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Toronto Blue Jays short stop Yunel Escobar,left, tags out Baltimore Orioles Jake Fox at second base  during the eighth inning of American league baseball action in Toronto on Monday, July 26, 2010. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Chris Young)

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about 1 month ago: Toronto Blue Jays short stop Yunel Escobar,left, tags out Baltimore Orioles Jake Fox at second base during the eighth inning of American league baseball action in Toronto on Monday, July 26, 2010. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Chris Young)

I have no idea why I labeled this Saturday Bird Droppings the first time.Sorry about that, Twitter people!

Recaps of last night's loss can be found at baltimoresun.comMASNsports (with post-game Juan), and Bluebird Banter.

Wieters' two blasts can't carry Orioles | orioles.com: News
"The young guys have to step it up, because they know what our needs are, and take it from there," said Juan Samuel. Remember when the starters were doing well in April and May and we wondered how bad things would get if the team continued to not hit AND the pitching fell off? Ladies and gentlemen, your 2010 Baltimore Orioles.

Orioles notebook: Ty Wigginton's suspension reduced from three games to two
Orioles first baseman Ty Wigginton began serving his suspension Monday night after Major League Baseball agreed to shorten his ban from three games to two.

Wigginton ruling forces lineup shuffle | orioles.com: News
"Minutes before Monday night's contest against the Blue Jays in Toronto, Orioles interim manager Juan Samuel sat in the dugout with two lineups in his hand: The original, and a contingency lineup." Because there's no way the Commissioner's Office could have handled this at say, 5:00 instead of 6:30.

Luke Scott of the Baltimore Orioles named American League Player of the Week | MLB.com: Official Info
I'm not using the official name of the award because it's stupid. Congrats, Luke.

Orioles' Johnson close to rehab assignment | pressconnects.com | Press & Sun-Bulletin
Jim Johnson is just about ready to begin a rehab assignment after being out two months with a strained ulnar collateral ligament.

Orioles Insider: Random O's news, notes and numbers
"If Britton, who will likely be on an innings limit and shut down before season’s end, either is scratched or has an abbreviated outing, I think that’s a good sign that he’ll be pitching on Saturday in Kansas City opposite Zack Greinke." Yeah, let's rush yet another minor league pitcher!

Orioles Insider: Orioles manager won't change through trade deadline (with Showalter quote)
The Orioles will continue without a permanent manager until at least after the non-waiver trade deadline passes on Saturday, no matter how the team fares on its current road trip.

The Orioles continue to not hire Buck Showalter. Is it by design? | HardballTalk
So, maybe all this is a ruse to let Buck do his prep work?

Arrieta’s Early Struggles | FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball
Jake Arrieta is having a hard time getting batters to swing and miss.

Star-divide

 

AROUND THE LEAGUE

Matt Garza's no-hit gem worth celebrating -- not overanalyzing - Cliff Corcoran - SI.com
If anyone on the Rays was going to throw a no-no, you'd figure it had to be Matt Garza.

Pie gone awry: Marlins' Coghlin tears up knee creaming teammate - Big League Stew
"We have our first injury caused by someone giving a shaving cream pie to the face. Florida Marlins outfielder Chris Coghlan tore meniscus in his left knee, and is headed for the disabled list, after he face-pied teammate Wes Helms during a TV interview Sunday." Can't believe it didn't happen to an O's outfielder first. But then again, they don't get as much practice.

Nats ratings heading north
Nats ratings are up 139 percent on MASN and MASN2, and the team’s 1.34 rating so far this season is higher than both the Angels (1.23 on FS West) and A’s (1.23 on CSN California). 

Nationals' Dunn visits Brewers broadcaster Uecker in 2nd inning - Yahoo! Sports
Sure, he forgot to tell his manager he was leaving the dugout to go to the radio booth to visit friend Bob Uecker, but really, he just wanted to say hello to his friend. Is that so bad?

IN THE MINORS

Orioles Insider: Hoes heading to Bowie
L.J. Hoes, the Bowie native and St. John’s (D.C.) product whom the Orioles selected in the third round in 2008, has been promoted to Double-A Bowie for a little homecoming

Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- July 26
Norfolk won in 15 even though Josh Bell went 0-for-7, Bowie won as L.J. Hoes went 2-for-5 in his AA debut, Frederick lost as Keys starter Nathan Moreau gave up seven runs in 3.2 IP, Delmarva lost in 10 in Game 1 and lost 5-0 in Game 2, Aberdeen won 5-3 as Austin Knight went 4-for-5, Bluefield won 11-1 as Cameron Roth got his first pro win, and the GCL Orioles lost 2-1. 

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A few things

“The young guys have to step it up, because they know what our needs are…” said Juan Samuel.—- CAUSE YOU CLEARLY DON’T

I don’t get why they are mind-fucking Tillman either. He hasn’t been up all year but he’s had the same year the rest have had. Somehow everyone else is immune from Norfolk though it seems.

The longer we go without a new manager, the harder it gets for me to watch this debacle. Hopefully the few bright spots continue to shine and make this season worth something.

by GeoffreyA on Jul 27, 2010 8:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm guessing

it’s because they already burned the option with him and he’s the youngest, so in their minds, that means he needs the extra time at AAA. At least in 2 week spurts.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

ironbirds

Austin knight is a pretty manly name.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 27, 2010 8:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

True

But it’s still no Sebastian Vader.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Luke Scott is ridiculous

I was looking up his stats last night on B-R.con for a blog post. On May 4 he was hitting .177 with 3 HR. Since then he’s hit about .350 with 14 HR, while missing 3 weeks with the bad hammy. We know it won’t last, but this is one of the most sustained runs of production he’s had.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

also..,

it seems to me that he was even showing signs of cooling off when he got hurt which almost makes the current streak more amazing.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah it's easy to forget how long he's actually been doing well

He started off so miserably but ever since he turned it on, he’s been awesome.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He gets waaaaay too much flak around here

His OPS+ is 151. His slash line is .295/.364/.583. That’s an OPS of .946. That is insane. Alot of people want Dunn as the DH, but statistically Luke is having as good a year or better (plus i’d take his defense over Dunn’s any day). Luke is a beast, and he doesn’t get enough love for it because it comes in insane spurts rather than in consistent play. I mean, I picked him up off the waiver wire as a FA in a Camden Chat fantasy league! It’s all Orioles fans! WTF!?

And yes, I know Dunn has been historically better. My point isn’t that it’s better to have Luke than Dunn, but rather that this year Luke has been at least as good as Dunn and we have nothing to show for it. Replacing Luke with Dunn probably makes very little if any difference.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

the line'll be

that he does it all in two weeks and then is a bad person and a worse hitter the rest of the season…but that hasn’t really been the exact case this year. Still, Scott’s 32 and this is like textbook selling high. Which is some good news in a world where everything has turned to ash on my tongue.

I can't describe the way it feels...

by Andrew_G on Jul 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea

I’m all for trading him now. He’ll never be worth more, and that isn’t hyperbole.

As far as the him doing it all in 2 weeks stuff, who cares? If we aren’t winning when he’s red hot, what would be the benefit of him spreading it out? Sure, we wouldn’t have to watch those awful cold streaks, but it really wouldn’t be any different in the standings. We lose when he’s hot, we lose when he’s cold. We just lose.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like him personally

He’s a very good hitter from time to time and an adequate fielder. He’s having an absurdly good season and for that reason I’d like him off the team as quickly as possible for as big a return as possible.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm quite well aware...

your Luke hatred is well documented : )

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying

A good percentage of the Luke hate on this blog can probably be attributed to me, and most of it is not really fair from a baseball perspective.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess who benched Matt Garza on his fantasy team last night?

I was fed up with his struggles (6.71 ERA from May 26 to Jul 20). Yeah, I’m kicking myself for that one.

by ahoque24 on Jul 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

That's rough...

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine being the dummy who just traded him!

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that sure would suck!

Especially if the other person requested someone else and settled for him.

Hey, at least Carmona had a great outing too.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm assuming you're the one who "settled" for him

in other news, he’s quite the comedian…..his interview from sportscenter was pretty funny.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I was trying for Felix Hernandez. Luckily Stacey offered Garza instead.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hernandez stunk last night.

And considering the stupid Mariners never score any runs I probably should have just let you have him.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hear the diamondbacks are looking for front office staff........

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

From BLS

When Joe Mauer was pinch hit for after going 5 for 5 the crowd at Kaufmann Stadium booed. Reminds me of people cheering for the home runs by the Rangers in the 30-3 game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Taking-a-closer-look-at-the-Twins-19-1-rout-of-?urn=mlb-258435

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

So, how much would people here offer Prince Fielder?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a FA in 2012, right?

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its always confusing to say

But its after the 2011 season, so 2012 would be the first year with a new team.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's what I meant

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering his first year will be when he's 28

His dad’s last pretty good year was at 32, but he’s a better hitter than his dad was. I think 5 or 6 years at around 15M per is reasonable. So 6 years for 90M seems like a good deal. I’m fine with 6 for 100M. That might not get him though. I would offer the same to Adrian Gonzalez too, since he’s 2 years older but he should age better.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

And, unfortunately, the O’s will have to overbid to get him.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tex and Howard are making between 20 and 25 mil every year

I wouldnt do 7 years (like Tex) but I could live with a 5 year deal (like Howard). I don’t think I could deal with 25 mil a year though. Judging by ops+, Howard and Fielder have been extremely similar players while having played almost the same amount of games. However, Howard is 4 years older (which is why I think his deal was quite stupid). If he wants Howard money, i’d probably decline. The max i’d probably go is 5 years, 100 mil.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was just about to type this

With Howard getting $25M and Teixeira getting $22.5M per year, there’s no way $15M will get Fielder. He’ll be 28, so giving him a six year deal would probably take him through as long as we wanted him. I’d rather do five but when you’re the Orioles you gotta do what you gotta do. I could see six years, $130M or something like that.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

At that point i would sooner throw a longer deal at A-gonz because i think he’ll age better. I think Fielder will be DH only at that point in his contract and he wont be as productive. A-gonz i’d be comfortable with 7 years for 130M-150M.

If you use Howards contract as a baseline, how much does Pujols get then? Howards contract was insane, if you think Pujols is 150% better you are looking at 37.5M per. Insane. Howards agent is a genious.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

genious meaning genius

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I'd contend that Fielder is going to age a lot better than people think

He has a bad body, but by all accounts, he works out like crazy, is a vegan, and his defense at first is actually quite underrated. I don’t think his dad is a great comp for him.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who would you use as a comp?

I looked at Vaughn and Cecil, but you think there’d be a better one for his body type/work ethic?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comps are something of a sucker's game...

…but my inclination is to say Frank Thomas.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be overjoyed if that was the case

I think with his body his knees will be shot before long, but it’d be great. Regardless, I dint think i’d go longer than 6 years, and that’s really when Mo Vaughn started declining (fell of a cliff) anyway, so either way, it’s all good.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The same injury bug hit Thomas too, and I think that Fielder will have his share of injuries as he ages. But the thing with Thomas unlike Vaughn or Cecil was that even though he couldn’t stay on the field all the time, his skills when he played didn’t diminish the way that others did. I think Fielder is likely to retain his skills even as his health deteriorates.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

what makes you think that?

I can't describe the way it feels...

by Andrew_G on Jul 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

His athleticism and durability

Fielder played in all but two games in 2008, played in every game in 2009, and has played in every game in 2010. He’s also had very strong range factors at first – better than Carlos Pena, Derrek Lee, and Kevin Youklis, all of whom are know for strong defense at first. This is shown in his similarity scores through age 25 – Eddie Murray, Will Clark, Mark Teixeira, Kent Hrbek, and of course, Thomas.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

swoon

I LOVE Frank Thomas.

I’ve heard the vegan and working out stuff, but the fact is that Fielder is huge. That can’t be good for his body as he ages even if he does keep himself good shape for a person of that size. He’s listed as 5’11" 270 but he’s gotta be bigger than that.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas was huge

Dunn is huge. There isn’t a risk-free move you can make. Fielder has been fantastic and has somehow been underrated. If you want to buy a bat the next two years, there isn’t a better bet that I can see who we have any reasonable shot at.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah I'm not saying I don't want him

I totally do. I think he’d be great for the team and will be great for years. But it is something to think about.

Also, Frank Thomas’ kind of huge is a little different than Prince Fielder. Thomas is probably 6 inches taller than Fielder and when he was 28 probably weighed the same that Fielder does at 5’11".

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Prince has always struck me a pudgy. I’m not saying the dude is fat. Thomas, in contrast, looks like raw muscle big.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be clear...

When I say max is 5/100, I mean that’s probably the max annual i’d want to throw out. I’d probably be willing to add a year at a lower annual salary (6/110 maybe), but I dont think i’d exceed 6 years.

Of course, this all depends on what leverage we have (basically, who is already off the board). If AGon, Pujols, and any other viable options are off the board, we might have to do a bit more, which at that point I might be desperate enough to consider.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

…neither A-Gon nor Pujols is ever coming here. Really, there is no price that I think we could get either one.

I’d go 5/125 for Fielder. I think that trumps what he’s likely to get elsewhere, I think the high annual would get him to concede on the overall length, and I think we’d need to make an offer that is well ahead of other clubs to bring him here. And I think that overpaying by a bit is justified, because it helps bring the franchise credibility, and because we shouldn’t be wasting multimillion dollar deals on 1 win players.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I could probably be sold on 6/125, but even 5/125 is feasible if he puts up good numbers over the next season and a half. the 5/100 or 6/110 is what i’d be willing to pay, but if we were to sign him at 5/125 (if his skills dont noticably decline by 2012) I wouldnt be pissed. It’s not my money or my job on the line.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think that overpaying by a bit is justified,

I think we’re getting to the point where we HAVE to overpay for a few free agents, and have the ability to do so. The catch is we have to be damn sure they’re the right players. It’ll take a few years of being competitive with overpaid players before we can convince anyone to come here on a market deal.

The gut reaction is to say its smart to never overpay for free agents, but right now I’m looking at it as a baseball activation energy. There will be a necessary period where we expend a good deal of resources in a brief period to reach a point where we can become stable for a long period of time on less. Its just a matter of expending that burst of resources in the right direction. Choose the wrong overdraft players or the wrong free agents and we’re both penniless and terrible.

by kba26 on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

"baseball activation energy"

I’m too tired to expand this analogy, but I approve.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sure is nerdy

but then again, I guess I knew enough about chemistry to get this as well, so looks like i’m a nerd.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

….once you commit to not paying $9M for a Millwood, not paying $6M for a Tejada, not paying $4.5 for an Atkins, you can add a Fielder at $25M and still come out with a similar overall payroll on balance.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

but i think its gonna take more than Fielder

by kba26 on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fielder is what there is

There aren’t going to be a lot of options on the free agent market worth the investment. Maybe you make a run at Crawford, but he’s probably another one who won’t come here no matter the offer.

C Wieters
1b Fielder
2b B-Rob/Hoes
SS Givens/Machado/Rosa/?
3b Bell
LF Pie/Reimold/Avery/?
CF Jones/?
RF Nick
DH Who cares?

And hope that we can build a pitching factory. That’s the hope for us.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it doesnt look half good either

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

SS

Who knows there, i doubt one of those three is ready in the next 4 years. If you’ve got the rest of the lineup performing well then I dont think you have to worry about having a hitter there, just a great glove. I like the idea of overpaying for Fielder/A-gonz over Crawford (1B is of more need, and huge power is more necessary than speed/OBP). Having a top 1B makes that lineup instantly very respectable (especially with more years of development for our young players).

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Impossible to say really until we see some pro performance from Givens and Machado – most evaluators seem to think Machado can move fast, but who knows? Really sucked that Givens was lost for the year so quickly too.

I think we’ll have big questions in center and left also – a lot rides on Jones becoming more than he’s shown to date and our somehow making something work in left. But adding an elite bat to our lineup like Fielder would have a huge impact.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boras has stated he wants a Tex type deal for Prince

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/13/scott-boras-wants-a-mark-teixeira-deal-for-prince-fielder/

Of course, that isn’t going to happen. One thing working in the O’s favor would be a depressed market for him. The Red Sox and Cubs would present the most likely competition, but the Sox have V-mart / Youk as 1B options and the Cubs are already hampered by some bloated contracts (Zambrano & Soriano most notably). The Braves could be in the running as well at that time.

So I think it would be to the O’s advantage to offer 6 years / $130-$140. I would doubt any NL club would go for 6 years due to the concerns regarding his aging profile. And the only potential serious competition from an AL club could be the Red Sox if they A) decide not to keep V-Mart at 1B or B) fail to acquire Gonzo. Maybe the Rangers could be a wild card if Chris Davis doesn’t work out for them.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rangers will still be burdened...

…with having to pay off Hicks’ debts. The Braves should be playing Freddie Freeman at that point.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rangers are also going to have to find a way to resign Josh Hamilton

so that should only add to their salary burdens going forward. And I wasn’t sure about the Braves 1B prospect. Thanks for the update.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox pose a huge threat

VMart’s contract is up this year, and they have no C other than him. If they do resign him, it’s probably as a catcher (which is pretty bad). They could move him to 1st and Youk to 3rd when Beltre is gone, but I dont see them settling with that long term unless they find a viable C replacement. They’ve been after AGon for some time, and if that doesnt happen I see them pressing hard for Fielder. They have alot of money power to drive up the price too. It’d almost be beneficial for us if the Sox land Gonzalez.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard for me to see

The Red Sox clearly don’t love Fielder like they do A-Gon, or there would have been trade rumors about them already. And if they don’t make a move, they have two pretty strong 1b prospects in Rizzo and Anderson. Word is they are negotiating to get Iannetta from the Rockies for catcher.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox clearly don’t love Fielder like they do A-Gon,

It’s probably due to their different defensive values. Prince is pretty bad (negative UZR in 3 out of the last four years and -8.0 this year) while A-Gon’s UZR numbers are better (not great either though).

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jul 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

O's in the Huffington Post yesterday

The Worst Team in Baseball

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jul 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

yea who can really say that one is worse than the other

You say tomatoe i say tomato, we say orioles, they say buccos. They are both so bad, but yet in similar stages (blew up the team recently and some young players are making an impact).

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLBTR says, per Jayson Stark...

…that Miguel Tejada is the Phillies primary trade target.

Let it be so.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jul 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

good to hear

The phillies trades/signings make no sense. So its a good team to have interested. Giving away cliff lee over the offseason for not too much and then talking about trading for another pitcher. Also signing howard to a rediculous extention. Make it happen. His 269 BA isn’t that terrible is it?

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could we really be that lucky?

Hopefully MacPhail makes it happen somehow.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would seem to make sense

if they do manage to trade Werth they are going to need a right handed bat in order to provide some semblance of balance to their lineup.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marlins ended post-game pie shenanigans

Upon completion of a game winning hit, all players must refrain from showing any emotion and remain frozen in place on the field until a time when they can be carted off by training staff to prevent any further injury. The shenanigans must stop!

by HIO'sFan on Jul 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Its my #2 comedy of all time

and I use the word shenanigans anytime someone gives me the opportunity.

by HIO'sFan on Jul 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

likewise. Only The Big Lebowski rates higher on my personal scale.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am........Sancho

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

the whipped cream thing is tired anyhow

even though I’m pretty sure Michael Kay thinks the Yankees invented it.

I can't describe the way it feels...

by Andrew_G on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the most storied...

postgame celebration in the history of athletics.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Jul 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that or the players involved won't be walking at all

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

I’m not surprised that Garza’s kid is a smartass. I also enjoy his neighbors that taped balloons to his front door for when he got home. My neighbors definitely won’t do that after I throw a no hitter.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Jul 27, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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