Saturday Bird Droppings - Make Your Own! Edition
by duck on Jul 3, 2010 8:38 AM EDT
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So, Verizon's DSL service in Salisbury has basically decided to take a week-long vacation, so I can't open most internet sites without timing out. Instead of leaving you bereft of reading choices this morning, I'm going to ask for your help - post your own links here.
Seriously, you be the Bird Droppings editor today. Post a link, the headline you would use, and either a really good quote from the article or a snarky one-liner about its contents. I can't add them to the story, because I have a funeral to attend this morning about an hour away, but I'm sure Stacey and zk and the other mods will be more than happy to add them. Right, guys?
Even if this little experiment doesn't work, at least we have an Open Thread for today. Go O's!
When Pie returns, Bell may stay put
I wouldn’t have a problem with this. -BSF
Official: Yankees express interest in dealing for Orioles’ Ty Wigginton, NJ.com -BSF
Samuel Tells Jones to Play Deeper
Hopefully he also told him to catch balls hit to the outfield. -OEutaw (didn't they also tell him to do this in ST? -Stacey)
Nearly Another No Hitter
The O’s farm system almost secured their third no-hitter of the year, settling for a 1-hit shutout instead. 20YO RHP Justin Moore pitched 6 no hit innings in the start. -OEutaw
Rosenthal: Phillies Want Lee Back
They also want Tejada & Wigginton. Yes, I said “&”. -OEutaw
Padres fans ask what it would take to get Millwood
and they actually spin it in a positive light. home/road splits, people -Luke E
Brian Roberts is taking batting practice.
We'll see. -Stacey
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- July 2
Norfolk lost 2-1, Bowie lost 9-4, Frederick won 5-2, Delmarva lost 5-1, Aberdeen won 5-0, Bluefield lost 7-2, and GCL O's lost 3-2. -Stacey
Oh, say can you sell? Then you may sing
Some baseball teams require that groups sell a minimum number of tickets before they can sing the national anthem. Baltimore is not one of those teams. Is it because they are generous or because it would be impossible to get anyone to perform? You be the judge. -Stacey
ORIOLES: Local ballboys enjoying 'cool job' -Stacey
David Hernandez likes to high five them and one of hem ended up rapping with Adam Jones. Seems worth dealing with some heckling from some Red Sox fans. -Stacey
Lester goes for perfect dozen against O's | MLB.com: News
If Jon Lester wins tonight against the Orioles his record will be a disgusting 12-0. -Stacey
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When Pie returns, Bell may stay put
I wouldn’t have a problem with this.
Mi firma está escrito en español!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 3, 2010 8:49 AM EDT reply actions
Official: Yankees express interest in dealing for Orioles’ Ty Wigginton, NJ.com
Mi firma está escrito en español!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 3, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe bells promotion
has more to do with the approaching trade deadline than the scott injury
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 3, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Here are a few:
Samuel Tells Jones to Play Deeper
Hopefully he also told him to catch balls hit to the outfield.
The O’s farm system almost secured their third no-hitter of the year, settling for a 1-hit shutout instead. 20YO RHP Justin Moore pitched 6 no hit innings in the start.
Rosenthal: Phillies Want Lee Back
They also want Tejada & Wigginton. Yes, I said “&”.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Padres fans ask what it would take to get Millwood
and they actually spin it in a positive light. home/road splits, people!
This just in: Germany 4 Argentina 0
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Suck it, Diego. The Argies looked like sh#t.
Nice to see Angela Merkel go berserk in the stands. Well, for her.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
klose
will probably be the all time leading wc goal scorer if Germany makes the finals. Crazy, but then, just Fontaine got his 13 goals in one tournament.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Jul 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
2 games regardless
Even if they lose the next game, they have the 3rd place match. He’s got a good shot
by tjk on Jul 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
All of the visitors going to OC this weekend probably have Verizon working overtime.
Do you live in Salisbury?
by Delmarvalous Tom on Jul 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
Yup
"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis
by duck on Jul 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the ny times thinks wieters isn't anything special
thanks for backing him up Palmer. Freakin sellout…
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
To the defense of the Times
They didn’t write that.
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people don't look at who actually write articles.
This one was written by REUTERS. But what can be said is the NYT chose this article as one to run, so they do bare responsibility for that.
Next time you open up your local paper look at the number of articles written by either the AP or Reuters. Then you’ll understand why local news isn’t what it used to be.
by Delmarvalous Tom on Jul 4, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
From Steve Melewski (emphasis added):
I am pretty sure this is not necessarily true, but the impression out there seems to be that Adam Jones is running the show and not the other way around.
We read and hear things like “the O’s met with Adam and asked him to play deeper in the field. They asked him to charge the ball more often.”
First of all you would hope Jones is taking these “suggestions” to heart, because he doesn’t want to become known as the first Gold Glove winner to be considered completely mediocre on defense the very next year.
He needs to take pride in his defense. We are told he works hard at it, now it’s time to see the fruits of that labor.
And in fact, if the coaches are “asking” him to play deeper, maybe it’s time for another approach.
Why not just say “hey, Adam, we have this kid Matt Angle at Triple-A. You may not know him, but he’s really good on defense. I bet if we call him up, he’d play anywhere in the outfield we tell him to, don’t you think?”
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You left out the really horrifying thing in that post
Melewski is suggesting that the Orioles promote Britton to the majors after he pitches in the Futures Game on July 11th. Since he works for MASN and often is given information by the club, this could mean that the Orioles intend to bring up Britton after two AAA starts and about 100 innings above A+.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yes, I saw that too.
Cause you know, it worked so well for Tillman, Arrieta and Matusz.
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
Britton will make a start or 2 this year
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
our prospect pattern
I don’t necessarily disagree with giving him a September callup. It wouldn’t hurt him at all. I’m more worried about why no one is telling tillman to stop leaving the ball up at ML level. And on that topic, I’m not sure why they keep sending him down. Check that, we need to limit the exposure to the ML staff as much as possible.
I hope we have a manager (hopefully buck) in place after AS break. The team needs him so he can be like “excuse me Terry, but gtfo of me clubhouse”
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see that as our prospect pattern at all
The stories about how Bell is not going back to AAA are already out there today. We jumped Matusz from AA to the majors due to injury and he’s never gone back. We made Tillman the youngest pitcher in the majors and seemed to have every intention to keep him there until spring training.
As Melewski points out, a September callup is unlikely for Britton because of his innings cap – he’ll have no innings left to pitch unless they go crazy when September comes. Meanwhile, I’m sure people are telling Tillman to keep the ball down – unfortunately, it isn’t as easy as telling him to do it. If pitchers could control where they throw the ball with precision, then everyone would be Greg Maddux.
Meanwhile, what makes you think our minor league staff is any better than our major league staff?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well I'm not the only one
There have been numerous articles/ reports linked here and on ESPN questioning why they have all these super prospects at the minor league level that aren’t peforming as such in the majors.
Wieters was top 5 and #1, he’s struggling (although I feel he’s doing fantastic on handling defense and the staff)
tillman was #4 prospect last year, he’s dominating minors struggling majors
matusz #5 (might have been 7) overall last year and #4 this year, he’s struggled.
Arrietta was top 50 this year and while I completely disagree with his callup due to that walk ratio, he has struggled.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they have struggled because the organization hasn’t seen fit to balance out the team with proven big league talent
nuff said
Plenty of other teams have loaded up on youngsters
But they all had ML quality coaching staffs, not this LL bs we’re exposed to on a nightly basis.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i tend to place very little credit blame on coaching staffs
but i feel strongly that young, talented guys need proven talent around them
Back it up then
I’d be interested to see the evidence.
I think you are wrong, because there are innumerable examples of this not being true. Nick. Carl Crawford and James Shields. Ryan Zimmerman. Andrew McCutchen. Hanley Ramirez. King Felix. Tim Lincecum. Zach Grienke and Billy Butler. All of them became good on lousy teams.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I can't judge a persons ability to accept coaching but I'll go over those guys
King felix was marginally above .500 his first 4 years. Greinke was far below average his first 4 years.
Most of the others are good examples, I’ll give you that although I have no idea what coaching changes they may have made. James shields success has come along with tampas climb. The SF situation may depend on the staff there as their pitchers overall seemed to have performed well the past 2-3 years (same time Bochy, a former catcher, arrived).
I’m not saying it’s 100% but you can’t argue it’s not a significant contributing factor. You mention Nick, but you don’t point out his power numbers seem to be dropping in his prime. Is it because he tries too hard? The orioles were one of the only teams that felt Nick was a better batter than pitcher. Several teams wanted him as a pitcher when he cane out. Special talents= special circumstances.
I’ll look for the links monday night from real baseball analysts on the impact of our coaching staff on our talent. I’m pretty sure there have been multiple bird dropping articles in the past few weeks criticizing the management and handling of our young kids. I believe several sources even pointed directly at that as the reason our kids are struggling.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you really just say king felix and greinke weren't that good b/c of their win %???
And i cant tell if part of your response was to James, but he would probably agree that we need better coaches for the young talent. Also, the idea that you need talented players in order for young players to be good is silly. Talent wins out and is not contageous.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 3, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I just used it as a baseline
If you’re 5-17, chances are you were pretty bad- grienkes 2nd yr w-l record in which he had a 5.80 era, 1.56 whip, .309 BAA.. Those totals start to even out by the 5th year which is what I was getting at.
King Felix’s numbers didn’t start to hit top end starter stats until his 5th year.
I was merely using the w-l as a guiding stat, sorry I should have used more proven stats when able but I’m at work.
I was more addressing the fact that I don’t know what coaches other teams have, have hired or fired.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nick is good on a lousy team
so what?
the kids need some proven talent around them. how hard is that to understand? i guess for a stat nerd like you it’s impossible.
You're referring to me?
If so, that’s amusing. It doesn’t take stats to realize how poorly coached this team is and has been for years. But keep believing in your pipe dreams. I love Nick and feel this should be his 2nd AS game. That doesn’t change the fact that I think he’s trying to do too much right now.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ick.
I must’ve skimmed over that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Selling tickets in order to play the national anthem?
Jesus, that’s cutthroat.
I got to perform the anthem with my high school marching band at an O’s/Blue Jays game in 2000. Anthems, actually, since it was in Toronto, so we had to do “O Canada” as well. We just happened to be in Toronto on like a whirlwind marching band competition tour. We sure didn’t have to sell 350 tickets.
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
I'm watching Strasburg on Fox
I can’t stand Joe Buck, obvi, but it’s nice hearing Millar! It’s nice to see Strasburg throw a pitch outside the strike zone and not have to listen to Rob Dibble being indignant about how the umpires are screwing Strasburg over.
I ♥ Kevbo.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Wow, Francouer almost lost his head to that pitch
"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah, Strasburg throwing up and in is lethal
Morgan out on two pitches. Let’s see if the Nats can give the kid a breather before he goes back out. 37 pitches in the first.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
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