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
by O'sFan21 on Jun 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec that response.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I would just rather have a toolsy HS player
Give me givens, avery, hoes or a prep pitcher over Tyler Townsend, Greg Miclat, Kyle Hudson, or even a Reimold type.
Its just easier to find the guys to fill out the roster than it is the difference makers.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that - never seen anything to make me think that other than a few random anecdotal cases.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm open to be convinced otherwise
But every year we see players that were drafted but not signed later in the draft, out of high school, that end up being taken in the first round out of college. Why spend picks and money on players if you dont think they can make a meaningful impact at the major league level.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't get how these specific anecdotal incidences that you mention
have anything to do with a general strategy.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
its not just the few references i stated
But just sort of a general feeling from college players being picked now
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And i know, general feeling probably isn't the best thing to go on
But i dont feel like devoting the time it would take to actually look into it.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It just doesn't make sense to me at even a general feeling level
that somebody who’s played against substantially tougher competition, been working out for 3 additional years, been playing under better coaching for 3 additional years would have a lower ceiling than somebody who hasn’t. If you’re talking about the gap between what we know and what we don’t know – then certainly the gap is smaller for guys that are coming out of college.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Trent Mummey?
Are we trying to make this team look even more dead?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Trent Mummey, CF
Center fielder with great defense, undersized.
Seiler:
At the plate, he
features a solid-average hit tool with fringe-average power, and he uses both to really put a charge into
a ball. He has minor work to do on pitch recognition, but so does every other draft prospect. He makes
contact consistently, and while scouts would like to see him work the count a little bit more as a leadoff
man, he’s more of a back-third of the order hitter at the pro level anyway. He’s an above-average to plus
runner, too, so getting on base should be a priority. Defensively, he’s one of the best center fielders in
this draft class, holding true plus center field tools and a solid-average to above-average arm. He’s a
candidate to go in rounds three to five, and he should sign quickly for near slot money.
Danny
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
5'10'' 176??? No thanks.
That’s gotta be metal bat power.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He looked good at the Cape
He missed the first six weeks this season with a broken leg though.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
any stats for cape? I thought Auburn might have them in his bio, but no such luck.
How many guys that size hit HRs in the majors??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I know he stole 22 bases and drove in 14 runs
But I can’t find full stats.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
First guy I thought of as a comparison was maybe a Chone Figgins type.
I believe Figgins may even be a bit smaller and didn’t he start out as an outfielder?
This could be the sort of pick that surprises people when they look back after the guy has spent several years as a productive major leaguer. If so, it is certainly the sort of drafting the O’s need to have any hope of contending.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Mummey is a true lefty
He can’t play in the infield.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Sounds like a 4th OF to me
or a starter for us a few years back.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
well, we wasted a pick on Avery
why not burn another one.
So far, our picks past Machado are quite signable
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
OK, I'm out for a while
I’ll be around with commentary later. Cheers.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Connor Narron
tough sign apparently
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
I wonder if his dad's O's history will help
not recent history, so there’s a chance.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 8, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
From Keith Law's chat at ESPN today:
Mike (Baltimore): UCLA Baseball coach says O’s got a steal with Klein in third. He has 4 pitches and can start. Do you agree?
Klaw (1:28 PM): He has four pitches. He threw 16 innings his first two years at UCLA, had shoulder surgery, and closed this year. The evidence that he can handle a starter’s workload is nonexistent. That’s not to say he can’t do it, but I don’t love the odds.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
More from the same:
Daniel (Baltimore): My understanding is that Mummey has a great glove, but will he hit enough it be more than a 4th outfielder in the majors?
Klaw (1:42 PM): I’ve seen Mummey quite a bit and don’t get it. Fourth OF at best for me. Not the great runner or athlete I’ve heard him called.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Dixon Anderson
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8080130&content_id=8192861
Another college reliever
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
I don't mind drafting college relievers at this stage
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 8, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Although it hurts to look at who the Ray's/Sox are taking
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you draft relievers at all????
I don’t get it. Of the four main minor league affiliates, there are 20 starting pitchers right now. Most of them will never start in the majors. I would think failed starters with 2 great pitches would be prime candidates to move to the bullpen.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Tough times in Birdland when even the draft can make us all depressed.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jun 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
my logic
The cream of SP are gone by the middle rounds, but a high-ceiling RP might drop. Based on the scouting reports I actually like Anderson better than Klein. I agree with you about converting a SP with 2 great pitches to the pen, but I don’t think there are too many pitchers either in the middle rounds of the draft or in the O’s system that fit that description (Erbe maybe, but I don’t think he’s failed yet).
plus 2 other factors:
1) It looks like Klein and Anderson both have a chance of being converted to SP
2) I really don’t know WTF I’m talking about.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but this season, draft and the Nats big week (I live in DC) have made me so crabby, I’m trying to be happier.
Bonus: His father is Tom Sawyer
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/03/catcher-is-ready-for-his-next-big-game/
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing like a puff piece from a local paper
to get me fired up about a guy I’ll never see at OPACY.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 8, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Great tune though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrejJHPnVfk&feature=related
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
This sounds like a move ...
… to get Huck Finn to sign next season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
man as much as i try to follow the draft
im totally lost after round 2
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
same
other than a name here or there its just a blur
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 8, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We drafted a dude named Vader. Awesome!
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Is that Bam Bam Bigelow under a different name?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
That is Frankie the Enforcer's father in Boy Meets World
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
yes!
I was thinking the same exact thing.
by Gorilla Bird on Jun 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
2 years in a row we draft the kid of someone with organizational ties
Bumbry and now Narron. Coincidence or a developing trend?
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