Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jul 20, 2010 9:09 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of last night's loss can be found at orioles.com, baltimoresun.com, MASNsports (with post-game Juan Samuel), and Tampa Bay Online.
Orioles notebook: Orioles will be cautious with Luke Scott
"In the past two weeks, Luke Scott learned it's even harder to watch his team lose on television than it is from the dugout." Now he knows our pain.
Orioles Insider: Brady, B.J. get to watch this, too
"John Stockstill has been a big champion of bringing back some of the club’s former players to help out. Anderson, who is a part-time MASN broadcaster, has already gone to Triple-A Norfolk to work with struggling outfielder Nolan Reimold."
Orioles Insider: Roberts' postgame comments after first rehab game with Double-A Bowie
"Results are always good. I don’t care if you are in rehab games or you’re in the big leagues. Results are always good because they help build your confidence and confidence is a big part of this game. You always want to get results. You don’t ever want to go 0-for-5. That’s not the most important thing, but certainly if you’re getting results, it’s a good indication of where you are."
O’s may hold key to Rays Playoff hopes | Birds Watcher
We just may be the reason the Rays get into the playoffs. Just ask the Red Sox.
Calling ALL relievers! - 2131 And Beyond
So know that the Orioles have used every reliever in the Orioles system in the last two days, who's available the rest of the week?
IN THE MINORS
5 Orioles Prospects You May Not Know About - Minor League Ball
Taking a look at some sleepers in the O's system.
Aaron Wirsch Interview - OriolesProspects.com
Wirsch discusses his pitches, which MLB pitcher he compares himself to and more.
Cameron Coffey Interview - OriolesProspects.com
Coffey talks about his pre-draft history, his arsenal of pitches and how he's going to stay healthy.
Q&A: Blue Jays Minor Leaguer Adam Loewen | Bus Leagues Baseball
Adam Loewen, who's having a good season in AA, talks about becoming a hitter and why he decided to leave the Orioles for the Blue Jays. -Stacey
MINOR LEAGUE RESULTS
Norfolk won 4-0 as four Norfolk pitchers combined on a five-hit shutout that saw Mike Gonzalez get two strikeouts in his scoreless inning of relief.
Bowie won 6-2 as Baltimore Orioles 2B Brian Roberts joined the Baysox on a Major League rehab assignment, and provided a boost as he went 2-for-5 with a double and an RBI.
Frederick won 6-3 as Keys CF Xavier Avery finished a triple shy of the cycle, going 3-for-5 with a two run home run
Delmarva lost in extra innings as they snapped a six-game winning streak.
Aberdeen won 8-7 despite an hour and 28 minute rain delay in the eighth inning on Monday night, after which the IronBirds rallied and scored three runs in the ninth inning.
Bluefield lost 7-6 as Greeneville scored three runs in the bottom of the 9th inning.
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If us getting swept hurts the Sox, I'm fine with it.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
So this pineapple yogurt I'm eating for breakfast
is amazing. Just thought I’d share.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You don't think of pineapple as something that goes in yogurt.
Or at least, I don’t.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 20, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
it'd probably be better with a little cheese
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
What isn't?
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
good question
i shall ponder this for the remainder of my lovely two weeks off.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
why settle for a little?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well those yogurt containers are usually pretty small
then it’d be like having some yogurt with your cheese
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
6 oz of creamy, pineappley goodness
topped with a few hunks of brie. Delish!
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'm gonna say this just one time...
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE? ON DOPE?
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
They're on cheese.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Eating that Chobani stuff or something?
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
I love Chobani.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Oh I love the pomegranate
That and pineapple are my favorites. Have you had that brand Fage? I might like it better than Chobani but it’s too expensive.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
never have
I’ll look for it next time. I love pomegranate, especially the mojito kind! (yes I drink pomegranate mojitos in public – yes my friends make fun of me – no I don’t care). I just didn’t like all the seeds in the yogurt – a big let down. Maybe you didn’t get one with as many seeds?
Never had a pomegranate mojito
I like a good pomegranate margarita, though. I like the seeds in the yogurt, but I can see how it wouldn’t be everyone’s thing. The Fage yogurt has the fruit in a separate little pouch and you mix it when you open the container. The yogurt itself is better than Chobani I think. More dense. The fact that I’m still talking about yogurt is kind of embarrassing. But I love it.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I think we all have embarrassed ourselves on here enough
so not sure Tuesday Yogurt Talk with Stacey is as embarrassing as the way the O’s are playing…
I am now excited to try it. seems like a lot of work with the pouch – but must be worth it. Thanks.
I enjoy seeding pomegrantes
it’s relaxing work, and very nice. I’m not a fan of yogurt though. It’s basically eating old, chewy milk. Blegh.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
ew, it's nothing like that.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Fage is great
but i have a hard time paying twice as much for it instead of just getting the Trader Joe’s brand greek yogurt.
I've never had Trader Joe's
there isn’t one convenient to me, unfortunately. I only buy the Fage if it’s on sale.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
fage is wicked awesome
especially with strawberry. liberte is also really good. its not quite greek yogurt, but a similar consistency.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm
But if Brian Roberts is back on Saturday I will be so happy. I know I just said yesterday that I’ll believe it when I see it, and that’s still true, but I’m starting to get my hopes up just a little. I know I shouldn’t. But I just miss that little dude.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
If he were around
Nick would at least have more RBI’s than doubles
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of talk around concerning the delay in the managerial choice.
I’ve been wondering if Showalter also has cold feet.
Yeah, Angelos and MacPhail are not going to hurry any decision. No one seems to be highlighting the fact that Showalter might not be in a hurry.
If Showalter isn't enthusiastic about getting the job...
..then he’s the wrong guy for the job.
I doubt that is the case, though. Showalter has a good reputation in the public, but was voted the most hated manager in the AL by the players during his last stint with the Rangers and isn’t exactly seeing teams beating down his door. Baltimore is a good opportunity for Buck – he gets a chance to prove that his reputation for helping develop young talent and turning around franchises is warranted under the toughest of conditions – if he can make it here, he can restart his career.
So I suspect he wants this job. But if he doesn’t, then fuck him. Just like with Valentine, nothing could be a better indicator that you’re the wrong person for the job than your not wanting the job above any other option.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
any chance
the delay has to do with the coaching staff? They can’t just nab other coachers right now – right? Clearly he can come in now and just use what he has and wait till the offseason to retool but not sure that would really be worth it I guess.
No idea what the delay has to do with.
It could be anything, I suppose. Including the coaches.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What's the consensus...
on the fates of Allenson and Samuel? Does Windmill get the boot out of the organization completely? Does Gary go back to Norfolk? Will the Crow be around still?
I think the delay has a lot to do with the coaching staff. It’s not like we’re fighting for a playoff spot (or even respectability), so what is the sense of making a move?
I could argue, however, that if Buck is the next manager, I’d want him to have input on the non-waiver trade deadline deals.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I mean, I hope Samuel is let go – he’s a lousy manager and a lousy third base coach, so what we’d want to do with him, I have no idea. And I think everyone here wants Crowley fired.
I don’t know enough about Allenson to say, but in theory, he should be going back to manage Norfolk.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Showalter has a good reputation in the public, but was voted the most hated manager in the AL by the players during his last stint with the Rangers
I do not understand why we want this guy.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Because you don't have to love your boss...
…you just have to perform well for him?
The year before they named him most hated, Showalter was the Manager of the Year.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Right...
He won 89 games with:
Alfonso Soriano
Michael Young
Mark Teixeria
Hank Blalock
As a matter of fact, that team did nothing but mash, as every regular in that line-up hit at least 11 HR.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucked up think is that the year before, they hit more home runs
12 more, in fact, with a lineup of Teixeira, Young, A-Rod, Raffy, Blalock, and Juan Gonzalez.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Even more strange is that in 2003 they...
actually outperformed their Pythag W-L by two games. That rotation was terrible.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you don’t have to love your boss you just have to perform well for him?
Nope, never argued that. Just to be clear, IMO you don’t have to love your boss to perform well. You don’t even have to like him. But you DO you have to find him collegial or else the relationship becomes a liability.
And I can cherry pick one year too.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Of course you didn't
That was just my answer to your question.
So what if he’s a dick? I’ve worked for a guy a couple times who is famous for being one of the biggest assholes in my entire industry. He’s a fuckwit. But he’s fucking great at his job.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, and to me that’s not understandable reason.
And being a dick works in certain work environments. Creative industries, which I believe where you work at, being a dick is acceptable. Artists typically need a lot a lot of creative anatomy in order to execute their vision. Thus being a dick is acceptable because it doesn’t undermine the central product being created. But that’s now how a dugout works.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Academia is another place where being a dick is quite acceptable except they’re just labeled as eccentric. But academia and the entertainment industry aren’t analogous to the dugout.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I don't know
the best coaches I ever played for were huge assholes that most of the weak guys (I’m using “weak guys” instead of a 5 letter word that starts with P and ends with Y because I think Stacey gave me shit for using it once before) on the team hated, but they got the absolute most out of the players regardless of whether you like him or not. During the season you’d hate him and then after the season was over, you’d say “Holy shit that’s the best baseball we’ve ever played.” And then the next year when we had some nice guy coach everybody would be having a great time jerking off, but at the end of the year we all would have preferred the asshole. A couple weak guys ended up quitting because they couldn’t deal, and I’m sure that would happen with the O’s, but everybody who stuck around got dramatically better.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Usually when people are treated like dicks, people revolt. Not always though as your example point out.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I think it's different in sports
I think there’s a certain expectation that a coach is not going to be nice to you and that’s just the way it is.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
That’s fine. I really not caught up in nice. But you do have to collegial and professional. There’s a difference between being nice and being collegial and professional.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Again I think sports are different – professional isn’t really par for the course.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The norms of professionalism are just a bit different in sports than other industries. But professionalism is definitely par for course for every industry.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
sure
but I’m saying that professionalism can include being a fucking dickhead.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
and i don't disagree
Yelling at players is acceptable in baseball. I get it. But i’m saying there’s a breaking point.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Don't you know...
He’s won! In the AL East!
Nevermind the fact that his career WIN% is .514 and two of his three former teams went on to win the WS in the year immediately following his departure.
Additionally, he would alienate the shit out of guys like Nick and AJ, as wearing your cap backwards is “Bush” to ole Buck.
The more and more I think about it, I think Buck could possibly be the second worst choice to manage this team (after John Gibbons, of course). We need guys like Adam buying into this whole thing, not getting screamed at for blowing bubbles.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
We need to coddle Adam about as much as we need a Natty Boh enema. Hell, I’ll send $5 to whoever kicks him in the balls first.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Jul 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man
who the fuck even knows what Adam Jones needs?
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
by Andrew_G on Jul 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I know he needs to get kicked...
…I don’t know that it will improve his play any, but he’s got it coming.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Jul 20, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
leadership role
I don’t think him assuming the leadership role was something he should have done. Not that there were 25 canidates but I wish he would have stayed away from that and just concentrated on his game.
I guess
I don’t even know how much he did that.
What I do know is that he needs a whole lot more humility. And somehow, sucking ass in the majors hasn’t given him much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Sucking ass...
is a bit much, he’s not yet 25!
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i remember reading about it in ST. It has cooled off since then but he was all about it before he decided to suck ass in the regular season.
Well they've had the freedom to jerk off for the last x number of years
let’s try something new.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well they've had the freedom to jerk off for the last x number of years
let’s try something new.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Look...
His defense has left something to be desired (though his UZR has improved), but for a guy hitting in front of Scott Moore, he’s starting to drive the ball with consistency and he’s even improving his plate discipline.
What will make him play better defense and swing at fewer balls low out of the zone? I don’t know. But I am confident in thinking Buck is the last thing that could help.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
His plate discipline literally could not get worse
I’m glad you’re confident. I’m not confident that Jones will ever be better than Jeff Francouer at this point, but from what I know about him, a manager who will bench him and show him up is exactly what he needs. Otherwise, I feel pretty certain he will be Francoer – another player with talent who is uncoachable.
Now, does that have to be Showalter? Hell no. But it has to get done.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Want to be really scared?
Check out his comps on B-R!
I don’t mind his “through age 23” comparisons (Paul Blair/Dave Winfield, yes sir!), but his similar batters list is atrocious. Larry Bigbie, egads!
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The Frenchy thing is exactly
the doomsday scenario I keep imagining. It’s almost too on the nose.
What the Orioles need is not necessarily going to come from any one coach. They need an organizational commitment to the importance of taking some motherfucking walks.
What did Gary Thorne say yesterday “It’s not about walks for [Juan Samuel], it’s about extra-base hits and RBIs”. I couldn’t have summed up what’s wrong with this organization any better Gary! Oh, you meant that like it was the answer?
Fuck.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
It isn't just taking walks
There needs to be an organizational commitment to understanding how baseball games are won, and to the players understanding how baseball games are won.
I dunno how accurate what Thorne said is, but if this team gives a flying fuck about RBI, well…
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
true
but I can point to the numbers, and this team has been even at baseball’s mean in walks taken in the last ten years once. That’s systemic right there.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
The most horrifying thing about that Thorne comment
Is that it was while Nick was up to bat and after Thorne pointed out that Nick hasn’t taken a walk since the all star break, because right now it’s not about walks, it’s about extra base hits. GAG. Do not mess with Nicky, Juan! I will kill you.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I say we dress Juan up like a deer and drop him off in Luke's yard
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
isn't that why you have a hitting coach?
I am confident that Buck has a decent hitting coach in his roledex. Like you said, Buck kicks his ass and the hitting coach kicks his ass for swinging at crap.
Why are you confident in that?
Has he worked out with him in the off season before and it failed?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Nevermind the fact that . . . two of his three former teams went on to win the WS in the year immediately following his departure.
Do most people view this as a negative? Seems to me that its what we need right now. A tough manager who will whip a young, talented but underachieving team into shape who can then be replaced with someone more suited to lead the team to success in the playoffs
Who knows what is going on
Showalter may be asking for conditions that he feels will ensure his success (e.g., let’s get these scouts or this director, etc.). It’s not like Angelos nor MacPhail seem prone to give away control. I just assume that MacPhail is having problems with personnel and the ability to fire/hire.
It’s not a one way street where Showalter just has to be made an offer and all is swell because he’s excited about the opportunity. I’m stating the very obvious, but maybe Showalter has issues after dealing with the front office. He’d be sane to say ‘fuck them I’m outta here’ if the Orioles don’t like the conditions he perceives as necessary for his success.
At least now we can answer that Tatum Question
since it was based on a stupidly small sample, so shall the answer.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Am I the only one
who is starting to take a shine to Mr. Mummey?
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
second
he is hitting and from what I read is playing D well. Hopefully he can take this to the next level.
Eh
A 21 year old in the New York-Penn League?
Call me when he’s playing with other people who can buy a beer.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Still
you’d rather he succeed than fail, right? Wood bats and all.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Well, sure...
…I just don’t think his success tells us much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
that's fair
but I’m starting to at least like reading about him doing a good job. He’s sort of in the same pigeonhole as Welty right now for me. I like them, I just don’t know where they’re going to go.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
well - correct me if i'm wrong
but isn’t 90% of that team over 21 and do they ever put recently drafted players on Delmarva right away? Thus he is pretty much doing what he is expected to be doing? Thus there is a pretty good chance that he can play well at the next level – potentially this year? Thus a reason to “take a shine”? Thus I like to say thus, thusly.
Well, the league average age is 21...
…so, while I’m not sure the average age of the Ironbirds, I don’t think it matters – I care about the age of the competition.
The Orioles typically have not put newly drafted players on full-season teams. But the point is that the competition isn’t great, there are few quality pitching prospects in the league, and the ones who are there are guys like Zach Von Rosenberg and Brooks Pounders – guys who are younger than the college starters that Mummey was just facing.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Thus spake Philly O's
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this in a fanshot...
but since they’re hardly read I thought I’d post it here.
I just read the article “A Perfect Game: The Metaphysical Meaning of Baseball” by David Bentley Hart. And it’s fantastic.
It’s a tongue-in-cheek article about why baseball is, philosophically speaking, the best sport ever. It’s a heavy read (lots of philosophical language) but it’s pretty great. The last three paragraphs are what make it especially great for us O’s fans.
FYI: Hart is a theologian and philosopher, but I don’t think this article crosses into the “lets not talk about religion” realm.
Here’s the link: A Perfect Game
Wow.
That is possibly the best thing I’ve read online in months. Kudos to you, sir, for the link.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
your welcome
I hoped someone from CC would appreciate it as much as I did. The last 3 paragraphs absolutely made my day.
"I could no more abandon my Orioles than I could repudiate my family, or my native heath, or my own childhood—even though I know it is a devotion that can now bring only grief." - David Bentley Hart
by Gorilla Bird on Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Took me awhile to get into it
But I’m glad I read the whole thing. Thanks for the link.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
no problem
"I could no more abandon my Orioles than I could repudiate my family, or my native heath, or my own childhood—even though I know it is a devotion that can now bring only grief." - David Bentley Hart
by Gorilla Bird on Jul 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited about surhoff getting involved
I hope they are considering him for hitting coach. He had a great attitude here as well which is something the team really needs. I still remember him crying when they announced his trade to Atlanta.
Did anyone else catch palmers reasoning for tillmans pitching last night? He was talking about how tillman has a tendency to plant his front foot too early causing his pitches to come up. Shouldn’t this be something the pitching coach recognizes early and talks to him about? As far as I could tell, the 1st time they spoke with him was after he walked the run in…
by GeoffreyA on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So rolling on your front foot too early doesn't impact your delivery?
by GeoffreyA on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not to mention brady!
Maybe he can give reimold some of his special “coming back from injuries” advice.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jul 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure...
Brady still knows where Reimold can get some Stanozanol.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So anyone have any thoughts on the trustworthiness of
minorleaguesplits.com luck and park-adjusted stats? I just noticed that Caleb Joseph and Brandon Waring are both putting up rediculous numbers with the adjusted stats, and disappointing numbers without them. Waring goes from .236/.322/.466 to .270/.352/.500 and Joseph goes from .247/.318/.401 to .310/.374/.474. Looks like a problem with minorleaguesplits to me, any thoughts?
Heh
Orioles attempt to lure Camden crowds with Jason Berken t-shirt
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Josh Bell is again not in the lineup
and will be sent down tomorrow for Mike Gonzalez.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
We're a team of retarded monkeys...
…just throwing shit.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
its obvious
they just don’t like josh bell. They dont think hes a real prospect worth actual development. he’s – if I can be alarmist – Justin Turner to them.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
So of the two...
Steve Johnson is the prospect?
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
you wonder how much they like either one of them
since they thought enough of Pedro Florimon to protect him from the Rule V draft but not Johnson. Of course, I’m not a huge Johnson fan myself (bullpen arm ala Jim Johnson or Jason Berken tops).
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
I don’t think that decision is a reflection of who like more but rather who they thought is more likely to stick on a 25 man roster all season.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Pedro Florimon, really?
REALLY?!
I don’t even have that much of an issue with the Rule V thing, especially since it worked out as best as it could have for B’more. But Pedro Florimon?
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Florimon as a position player is much more likely to stick than a pitcher. A position player can rot on the bench. You can’t let a BP spot rot.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
case in point: Josh Bell
rotting on the bench, developing, HELPING THE TEAM
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
I don't even think that's true
I think they think this is good for him – let’s him see what the big leagues are about.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
uh...sitting around not doing anything?
Come on. They’re dumb. But they aren’t that dumb.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
I don't know....
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Yeah, I think that's wildly optimistic at this point
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I refuse to believe it
that just…if its true, just think of the implications of that. But then, they never called up Jake Arrieta prematurely like that, and they could very easily have done so and just stuck him in middle relief for last August.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
I've been thinking about it
Even since Melewski’s Stockstill interview, I’ve been thinking about it.
It makes even less sense if they don’t like Bell. If they don’t like Bell, then the right move is to let him pile up numbers so they can move him.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well, see, failing to do that
that’s the level of dumb I expect. But thinking its an important developmental step to learn what it’s like to ride on private jets instead of busses?
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Well, I don't think they think that is what will help
I think they think that working with the ML coaches, working in the cage with the guys, stuff like that. Seeing how he handles major league pitchers, getting a better idea of what adjustments he has to make, etc.
And I really think that they are just terrible at managing the 40-man.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Totally random...
Does anyone have one of the Reimold bobbles from this year laying around? I have a thing for completing sets and my AJ and Nick bobbles are going look awful lonely without Nolan to keep them company.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 20, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
I have the same problem
only i’m missing an AJ. It’s quite sad having Nolan looking at me from the shelf by his lonesome wondering what went wrong…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm thinking of calling up my ticket rep...
to see if the O’s can track one down for me. Fan assistance actually suggested that.
I had a ticket to go to the game in May to get said bobble, but a week prior I got downsized and it happened to coincide with my wifey going to L.A. for business. When she suggested I get a last-minute ticket, I had to work really hard to keep myself from saying “But what about the bobblehead!?” I did enjoy L.A. though!
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Mike Gonzalez
Last night when Alfredo Simon came into the game, they were talking about what a good pickup he turned out being. They got him for basically nothing and he’s come up from the minors to prove he can handle the closer role and get guys out and blah blah blah.
Now, I’m not sold on Simon, not in the least, but the entire thing just made me so angry about Mike Gonzalez. If you can go out and find someone like Alfredo Simon, why on earth do you sign Gonzo in the first place?
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Well, that's why some of us were so pissed at the Gonzo signing
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, I know
It just seems so ridiculous to me that they are acting like some kind of light bulb went off with Simon. Sheesh. I’m very bitter today.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I've come to the conclusion that Angelos is just a fucking moron
I thought he must have had some sense to make enough money to buy the team in the first place, but how hard is it to sue Philip Morris and win? This is the guy who ran for the MD legislature three times and lost three times.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
At the time he did it I'd say that it was probably pretty hard.
Going toe-to-toe with the tobacco industry is never an easy feat.
It’s just clear that the skill and intellect required to accomplish that legal victory has absolutely nothing to do with the skill and intellect required to evaluate the evaluators of baseball talent. Hence why before MacPhail came along we had basically nine years or so of people who were blatantly incompetent in that role.
And when it comes to free agent signings I’m not sure MacPhail gets a pass either.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem that I have is his lack of business acumen
I’d expect a person who made a huge fortune in business to have some clue as to how to run a business, maximize his assets, spend money efficiently.
If I had assets worth over 100 million, I’d be really pissed to see them squandered by the Orioles over and over again. And I’d do something about it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't know
if I consider suing the tobacco industry to be “business.” There’s no cash flow, P&L, management, etc.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Eh it's a type of serious business
I’m just not sure people who are good at that are necessarily good at running normal businesses.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Though I'd argue...
a baseball team is not a normal business.
Angelos has been annoying at times, but I still loathe him less than the guy that’s killing my football team.
I think one thing is obvious from the past decade or so of failure: the way the game is won by the organization has changed dramatically – and we’re only now realizing it.
Consider that Pat Gillick and Davey Johnson worked with veteran players (several acquired at the deadline) on those good teams of the late 90s. Hell, this was a veritable over-the-hill gang at that time. I think that aside from Dave Delucci, there weren’t many “young guys” contributing on those teams.
When Davey/Pat left, the wheels fell off and there was nothing in the farm system. Hammonds was a bust, Mussina left for NY, etc. I’d be really interested in finding out what exactly Gillick was doing with the draft during his tenure.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I just went through the three...
Gillick led drafts, and shit they were bad. Like, awful. Although one pick in 1998 was pretty good. I completely did not know that the Orioles drafted Cliff Lee in the 20th round that year.
He didn’t sign of course, so it doesn’t matter, but damn they should have gone over-slot on him!
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't sheesing you, btw
I was sheeshing the Orioles.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
some day
they might discover that they were already doing a good job of making closers. George Sherrill, hello? hello? We turned a LOOGY into a closer into a prized possession highly sought after. And then proved that, if we were in their shoes, we totally would have traded Bell and Johnson for FlatBrim.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Tillman write up on FanGraphs
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Lou Piniella just announced he will retire from managing at the end of the season
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Just got my Inception OST
Good stuff
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
You can get a nice live version...
…of the Edith Piaf song here.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
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