Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jul 6, 2010 7:56 AM EDT
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Recaps of yesterday's loss can be found at baltimoresun.com, and orioles.com.
MIllwood's trade value is dropping - MASNsports.com
In other news, water is wet, the sun rises in the east, and I'm a bit cranky about this team right now. -duck
Gonzalez won't return until post All-Star break | orioles.com: News
Juan Samuel said Monday that Mike Gonzalez isn't coming back until after the ASG break. Any way we can push that of a bit longer, like, say, 16 months? -duck
Samuel: "We're starting to be concerned" -MASNsports.com
"He's posted a 9.89 ERA in his last seven starts, raising his season ERA to 5.77. "We're starting to be concerned," Samuel said." Glad to know you didn't rush to that judgment after those SEVEN starts with an ERA of almost 10. -duck
Orioles Insider: Orioles and Showalter talk again
"I have not been offered anything, that’s for sure," Showalter said to The Sun's Jeff Zrebiec. But it sure sounds like he will, and may start after the ASG break. -duck
Orioles Insider: Update on Atkins
"[B}y Tuesday he’ll officially be an ex-Oriole. Barring a shocker, [Garrett} Atkins is expected to clear waivers on Tuesday and then would be given his outright release. The Orioles would be on the hook for the remainder of his contract – roughly half of what’s left from the $4.5 million deal he signed in the offseason." -Party at my place. BYOB. -duck
The Orioles Top 25: June 28 – July 4
"A diehard Orioles fan’s totally subjective take on the best players of the week from June 21-June 27 2010." -duck
Erik Bedard's First Start Scratched - Lookout Landing
Bédard was scheduled to start tonight for the Mariners but will sit out due to shoulder soreness. Oh, Érik. -Stacey
IN THE MINORS
Tides' Tillman fires one-hitter | MiLB.com News
Bring some of that good stuff up here, Chris! -Stacey
Minor league notes - MASNsports.com
Ronnie Welty is hot at the plate, Joe Mahonmey needsa a few days off for his back, and some other news that's already old by now. -duck
Ramirez leading Orioles at bat " Bluefield Daily Telegraph
Luis Angel Ramirez may be repeating Bluefield this season, but his average is up to .333 and attributes the success to feeling comfortable at the plate. Good for him. -duck
Bowie lost 8-7 as four Baysox home runs were for naught, Frederick won 11-3 after scoring just three runs in the previous two games, the Keys had a season high 17 hits in the win, Delmarva lost 2-0 as the Shorebirds managed just four hits while Matt Hobgood pitched three innings and have up just three hits and a run to be tagged with the loss, Aberdeen IronBirds set their hits record in a win with 19 hits Monday night as they beat the Lowell Spinners 9-6, Bluefield won 1-0 in 10 innings as three Orioles pitchers combined on the shutout, allowing just 5 hits, and the GCL Orioles won 6-2.
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Check out Fangraphs today for a writeup concerning Arrieta's recent struggles
"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."~Hunter S. Thompson
I'll try and add it later
Ran out of time today – app’t at 8:30.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Slow in here today, huh?
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
We should be more excited.
Today marks the return of Pie!
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
YAYYYYY!!!
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So that'll make tonight's gamethread adorable, right?
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy Felix Day, y'all!
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
So
Josh Bell, who hadn’t exactly pushed the issue with his performance at AAA (looking at you, platoon splits and strikeout rates) but who was on a hot streak* (it sort of baffles me that this was considered an actual reason some of you all gave for rationalizing his call-up, and I don’t say to deride anybody, it just sort of baffles me is all), and who has met expectations by being terrible* and showing off exactly why he isn’t ready for the majors*, will most likely remain on the roster as it sounds like Millwood will get DLed in favor of Felix Pie (and the 40 man doesn’t need an adjustment).
Um. When did this team stop doing things that were in the best interest of their prospects in lieu of “We can make the room on the roster elsewhere”? I like Josh Bell – I drove through rush hour traffic in D goddamned C to go up to B’more from Falls Church to see his debut. It would make me happy, and it would behoove the Orioles, to do right by him and send him back down probably for the remainder of the AAA season. Because he looks like dogshit up here. And yet…
This is the same stupid logic, I think, that had the brass doing the Brad Bergesen shuffle*, which will probably have them doing the Chris Tillman shuffle for the rest of the year, and which I can sum up thusly:
*Small sample sizes!
Fire Julio Lugo.
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Yeah
At this point, I’d rather have Goldman Sacks running the Orioles than our current front office. Maybe they are OK by baseball standards, but by those of a real business, we’d be bankrupt by now.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Hrm
what’s been bugging me is that they did right by Nolan Reimold. He’s got 99 problems (well, maybe 100 problems) and then sent him down basically right when I thought they should and they have given him as much time as he needs to get that number back down to 99, and they’re making him get himself out of this mess. Kudos – not that he’s ever gone on even a weeklong tear to give them an excuse to get back up. But why treat him one way and basically everyone else some other way?
Fire Julio Lugo.
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Eh
I don’t think they did right by Reimold, who I thought should have begun the year on the DL Indeed, I think they have compounded his difficulties in a myriad of ways – having him on the ML roster early in the year when he wasn’t healthy enough to play, demoting him when he was doing better against ML pitching than he had at any earlier point in the year, and trying to have him play first base for the first time in his career while he’s mired in a hitting slump and dealing with his considerable off the field issues.
I don’t know that I can name a single decision the club has made since the end of the 2009 season of which I approve. To me, it is literally like some kind of mass insanity infected the Orioles brass when the Yankees won the series.
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Fair points
I don’t remember what I knew and when I knew it, so it’s a little tough for me to sit here now – in the future – and pass judgment on the decisions of the past. And anyway, my larger point is that not everything has turned to shit (Hernandez and Berken’s success, Wiggy’s inexplicable trade value soaring) and not everything that did suck did it because of bad decisions (Millwood’s suckitude).
There have been a lot of bad decisions – let’s not forget the way Gonzo and Brian’s injuries were/are being handled, especially in light of how JJ’s injury is similarly being handled – but then I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know what Dr. Andrews or Brian’s back specialist told the Orioles, and if they chose to ignore that advice or follow it to the letter. It’s hard to find fault exactly. But I don’t think the warehouse is just making constant bad decisions all over the place.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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Eh
I remember being critical of the decision to retain DT, although not that critical. I was highly critical of the moves with Reimold when they were happening, disliked the Atkins signing at the price he cost, disliked the Millwood deal, hated the Gonzalez signing, argued in favor of spending the money on international FAs and using replacement level players to fill the major league roster.
Not all the moves I argued for have worked out, of course. Pedro Feliz, who I wanted for 3b, has been a disaster for the Astros. Aroldis Chapman has been moved to the bullpen in the minors. Nor did I foresee the depth of Jones and Wieters’ struggles. But I still think philosophically that we’d be better off having moved in that direction. I don’t think the Warehouse is constantly making bad decisions. I think that they have made some bad decisions, but worse yet, there has been a total absence of good decisions. Since the end of the 2009 season, can we name one decision that has been better than indifferent?
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I'd say again moving Berken to the pen
a smart move that I had some doubts about but I’ve been totally destroyed by. I guess that’s not exactly earth-shattering (neither is moving Hernandez to the pen), but it provides the Orioles with a pretty solid basis for a bullpen in what we all hope are the competitive years ahead a short way.
Thing is, I have sort of a closed definition of “successful decision”. Bringing Millwood would be a great move for a contending team like the Cardinals, and I’d still call it a good (but not a great) move for the Orioles which hasn’t worked out because now we can’t trade him, which basically ruins the whole cake, since his actual performance never really mattered and he was but a short-term player anyway (which is what keeps it from being a really good, non-indifferent move for me).
And anyway, how many opportunities have there been for really good, strong moves? I mean, if we had handled Roberts perfectly (and I don’t know that they didn’t), that’s at best an indifferent move and more probably something we don’t even think about. If we had signed Pedro Feliz and he had been basically Cesar Izturis (as opposed to the worstest player ever), it’d still be a short-term move with no long-term payoff (like Millwood), and to me, indifferent.
And it’s not like the trade market has come and gone yet – there’s still a ton of the year to go for making some good moves.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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you could make a case that we missed the opprotunity to sign Adrian Beltre
I think we have been a little too worried about “blocking” our can’t miss 3B prospect who was going to be an everyday starter by the AS break. Then again, I’m not convinced Beltre will keep up this level of production throughout the remainder of his contract
As I recall
Beltre wasn’t considering the Orioles – and why would he? – since he was perfectly happy with Boston’s money and playoff chances. Not sure he was a realistic option.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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he would have sucked for us anyways
The dude only plays when he wants to/or in a contract year
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 6, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we put out an offer for Beltre
But he didn’t receive any offers he deemed big enough so he took a one year deal with Boston.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Beltre was never going to sign anywhere but Boston
It was a foregone conclusion. If professional sports were ever to actually enforce tampering rules, i suspect that would be way at the top of the list.
he would have happily signed here for 5 years, $60.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'm still not sure this is even true
Beltre was all about signing a one year deal with a contender in hopes of signing a huge deal next season. I’m not sure even 5/60 would have gotten it done.
It definitely would have been enough. His last contract was 5 years, $64 during strong economic times. He’s crazy if he thinks he’s going to get more during an economic downturn and being 6 years older.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Well then
wouldnt the Orioles have been completely nuts to offer 5/60 to a guy who just put up a 2.4 WAR 30-year old season?
Fire Julio Lugo.
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absolutely
And I’m not terribly thrilled about offering that after this season. This season is obviously a fluke. He had a flukey walk year in 2005. 3 years, $30M or 4 years, $40M sounds like a good price him.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Indeed, I think they have compounded his difficulties in a myriad of ways – having him on the ML roster early in the year when he wasn’t healthy enough to play, demoting him when he was doing better against ML pitching than he had at any earlier point in the year, and trying to have him play first base for the first time in his career while he’s mired in a hitting slump and dealing with his considerable off the field issues.
Completely agree. Same thing applies to B-Rob.
I don’t know that I can name a single decision the club has made since the end of the 2009 season of which I approve.
I don’t think they’ve been this bad. Players haven’t developed. But in terms of roster decisions, they’ve done fine, not perfect mind you. But, at a lot of people, were on aboard with trading for Millwood (not me!). And they’ve made the right decision in handling Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Berken, and DH.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I’m hoping they don’t do the Bergesen shuffle with Bell. I’m still thinking the reason they did it/are doing it with him is because he’s not a prospect and they won’t do it with somebody who is. Tillman is a different case because they have no idea what to do with somebody who dominates at AAA but flounders at the ML.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He's like our version of buchholz maybe?
Still think he’s a #1 but who knows anymore..
by GeoffreyA on Jul 6, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I have absolutely not clue
it’s damn frustrating that’s for sure.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
but who was on a hot streak* (it sort of baffles me that this was considered an actual reason some of you all gave for rationalizing his call-up, and I don’t say to deride anybody, it just sort of baffles me is all),
It isn’t a good reason to bring up someone on a permanent basis. For someone who’s going to be brought up for a handful of games before being sent down, it’s reasonable thing to look at.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I mean, I guess
that is, if minor league hot streaks can translate to major league hot streaks. And I haven’t seen any reason ever to think that they can. If you have some good counter-example, then go for it.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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if minor league hot streaks can translate to major league hot streaks.
I just don’t see that as relevant because, of course, there’s no evidence. It’s nearly impossible to predict how anyone will play in a 2-3 game frame. The O’s essentially had two choices: Bell or Rhyno (both players are on the 40 man roster). Between those two guys, I really don’t care who they bring up, but Bell has played better lately.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Dave Cameron sends some love
over at fangraphs, saying DH would be on his AL All-Star team if he really needed to build a roster designed to just win the game. I’ll ignore his lack of notice for Jason Berken (my feelings for Jason Berken are very strange. It’s like falling in love with your worst enemy all over again):
David Hernandez gets the call as a long reliever who can bring some heat if the game goes to extra innings and you need a guy to stay out there until it ends – his overall numbers aren’t great, but he’s been lights out since moving to the bullpen and the stuff is certainly there.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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I also have this feeling.
(my feelings for Jason Berken are very strange. It’s like falling in love with your worst enemy all over again
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So
If this team will be ‘88 O’s, then next year’s team will be the ‘89 O’s? It can’t hurt to be optimistic.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
Bédard was scheduled to start tonight for the Mariners but will sit out due to shoulder soreness.
LOL.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Wow.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like that trade was good for us even if AJ and Tillman never live up to our hopes.
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by Eat More Esskay on Jul 6, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, AJ & Tillman actually play in games.
So we kind of win by default.
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yea
real shocker
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
How the fuck is Bruce Chen back in the majors and actually doing ok?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
this is why i love this game
Fire Julio Lugo.
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it is fucking hot as shit out right now
plus the humidity
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
101 degrees at BWI, ties a record set in 1999.
Not looking forward to spending time outside tomorrow.
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by Eat More Esskay on Jul 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it.
Sorry. I’m the one guy in the world who, when people say, “hot enough for ya?”, I’m actually like, “Yeah, man. Or a few degrees more. This is awesome.”
I don’t want to go for a run in this kind of heat or anything, but I do enjoy it.
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Spend some time in iraq
Tell me if that’s hot enough for ya.. I recall being cold at night when it was a frigid 90 out.
by GeoffreyA on Jul 6, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I recall nights where it didn't get below 100.
And many many days hovering around the 120-125 degree range.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Funny thing was calling back home and my grandmother telling me how it was “sooo hot today, got up to like 94! How about over there?”. And you’re like “o, it’s 122 right now…”
by GeoffreyA on Jul 6, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea.
I sure don’t miss that shit hole.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
im gonna be the one who plays devil's advocate and say i want buck
why the hell not? it can’t get any worse than this and he’s done some good things with young teams in the past. disregard that disastrous first year in arizona and he’s got a very strong W/L record.
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I hope he comes in
and gets tossed his first game and launches everything in the dugout onto the field. And on his way to the tunnel he tells everyone on the bench that if they fuck things up he will break them in half. That’d be awesome.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That WOULD be awesome
but you have to wonder if that would, you know, actually do anything positive.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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Who cares? Nothing else that's been done has been positive.
At least it would kick ass.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
um we have 25 wins just after the 4th of july.
i’m willing to try anything.
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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by danielreese05 on Jul 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oooh I KNOW
he comes in and his first game he gets tossed and then throws Terry Crowley onto the field wit his bare hands.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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Or hit him with a bat and say
“o sorry I saw a pitch I liked, mighta been a bit outside though”
by GeoffreyA on Jul 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That would be awesome
and I don’t care is it would do anything positive.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
I honestly think some of these guys
could use having the fear of god beat into them.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
O's Lineup, from Britt:
Patterson (DH)
Tejada
Markakis
Wiggy (1B)
Jones
Wieters
Pie (LF)
Lugo
Izturis
I am so happy.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Y'all know I l ♥ Felix Pie
But it’s a sad state of affairs when he’s the player we’re SO excited to see.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Meh - I'm totally realistic about where things stand
and I am very happy to have Pie back.
Fire Julio Lugo.
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I dont want to hear that kind of talk
You’re the last person i’d expect to try to bring us down on Felix Pie Day
It's a sadder state of affairs
when Corey Patterson is your DH.
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Yeah, no kidding.
The sadder part is that he really is the best they can do with this bench.
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
I would prefer
Pie in center with Patterson and Jones splitting time at DH and left.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jul 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a former #1 prospect
so i’m pretty excited to see what he can do down the road.
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"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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by danielreese05 on Jul 6, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
i’ve been happier before
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
no you haven't, you liar
Fire Julio Lugo.
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I'm gonna tell Amber on you
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'm still wondering who this Heidi person is
Seriously, who is that? Last name, please.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2010 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amber is still my #1
Her Oriole fanhood barely puts her over the top. Hiedi is a very close second however.
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Millwood worth now?
Can the team at least get a sack of manure and some sunflower seeds for him, or has he sunk so low that we have to bribe someone else to take him.
What's more frustrating than being a Marlins and Orioles fan? Eye surgery???
I would guess right now we would indeed have to bribe them.
He’s broken, and worse, he’s a broke 35-year-old. Who knows if he’ll ever pitch at a major league level again?
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
well, that's juuuuuuuuust a bit dramatic there
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
Yeah, I know.
But certainly no one’s going to trade for him while he’s on the DL, right?
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
who knows is he'll ever pitch effectively at a major league level again?
FTFY.
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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by danielreese05 on Jul 6, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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