Yankees 4, Orioles 2: Well done, Chris Tillman. Screw off, other Orioles.
by Stacey on Jun 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
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PrintChris Tillman pitched a pretty good game. The craptastic defense behind him and the putrid offense his teammates provided ruined his (and our) evening.
10 hits for the Orioles.
10 left on base.
10 strikeouts.
Disgusting.
The Orioles' winning percentage is .271.
Jake Arrieta makes his major league debut tomorrow. I guess that's something.
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Adam Jones had an RBI single...
HE MUST BE TURNING IT AROUND!
by brek on Jun 9, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Adam Jones had an RBI single...
HE MUST BE TURNING IT AROUND!
by brek on Jun 9, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WTF...Double post?
iPhone… I’m putting you on notice
by brek on Jun 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I'm pretty pleased with this game
Tillman with a decent but not great performance, and I’d like to see more strikeouts than walks, but still, six strong innings against the Yankees.
Markakis 2-5 with a double. Jones 1-3 with a walk. Wieters 1-4 with a double.
I’ll take it. At this point, I don’t really give a fuck how anyone else in tonight’s lineup is doing, except maybe Luke.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
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Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
The thing is, to me, most of the rest of the team aren't Orioles
What do the Orioles get if Lugo and Atkins have great nights and we win while our core shits the bed? Beyond hoping we can trade him for something, what do I care about Miggi?
If I had my way, they’d all be off the team tomorrow, whether or not we have someone better to fill their spots. They are useless to us and not a part of any brighter future. Say Atkins finds his 2007 swing and hits 20 home runs the rest of the way. How does that help us?
For whatever reason, MacPhail and Angelos have decided to run out a bunch of veteran retreads this season. But I don’t have to care about them. Bring up Aubrey and Andino to play first and second and I’ll root like hell for them. I’m not going to pretend that Atkins and Lugo are on my side anymore.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Jun 9, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get it
I get the logic. But watching it is an entirely different story.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Yeah
I guess that’s the sad part. I’m utterly used to the losing by now. And not good, hard fought, well we did our best losses. These kinds of ugly losses with errors and guys getting picked off and guys striking out with the bases loaded and the pitcher on the ropes.
I won’t let myself hope anymore, except for those rare moments when Wieters and Jones and Nicky are at the plate or Tillman or Matusz or now Arrieta are pitching. Hoping for more right now from this team is like letting them kick me in the balls and saying “Thank you sir, may I have another?”
You’d think the team with the worst stolen base percentage and the lowest steals total could learn to just stay fucking put. But no. We get a pickoff and a caught-stealing in a single game. That we lost by two runs. Which just happens to be the number of unearned runs we gave up.
Chris, Nick, Adam, and Matt – good game. The rest of you guys, keep fucking that chicken.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
you would love that line
To be fair, I loved that line as well
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 10, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
as did i
so awesome and appropriate
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So it is ok to have carnal knowledge with chickens ...
… but you can’t fight them?
I’m being a bit facetious here, but I’ve never understood why cockfighting (and I am not referring to two guys fencing in order to be first in the chicken) is illegal. Gamecocks have a far better existence than your average chicken, yet it is deemed cruel and unusual to fight them, but deep frying them is perfectly ok.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Well presuming humane slaughtering practices are followed,
the chicken doesnt feel anything when its deep fried.
True.
If I were really to make this argument, I wouldn’t have referred to the preparing of chicken, but to the process of producing chickens for food. The dad of a friend of mine apparently was the guy who developed the feed equation that produced the optimum results from a business production standpoint. By varying the feed ratio you can control how fast a chicken will grow. However as you increase the rate of growth, the wastage rate increases. The chickens grow so fast that they start to drop dead from heart attacks. The objective is to get them to grow fast enough without the wastage rate outweighing the benefit gained from plumper chickens in a shorter time.
And this is just one aspect of the process. I understand they have to clip the beaks of the birds or they peck each other to death due to the overcrowded conditions.
To be honest, I don’t care all that much about the living conditions of chickens. I like eating chicken and that outweighes any possible concern over their lives being brutal and short. Only those folks who don’t eat chicken have any standing to complain. I can respect their opinion, possibly even to the point of supportting regulations to improve conditions, despite the correlating increase in the cost of chicken. For everybody else – hypocrites deserving of ridicule.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
And this is just one aspect of the process.
And its a process that i find ridiculous and do my best to avoid supporting. Theres no reason any of that is necessary unless you have no concern other than the bottom line. While I’m hardly a member of PETA, i do realize that these are living things and think they should be treated with respect. Just because they ultimately will die doesn’t mean they need to be kept in barbaric conditions and killed in inhumane manner just because it saves a few cents.
Fortunately a lot of people are starting to realize this and there it is becoming increasingly easy to find locally raised, organic, humanely treated livestock and poultry than ever before. Sure, its more expensive, but frankly meat should be. Large industrial scale production of meat in this country is a huge problem.
I can understand some of the issues ...
.. that large scale meat and poultry create – additives and water pollution come to mind – but I am well apart from those who think we all should eat less meat because it is good for the planet. If someone wants to eat less meat, more power to them. But forcing their beliefs on others is where I part company. And making something more expensive in order to change behavior counts as forcing one’s beliefs on another.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Its not about forcing anyone to change their habits
Its about educating people about the true costs of what they consume. The increasing availability of better more healthy food isnt a result of shutting down Perdue or ConAgra, its about explaining to people why you can by a whole chicken for a under a dollar a pound, and why thats a bad thing.
I can buy into that 100%.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Not that there arent governmental changes that need to occur as well
Things like cutting back on farm subsidies that do little to actually help small farmers and just up ConAgra’s stock price, reducing sugar tariffs that make corn syrup profitable, spending money on mobile slaughterhouses that can make small sustainable farms viable, etc.
Don't get me going on sugar tariffs.
As best as I can determine, the only way the ethenol process can be considered sustainable and not involve equal or greater energy input than the output it produces is if they use a plant with sufficiently high sugar content – i.e. sugar cane or beets (ala Brazil).
However the sugar lobby manages to maintain high tariffs to prevent the importation of raw sugar for any purpose.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
As the resident expert..
since I do live in Salisbury and have 3 chicken house 400 yards from my house….
The running joke among chicken farmers is most chickens live in conditions better than their owners. Automatic temperature controls, automatic feeding and watering controls. Everything is automated and scheduled down to the day. There are pretty strict rules about square footage per bird. And farmers take quarantines for disease VERY seriously. Don’t try and stop by and say hi to a chicken farmer when there’s avian disease outbreaks. You won’t get on the property without being stopped and turned around. Most have separate boots, socks and clothes for working the houses so those clothes never come in contact with anything expect that farmer’s birds.
That being said, I wouldn’t trade places with the chickens, either.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Important safety tips
Now if someone could pass them along to the Chinese…
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
I knew I should have added the disclaimer ...
… that my information is 10 – 15 years out of date.
Thanks for helping get me into the 21st century.
As only a partially related aside – my wife brought home a carton & a half of eggs one of her clients gave her. They are modifying ordinances up here to allow more people to keep a few chickens. The eggs varied greatly in size and color, including some large blue shaded ones which looked very cool. Can’t say they tasted any different from what you get at the store, but they were in an omellete. The yokes did seem to be a deeper shade of yellow.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
OK.
But then I would point out how the laws against cockfighting have a significant cultural and racial discrimination aspect to them.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
So what?
Because something disgusting and barbaric was legal in their previous country we should let it slide here? Child prostitution is legal in lots of places – does that mean when people come here from those places they can continue that practice?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh to be the enlightened one that you are.
If you consider it disgusting, then fine. But at least get your facts straight. Cockfighting is not a sport/custom/disgusting activity (label it however you choose) brought here from some other country. It has a long history in the United States. (I believe there is some school down south that goes by the name of Gamecocks – but I could be mistaken.)
Nice touch comparing putting a couple of chickens in a ring to child prostitution. The parallels between the two are quite amazing. Far more so than say putting two guys in a ring to box or westle or do MMA.
To be honest, I’ve never been to a cockfight, don’t particularly have any desire to see one and don’t really have a dog in this fight. I just happen to think it is a stupid, illogical restriction and even more, love watching how some people manage to get all worked up over it to the point of looking foolish.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
And it's now illegal in the US
while not illegal in other countries – that was my point. I didn’t say ANYTHING about the history of it.
Actually I think comparing it to child prostitution makes substantially more sense than comparing it to MMA. In MMA consenting adults CHOOSE to go into the sport to make money and compete. In both cock fighting and child prostitution beings are forced against their will into an activity that is horribly painful and damaging to them for the gain of others.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Also for fucks sake
debate the issue and chill with the tired ass bullshit like “oh to be as enlightened as you”
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You are a hoot.
You disparage others opinions, use foul language like you got paid for it and then talk about arguing the issue.
I am arguing the issue. But it becomes difficult to do that when you place a chicken on the same level as a human being. I’ve heard of free range chicken, but free will chicken is a new one on me.
I thought we were discussing barbaric customs. With that as the topic, child prostitution and cock fighting are not in the same volume, let alone on the same page – unless you are talking about a dictionary.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I disparage opinions – not people. Cursing is not against the rules here either.
You are arguing the issue, but not before you sarcastically refer to my enlightened status. It just makes it seem like you can’t formulate an argument.
Ok…I’m so confused right now. So me comparing cock fighting to child prostitution is “placing the chicken on the same level as a human being”, but when you compare cock fighting to MMA it’s not? Awfully strange.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Seriously?
I’m not a fan of the factory farming industry, but to compare cock fighting to killing animals to EAT is ridiculous. One is for sick pleasure and the other is for subsistence. Is bull fighting OK too?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You really should get out of the habit of assuming your
motivations are the same as everyone else’s.
You might gain a sick sense of pleasure watching a cok fight, but I’m willing to bet that the primary reason for most people is for the thrill of gambling.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Is taking pleasure from gambling on the fighting of animals not sick?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I guess that depends on who you ask ...
… and perhaps on what type of animal fighting we are talking about.
Let’s ignore the fact that the existence of a fighting bird is supposedly far better, even more “humane”, than that of the average roaster. We are still talking about chickens.
Seriously, O’s it’s chicken – as in what’s for dinner.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Seriously though
this idea that because we eat an animal we can treat it like shit is really absurd to me. And you saying that fighting birds are pampered is also really absurd. Successful fighting dogs get treated real well when they’re not in the pit too – doesn’t make up for the abuse they take while they’re in there.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Why do you always try to draw comparisons that are not particulaly applicable?
Who said anything about pit bulls and dog fighting?
Do you know for a fact that the treatment of dogs and chickens is the same in these instances?
Does the fact that people – at least most people – view dogs in a far different light than they do chickens argue against making this comparison?
Why do you keep setting up strawman arguments such as “we can treat it like shit” ? Know one said anything about treating any animal like shit. You just automatically assume that’s the case.
You do know what they call the process of turning a living chicken into one ready for the kitchen, don’t you? Butchering. Let’s see, fighting verses butchering, which one does your average chicken dread most? Oh, that’s right – neither, because they are chickens and don’t have human characteristics like conscious thought. And if they did, my money’s on the smart ones hitting the gym to be the baddest ass chicken in the coup so they get picked for the ring.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Ummmm
Yes they are particularly applicable – you said fighting birds are pampered when they aren’t in the ring – so are fighting dogs. I never said the “treatment is the same” but for successful fighting dogs and successful fighting birds life outside the ring is awfully similar.
Dude the double standards that you’re employing in this argument is so absurd. People view dogs differently than they view chickens so it’s not applicable, but you can throw MMA out as a comparison – do people view people differently than they view chickens?? Chickens are chickens so I can’t compare them to children, but you can compare them to men who choose to fight??
And seriously – if you don’t think forcing birds to fight is treating them like shit then you really must have zero knowledge of what happens in a cock fight. Also it’s “no” rather than “know.”
Butchering is quick and mostly painless – strapping razor blades to two chickens’ claws and having them shred each other for sport is not quick or painless.
Your last point about chickens not having the capacity for fear is also quite wrong. People use this all the time to justify the shitty things we do to animals and according to study after study it’s just not true. If it makes you feel better about being ok with abusing animals then continue on without understanding what actually occurs when we fuck with them.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Luke had a great night.
Displayed that solid UZR in right field and really took it to CC’s slider at the plate!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Look at the bright side: World Cup starts tomorrow-- and I'm betting the Orioles will not embarrass themselves.
See, they’re not actually playing because it’s, um, a different sport. Little joke there, ’s all.
We actually are not badly placed, all things considered: Group C is us and two dipsticks (Slovenia, Algeria) plus the Brits, who will prolly kick our arse in Saturday’s opener, but still…
And speaking of losers, recall that the Russian team…DIDN’T QUALIFY: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So nobody’s gonna laugh at me at work if Algeria just accidentally manages to clock us in the shorts.
Meanwhile, duck a l’orange: I’ll take Arieta to block. Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
do not underestimate Slovenia
Especially since they were the team to knock out Russia. Especially if we lose to England and Slovenia beats Algeria, which is probably the likely result, there will be a ton riding on that second game and I’m not sure the U.S. is up to it. We’re favored to advance out of the group and rightfully should be, but the other two teams are far from pushovers (well maybe Algeria is, but they’ve pulled out some unexpected results recently in between being terrible).
I actually have a soft spot for SVO, as a friend of mine was ambassador there and they're proof of what can go right after Yugoslavia
And of course I’m grateful that they bumped RUS, saving me a month of either agony (if the Russians did well) or extreme agony (if they did poorly, got drunk and started beating up the first foreigners that came to hand).
But no, they shouldn’t beat us. Well, by rights…
Anyway, I’m psyched for ENG!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I'm not that big of a soccer fan ...
… but I’m definately rooting for a Slovenia – US match. Either way I win.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
i'm kinda hoping to go 1-1-1
as long as we don’t lose to england too bad or really hammer algeria, then we should make it out with the 1-1-1 record. i still think we can beat slovenia, but with the way we play that “never get the ball past midfield and just kick it around all game,” i’m not really sure that’s a lock
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I always feel...
team USA is never tough enough or stylish enough to compete big time. I wish armas had been healthier in his prime b/c he was the kind of bulldog in the middle that would have really complemented some recent squads.
Slovenia def should not be underestimated. They are wiley!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 10, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yep
they’re wily and we play that boring, calculated style of soccer that keeps us from playing well against anyone. remember 2006 against the czech republic? we hardly ever got the ball past midfield. we do that again (and i havent seen anything to show me thats going to change) and we’ll be going home early again.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this team is much better than the 2006 team
Compared to the the side for the Czech Republic match:
Keeper: Keller was good though rapidly aging; Howard is a world-class keeper.
Defense: ‘dolo is 4 years older but was never that fast to begin with so time hasnt been particularly unkind to him. Pope and Lewis were solid but unspectacular; DeMerit and Bocanegra are at least a small step forward. The big question mark on the back line is Onyewu. If he’s more hurt than their letting on it could be trouble, Clarence Goodson is not good enough to play at this level.
Midfield: Donovan has taken big strides forward as a player. Losing Reyna definitely hurts; he was one of the best players the U.S. has ever produced but i think Donovan can at least replace his leadership qualities. I’ll absolutely take Bradley and Dempsey over Mastroeni and DMB. I’m not sold on any of the 4 player vying for the final midfield spot, but any of Edu, Clark, Holden, and Torres has the potential to be a breakout player of the tournament.
Forward: Up top is where, once again we’re most weak. Hell, Brian McBride managed to get the stadium bar named after him at Fulham, thats not an honor any other U.S. forward is going to replicate anytime soon. Bobby Convey had a terrible 2006 World Cup and was never able to replicate the success he had at Reading prior. Jozy’s probably a little overhyped but certainly has the physical skills to excel in the target forward role but i’d like to see him finally fulfill some of that promise. Edson Buddle and Hercules Gomez are both on fire right now and while neither of them have the track record to suggest they’d succeed at this level, they wouldn’t be the first fowards to catch fire at a World Cup. Gomez’s record over the past year scoring of the bench is unbelievable; simply having a nose for the goal is one of the most important skills a striker can have and he simply screams supersub. Robbie Findlay is fast but not much else, I really hope he doesn’t see the field. Start Altidore and Buddle up top (unless they want to move Dempsey up there, which seems unlikely) and bring in Gomez around the 60th minute for whoever seems more tired (probably Buddle). I’ll be shocked if we only score 2 goals again.
i dont doubt we are a better team now
but our playing style, which hasn’t worked well on the world stage, is the the same. to me, that spells trouble. i don’t think we’ve looked good in our pre-WC friendlies.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the style has you so concerned?
Its impossible to glean anything useful from the Czech Republic match, thats was just a glorified tryout. The first half of the Turkey match was concerning, but they looked like at least a quarterfinal team in the second half. I thought they looked pretty good in the Australia match as well, considering everyone was just trying to not get hurt on an awful pitch. Maybe some better finishing from Australia should have made it a closer game, but theyre also not going to the last good team to let tim cahill get loose on a free kick.
eh...its just been the same shit no matter who is playing
“tryout” or not, that game was entirely reminiscent of our first round game against the czechs in 2006.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
btw...i do think there is a solid chance we see some success this time around
but i’m really trying hard to get too excited about it so i’m not disappointed if they don’t play well again. i was so stoked for 2006 and they turned out to be awful minus a pretty solid half against italy.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
They didnt play terribly against Ghana
and that penalty was BS. the one goal does nothing to change the group result, but it definitely impacted the flow of the rest of that game and we would have gone through with a win.
yea they played okay against ghana but def not well enough to win
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hard to say
A penalty like that totally changes the dynamic of a game. Especially knowing they had to win, they obviously had to press a lot more needing two goals instead of just one. Ghana of course knew this and was willing to sit back and just absorb the pressure.
I'm going to a Frederick Keys game
either thursday or saturday. Seeing a first place team could be really therapeutic, and could take my mind off this crap.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
The O's are so bad
Even Yankee fans have stopped showing up!
I haven't watched an O's game in about 2 weeks now
It feels great. I usually check the scores and sometimes see them up 2 and think “that won’t last.” I don’t turn it on, because the thought is generally accurate. Awful.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
Help Tomorrow
Not fer nuttin, but I’m drivin’ the 6 hours to see the games Friday and Saturday, and the O’s have never lost while I was in the Yards..
. . . I’m just sayin. . . . . .
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