Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jul 26, 2010 9:03 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of yesterday's loss can be found at orioles.com, baltimoresun.com, MASNsports (with post-game Juan), and TwinCities.com.
WNST Audio Vault - Stacey talks Orioles
and Drew tries to get Stacey to like the Australian intern. I don't think he succeeded.
Mr. Miller Goes to Cooperstown - Maryland Morning with Sheilah Kast
An audio interview with Jon Miller covering his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, his time with the Orioles, and his thoughts on Peter Angelos.
Does Roberts' return matter?
"Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts has finally made his long-awaited return to the major league club, but does it really matter?" Yes, yes it does. These kids need to see a professional go out there, get his uniform dirty every day, and make the right play every time. There's still some importance in that.
Orioles Insider: Tatum demoted; Matusz reaction: "Everyone's going to feel this one"
"He has done everything plus more. He has done everything expected to stay here and be here and that’s why it is tough," said starter Brian Matusz. "I think everyone’s going to feel this one. It’s really unfortunate because he deserves to stay here."
Orioles Insider: MacPhail's slow-developing market may have gotten a push
"It’s kind of a slow-developing market at this point," MacPhail said. "My own impression is that we have some of these big-target starting pitchers out there who probably have a lot of teams focused on whether they are in or out of that picture or not before they move on to other targets. I think that might be slowing down our market a little."
Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays | MLB.com Preview
"Every outing -- I know sometimes the line doesn't show it -- I feel like I am a pitch away or one little break away from having really solid outings," said Brad Bergesen. "I am confident that I am going to keep plugging along and look at those things and keep battling." And Charlie Brown just KNEW this would be the time he'd kick that football, too.
Returning Orioles Brian Roberts, Luke Scott and Michael Gonzalez might be team's best shot at salvage attempt - baltimoresun.com
We're getting closer to fielding the team the O's expected at the beginning of the year.
AROUND THE MAJORS
ESPN - What's lurking in your stadium food? - E-ticket
Baltimore's two pro palaces fare pretty well in the report.
Angels acquire Dan Haren from the Diamondbacks for Joe Saunders and three prospects | HardballTalk
The Diamondbacks traded Dan Haren to the Angels for Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named later. And a pack of gum. And three used batting practice balls. The Diamondbacks wanted four, but the Angels held firm at three.
The Hall of Fame Hats Quiz - Mental Floss
A dozen or so Hall of Famers. Which cap are they wearing?
IN THE MINORS
Norfolk lost 3-2 despite the Tides collecting nine hits, with Josh Bell going 2-for-3 and Robert Andino going 2-for-5. Our friend Frank Mata took the loss in relief.
Bowie won 4-3 as six of the nine starters collected hits. Steve Johnson went 6.0 IP with just 2 ER for the win.
Frederick lost 7-1 as they scored their only run on Sunday night in the first inning . The Pelicans, who entered the game hitting a Carolina League-worst .230 as a team, totaled 13 hits in the rout of the Keys. Of course they did.
Shorebirds Drop BlueClaws 3-1 as newly-promoted first baseman Mike Flacco went 3-for-3 with a walk while Brian Conley hit his third home run in four games.
Aberdeen won 5-2 behind six shutout innings from Scott Copeland. T.R. Keating pitched the final 1.2 innings to earn his third save of the year.
Bluefield lost 18-9 as the Orioles burned through six relief pitchers just to complete the game.
and the GCL Orioles won 9-0 as all but one starter collected at least one hit.
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I got 12 out of 14 on the HOF Hat quiz
Only Winfield & Catfish Hunter tripped me up.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
only 10 for me
i suck
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I was 12 for 14
Catfish got me, too. Forgot the other one I missed.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
indeed it was
I thought they hit the cowboy imagery a little bit harder than their usual subtle wit, but they made up for that with so, so, so many other things.
Loved this: “The Winner of the Ham War is You!”
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
I started to watch Season 1 and I can't get into it.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
why the hell was frank mata even on this team?
he sucks at AAA…..who thought he’d be any better at the MLB level?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
hahahahah
good one
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a warm body who was on the 40 man roster.
Luis Lebron isn’t ready yet. And he had a 3.52 ERA at Norfolk. That’s not great, but it’s not like he sucked.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Lebron had Tommy John surgery..
….he’s out for the year.
Mata wasn’t on the 40-man; he was placed on it specifically to promote him from Norfolk. And he was brought up because he throws really hard, had some success, and wasn’t worse than our other options.
Why he’s still on the 40-man is more of a mystery.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
ah thanks for the clarification
in any case, there aren’t really a stand out choice in AAA. I personally would have called up Gabino, but I’m not going to get pissed about it.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
james explained my quandry much better than i did
my comment should have read “who thought he needed to be placed on the 40 man”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Stacey
Which OH article were you guys talking about? I never go over there, and a quick scan of their home page doesn’t show me anything that sounds like what you guys were discussing.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Tony Pente wrote this long, long article about the woes of the Orioles
http://www.orioleshangout.com/ttakeArticle.asp?ID=2696&page=ttake
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Wow, did he take forever to say nothing new
Now I remember why I never both to even glance at their home page, let alone the forums.
Of course, I wouldn’t last 10 minutes at that place.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Yeah, wow
that is a whole lot of nothing in that article. MacPhail is conservative to a fault. There. I just saved all of you twenty minutes or your life.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Well, not me....
because I actually read the damn thing, waiting for him to say something.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
yeah, me too
a friend of mine pointed me out that Pente had been hyping up this article that would lay out how very bad the warehouse is from an insider’s point of view. That things were “way worse than we ever thought possible”…if this was it, consider me disappointed to say the least.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Did he write ONE thing that we didn't already know?
Seriously, where’s the insider stuff?
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
thanks for this info after i started reading it
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
MacPhail is conservative to a fault.
I actually agree with that. Very much.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
he saved you 10 minutes though
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
It is worth it to assemble all of that in one linkable article.
I don’t know this dude, and I know that his site is really unpopular here (and I’m not a huge fan myself, although I’ve never seen much of it). But I think there is value in having one single article that documents a lot of stuff that people knew already.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Then don't hype it as some massive news event
with new, stunning, insider information! Because it’s not. And that’s apparently how he hyped it.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Fair enough
I don’t know anything about that angle of it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
that was my impression
but perhaps he’d have a different take on it. I don’t spend any time at all on OH, so I’m not the best source for information about them, honestly.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
It's funny because a friend of mine is an OH regular
and he’s been talking about this story that was going to be released with all of the sordid details and all of that, he got me so interested that I went over and read the threads leading up to it, and they were acting like it was going to just shock the pants off of everyone. So when it came out I read it and thought basically what all of you said. A well documented account of our rotten franchise, but nothing that I couldn’t have already guessed. And I never heard a peep about it after it posted anywhere except on OH and on WNST.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You didn't hear a peep
because it has exactly ZERO new information.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Maybe it has new information for some people
You know, people who don’t already follow the team really closely like us.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Do those people really go to OH?
For his audience? ZERO.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Hell if I know.
Maybe he’s trying to get himself lodged into Google searches so he’ll get more traffic.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
NONE of their stuff comes up on a Google News search.
Trust me. I run one every morning for BD, and I’ve yet to see an OH article appear.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
OH is an interesting place
As a staff they have regular press credentials and someone who covers the team and writes post games daily (Paul Folkemer, who is a great writer), and they have people who cover the minor league teams as well. Tony Pente is well connected with the Orioles management, and their forums are the largest single place where O’s fans gather online. And yet, the only way to find any of their information is to go to the site (which is poorly designed and hard to navigate) and explore. They don’t turn up in google searches, they have a twitter feed but it’s not updated regularly, they don’t ever collaborate with other sites, they’re just very isolated.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
they have good insight into draft signings/minor league happenings
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
James F is giving me what I need on that front.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
That's what she said
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Glad you're pleased
FWIW, though, they offer some things that I can’t or don’t. What I do isn’t the same as what Jordan does at Orioles Prospects, or what they do at Camden Depot, or what I’ve seen OH do either (although I visit OH a lot less than the other two).
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
They don't play well with others
and their website design screams 1997. Wow, you’re giving me all kinds of reasons to keep avoiding the place.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
And why the hell do THEY get press creds
and everyone else has to wait for restricted blogger nights access? That’s some BS right there.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
i atkins'd it
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I’m clearly the minority here, but now that I’ve read it, I think it was pretty good. Maybe not a masterpiece of investigative journalism, but nothing to be ashamed of either.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
In my experience
and I mean no offense to anyone here, it’s just an observation, but it’s the kneejerk reaction to downplay anything produced by the OH. I understand why, they rub a lot of people the wrong way for a number of good reasons.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
It's just that in this case
apparently Tony was screaming “WAIT FOR IT! JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT I WROTE!” and there’s no there there.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I understand why, they rub a lot of people the wrong way for a number of good reasons.
They make you PAY to post! That’s enough for me right there.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
That's some bullshit, right there.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I'll join you for that, James.
I just took a look as well, and there’s plenty in there that I didn’t already know, and other things that I think are interesting just to have it all in one place to synthesize.
One of the more interesting parts to me was that Joe Nathan could have been in the Ponson trade to the Giants – definitely didn’t know that one.
This paragraph was also very interesting:
Although the exact story remains a close secret, multiple sources indicate that Stockstill and Bernhardt once got some people close to ownership out of some trouble in the Dominican and have job security due to this fact.
I mean, we joke a lot about people having photographs and that’s why they don’t get fired but I guess in some cases that isn’t a joke.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Nestor was telling me about that this morning
Although I’m not really comfortable putting what he told me on here.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
oh, Stacey...
how can I be friends with someone who is a Nestor confidant?
I can't describe the way it feels...
If thats true, it could bring the whole site down
we would have to bring back O’sGirl to lead the revolution.
We weren't gossiping over cosmos
I ran into him on my way out of the studio and we chatted for a bit. I gotta make nice with people sometimes. We can’t all be surly malcontents.
Besides, you luv me.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I like being surly!
In all honesty, I thought Nestor was quite charismatic in real life, even though all he wanted to tell me about was Ft. Lauderdale and how important RBI are.
Doesn’t mean I like his professional demeanor, though, nor approve of others who saddle up with him.
This is why I could never run a big important Orioles blog.
I can't describe the way it feels...
and my lawyers have advised me
neither to confirm nor deny any and all allegations involving the word “luv”.
I can't describe the way it feels...
Surely you don't think I'm saddled up with Nestor
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
of ccourse not
but I will bust your balls (ahem) for going on WNST again.
I can't describe the way it feels...
fair enough
although my lawyer has advised me to neither confirm nor deny any and all allegations involving the word “balls.”
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
So Stacey is chilling with Nestor now, and you both have lawyers without ever consulting me?
I’m very disappointed in the lack of Camden Chat loyalty on display today.
Now son, this has nothing to do with you
you’ll get to have two Christmases from now on!
I can't describe the way it feels...
Don't feel bad. Shit, I got left completely out of the loop
Y’all found out she was going on today before I did, since my lazy ass didn’t wake up until 8:30.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
She told us on Saturday.
Maybe that was while you had gotten up.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's when I was sitting between you and jobe
So maybe I only told you guys. Duck was way down on the other end and only talked to me when he wanted me to go buy him an italian sausage.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
As if there would ever be another reason to talk to you...
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
BANNED
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Yet my name is still on the bottom of the page...
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I realized I'd have to start doing bird droppings
So I figured you can stick around for awhile.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
OT, but...
Someone actually sponsors Ponson’s BR page. And their caption reads “Oh Yeah!” WTH?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops....it actually reads "Oh definately!", but the point still stands.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I've only glanced at the article
But it looks fine. It’s detailed and packed with information. If the author is attempting to explain why the Orioles have sucked, it’s nothing earth shattering. Frankly, it’s stuff we’ve discussing here for awhile. I would only that the another major reason why we’ve sucked and won’t get past they Red Sox and Rays is that their front office brain talent far exceeds ours. Epstein and Friedman are extremely bright and know how evaluate talent using innovative techniques. In terms of assessing, acquiring, and maximizing player value, Andy can’t hold their jock straps in this regard.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
just think
we could have had dan haren for guts and a couple of okay prospects. not that we need him, but still…….
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Well, except that Arizona seems to be obsessed with left-handers
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Probably could have had him for Matusz straight up
AZ probably would have thrown in Reynolds too.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
ugh
i’d have hated to make that trade tho.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take that deal everyday of the week
A legit middle of order right handed bat and a proven #1 pitcher, both under control for a number of years going forward for 1 of our young arms. Sign me up.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yea i mean, i'd make the deal too
but its matusz. i’d hate to deal him away.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it wouldn't have made sense for us
Arizona really screwed the pooch on this one, and I’m sure part of that was because they made the Haren deal in a way that limited his market to a preposterous extent. Having one of the top 15 pitchers in the league, signed to a reasonable deal through the 2013 season, but dealing him at the deadline when a lot of teams weren’t going to bid because their seasons this year are already done… well, I don’t think that was wise. They also clearly wanted to dump the payroll more than they wanted to get the best return, and other teams knew that. And they seem to be a team that fixates on a few particular guys – I don’t know why they seemed to want Ivan Nova from the Yankees so much, or why they seem to think Tyler Skaggs (who is a nice prospect) is a sure ace.
Over the last few seasons, they have traded away Carlos Quentin, Chris Carter, Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Daniel Schlereth, Matt Scherzer, and Dan Haren and what they have to show for it is Ian Kennedy, Edwin Jackson, Joe Saunders, Tyler Skaggs and Pat Corbin. Amazing.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It was a really weird deal all around
I don’t know why they couldn’t have waited until the off season, unless it was really about two months of his salary, which is just silly.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Well, clearly, some kind of weird shit is up with that team...
…I mean, they fired a GM who they thought so highly of they gave him equity in the team midseason.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
prepared to say
that we’re better off than them?
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Right now, probably...
…before the offseason, I would have said no way. They have Upton, and Reynolds, and Drew, and two above average catchers, and they had a great 2009 draft.
But their participation in the Granderson trade was a disaster, which is nothing compared to how badly they fucked up in the draft this year, and this move now is crazy. Word is they are trying to get their payroll down to $60M. And they have given away a boatload of talent for not much.
They are pretty much fucked. If I was them, at this point, I’d look to deal Upton. Doesn’t make any sense not to.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
yessss
finally a team we’re less fucked than! (okay yea…the nationals and astros are close too)
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nats aren't in that bad of shape
Zimmerman is a star. Strasburg is Strasburg. Jordan Zimmerman is looking good in his rehab. Josh Willingham is a nice bat. Harper and Cole could be one of the best two players taken in the same draft class ever.
If they can get something really good for Adam Dunn and Matt Capps, this could be a nice team.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
it looks to me
like they’re going to hold onto Dunn because of his clubhouse chemistry or whatever. Maybe that extra 2 or 3 wins is really, really important to the growth of Strasburg or something.
Hang onto me, baby, and let's hope the roof stays on
Eh
I mean, there are two ways of looking at this. The first is that all this “holding on to Dunn” stuff is just to keep his price high, so they don’t end up like the D-backs. The other is that Dunn is a good hitter who helps put people in the seats, and that is more important to the Nats than the value of a full rebuild.
I think they deal him, because I think Dunn overestimates his value on the market by a considerable margin. I think Dunn is a player who the market undervalues, but that Dunn doesn’t seem to realize this. I suspect he wants Ryan Howard money.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
which is fair,
because the difference between Adam Dunn and Ryan Howard is Chase Utley.
If the Nats are trying to hold him to keep his price high, then good for them. The reports from the Chicago media, if you believe them, were that they wanted Gordon Beckham for Dunn straight up (insert laughter here). Which means that they are badly overestimating Dunn and damaging their team in the process.
Well, the problem here is that Ryan Howard isn't worth his money...
…and every other team in baseball knows it. There probably isn’t a single GM out there who would sign Howard to that extension.
Dunn will go to free agency again, and I think once again he’ll end up waiting around and taking a much smaller deal than he wants. It is one of those weird things, I think, where baseball teams undervalue Dunn while Dunn overvalues himself.
Meanwhile, if I was the Nats, I’d want Beckham too, and I’d do everything I could to get him. Maybe they end up having to settle for a lesser package built around Vicedio, but I don’t love Daniel Hudson and I don’t think the Nats do either.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Of course you want Beckham,
even tho he’s struggling right now, he’s a definite blue-chipper. No way in Hell you get him for 2 months of Adam Dunn, the Chicago newspaper said that Kenny Williams was actually insulted by the implication he would make that trade.
And yeah, Howard isn’t anywhere near worth his money, he’s getting paid for his RBI’s because Chase Utley and Jayson Werth are always on-base in front of him. When you consider that Howard has a horrible platoon split, and only decent walk rates, and I would rather have Adam Dunn.
If this is still true...
I think they deal him, because I think Dunn overestimates his value on the market by a considerable margin.
then Dunn learned nothing from his last trip on the FA merry-go-round, which is what landed him in Washington to begin with.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure they call him Big Donkey...
..in part because he’s very open-minded.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, I heard Dunn is looking for 4 years, $60M. He’s highly delusional or a moron if he believes he’ll land anything close to that.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
It's tough..
he has a ton of power (which the Orioles have lacked, obv), he walks a lot (which the Orioles don’t really do), but K’s a ton and is pretty ineffectual on defense (qualities we posess in abundance). I think he’d be a great fit here (as a DH/1B), but I can’t get a read on a fair price.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
$25 for 3 years in a heartbeat.
Hell of a lot better than anything else on our horizon, and there’s not much better available on the FA market.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I just don't know in a vacuum
It isn’t the money but the pick that would bother me. I don’t see how giving up the first pick of the second round for a bat over the next three years is worth it.
Plus, I’m warming to the notion that we’re going to get Prince.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Plus, I’m warming to the notion that we’re going to get Prince.
Have i missed some bit of news? or are you just warming to the possibility?
I just think it makes too much sense
We need a big bopper. Prince is a great hitter who wants a big contract and will still be very young when he hits FA. And everyone in baseball seems to think he’s not worth it because of his body.
So, I think we should be the team to pay him what he’s worth. He won’t cost a huge premium because his demand is depressed. He’ll be young and worth giving a long-term deal.
The O’s will probably fuck it up, but he’s who I’d target.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm a certified Dunn honk, but if we could get Prince I'd rather have that for sure
Losing a high 2nd round pick 2 years in a row is not good for the minor league system.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not too mention
He is going to get 20-25MM per on the open market.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It would cost the O's a couple of young pitchers which we seem to have a plethora of. That is what the Brewers need.
the bigger concern about trading for Prince would be the fact that he is Boras client, meaning he will def. be going into free agency .
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We would never trade for him.
If AM targets Fielder it will be in free agency.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He’s a FA after next season. We aren’t about to dump a bunch of quality guys for 1.5 years of Prince when we obviously arent that close.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
If it takes a Texiera contract to sign Prince
Forget about him. He isn’t going to age well at all.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
His dad was pretty good through 32
Mo Vaughn was good through 34. He’s 26, and he’ll be 28 when he’s a FA. I wouldn’t mind a 4-6 year contract. I’d say no on a Tex- like 8 years though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I would love to have him as a DH. He fit the classic old player skills profile so I wouldn’t want him for anything longer than 2 years. DHs typically don’t make a lot. I would take him for 2 years, $18 to $20M.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Pretty much...
a redux of his current deal. The Nationals paid him $8m last year and are paying him $12m this year, which sounds about right.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i generally agree with you
i’ve been fairly supportive of the nats in these parts, usually taking flak for it. i think they’re getting much, much better, but in reality, their defense is absolutely awful, they have issues scoring runs, and the pitching is far too inconsistent. they are getting much better and will continue to improve if they find some pitching help.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nats are supposedly interested in Edwin Jackson
not sure if the constitutes ‘pitching help’ or not , but the kid does have an immense amount of talent and the Haren deal demonstrates that it probably wouldn’t take too much to get him.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
who would they trade for him though?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No idea. My knowledge of the Nats farm system is nearly nil.
But at the end of a Fangraphs analysis of the Haren trade they noted that the D-Backs are showing a propensity for acquiring young (and in particular left handed) pitching. The rationale being that since the ballpark is so hitter friendly, the offense will do fine with who ever they plug in around Upton, Drew, Reynolds, etc.
Jackson is signed through next year at 8.35 mil. So I guess it would depend on how badly the D-Backs want to shed that from payroll.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Kobernus maybe?
I don’t know. I can’t see Jackson commanding much of a return, if this is all they got for Haren.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
yeah, after they gave up Scherzer for him.
Baseball teams are dumb.
he has an immense amount of talent,
hes also 27 with an FIP of 4.31 in the NL West. Adding him would be fairly pointless, he’s pretty much league average in his prime because he has no control.
Well, I think it depends on how you want to look at it
Being lucky isn’t the same as being good, and the Nats have been a lot more lucky than good.
But since the Nats are a loser right now, I don’t think about their present issues as much as I think about their assets. Zimmerman is a fantastic asset and a hometown player. Stras is Stras. They have some good young players like Jordan Zimmerman and cheap assets like Ian Desmond, Drew Storen and Nyjer Morgan. And they have some decent prospects like Espinosa and Derek Norris, made a respectable signing in Yuniesky Maya and had a great draft if they sign everyone.
I don’t think they are a very well-run club, and if it wasn’t for having #1 overall picks, I think they would be in a lot of trouble. But if they became a well-run club, they’d be in a strong position.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
agree with you totally about that,
they had Strasburg and Harper fall into their laps, although they were at least smart enough to pick and sign them.
I remember...
listening to DC sports radio right before the Strasburg draft, when Boras was floating that $30-50 million number around. I don’t know which one of the hosts actually suggested that the Nats not take him.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea...no point in us renting anyone other than to say we finally have a decent starting pitcher
our luck, he wouldn’t be any good when he got here anyways. arizona totally got fleeced here.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, three more seasons after this one..
….would have made him not a rental. And you could always have done what the Mariners did with Cliff Lee and turned around and flipped him for a better package.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
true....reading fail on the "signed thru 2012" part
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, d-backs suck with trades
and none of them were really defendable at the time they were made either.
From Twitter
SI_JonHeyman 1:39pm via mobile web
Angelos doesn’t want to trade with yankees apparently, limiting wigginton options
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Uh, what?
I can understand not wanting to give them any prospects, but… it’s Wiggy. For two months.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I guess the question is...
why actively rule out a bidder? Especially a team known to really go after a guy that they have interest in.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For a trade that would have serious long term ramifications, I'd avoid dealing with a team you're actively competing with
Just to avoid the potential of a bad move haunting you in the future. But when the downside is that Wiggy in pinstripes could knock us down from a 58 win team to 56 wins over the next two months, I dont see a problem if we like what the yankees are offering in return.
So, that means Wiggy is getting some pinstripes?
I've always said that one of the best ways to build a winner is to emulate another legendary success story, you know, like the Cubs. -- Dan Connolly
with wigginton
i’d almost rather he go to new york. Then he either continues to flail about helplessly (win!) or he shows off how a good hitting coach can really make a hitter and teaches the Orioles how to do it (win!)
I can't describe the way it feels...
Well, it is Jon Heyman so take it with a grain of salt
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? The Orioles were totally "laying in the weeds" for Matt Holliday!
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure wish he'd had those kinds of scruples when it came to the Yankees...
…before we took Jaret fucking Wright off their hands.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
but jaret wright was good!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people I know on another Internet board I visit are actually badmouthing Jon Miller.
Random fans of other teams judging him solely based on his ESPN Sunday Night work with Joe Morgan. “He should be good enough to squash how bad Joe Morgan is.”
I really don’t think these guys appreciate the difference between broadcasting on TV and broadcasting on the radio, and the difference between broadcasting on ESPN vs. not broadcasting on ESPN.
So basically it’s me and some Giants fans who are defending Jon Miller’s honor. Fuck the haters, I wish he was back here.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
You should link them to that video on You Tube
Of Jon Miller and Joe Angel. It’s brilliant. And it makes me sad.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Man, I wish those two were together in Baltimore.
It would make even this season palatable.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Luke named AL Player of the Week
Luke Scott was named the American League’s Player of the Week.
Scott, who was activated from the disabled list at the start of the week, led the league with four home runs and
batted .481 (13-for-27). He finished second in the league with a 1.037 slugging percentage and added three doubles, eight RBIs and six runs scored.
Scott hit safely in each of his seven games during the week and recorded five multi-hit games.
Scott has raised his average to .296 with 16 homers and 38 RBIs. He’s carrying a 10-game hitting streak into tonight’s game in Toronto.
This is Scott’s third career weekly award, the most recent coming on June 1, 2009.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
trade him right now
before he goes on a cold streak! the phrase “drop it like its hot” comes to mind…….
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Stacey, this is the first time I actually listened to one of your WNST appearances.
Are they always that sexist? Yowza. Trying to set you up with the Australian intern sounded pretty awkward, and then Lou from Phoenix greets you with, “She sounds like a pearl necklace girl.”
I also thought it was weird how interested they were in Matusz’s love life. I’m only six minutes into “part 2” so there’s a lot more potential for weirdness too.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
Well, to be fair, we all know girls don't really like sports
Stacey’s just in it to hang out such attractive, well-balanced gentlemen like ourselves.
ahahaahahah
That was the first time they’d ever done anything like that with the australian (who isn’t australian, I don’t think), but yeah that’s kind of how it goes. They don’t want to let anyone forget that I’m a girl even for a second.
As for the pearl necklace comment, you should have seen Drew’s face when Lou said that. It was hysterical.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Pearl Necklace?
I don’t get…. ooooooohhhh.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You know...
as much as I’d never of expected it, that movie has held up pretty well.
Boo that man! Boo!
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some bullshit, right there
Stacey, you should have walked out. Seriously.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
That, or...
go into a profanity-laden tirade they would be force to dump.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
That's not what that guy meant
It was just some old guy. One of their sponsors is a jewelry store and after Drew read the ad he asked me what kind of jewelry I like, then that guy called in and said that. I took it to mean he thought I was classy. Which, I totally am. And Drew was really reacting to my face because I thought it was hilarious.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I think everyone who runs an Orioles blog got an "apologist of the year" nomination except for you.
Why they no respect you?
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, man
I guess because they know I don’t give a shit.
That’s the part of the show I was most worried about. When I told them I’d come on I totally forgot that they even did that, and then when I was driving up there I had them on the radio and heard them talk about it and I had a mild panic attack.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You sidestepped it pretty nicely.
Voting for Forrester means you didn’t have to piss off anybody else that you didn’t really know. Haha.
I think in those shoes I would have voted for Melewski. Except I might have wussed out and hemmed and hawed.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh as soon as I found out he was a nominee I knew who I was voting for
It was the only option.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Melewski doesn't call anyone out
but man, dude creates a TON of content. And he’s numbers-based when he wants to be. I respect what Steve does. He’s almost in a Catch-22 with his employer being who it is, but I’m sure it beats being unemployed.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
not to mention...
he does real yeoman’s work responding to his commenters. I mean, he really seems to post a lot of replies…not just defensive smackdowns, either.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On MLB At-Bat.
I think Lidge is scarier than Sherrill, honestly.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
If it weren't for 2008, you could say that homer destroyed his career.
I’m still not sure that it didn’t.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the O's could interest the Phils in a reliever with closing experience in the NL East?
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They're getting off easy only paying him 2.5 mil compared to the 7+mil he fleeced from the O's last year.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Adam Dunn
I love this story, although it clearly exemplifies everything wrong with Adam Dunn. He obviously hates baseball.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'm a Skins fan, but...
man, this is not good
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Here let me help
Luke is up.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
The rest of the bums are down. And Tater has a bus ticket.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
depressing
The most depressing part of Roch’s article on the Kids is his recitation of Matt Hobgood’s stats. One must remember that he was the 4th pick overall. So far, MH has done nothing to suggest that he is a top tier talent. None of the reports I have seen praises his arm, or his stuff, or one of his pitches as plus.
Another depressing aspect of this season is that the Pirates are almost as bad. The Os are only 3 games “ahead” of them. I am afraid that we will lose the number one pick.
5th overall
FWIW, Hobgoblin has a plus curve.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
you know, i'm so tired of talking about the #1 pick
that i don’t even want it anymore. screw the draft, i want to be able to say we’re better than the pirates.
by kba26 on Jul 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised
the Orioles didn’t give another outfielder a day off to wedge Scorey back into the lineup tonight.
I can't describe the way it feels...
They are just giving him a day off since Bergy is starting
Why waste Scorey’s magic when you don’t have a chance to lose by less than five anyways?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm pretty sure Luke needs a day off
He’s tired from getting all those hits. Corey for DH!
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You know who likes to play? Miggi
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'll bet he'd love a chance to play in October
Let’s make it happen.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Quick Blurb just went up on HBT about Showalter
Speculation that the deals all but done, but Showalter wants time to prepare and would rather not take over immediately so they’re pretending to still negotiate in order to not undermine Samuel.
I love Calcaterra...
…but man, if I worked for NBC, I wouldn’t end my posts with “This is just speculation on my part, of course, but crazier things have happened.”
Or maybe I would. Who knows what his bosses want from him.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
If I worked for NBC or ESPN
I’d end my posts with, “Stats, man. They’re ridiculous.” Every time.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
this makes sense...
I figure he probably wants his own staff and some guys on his wishlist are tied up w/ other orgs.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Jul 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some things from glancing at our team's xFIP
Jim Johnson pitched better this season than Jason Berken.
Jake Arrieta is .69 runs worse than Chris Tillman.
Mark Hendrickson has been more effective that Will Ohman.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I kind of forgot that JJ existed
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
He pitched really well this season
We probably didn’t realize it because his ERA was so awful, but he had a .434 BABIP and a 68.2% strand rate. He got boned.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well, as well as you can pitch in 10 games
So, yeah, maybe it doesn’t mean anything in his case.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
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