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ANAHEIM CA - JULY 13:  American League All-Star Ty Wigginton #23 of the Baltimore Orioles goes for the ball as National League All-Star Scott Rolen #27 of the Cincinnati Reds slides into base during the 81st MLB All-Star Game at Angel Stadium of Anaheim on July 13 2010 in Anaheim California.  (Photo by Michael Buckner/Getty Images)

Virtual Vensanity: Ty Wigginton doesn't last long in MLB All-Star Game 
"Really? We all stayed up late for this? Orioles infielder Ty Wigginton played just one inning in the field during tonight's MLB All-Star Game. He was due up in the bottom of the seventh, but Yankees manager Joe Girardi pinch-hit for him with the American League trailing, 3-1." -duck

Gonzo update - School of Roch
Mike Gonzalez pitched for a second straight day, although the results weren't as encouraging as yesterday's. -duck

Ranking the Orioles - MASNsports.com
Will Lingo of Baseball America has the O's in the middle of the pack as far as minor league prospects. -duck

Baltimore Sun Schmuck column: Juan Samuel's stock is going up - baltimoresun.com
Juan Samuel won't get the O's job, but he might be proving he deserves a shot somewhere else. -duck

Orioles All-Star break report card - baltimoresun.com
Jeff Zrebiec's mid-season grades. -duck

National League snaps its losing streak in All-Star game - baltimoresun.com
National League won. Sorry guys. I"m in a hurry, that's all I got. -duck

Wigginton all smiles after All-Star debut | orioles.com: News
"Ty Wigginton didn't get a hit or make a diving stop in his first All-Star Game, but he left Anaheim with a smile on his face and memories for a lifetime." -duck

Orioles Insider: Facts (with some speculation) on Buck Showalter and the Orioles
What we know, what we think we know, and what we know that we don't know. -duck

It's personal for 40-year-old All-Star rookie Arthur Rhodes - baltimoresun.com
"Nineteen years and eight teams into his big-league career, Cincinnati Reds setup man Arthur Rhodes has made his first All-Star team, an honor the left-hander called "the best thing that's happened to me in my whole career." Dude was one of my favorites when he was on the team, and I'm glad he earned this honor at the close of his career. -duck

Source: Buck Showalter to Take Over as Orioles Manager This Weekend - MLB FanHouse
"Buck Showalter is expected to take over as Orioles manager on Saturday or Sunday, a source familiar with the organization told FanHouse on Monday." -duck

2011 MLB draft: Rice's Anthony Rendon is primed to take over the draft - ESPN
"It's weird. I can just see it really early," says Rendon. "I can just pick up the pitch, the spin, like, as the hand comes forward. I just feel like I get a really good view of it early, and it makes my reaction better." It's an ESPN Insider article, so you only get the first few paragraphs, but even those are worth the read. -duck

The Best (and Worst) from MLB's Broadcast Booths: Lists: GQ
The Orioles don't make either list, but a certain MLB Radio morning host makes the bottom five. -duck

MASN2 HD Now on FiOS1 in D.C., Maryland, Virginia - Verizon
For those of you in the Washington Metro area and have FiOS, you now have MASN2 in HD. Which is nice. -duck

IN THE MINORS

Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- July 13
Aberdeen won and the GCL Orioles won. Brian Roberts went 2-for-3. -duck

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Just checked…it looks like AA County doesn’t even get FiOS1 on channel 501. I guess we’re not part of the DC metro area. Fuckin’ a.

by OsNBohs on Jul 14, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Call me crazy

and call it really lame, but I like that most of the players get into the all-star game. Did I watch Ty Wigginton pretend to be a defensive replacement for Evan Longoria? I did not, but every All-Star Game I have watched, I’ve watched mostly to see my guy(s) get into the game and do stuff. Take away the rule requiring every team to have an All-Star, and the seemingly unwritten rule to get as many players into the game as possible, and I would not enjoy the game nearly as much as I do (which is admittedly marginal at best as it is).

Heck, if we’re going to let fans pick 20 of the players, let’s at least let those fans see their home team players in action. Even if it is Ty Wigginton: Defensive Replacement.

Fire Julio Lugo.

I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?

by Andrew_G on Jul 14, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Wiggy didn't get an at-bat?

That’s unusual.

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s unusual Joe Girardi being a douchebag.

yeah, im still mad.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to say that, but I went off on Girardi a lot when I heard that it was Wiggy.

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty pissed off. Sure, there were more deserving Orioles than Wiggy, but he was our lone rep and I wanted to see him play.

Yankee fans had already seen The Captain take multiple at bats, watched Robinson Cano give Buck and McCarver heart palpitations with heroics in the field, and looked on in horror Phil Hughes blew the game.

Did they really need to see Nick Swisher make an out?

Let the token Oriole, Royal, etc have an at-bat so those fan bases have a reason to watch, too.

I will say that Girardi has made hating the Yankees fun again.

by BrianS on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still amazed A*Roid didn't come in.

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

he caught the ball cleanly when that guy took third.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jul 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

catching a ball cleanly?

how novel. does robbie cano know about this?

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You can't really fault Girardi for trying to won the game

Heis playing for home field advantage in the world series. The system needs to change. Let the manager from the worst team manage the allstar game so he doesn’t care about winning or losing. Or if that doesn’t work, get rid of the home field advantage thing all together.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey now

It pains me to defend his decisions but it’s a valid point. Home field advantage was supposed to make the game more competitive and it has, but it’s taken a lot of the fun out for the fans.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Girardi wasn't trying to win the game

winning the game is hardly the priority for the All-Star Game.

Fire Julio Lugo.

I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?

by Andrew_G on Jul 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, cause using Wiggy as a defensive replacement

when you already had Evan Longoria on the field, and you have A-Rod and Adrian Beltre on the bench is definitely trying to win the game

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe, like you to meet Cito. He sucks too.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite.

I just looked at the boxscore (didn’t get to watch). Wiggy is the only position player to have been used, but not get a plate appearance.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he was

It’s just Baltimore, right?

"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page

by duck on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just realized this, Ubaldo can be turned into a sentence.

You bald? Oh.

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha! That's pretty good.

I’ve told this before on here, but it’s been a while, so some new people probably haven’t heard it: During the NLDS last year, one of the Phillies’ radio announcers (Larry Andersen) kept accidently mixing his first and last names, calling him “Ubaldez”. His partner (Scott Franzke) corrected him, but he kept slipping up and doing it again. Eventually, they both gave up, and Franzke started calling him “Ubaldez” too, largely to give LA a hard time.

Maybe you had to have been listening at the time, but it was pretty hilarious.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or if you're asking someone who's nickname is O.

You bald, O?

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or you’re asking someone if they’re bald right as the Orioles win.

You bald? O!
Yes! R!
Too bad. I!
etc…

by BrianS on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

As soon as I saw the link to the GQ article

about best and worst broadcast booths, I thought “If Hawk Harrelson isn’t #1 on the ‘worst’ list this thing loses all credibility.”

I feel like Hawk is to baseball as Rick Jeanneret is to hockey. His team’s fan love him but no one else can stand to listen to him.

CROW MUST GO!!! Unofficial "Fire Terry Crowley" campaign.

by CStoneNo37 on Jul 14, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Glad to know you weren't disappointed

Not to give anything away….

"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page

by duck on Jul 14, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was also happy to see

Michael Kay not on the “best” list.

CROW MUST GO!!! Unofficial "Fire Terry Crowley" campaign.

by CStoneNo37 on Jul 14, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know his name,

but yes, I agree. Absolutely terrible.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Jeannerett is about as bad as it gets

"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks

by jobe on Jul 14, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Hawk sucks, you can put that on the board, YES!

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait until he gone

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two gripes with the broadcaster's list

Len Kasper and Bob Brenly for the Cubs should at least be in the top five. They may well be my favorite broadcast duo in sports, even slightly ahead of Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson for SEC football on CBS.
And if anybody’s listened to the Pirates broadcast team, thats as boring as it gets.

But great call to include Thom Brenneman and Jeff Brantley.

"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks

by jobe on Jul 14, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

WHAT?

Verne and Gary are awful. Maybe I was just spoiled by years of keith Jackson.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well

You are most definitely in the minority with that opinion. Sporting News just ranked Gary Danielson the number one football broadcaster. As for Verne, I’m guessing you don’t like smooth, professional broadcasters?

"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks

by jobe on Jul 14, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

quite fond of smooth broadcasters, really don’t classify Verne that way, but hey. that he is, strictly speaking, a professional is undeniable.

as for danielson and the sporting news, good for him. I couldn’t disagree more.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"What we got here are two teams who don't like each other"

LOVE Keith Jackson. I wouldn’t like that style for NFL, but for college. it seemed perfect.

"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page

by duck on Jul 14, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

back in the day...

of lavar arrington era Penn state, he described their front seven as a group that would “wreck your parlor.”

does anyone have parlor anymore?

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Courtney Brown

on that defense as well.

"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks

by jobe on Jul 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Jackson was the only one

I ever heard who put that jackass McCarver in his place on the air.

1986. Mets vs Astros.

McCarver: I just don’t feel the excitement that was here last night.

Jackson: That’s true. But then, the game hasn’t started yet.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arthur Rhodes: Yes.

He was a mercurial player for us (and in general)— could be very, very good and seemed to have a bright future for about a decade. It is nice to see him get this moment as his career nears check-out.

Should Hwhiggly have had an AB? Of course. Is J. Girardi a douchebag? Wait, is this a trick question?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 14, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

the gatorade cooler says...

“YES! – Girardi is an absolute D-Bag. I don’t like people that yell at me, especially when I didn’t do anything. I mean, WTF Girardi?”

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, Nick Markakis is the best hitter in baseball

— in 2010, at hitting balls down the middle. And he’s in a Wall Street Journal article as a result.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/7/13/1568060/2010s-best-hitters-around-the

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

You know what I fucking love about that link?

Yesterday Tim McCarver was going on and on about how he could immediately tell that Corey Hart couldn’t hit the high pitch because of how low he held his hands in his batting stance. Guess who’s the 3rd best hitter in the majors at hitting high pitches you stupid fucking piece of shit? Act like you’ve watched a baseball game before and can tell that where a hitter’s hands are when he’s in his stance has very little to do with where they are when he prepares to hit the ball. Jesus christ how many fucking games have you watched???

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 14, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember hearing that and thinking....

Hasnt this guy been killing it all year? Obviously his hands aren’t affecting him…

by Wieters Wieners on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but

do you know where Cliff Lee stayed while he was in Seattle?!

Fire Julio Lugo.

I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?

by Andrew_G on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha that was great too

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I remember that

ha – that was good. I was actually waiting for him to spank a high one.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's sad,

because people who only watch the ASG and playoffs probably think Buck and McCarver know baseball.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

buck is better at baseball than football. I’ll give him that.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

let me rephrase

Buck annoucing baseball > football.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And from ESPN's TMI blog:
Pitchers are always trying to keep the ball down. It takes a special hitter to go down there and get it with any degree of success. In a very tight three-way race, the Tigers’ Miguel Cabrera ekes out the best average in the majors on low pitches (down in the zone or below it).

Cabrera, at .3618, just beats out Justin Morneau and the Orioles’ Nick Markakis, who both have identical low-ball averages at .3613. To his credit, Miggy [Cabrera, not Tejada] also has seven homers on low balls, and more extra-base hits than the other two contestants. Markakis is the most patient of the three, chasing only 16% of balls below the zone.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last one, I promise.

From the same post: Adam Jones has the second-highest chase percentage (swings at balls out of the zone) in the majors, at 36.0%. Nick Markakis, meanwhile, has a .264 average on balls out of the zone, which is third-best in the majors.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Jones has the second-highest chase percentage (swings at balls out of the zone) in the majors, at 36.0%.

no surprises there. fucking adam jones.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Discussion of Zach Britton,

over at Minor League Ball: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/7/12/1565775/okay-so-we-can-agree-that-zach

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

never been on their blog

so it’s kinda tough to tell WTF was going on. I am a very optimistic person and it just annoys me when people always have to take the “he probably won’t amount to much and just be a #3/4 starter” ALL THE F-ING TIME. I am not saying he is going to be the best pitcher ever but he has potential to be good and I am excited he is in the O’s system. I’ll take that chance and say he will be good and if I am wrong, than well – oh well. It’s not like I had a ton of credibility to begin with. I just hate it when someone says he will be good and then 99% of the other people have to cram some stat down my throat trying to change my opinion. It’s my damn opinion. sorry. rant over. Good post JamesF in there btw.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stat-oriented guys like to be conservative.

Pessimists are never disappointed, and all that.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but

they tend to bring others down and pessimism is not good for your skin. It’s swim suit season.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh,

I was intending to explain, rather than defend. I think assuming that nearly ever player won’t hit his ceiling is kinda silly… I pay attention to baseball for fun, so why not let myself get excited over a prospect? Sure, it sucks to be let down if he never makes it; but if you were already excited for him, it’s a lot more fun if he does make it.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

no - i got it.

i just wanted to include my witty comment. Don’t worry, I think you and I are the only two left that still thinks Bergy could be on this rotation next year.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha.

I’ll admit, after every bad start, I keep thinking I should change my avatar, especially now that Felix is back (and hopefully not headed to the DL). But then Bergy does stuff like dominate the Red Sox (okay, except for J. D. Drew) for 7.2 innings, and I get hopeful again. I’m pretty sure he’s not as good as his 2009, but I really doubt he’s as bad as his 2010 — so I don’t see why he can’t be our #5 next year, and hopefully we’ll be pleasantly surprised.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree 100%

control + GB’s = solid # 5

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The main thing is, he needs to get his control back, and have it be consistent. That, more than anything else, is what’s been lacking this year. But the lack of control is unprecedented — he never had that problem in the minors, and he didn’t have it in the majors last year. And that’s the biggest reason I’m optimistic that he’ll get back to form, even if it doesn’t happen till next season (with the full offseason to rest).

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

obviously...

the shifty infield d this year does him no favors.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, that doesn't help, either.

Earlier this season, one of ESPN’s blogs said he was the unluckiest pitcher in the majors, in terms of his defense turning balls in play into outs.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

I am the biggest Bergesen apologist. Mostly because I saw his first start last year, and his last one. And I saw him pitch 8 IP of only 1 ER against Boston that year too.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jul 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"he probably won’t amount to much and just be a #3/4 starter" ALL THE F-ING TIME.

I’ll happily take a solid 3 starter from Britton.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do have to wonder...

are any of our young guys actually going to be dominant, rather than just good to very good? And if we don’t have a “true ace” in Matusz, Tillman, Britton, or Arrieta, is it enough to have, say, two #2s and two #3s? Assuming we actually do end up in contention in the not-too-distant future, will we end up trading for or spending on a big arm after all? The Plan would say that the young arms are enough if you have the bats to back them up, and that may well be true… but it’s hard to see it being enough compared to all the elite pitching in our division.

Granted, all things considered, I’m okay with the O’s consistently contending, but needing some luck to get past the ALDS. But I have to admit that right now, unless we did go for an elite arm, it seems like an awful lot of luck would be needed even to make the ALDS… and it doesn’t seem safe to assume much drop-off from the Yankees or Red Sox in the next few years, let alone from the Rays.

I guess, though, that’s the question we’re all asking ourselves, isn’t it?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the white sox won a world series

with a bunch of #2s and #3s. well, maybe mark buerle is a #1.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, just looked them up.

Talk about winning on the strength of your pitching. And yet, as you say, no big strikeout guys in the bunch. That is fairly reassuring… it’s at least doable.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see them all being 4+ win pitchers

with Bergy or possibly Hobgood being 2-3 wins. That’s with none of them hitting their ceilings, which would be a pretty damn good pitching staff. Although maybe I’m being optimistic.

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I first read that

my immediate reaction was, “This is the internet. I wonder how long it will take for someone to give him shit for not knowing what ‘beg the question’ means? And then how long will it take for someone to make fun of the person who points that out for making an error or errors in his/her own post?” And sure enough… That’s how it begins. Soon that thread will be nothing but Nazis and Lolcats. It’s the inevitable law of the internet.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a question:

Where do most people do all their learning about different logical fallacies? I know that “begging the question” is one of the more commonly cited ones, if often incorrectly… but I see a lot of posts on the internet where people are throwing around names of various logical fallacies as though it’s all common knowledge. Is it just typical know-it-all behavior, or is this just one of the things I missed out on in college by being an engineer, or both, or something else entirely?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chemical.

Went to Drexel, actually.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

civil

drexel – 03
Moshe didn’t teach me shit. I blame him.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha.

‘09 here. I’m not sure I ever had a course where Moshe was the main instructor — he subbed often in my sophomore Diff. Eq. class (Systems, I guess it was?) — but I can definitely see that.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

prof for systems I & II

after everyone failed he failed everyone in Diff eq, for systems II, he said that if we had a better grade on the final then the class we could have the final grade. I showed up to class the first day to hear that and the second time to take the final. I crammed all night and got a B.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

One of the worst things about majoring in engineering is that the professors are among those who, because they’re all about their research, care the least about actually teaching. I actually got my Master’s there, too, and one of my professors actually assigned homework problems that he didn’t know how to solve — he just had the solutions as worked out by the author of the textbook he was using.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

i got mine at lehigh and it was the same exact thing. although my research was a federally funded project so your tax dollars paid for that crap.

by Philly O's on Jul 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ick.

I was in an accelerated program — got it in the normal 5 years for the B.S. w/ co-ops — so fortunately, I was able to just take classes rather than do research. I actually got to take a bunch of chemistry courses, which was nice, since I mistakenly thought chemical engineering involved chemisty.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, chemistry.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

since I mistakenly thought chemical engineering involved chemisty.

Why does no one explain this to you going in? I spent a miserable year and half in ChemE before i transferred to chemistry.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I think they try to hint at it, but they don’t want to just come out and say it, because too many people will switch out once they find out ChemE is all about making things go through pipes correctly.

I really hope I don’t look back several years from now and really wish I’d done straight Chem instead… by the time I was sure I wasn’t going to like ChemE, I figured I might as well just stick it out. The typically higher salary and demand for engineers help… though with manufacturing going down the toilet, not as much as I was hoping.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

woop woop

fios for the win

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by danielreese05 on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

That's still some good company

Stanton is ridiculous and so is Andrus. Posey is good, but not worth more than Wieters, unless you factor in the additonal year of team control. I’ve only seen him play 1B, so I don’t know how good his arm is.

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and last year #33: Ubaldo Jimenez

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Wieter's is generally considered the better defender,

but Posey has started hitting much quicker than Wieters, which I think factored into it as well.

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The BJ's just cashed in on Alex Gonzalez's outlier season

trading him to the Braves for Yunel Escobar

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

that’s a little bit shocking. does this mean a decline in value you think? he’s my starting fantasy shortstop.

"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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by danielreese05 on Jul 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically speaking, 'outlier season' is probably not the apropos term actually...

I thought he was playing way above his head, but looking at the BR page, in the past he’s actually put up somewhat similar numbers to this year. He’s just been inconsistent. His HR totals stand to outpace his ’04 season though.

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

his ISO is .084 above his career avg and easily the highest of his career

and he’s 34. So I think outlier is pretty justified. Also, even with all the homeruns, he is still a barely above avg hitter because his OBP is .296. I’d much rather have Escobar, even with his down year, he’s only 27.

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt the BJ's got a very good young shortstop.

I don’t anything about the minor leaguers involved, but it would seem the BJ’s got a pretty sweet deal for the long term.

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves hate Yunel Escobar. Apparently, he has attitude/work ethic issues.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Andy was interested. He doesn’t like clubhouse problem makers but the cost would be low (maybe Izzy, Synder, and some relief prospect) and the upside would be high.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same

But I think the Braves mostly wanted to upgrade the bat at the position, and Izzy sure ain’t doing that. And they already have Infante as a super utility dude, so Wiggy doesn’t fit for them either.

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect
both he and Dibble are unrepentant homers—Dibble more so—embracing the Nats in first-person terms (“our hitters,” etc.). But it doesn’t end there. After a great catch by the opposition, Dibble growls, “You gotta be kidding me,” like he’s looking for a fight. By way of game analysis, Dibble complains about the umpires’ strike zones

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Jul 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I really wish Dibble would get off that homer crap

Nothing wrong with being a homer, just don’t be over the top. Its a shame, because he really does have some insights into the game that are overlooked.

"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks

by jobe on Jul 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he does???

Like what?

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 15, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Onion, doing what they do...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/umpires-perfect-game-goes-completely-unnoticed,17664/

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha, that's great.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cano

Seeing Cano at playing second for the AL team emphasized the need for the Os to have a bigger international presence. He was a free player, because NY did not have to burn a draft choice for him. Also, with the money we are wasting on Atkins, Gonzales, Uehara, and Millwood, we could have more scouts and more international signings. Apart from Britton, there is no apparent blue chip prospect in the minors. We have to devote our efforts to getting more prospects. Please trade Wiggy, Guthrie, and Millwood for prospects, even if we have to eat most of Millwood’s salary.

by BaltoBen on Jul 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Uehara was an international signing.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

in a keeper league?? a very bad idea.

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

bookmark for future trades

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never a Doubt Georgie

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/dodgers-put-george-sherrill-on-outright-waivers.html

Think AM picks him back up for lulz?

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Sherrill is available

The Dodgers put him on outright waivers. The Dodgers can’t pull him back if any team claims him. But the team will claim his salary.

Price suggests Sherrill, who makes $4.5MM this season, will clear waivers, which would enable the Dodgers to option the reliever to the minor leagues. The 33-year-old lefty has a 7.32 ERA and nearly as many walks (16 BB) as innings (19.2 IP) so far in 2010.

I’m almost tempted to say we should claim him.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I sense groupthink

I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly

by CoachOfEarl on Jul 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Who cares? I mean, not that our bullpen is anything special, but what do we need to pay $2M for another bullpen arm for? To be only the worst team in the division by 30 games?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it was more of a fun fact,

as in, the Dodgers are morons for giving us actual legitimate prospects for basically a LOOGY.

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

They got great performance down the stretch from Flat Breezy and it helped them achieve the best record in the National League and to the NLCS. It certainly wasn’t the greatest possible move, but I can’t fault the Dodgers too terribly – the wins counted a great deal and they got the piece they needed at the time to get them.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, it was pretty stupid

he was worth 1.4 WAR last year between the O’s and Dodgers. He was better in the NL than AL, but he threw more innings here, so I’d say he gave them at most 1 win. That 1 win was worth Josh Bell and Steve Johnson? No way, I can’t see any argument for it, especially since they ended up losing in the NLCS anyway.

by Strat12 on Jul 14, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, it would have been defensible if he would performed well in the playoffs

but he sucked in the NLCS.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning in the playoffs is almost entirely random

You can only get your team there and hope for the best.

I’m a big fan, as you know, about these kinds of WAR-based calculations. But at the same time, well…

I mean, who doesn’t like to bash Colletti? But what I can’t argue with are the results. The Dodgers keep winning, keep playing competitive baseball in September and going to the playoffs as often as not. The players he’s overpaid for like Sherrill and Blake have been key parts of the team, and under his watch the Dodgers have developed and acquired a bunch of young stars like Kershaw, Billingsley, Kemp and Ethier, as well as solid complimentary players like Martin, Loney, and Broxton, and a solid system with guys like Dee Gordon, Chris Withrow, and Ethan Martin.

So while I’m not arguing for it exactly, I don’t see that it has worked out too badly for the Dodgers.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, who doesn’t like to bash Colletti? But what I can’t argue with are the results.

Colletti doesn’t deserve much praise for the team’s success since he didn’t construct most of it. He inherited all of those young guys you mentioned.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, he came on in 2006

He acquired Ethier and was in charge when they drafted Kershaw, Gordon, Withrow, and Martin. And of course, he hasn’t traded most of his young core, and with the exception of keeping Martin over Santana, mostly he’s made the right calls in which prospects to let go, like LaRoche.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, my bad

I thought he came in 2008. I’ll give him a little more credit then. Randy Wolf was a nice pick up for Ned as well.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said almost. I really don’t have strong opinion. We could use another BP arm and I think G-spot could bounce back with us, but I haven’t looked closely at his 2010 numbers or seen him pitch. Plus he would under control for multiple years.

To be only the worst team in the division by 30 games?

Man, I’ve using this argument for about every signing we’ve done.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

haven’t looked closely at his 2010 numbers

7.32ERA, 2.24 WHIP. nothing to see here.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems really odd how badly he's doing this year.

I mean, he’s walking more guys than he’s striking out, which is obviously terrible… I just wouldn’t have expected him to struggle so much all of a sudden, especially in the NL West.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This happens all the time with relievers

outside of your top class of closers, expecting sustained success from a reliever is foolish. which is why when you can flip one at the deadline for a solid prospect, you do it.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I know it’s not uncommon… seems weird all the same, though.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, it is a tiny sample

He’s pitched fewer than 20 innings.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah.

I looked at the wrong line for innings; didn’t realize it was that few.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 14, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but its not like theres one really bad out skewing the numbers. He’s given up a baserunner in 22 of his 34 appearances while not striking out anyone in 25 out of 34. In his small number of innings, he’s pretty consistently bad.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, those are bad numbers

It could be bad stretch though. I’m sure you could go through his game logs in previous years and find a bad short stretch. His ERA in June/July in 2008 sucked for example.

That said, now that I’ve thought about it more, I don’t think we should pick him up. He’s going to be expensive as fuck next season via arbitration (probably around $6M). I wouldn’t having him for $2 or $3M for the entire season though.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time imagining he'll go to arb

He’ll either sign a deal for a lesser amount before arb or he’ll get non-tendered.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He made $4.3 this year. He’s going to ask for a small raise because that’s what all players do in arbitration. He might get non-tendered. That I can easily see. He’ll become a free agent in that case and his salary will be at the mercy of the market.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but who'd pay him $4.3M?

He might get a guaranteed contract from the Dodgers or whoever, but no team is going to go to arb with him unless he has a monster second half.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree with you dude

As I said, I can easily see him getting non-tendered. If the O’s want to sign him then for $2M, I’m fine with that.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 14, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too

He’s a good enough LOOGY and has a history with Kranitz.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 14, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: O's player rankings

Markakis a B, Wiggy a B, Patterson a B+ — really? Patterson our best position player so far? Markakis no better than Wiggy? I’m having a hard time seeing it.

by Luke E on Jul 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Graded on a bit of a curve probably

based on their expected contribution, Patterson probably deserves a B+, though i’d give Markakis a B+ too.

by kba26 on Jul 14, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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