Monday Bird Droppings
Recaps of yesterday's series-sweeping win can be discovered at MASNsports.com, orioles.com, Dallas Morning News and The Canadian Press (because why not right?).
Orioles vs. Rangers: Orioles feeling a 'good vibe' - baltimoresun.com
"You can't feel any happier for these guys. They are playing hard and come in here and win all four games on the road at this ballpark," Orioles interim manager Juan Samuel said. "These guys are feeling pretty good in there." Well if a four-game sweep wasn't going to brighten their mood, nothing short of OxyContin and Thai hookers would do it. -duck
Ugandan king throws first pitch in Arlington | texasrangers.com
So, Uganda still has a king, and he got to throw out the first pitch Sunday. Oh, and he's only 18. Nice work if you can get it. -duck
Orioles Insider: Juan Samuel will manage Orioles at start of second half
Not sure how this makes any sense, since Friday may be the only game in the second half of the season Juan Samuel manages. Seriously, how does this make a lick of sense? -duck
Samuel aware change could be made | orioles.com: News
Juan Samuel's not exactly picking out new carpet for the manager's office at OPaCY. -duck
The Weekend That Was; The Left Coast... - The Orioles Post
Thoughts on this weekend from TOP -duck
Orioles Insider: O's, Showalter a hot topic on ESPN
"Mike Greenberg, co-host of the show, then piped in and asked Olney to tell Showalter, an ESPN baseball analyst and former Yankees and Diamondbacks manager, not to take the Orioles job. Greenberg said the American League East is "unwinnable" for the Orioles and that if Showalter waits a much better job will come along." Yet another reason to dislike Mike Greenberg. I've been keeping a list. -duck
MacPhail's take - MASNsports.com
"We're making progress," O's president Andy MacPhail said. "Unfortunately, in our sport, it doesn't come overnight. But we've probably introduced more players to the big leagues over the years I've been here, than maybe I would have expected.
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IN THE MINORS
Norfolk held on for 5-4 win Dennis Sarfate came in and got the last 2 outs after Durham hit a 3-run home run to make it close in the ninth inning, Bowie won 9-7 as five hitters recorded multi-hit performances, Frederick cruised to a 11-2 win scoring seven runs in the last three innings, Delmarva won 7-2 as Matt Hobgood threw four effective innings, allowing just two hits and one unearned run, Aberdeen won in dramatic fashion as Trent Mummey capped off a five-run rally with a game-winning grand slam home run, Bluefield lost 6-5 despite eight different batters collecting hits, and The GCL Orioles had the day off. -duck
Futures Game Scouting Roundup - MLB FanHouse
"Zach Britton, LHP, Orioles: Slowly but surely the Orioles are making some noticeable progress in developing a homegrown core at the big-league level. Britton may end up being a major piece of that core. The hard-throwing southpaw sat at 92-94 mph with his fastball on Sunday and showed off a good feel for his changeup and slider. His fastball reached as high as 96 mph on my gun and showed excellent sink. He was clearly one of the standout all-around arms of the day, showing command and plus raw stuff." Radar hit 96 mph? I like that. Then again, I'm a man of simple tastes. -duck
Orioles have more prospects on horizon - Carroll County Times
"So what’s left in terms of prospects? There are no Stephen Strasburgs, Jason Heywards, or Bryce Harpers in the system. But there are some guys with plenty of potential, perhaps none more than left-hander Zach Britton." -duck
Meeting tonight about baseball training complex – Sarasota Herald-Tribune
If you happen to live near Sarasota and want to find out what's up with the Orioles' Spring Training complex, by all means drop by. -duck
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They're not making it easy
to stay even-keeled about Zach Britton.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Mike Greenberg is a world class douchebag
And that is why I never listened to his shitty radio show, and why I stopped watching Sportscenter long ago.
"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson
Mike Greenberg giving out career advice to Showalter is ridiculous
“Don’t take the managing job, where you’ll be doing what you really like to do. Stay here at ESPN where you’re $75K to sit around and do nothing. Something better will come along.” Shut the fuck up, asshole. Mike, the only thing you’re good at is talking fast. Buck can actually manage. Go back to the kids table, wontcha?
I occasionally listen to Mike & Mike
because the other alternative is Screamin’ A. Smith on FSR or Rob Dibble on MLB Radio. Greenberg’s usually just there – some scrawny city kid who knows stats but has no real feel for the games he’s commenting on.
But this was WAY out of line. We’re not the fuckin’ Clippers of the NBA with a cheap-ass owner who re-uses paper towels after laying them out to dry.* We’re a franchise that has 3 World Series championships and has won this very division within the last 15 years. It can be done.
Now, if Greenberg is saying Showalter is too scared to take on the challenge, that would be one thing. But he’s suggesting Showalter make a move similar to the move LBJ made last week that Greenberg spent 2 days blasting him for – taking the easy way out.
I’m betting Showalter’s not afraid of the challenge.
*No, I have no actual proof Donald Sterling has ever done this, but I wouldn’t be the least surprised if he has.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Meh
This is how sports talk guys make a living – by saying stupid things for people to argue about. It is a business where Skip Bayliss is king.
Realistically, he has something of a point about the Orioles – we’re not THAT far off from being the Clippers of baseball at this point. Yes, we have a winning tradition – so do the Pirates and the Royals. We have a depleted farm system, a difficult owner, and a worrisome cast.
On the other hand, Buck hasn’t been offered a managerial position since the Rangers canned him in 2006. He’s not getting younger, and he’s not finding clubs beating down his door to hire him again. If he had lots of better offers, he’d be taking them. This is a big chance for him, probably the best he’s going to get, and that’s why he’s interested.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
We're pretty far from the Clippers
Angelos has kept his word and stayed the hell out of the way, at least publicly, for the last 3 years. Maybe a old dog can learn new tricks.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I dunno
Besides being cursed, what is the Clippers’ problem? They are a team that is at best, everyone’s third choice – it costs them more to sign middling talents and the best talent doesn’t want to go there at any price. And in the meantime, even when they do a good job, their competition outdoes them.
I don’t follow the NBA at all, so maybe I don’t fully understand what is meant by the Clippers. But we’re a long way yet from being where we need to be.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I follow the NBA very closely...
And to be honest, a Clipper fan has a better shot of seeing the postseason in the coming years. I’d even say the Clippers have a decent shot of making the playoffs this coming season if Blake Griffin can contribute. They are building a pretty solid core with Kaman, Baron Davis, Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin. The NBA can’t keep you down as long as in the MLB with nailing #1 draft picks year after year, you will eventually be competitive if even for a short spurt.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
The thing in the NBA is that it all depends on the quality of these top picks. NBA picks bust like nobody’s business – look at all the production Portland has gotten out of Greg Oden. Has Griffin even played a pro game yet?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Only 2 outta the last 10 have been truly "busts".
1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand USA Duke
2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin USA Cincinnati
2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown USA Glynn Academy
2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming CHI China
2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James USA St. Vincent-St.Mary HS
2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard USA SACA HS
2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut AUS Utah
2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani ITA Benetton Treviso
2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden USA Ohio State
2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose USA Memphis
2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin USA Oklahoma
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh
Only three of those players have turned into real superstars who can anchor a team – Ming, James, and Howard.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
don't forget Derrick Rose,
and Blake Griffin could still turn into that player if he can get healthy. There were superstar players in most of those drafts, teams just needed to make the right pick, which a lot of these teams failed to do.
Rose is definitely a star...
Kenyon Martin, Bogut and Elton Brand have been very valuable pieces on competitve teams for awhile.
Oden and Kwame are the only true busts.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
Oden and Durant were neck in neck in college statistically… either could have gone #1.
Durant IS and will be a SUPERSTAR for a long time and went #2 in that draft.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you can quite call Oden a bust yet,
but it sure looks like it, especially with Durant going right after him.
Greg Oden!!!! GO PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS!!!
That’s my team! … cept no
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 12, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Compared to the MLB #1 overall.. I'd say the NBA has a much better percentage
2001 Mauer, Joe Mauer* Minnesota Twins Catcher
2002 Bullington, Bryan Bullington Pittsburgh Pirates Right-handed pitcher
2003 Young, Delmon Young Tampa Bay Devil Rays Outfielder
2004 Bush, Matt Bush San Diego Padres Shortstop
2005 Upton, Justin Upton* Arizona Diamondbacks Shortstop
2006 Hochevar, Luke Hochevar Kansas City Royals Right-handed pitcher
2007 Price, David Price Tampa Bay Devil Rays Left-handed pitcher
2008 Beckham, Tim Beckham Tampa Bay Rays Shortstop
2009 Strasburg, Stephen Strasburg Washington Nationals Right-handed pitcher
2010 Harper, Bryce Harper Washington Nationals Outfielder/Catcher
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
Mauer, Upton, Price and Strasburg are about as successful as you can get.
But it isn’t really a fair comparison.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Upton is not by any means a superstar....
Price is very solid and Mauer and Strasburg are legit Superstars.
But there are certainly more “meh” players in that list than in the NBA’s list.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Upton is a career .269 hitter with 57 total dingers...
He is certainly not an elite player. And by elite I mean top-tier. He’s a pretty good player.
My only point is to say “the NBA picks bust like nobody’s business” is a pretty hard point to make. There certainly have been busts but as a percentage the Top 5-10 NBA picks over the past 10-15 years have done pretty darn well.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
PS
They do have a better shot of seeing the postseason, if only because nearly every team in the NBA makes the postseason. That doesn’t give them a shot at advancing.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm validating your point...
I almost feel in 2010 it’s worse to be an Orioles fan.
If the Orioles could just make the playoffs and someone guaranteed me they couldn’t advance, I’d STILL take it and wouldnt be able to stop smiling for weeks…
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take it if we were in contention in September.
Making the playoffs in baseball is very hard. The goal as I see it is just perennial contention.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Hey WW
Admit it, stuff came out of your nose when you read that first item blurb (not the recaps, after that), didn’t it? I was thinking of you when I wrote that…
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Haha.... you know me and thai hookers
You goin on the 24th brotha?
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
First beer on me....
We pregaming at Pickles again?
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean
when you say the Clippers are ’everyone’s third choice’? Just curious.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
yeah, that's what most sportstalk is,
but mike and mike usually stays above all that, and we are nowhere near clipperdom
I think calling it a depleted farm system is a little unfair.
It is depleted right now, but that’s just because of all the graduation to the major league level. While most of those prospects have struggled, Tillman, Arrieta, Matusz, Wieters, and even Reimold were all fairly highly rated by most prospect gurus. Their’s still talent in the system, just most of it is in the low minors with varying degrees of success, but as recently as last year the O’s were recognized as one of top systems.
I like his show, but that was the first time I've been pissed with what he's said.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What is his deal?
He sounds like an slightly-less OCD version of Monk when it comes to going outside. Dirt, Mike, embrace it – it’s good for ya!
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
He'd constantly made fun of.
He’s kinda of nerd, and hee used to write for the Chicago Tribune. He’s not actually a germophobe, he goes golfing alot.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably puts cheese on his food too...
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think it's just a schtick
Just to play up the whole “it’s funny because they’re so different” aspect of the show. The idea wasn’t that original when Walter Matheau and Jack Lemmon used it 50 years ago.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it's not only Greenberg
it’s all of the d-bags on ESPN… That network is laaame.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
hey greeny
how about you take the radio shack inbox and shove it up your ass. PHN has some mail for you.
yeah, nobody fuckin asked u greeny
and way to go zach, anybody else watch last night? his stuff was lookin pretty nasty.
Mike Greenburg
Mike Greenburg smells little boy’s bicycle seats.
What a douche.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
Greenberg
I try and spell the names of my enemies correctly, so there’s no misunderstanding my fury.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Things that drive me nuts
On the top right hand corner – “Network message: 2010 World Cup Result: Spain defeats Dutch”
That should read “Spain defeats the Dutch” or Spain defeats the Netherlands, or even Spain defeats Holland (which isn’t accurate, but better than the grammatical failure that is there).
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I thought it was Espana.
Where’s the I coming from?
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That's one fat finger...
going from “n” to “a” and hitting “i” by accident…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
the real answer
from a friend of mine (after I told her “dumb american” wasn’t what I was looking for) -
España is right way. Espania is an old spelling (cause you don’t see it present day).
It is now spelled the Spanish way in a Spanish country. The ñ cancels out the need for the "i" in the Spanish language.
Espana
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yahoo wrote it the same way
“Spain beats Dutch for First World Cup.”
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Yahoo! was wrong???????
My faith in the media is now completely destroyed.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
kinda like when i found out
wikipedia was wrong. I thought if it was on the internet it had to be true.
No different than if it read
Spain defeats Americans. The “the” really isn’t important.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 12, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thikn the O's sent LSB into a long, spiraling depression.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
*think*
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we'd be reacting similarly
It’s not just about the O’s. The Rangers are in first place but swooning, and it’s going to get tougher after the AS break. They are clinging to hope, and to continue to have it, they can’t get swept by the Orioles. Add to that the letdown of Cliff Lee (in that one start, I mean) and it’s a recipe for freaking out.
If the Angels hadn’t been playing like garbage lately the Rangers would be in a lot of trouble, and those fans know it.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Rangers went 2-8
and the LAA gained ONE game on them.
Damn.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Orioles interviewing Samuel???
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Orioles-interviewing-Samuel-?urn=mlb,255340
They seem to be suggesting that they are interviewing him to fulfil the commisoner’s requirement to interview a minority candidate. That kind of makes you wonder what the point of that rule is if teams interview someone without any real intention of hiring them.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
Welcome to the world of major league baseball
if you start wondering about the point of every little rule (or lack thereof) you’ll drive yourself insane.
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
that's not a requirement in MLB
the Rooney rule is for football.
In MLB, Bud’s edict from several years back was that a minority candidate “be considered”, and on paper that meant that a team had to send a list of proposed candidates to Bud and that there had to be a minority candidate on that list. Nowhere is it stated that an interview must take place.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Stupid Spanish
Just like the Italians 4 years ago, they’ve proved to the world that the only way to win the World Cup is by diving.
3 guys dove in the matter of a minute. That’s insane!
Maybe if the Dutch had put their switchblades away
and not played like the game was a casting audition for Fight Club II, the refs would have called it.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Eh, I think it was the right move by the Dutch
By playing rough, they were the first team since the Swiss to knock the Spanish off their game. The Dutch had a much better second half, and if Robben had scored on either of his breakaways, the Dutch would have won. They couldn’t put the ball in the net when it mattered, so all that rough play went to waste. But like the old Pistons, they were right to play that way.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Don't you mean
“Eh, I think it was the right move by Dutch?”
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
That just makes me think we're talking about Dutch Shultz.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
oh yeah, definitely,
that was by far their best chance, they made the game ugly and had several chances to win it. That doesn’t mean I have to like it though.
I think we all would have preferred total football
But this Dutch team wasn’t built that way.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
If that's true
Wouldn’t that make them smart?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure it was both ways
and it looke like the Dutch werent even trying to for the ball on a lot of the tackles
I can't believe how much of a joke the HR Derby has become.
it used to be an honor to be invited to the HR Derby, now it’s just a nusiance to some guys. If the derby’s gonna keep getting guys who aren’t power hitters, it should just be stopped. It doesn’t make any sense to call it the home run derby when the guys who lead the leagues in homers almost never participate.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
but don't you want to see
Brandon Inge and Nick Swisher hit some dingers?
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
What's really bad is that last Inge didn't hit homers at the derby.
That’s just baaaad.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 12, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Starting Rotation
After watching the last two games where Tillman and Arrieta pitched well, I would think that Bergy will now be on the hot seat the most until Millwood returns, barring any trades which I don’t see happening. Say Bergy has returned somewhat to his ’09 form and Tillman and Arrieta continue to pitch well the next several starts, what do you think happens when a spot needs to open up? I still have hopes for Bergy and I refuse to throw in the towel just yet.
No reason to worry about it right now
but, for the sake of argument, if they’re pitching well you don’t send down Arrieta, Tillman, or Matusz. Guthrie can’t be sent down even if that made sense – and it doesn’t – so Bergesen is the de facto guy most likely to lose his job. On the other hand, you could trade away Guthrie at that point. This issue, by the way, was the thing that bothered me the most about trading for Millwood – now barring trade (and if we foolishly foolishly assume all four of the younger pitchers are throwing well enough) of one the young guys will be put in AAA to make room for the more or less irrelevant Millwood. But realistically, that situation won’t happen and someone will earn that demotion.
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
Thought Guts had an option left, but you're right...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/out-of-options-2010.html
Out Of Options 2010
By Tim Dierkes [February 15, 2010 at 3:02pm CST]
Here is MLBTR’s list of players who are out of options and have less than five years of service time. These players would have to clear waivers before being sent to the minors. Right now the list is missing a few names, but journalists are on the case.
ORIOLES: Matt Albers, Robert Andino, Jeremy Guthrie, Felix Pie
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Pretty sure Guts being out of options is how we came to have him in the first place
Although now that I think about it I could be mistaken. It wouldn’t be the first time.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that's exactly how we got him
he signed a big league deal out of college. every spring the indians had to burn an option to send him to the minors, thus he ran out of options fast.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Nope, waiver claim.
Indians tried to sneak him off the 40 man and we pounced. That was a good decision.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i know its early
but it crossed my mind after this weekend so I thought I would bring it up beings it’s ASB. I wasn’t sure if people thought begry should be sent to the pen if he was pitching well. The easy answer was yes – one will suck – AAA for you. I was trying to get your wheels turning this monday.
oh I understand
and I played along and then opined – and here I repeat for emphasis – that it is very unfortunate that Kevin Millwood could potentially displace someone who ought to be in his place.
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
see
i didn’t think jake would be up this year so that didn’t really cross my mind but i see your point. not that he wouldn’t be ready, but to take a page from JamesF’s book – give him a full year in AAA.
You would send Arrieta back down?
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
oh
I meant prior to the season – I thought Jake would/should spend the whole year in AAA. As of now I think he is a better option than Millwood.
I wouldn't want to,
but he’s been getting fairly lucky so far… low-ish HR/FB%, and he’s got equal K/9 and BB/9 (at 4.62 or something; too lazy to check again). If he starts struggling, even if Bergesen is too, he seems the most logical guy to send down out of the four youngsters.
- I don’t know why we’d think of sending Matusz down.
- Tillman’s just too good for AAA (I’d rather see him in the pen if they decide he still isn’t ready to start up here).
- Bergesen probably isn’t going to learn much from AAA at this point, and he doesn’t seem like he could be an effective reliever, either. If need be, he can be 2010’s version of 2009 Berken/Hernandez — we’d rather him get shelled than Jake, right?
- Arrieta can still work on his control and such against AAA guys.
Of course, I’d much rather trade Millwood, even if for minimal returns, and have all four in the rotation. Oh, and if you want Jake’s major-league stats on FanGraphs, he’s “Jacob” for some reason.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Melewski Article - YAWN
That article is basically Andy MacPhail talking about what a decent minor league system should do. He says a lot of the things you’d expect, but I see little to no frank assessment of how the Orioles are actually performing. The big quotes are ’We’re making progress" and that plate discipline is being emphasized. I’d rather hear how the minors have been revamped. What changes were made to ensure consistency. Were there any significant personnel changes that he feels will make a big difference. What role is the manager to this system. Etc. Yes, I realize I’m looking for the kind of assessment we’ll never get. But the bottom line is, I left that article barely feeling more informed than when I started it.
Let’s see how they spin the scouting discrepancy in the upcoming article.
Andy MacPhail
is a Master at not saying anything during fifteen straight minutes of talking.
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
I've been getting that damn creepy sidebar ad on my Facebook for 2 weeks now.
I didn’t see the show yet but I do want to check it out.
"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 12, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was pretty hilarious
A lot of really funny stuff ended up resulting from the writer’s strike
“Mike Greenberg, co-host of the show, then piped in and asked Olney to tell Showalter, an ESPN baseball analyst and former Yankees and Diamondbacks manager, not to take the Orioles job. Greenberg said the American League East is “unwinnable” for the Orioles and that if Showalter waits a much better job will come along."
LOL, what in the world makes Greenburg think that another opportunity, much less a better one, will come along. Buck has been out of baseball for awhile and hasn’t received much, if any, consideration from anybody (there’s a reason for that!). If Buck wants to manage again, he should take this job and be happy.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
he's a jackass MFY fan, what do you expect?
he works for ESPN, that must be a job qualification to work there.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 12, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m having trouble finding a link to it other than various Twitters (none of which is the primary source), so I apologize, but apparently Tim Kurkjian said on the radio the rumor is Guts, Wiggy, and the Mentor to Philly for Jayson Werth.
If that’s all there is to it, that seems idiotic.
seriously?
Unless I’m missing something, that seems dumb, we don’t need soon-to-be free agent outfielders.
Idk, I know McPhail has made questionable decisions with free agents,
but I can’t see him doing this. The only possible benefit to the O’s is draft picks by offering Werth arbitration.
Give me a window to negotiate an extension
and I’d do it.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
he's 31 and Markakis is 26 and having a better season than him so far,
He’s an upgrade over Patterson for sure, and probably the injured/ineffective Reimold and Pie, but they come at team-controlled cost. I wouldn’t do it even with an extension, but he most likely won’t want to sign an extension to play in Baltimore anyway.
But we drafted him!
OK, GUts + Mentor + Wiggy maybe a bit too much. But, get two draft picks? And, we may, just may, be able to package one of our other OFers in a trade.
Admittedly, I’ve always had a soft spot for Werth having seen him play so much at Delmarva. We never should have let him go.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Though to be fair, its not like he immediately became a star right after
Toronto and the Dodgers both gave up on him too before he ended up with the Phillies, where he was a part time player for a couple years before ultimately breaking into the starting lineup permanently.
That worries me a little. I can’t help but wonder if he’s a guy who will put up much worse numbers in a worse lineup than the one he’s in now.
Maybe more statistically-inclined people than I can easly refute that one.
My main objection to this trade is just that I think you’re giving away 1 useful piece (Guts) for a 2.5 months of a guy who won’t sign here in the offseason, anyway.
Most sabre people believe that lineup protection doesn't exist,
I think theirs a little bit of truth to it, but it wouldn’t make a huge impact. You’re right about the bigger issue though, 2.5 months of Werth is worth almost nothing to the Orioles at this point.
No way would this trade be for 2.5 months of Werth
Either AM is going to have a window for negotiation before the trade goes through or he is going to turn around and flip him for prospects.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 12, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think we would have survived the Syd Thrift years if CC existed then?
It’s almost a blessing that you couldn’t have an easy outlet for over-the-top O’s fandom back then.
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by Eat More Esskay on Jul 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there's no way that's true
although, let’s play along. We’d be basically receiving two top 50 draft picks in exchange for a lot of nothing and Jeremy Guthrie, which would OBVIOUSLY be a terrible, terrible deal, but if the Orioles were convinced that they couldn’t get anything at all for Millwood or Wiggy then it could at least be defensible. Sort of. If you were blind and squinting….nah, I don’t see it. It doesn’t fit the MacPhail playbook even a little bit.
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yeah, it definitely doesn't fit the MacPhail playbook,
he’s all about young pitching. I can’t see it.
neither guts or millwood are young
but yeah, it doesn’t fit his playbook.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
mac's playbook includes 31 year old sluggers
I can totally see chasing him in free agency.
Here’s a funny picture of Werth. He looks like a math nerd.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Damn....
I think I used to have those same glasses…
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no, that was different
He took a flier on Atkins and hoped he would be good enough that they could trade him for something useful. It flopped horribly, but he wasn’t signing Atkins with the intention of him being an important member of the future.
but he would sign werth with the intention of him being an important member of the future.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
that's my point, I don't think he would.
I think he’s smarter than that.
i don't think he would resign werth with the intention of him
being an important member of the future. He’s already got cheaper, younger, and in some cases better options in the outfield, I think he’s smart enough to know that.
oh i totally could see Andy signing Werth to a 4 year contract
if the price is right.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Um, that would be AMAZING for us
Indeed, so amazing that I can’t possibly believe it.
Anyone want to take a guess at how excellent a prospect the O’s could get for Werth?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
That's an interesting thought...
a team that wants to win now may not be willing to give up big league pieces like the Phils need to make a run this year, but the O’s can give them 3 pieces that can (maybe) help them now and then trade him to someone else in contention for prospects. I like the idea.
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Problem is, it doesn't make sense for the Phillies
Werth = more help now than Wiggy + Guthrie + Millwood.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
the Phills are counting on Dom Brown coming up and replacing Werth's production.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Doesn't make sense either
Dom Brown is a lefty and is more of a replacement for Ibanez than Werth.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
did you read what i just said?
thats been the big rumor for the last week or two. Nobody wants Ibanez and they think Brown can more or less replace Werth,
I've seen the rumors
Every one says the Phils prefer to move Ibanez to Werth.
And there are lots of rumors, and most of them don’t come true. And most of them don’t come true because of things like this – they don’t make sense.
I just don’t believe it.
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i agree with that, but i also think amaro is a moron
this is the same guy that gave away cliff lee for nothing and extended ryan howard, for no reason, into possibly the worst contract in baseball.
i agree it doesn't make much sense
but that’s the thought process. amaro is a moron.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I was actually considering it this way too.
Werth could net us much more than Millwood, Guthrie, or Wiggington or any combination of the three ever could. Hopefully if there is any truth to this, it has this logic behind it.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm, didn't think about that
I was thinking about the draft picks, but if we could spin him for a prospect, I would have to give Andy some props.
This has been my thought in the past, too.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
a 2.5 month rental? nothing to get terribly excited about.
But it’s possible (e.g., Carlos Santana for Casey Blake), just not likely.
We might trade for him so we don’t have to give up draft picks to sign him in the offseason.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Doesn't make sense to me either
The whole thing doesn’t make much sense. Werth could net the Phils someone like Wade Davis or at least Matt Garza. He’d be by a good margin the best bat on the market. And being a Type A sure to turn down arb would just raise the price.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Werth could net the Phils someone like Wade Davis or at least Matt Garza.
Via a trade now? I don’t see the Phils getting an established All-Star like Garza for a two and half month rental.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I totally do
Word is that the Rays are trying to move Garza instead of a pitching prospect like Hellickson or Davis to bring back a bat. This is the Rays MO – to sell people like Kazmir who they feel are becoming less effective right as they are becoming expensive.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Kazmir was on the decline though.
I mean the dude had an ERA near 6 when he was traded. Name instance of a team giving up an A prospect (Hellickson or Davis) or a young, pre-arb All-Star pitcher for a two month hitting rental. Hell, teams rarely give up these type of guys period.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Sure
World Series teams generally don’t deal six win players the next year either.
I don’t believe it will happen. But if Tampa is going to buy, they are going to want to buy with Garza or Shields.
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sure, i can buy that
if Tampa is going to buy, they are going to want to buy with Garza or Shields.
skeptical but i think that’s plausible. but I don’t buy for a second that they’ll trade shields or garza for a two month rental.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
that's true?
I love Matt Garza so much. I wish there was a way for him to be an Oriole.
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by Stacey on Jul 12, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that you could do better than Garza for Werth
I don’t believe any of this. But if it is fun for you, we can imagine that this trade rumor is real.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You think Werth is worth more than Matt Garza?
Garza isn’t a free agent until 2014, he’s only 26 years old, and he’s proven he can pitch in the AL East.
And it is fun for me, thanks.
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by Stacey on Jul 12, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In a vacuum, no
But the Rays aren’t in one. Crawford is gone after this year. So is Pena. So is Soriano. Flags fly forever, and the Rays have a chance to win now that they may not have again.
The flipside of this is how good is Garza really? He’s never had an ERA+ of more than 119, and it has declined each of the last two years. He’s never had a FIP of less than 4.14 or an xFIP lower than 4.21 and those numbers are moving the wrong way too. He’s kept his fastball velocity, but according to Fangraphs that has been his only plus pitch this year and his changeup has always been below average.
That’s solid #3 starter or an OK #2 on a contending team. Maybe out of the AL East his numbers are better, but away from Tampa’s quality defense maybe his FIP stops outperforming his xFIP. But it depends on what the team trading Werth is looking for. Garza is a great fit for Philly. A team like the Orioles could prefer someone like Casey Kelly who has more upside and more inexpensive years but is less certain. Remember that you’re also giving away two sure top 50 picks in next year’s draft, so what you’d want if you were the Orioles is one top 30 prospect and a couple other quality guys with upside – think the Cliff Lee package minus Beavan. If I’m MacPhail and I have Werth, I’d go try to get Boston to give up Kelly and Lars Anderson before I’d take Garza, and I’d probably try to get Hellickson or Davis from Tampa instead of Garza as well.
But this is why I don’t believe in this rumor. Because Garza is worth much more than Guthrie/Wiggy/Millwood.
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Would it be 2 sure top 50 picks?
If he sins with a pottom 15 team, we’d get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, right? Because the top 15 are protected.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It is a sandwich pick and the other team's pick
So, one of the picks is definitely between the first and second round, and if we get a second round pick it would be from one of the top 15 in the second round – hence, two top 50 picks (assuming that only one or two first rounders don’t sign this year).
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
unless the team signing werth has already lost their draft picks because they signed higher rated free agents. i can’t remember who the yanks screwed over because they signed Teix, AJ, and CC. But they ended up getting a 3rd round pick as a comp pick.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
no way their getting either of them
Rays are way too smart for that. They only make trades that they know are wins.
Er, Seattle did just get Smoak (and others) for that much of Cliff Lee.
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It isn't that huge
Lee is a 7 win pitcher, Werth is a 6 win hitter.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
but that's not how teams value trade via WAR
Teams always value pitching much more than hitting especially down the stretch.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Not to mention
the gap between a contender’s 3’rd outfielder and Werth probably isnt nearly as big as the gap between their 5th starter and Lee. It’s not numbers in a vaccuum, it’s team improvement.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
But that's not really true
I mean, look at the teams who need help. The Red Sox have a lineup of walking wounded and an outfield that daily included Daniel Nava and Darnell McDonald, but they have a strong rotation still. The Rays have more good starters than rotation spots, but only one plus bat in the outfield.
It depends on what teams need.
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Well sure
That’s kinda what I was getting at. It’s about team improvement, not who’s better in a vaccuum. For the Sox, Werth would probably be of more value. For the Rangers, Lee was. I’m sure there are a couple teams that need outfield help more than pitching, but I still think teams value being able to replace their #5 with a bonafide #1 for the 2nd half and having a proven post season preformer come the playoffs over being able to upgrade a corner outfield position with a very nice bat.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
cliff lee is going to get more than Werth,
but it’s not a huge difference, he’s still worth some good prospects.
yes, he worth some good prospects. definitely 1 B prospect and 1 C prospect. but a wade davis or hellickson type prospect or even an established young pitcher like Garza? as the everly brother said, dream.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
As part of a three-way deal, maybe
but it wouldn’t be us getting Werth straight-up, and then it would be very reliant on what was coming back.
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Throw in John Singleton and I'll take it in a heartbeat.
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Not sure if anyone saw this yet
but it’s an article comparing Ripken to LeBron.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ag8s0t1mejY4pWGi88zqw6ARvLYF?slug=lc-ripkenjames071210
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 12, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
and before anyone bitches
comparing involves differences as well as similarities.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 12, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the talk of him being on the yankees and everything just makes me sick to my stomach. I can’t even imagine that without being ill.
by Gorilla Bird on Jul 12, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing Muss in that uni was bad enough
Cal might have ended my fandom right there and then.
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yeah
I think it would have ruined baseball for me.
by Gorilla Bird on Jul 12, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
NCAA just announced the new 68-team format
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5374116
I’m actually a fan of what they did. The last 4 at-large teams are involved in the first round play-in game against the last 4 automatic qualifiers, instead what I assumed would happen with all the small conference automatic bids being pushed to the opening round. The play-in games will feed into whatever line the committee thinks the at-large team would have otherwise earned, actually giving the final automatic qualifiers a better chance to advance than they might otherwise have had.
Eh
I think until they pay the players, I’m going to disapprove of whatever the NCAA does.
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Like the MiLB players get paid?
Yeah, they get their signing bonus, but mostly those are 5 figures after taxes, and the $20/day isn’t enough to live on.
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Im game for it too KBA
I like the idea of a “First Four” play-in round…
It should actually be some pretty decent teams showcased for the last 4 at-large teams.
Hopefully it doesnt affect bracketology too much. I dont want to have to actually have my bracket turned in by Tuesday.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 12, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure how it'll work logistically
Especially if they’re gonna have the play-in round at yet another location. A team sent to the play-in game would find out sunday night, have to travel to Dayton by Tuesday or Wednesday, (if they keep the games there), win a game, then travel to their first round site by Thursday or Friday. That sounds rough. They could alternatively schedule the game at the first round site where the play-in game would feed into, but then you have to be sure that that site’s available for another 2 days. Without knowing what seed the play-in games feed into before hand, that could be difficult.
Why is this needed?
Is it just so that the best 4 teams that didn’t make the tournament don’t bitch? Because obviously, this won’t change that; you’re just changing who those 4 teams are.
I guess one positive is that the wost 4 automatic qualifiers would now have a chance to actually win a game.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
People have been bitching for a while about expansion, really its probably not needed
The supposed argument is that the number of division 1 teams has gone up substantially since the last expansion and the number of tournament spots should go up accordingly. Really though none of the new bids would go to any of those new teams and its really about protecting mediocre power conference teams.
Eh, not a big fan
Also, so does the winner of the play in games then play the #1 team? That doesn’t seem fair to the #1 to me. The last invite is going to end up being around the 48th best team and they should beat the 4th worst auto (which is probably around the 90th best team). So a #1 is going to end up playing the 48th best team; where as a #2 is going to end up playing a team that is probably around the 70th best team. (clearly I made most of these numbers up, but you get the point).
If you’re a top 4 team, you should be able to beat either team from the play in game; but stranger things have happened. You’re better off being a #2 than a #1.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 12, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the play-in games are going to feed into a lower seed where they feel the at-large team would otherwise deserve to go
It’ll be somewhere around a 10-12 seed, but they wont decide until they actually select the teams
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in other news, the prospects on the horizon? im pretty high on xavier avery and some guy named machado.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 12, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
What did that have to do with mlb.tv?
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It's one of the shows
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Oh I gotcha
I thought there was gonna be something about mlb.tv in there, but I forgot that they advertise that show on mlb.tv.
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