Thursday Bird Droppings
Recaps of last night's inevitable defeat can be found at orioles.com, baltimoresun.com, MASNsports.com (with post-game Juan), and The Detroit News.
Berken passed over for All-Star Game | greenbaypressgazette.com | Green Bay Press Gazette
"De Pere native Jason Berken, in his second season as a pitcher with the Baltimore Orioles, didn't make the American League roster for Major League Baseball's All-Star Game." Gotta love hometown newspapers. -duck
O's hesitant to go back-to-back with Uehara | orioles.com: News
Our Delicate Flower Koji Uehara can only be used with a day's rest in between appearances now. Seriously, does anybody pitch outside in Japan? Ever? -duck
Tillman looking like Saturday's starter | orioles.com: News
Chris Tillman comes up to make Saturday's start, since they don't want to use anyone in the bullpen. Josh Bell is the odds-on favorite to be sent down. Hope you enjoyed the meal money, kid. -duck
Orioles notebook: - baltimoresun.com
"Consider this: If none of the above picks up a victory between now and Sunday, these Orioles will be the first team in major league history not to have at least a four-game winner at the All-Star break, according to Elias Sports Bureau." - duck
SpliceToday interviews Craig Calcaterra of NBC Sports "Hardball Talk"
"I started hearing whispers that Orioles’ spring training was profoundly lackadaisical and that many of the young players were rather complacent as they broke camp, secure that they had a job and believing that they merely needed to show up in order to be successful." - James F
Rosenthal Speculates on Showalter's Staff - FOX Sports on MSN
Names include Mark Connor, Brian Butterfield, Bill Ripken, and B.J. Surhoff. -Stacey
For the Reds' Rhodes, Pitching Becomes a Tribute - NYTimes.com
Arthur Rhodes is making his first AS appearance this year, a year and a half after the death of his 5 year old son. You might want to get out a tissue. -Stacey
Fox and Friends Asks Cal Ripken, Jr. If He’s ‘Concerned About The Wussification Of America' | Mediaite
"Turns out that Ripken doesn't like it and that he's opposed to participation trophies that reward every kid involved in a sport, instead of just the winners. " -duck
New York Yankees @ Baltimore Orioles GameThread, May 27, 2008
I was searching for something totally not this last night and ended up reading the entire thing because it's so awesome. Please, enjoy. -Stacey
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- July 7
IN a rush, so Norfolk won, Bowie lost badly, Frederick lost normally (Ronnie Welty was 2-for-4 with a solo home run and two RBIs, just sayin'), Delmarva won a close one, and Bluefield lost a close one. Aberdeen had the day off and the GCL Orioles game was postponed.
Orioles Insider: Orioles agree to terms with two more
The Orioles have signed two of the UCLA pitchers they drafted last month, just not Dan Klein. -duck
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RE: the Calcaterra interview
That’s just great. I mean, it sucks no matter what, but given all the garbage they loved to spew about Trembley being Mr. Tight Ship and all, it just figures.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
by Stacey on Jul 8, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Players ain't dumb.
Clearly they know what to say to try to keep a cream puff around.
His point about how it can’t change with Juan Samuel as the interim because he was a part of that spring training is probably right, and also really fucking depressing.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 8, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it's depressing
If it’s true, then we know what at least a good piece of the problem has been: the coaching staff has been mishandling the players (which we could have guessed before, I suppose) and that means that there’s a decent enough chance that a different voice (and not even necessarily a different tone of voice) will change things in the clubhouse and make this team a little more focused and disciplined.
I have a hard time saying this team doesn’t work hard and isn’t focused (even if they look that way) because I have no idea how hard they work, and I personally am talking here instead of working.
Fire Julio Lugo.
I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?
We'll never know the truth
I was always on the fence with Trembley. Never a big supporter or detractor. But if this stuff is true, he should have been canned ASAP. Maybe that’s what happened. Again, if this is true, it makes you wonder what the rest of the organization was doing. Coaches, front office, etc. Did they all turn a blind eye to this stuff? We’re they ignorant or uninformed? Either of those options tells a depressing story.
A new coaching staff with the right attitude and discipline instilled throughout the minors on up can’t come fast enough. We may have to wait for the off season, but it has to happen.
We're all part of the problem though.
We all knew and expected many of the young players to have a guaranteed spot on the team. Most, if not all, of us welcomed this as the supposed cavalry coming to the rescue in the form of a bunch of inexperienced ballplayers in their early 20s. Some like Wieters and Jones have been hailed as premature saviors dating back a year or two at this point.
In hindsight it was little more than desperation from both the fans and organization alike. We had a team that was so shitty that we desperately wanted a big change. Well, we got it and guess what? Now the team is even shittier. It was almost to impossible to believe that they could go downhill given the half assed squads we put on the field in years past. But they did. This team is worse. Much worse.
Can some of these guys turn it around with new management? Christ I hope so. But let’s not fall into the trap again of counting our chickens way before they hatch like we did with this batch of developmentally challenged Baby Birds.
re:
Recent comments (including those from Weaver, Robinson) state that the organization lacks consistency from the minors on up. Weaver was pretty blunt that it lacks scouting. This is not a new problem and has been suspected for a long while. The merry-go-round in the front office and weak coaching staffs have exacerbated the issue. I don’t want change for changes sake. I want a front office and coaching staff that will instill that discipline and hopefully attract some talented people.
I think MacPhail has run up against an extremely disorganized franchise. Fans lay a lot of issues at his feet. I think he has a mountain of dysfunction to straighten out. I hope he can and is allowed to do so. Cleaning house and getting a strong coaching staff is a necessary start.
The parts that mystify me about that story
1. Really? I mean, Britt, Roch, Zrebiec were all there. Lots of other journalists were there too at times, passing through with Baseball Tonight and such. And Craig Calcaterra is breaking this story, in an interview, now?
2. Really? And no one has said anything on the record? Does Atkins not have an incentive to trash the org? Does Justin Turner? Some of these guys come from highly professional clubs, like Gonzalez with the Braves, or have been here for a long time and can speak their mind, like B Rob and Nick. And they have kept silent even while mouthing off about other stuff?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
The three you mention though...
…are all part of the institution, so to speak. Narratives develop inside a press corps, a form of groupthink that the reporters go along with. The narrative during the last spring training was “Youth to the rescue!” That’s the story the fans and organization wanted and that’s what we got – along with a half-baked team.
Well, you see this kind of thing in politics too.
There are a lot of things that reporters know that they don’t “know” in the sense that they can’t print anything about it if they’re adhering to the idea of journalism. They might get off-the-record grumbling and they don’t print anything because they feel like if they burn a source they won’t be able to do anything in the future.
When one enterprising person finally does get some on-the-record quote or confirmation of something that everyone knows, then they can all come out and say, “We’d heard X but couldn’t talk about it” or whatever.
Why wouldn’t players on the outs say things like that? Because then you’re burning bridges if you want to catch on with another organization – less likely to take a flier on someone who’s labeled themselves as that sort of malcontent. It’s one thing if you’re a miserable son of a bitch who dogs plays and nobody likes – but if you go to (gasp) the press, you are somehow worse.
Or if you take a guy like Nick, even when he finally kind of blew his top and called out the team’s approach in public, he still didn’t throw any guys under the bus because that isn’t “what you do”. You can say one thing to the press to keep up appearances while working behind the scenes to do something else. I think a fly on the wall when he met with Angelos would have probably heard about this issue, though.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Trophies
I totally agree with Cal on the trophication of America’s youth. We put such a premium on participation, we are losing the competitive edge of youth sport. I saw a kid that was NOT good at basketball have a shelf full of BIG trophies (mostly basketball), and then I looked at them closely and only 1 was for anything but participation. The 1 was for 3rd place (team) in a youth league. 3rd place!
I just came back from Cordoba, Argentina and competition among the youth there is crazy! I am not saying their culture is better, but it puts way more emphasis on results and not participation. I kind of think that spirit of competition in life is good… it promotes creativity, an entrepreneurial spirit, and innovation. Leading from the back is impossible, one marine reminded me…
"People who write about spring training not being necessary have never tried to throw a baseball."
Sandy Koufax
We are losing the competitive age in life
In my job, we train younger kids on a daily basis. For the past 5-7 years there has been a drastic culture shift. Young kids can’t seem to deal with failure because they have NEVER been exposed to it. So you get these kids that almost kill 200 people and you’re trying to teach them and fix their problems. They just sit there laughing… It’s very frustrating but today we live in the world of not keeping score, cheering bad performances and coddling people who’s top-end is probably the fry machine st McDs…
And on my semi daily mention. Not surprised more and more stories come out about the piss-poor coaching staff. Young guys need guidance, idc who you are…
by GeoffreyA on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My kids get a trophy for participation at the end of swim season
and I’m OK with that- a suitable reward for months of hard work.
But damn if they get a ribbon in an actual meet unless they earn it. And when they come in 8th place, it says EIGHTH PLACE right on it. Not “Participant”, it says in big bold letters EIGHTH PLACE. And if that isn’t motivation to swim faster, nothing is.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
this is nothing new. I was on my local swim team 25 years ago…and everyone got trophies at the end of the season. Look how bad we all turned out!
In individual meets, people who got 1st, 2nd, or 3rd got ribbons for their accomplishment. Did I miss something… have they stopped giving out ribbons for actual achievement??? I certainly valued my ribbons a lot more than I did my trophies. Also, individual record holders for our team were prominently displayed at the main entrance to the pool. If i were born two days later I would’ve been in a lower age group and made that board. arrgghhhh.
This whole thing just screams to me of Fogeyism. All that “when I was a kid…” is BS.
I had a ton of Participant ribbons and trophies from elementary and middle school track meets and baseball. Even at the time, it didn’t mean anything to get them. Are kids these days that gullible? :-)
I had a good laugh last summer when the packets for a 5K had a participant ribbon in it. How’d they know I wasn’t going to win it?
Even if we...
are coddling kids in youth sports, they sure are learning a whole hell of a lot about competition when they’re applying for a dwindling pool of summer jobs, working on things to fill out their college applications, etc. Sports are nice and good for kids and all (if done properly) but the last thing this country is turning into is “noncompetitive”.
I won’t hide my biases, Fox and Friends (Steve Doocey, really?) is garbage to me, they clearly have a point they’re trying to lead their guests to and that is what it is. Cal isn’t an expert on child psychology, nor are the hosts on that program. If they can produce some data that suggests giving out participation trophies is an impairment, then I’ll shut my yap. Until then, I’ll continue working off of personal experience, knowing how much recognition means to a child that knows that they’ll never be an elite (or even proficient) athlete.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 8, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ITS A SPACE PLACE!!
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Cal can bite me
They’re kids! I think the 8th places trophies are ridiculous. But you played on a team, you get a trophy. There are other results orientated awards like the All-Star team.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
If you think All-Star Teams in youth sports
are any more based on performance than MLB, you’re sadly mistaken, as my daughter with the .513 AVG and .600 OBP can tell you. She’ll be watching her league’s All-Star Game from the bleachers tonight.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
by duck on Jul 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are any more based on performance than MLB, you’re sadly mistaken, as my daughter with the .513 AVG and .600 OBP can tell you.
So politics play a part. We are prepping the kids for the real world then!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Her dad was a bigger asshole than me (hard to believe, I know)
so the coach went with the other pitcher. He’d bitch and moan incessantly, where I just bitch on an Orioles blog.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
My Lebron prediction
He signs a one year minimum deal in miami so we have to this same dance for the next year and his team destroys everybody.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
do you think Lebron suffers from Brett Favrism?
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 8, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He is showing early symptoms of it
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 8, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently he's having a signing party in miami
guess he’s going to the heat…..
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
So long as he stays the hell out of NY
The last thing I need is to hear more about this fucking guy.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
We need LeBron in NYC
with him and Stoudemire, my Knicks might actually step up to being a mediocre franchise.
Go Knicks
Without Lebron, they would still have cap room for one more max free agent, but they might as well get him. Most money to be made is in NY.
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jul 8, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And Carmelo will be cashing that check next summer
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
by duck on Jul 8, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good for him
Anyone who supports Stop Snitching has my endorsement.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You are a man of many contradcitions
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Amare' is SO overrated.
Name the last big rebound he got. I’ll be here all week…
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
by duck on Jul 8, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And his offense is a product of Steve Nash's awesomeness.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoping he goes to the Nets
Because the Dolans are the source of all evil on this planet and enough bad things can’t happen to them.
Although for those with personal experience dealing with Comcast, your mileage may vary.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Ding Ding Ding
Cablevision sucks and screw any team that plays in NYC. I’d like to see the Nets land him as a big FU to the Knicks and their “most storied arena in the whole universe!” bullshit. I don’t even like the NBA, but it’d be great for Newark (at least for a couple years, plus it could make them a viable destinantion for a future franchise).
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Nah..
he’s re-signing in Cleveland.
Even though BronBron is the crown jewel, there is no way Bosh and Wade agree to announcing three full days ahead of LeBron, giving him all the attention. Chicago signed Boozer, so Chicago’s out (why play in Chicago with Boozer, Rose, Noah, and Deng when you can play in MIA with Bosh and Wade?). The Knicks signed Amar’e, so they’re out (see above, only with less pieces than CHI).
My lasting wish is that he never wins a ring.
by TerroristFistJab on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm with you
he isnt going to miami. no way he can share with wade. he won’t go to new york now either because he isnt guaranteed to win there either since miami could be just as good with wade and bosh. lebron is a joke.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Latest Twitter joke
Apple is coming out with a new LeBron James iPhone. One problem – it’s always on vibrate since there’s no ring.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
by duck on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Another good one
Completely off topic, but here goes -
Justin Bieber’s people ran an online survey asking fans what country sholud be added to his next tour & a bunch of people had fun by writing in North Korea…and he’d STILL be better off going there than to the Vatican.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
All Stars
It says a lot about the Os pitiful player development system that over the last 30 years (since Cal), we have produced only a single player (BRob) who was a legitimate All-Star. One can argue that Nick deserves to be an All Star, but, so far, the voters have not agreed. One would think that by accident the Orioles could have chosen a great player in the draft.
Mussina?
Not that your point doesn’t hold.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Greg Olson
Curt schilling
Steve finley
to name a few more
by GeoffreyA on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eh...
Schilling spent more time in Bostons minor leagues than ours, and he was nowhere near an all-star for the O’s; likewise for Finley. It almost proves the point even more that of the few talented people we’ve had in our system over the last 30 years, it took them going to other teams to really blossom.
Nick is an All-Star regardless of what the official selections indicate.
Come on, he was the best and most consistent player on the team last year, and he is this year as well. There’s no doubt about that.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 8, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“I started hearing whispers that Orioles’ spring training was profoundly lackadaisical and that many of the young players were rather complacent as they broke camp, secure that they had a job and believing that they merely needed to show up in order to be successful.” – James F
A spring training that was lackadaisical. Well, that describes every freakin’ team in baseball.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Joe Girardi is many things, but lackadaisical is not one of them. Yankee Spring Training makes the Civil War look a summer day at the beach.

aw, c'mon Brian
no subject line with the GINORMOUS Girardi pic? You sadden me.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
i'm tempted to hide that big ass ugly picture
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I think we should flag it as 'inappropriate content'
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Jul 8, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
spring training by definition is lackadaisical
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Rosenthal Speculates on Showalter’s Staff – FOX Sports on MSN
Names include Mark Connor, Brian Butterfield, Bill Ripken, and B.J. Surhoff. -Stacey
That’s nice. If history is any guide, too bad the new manager will have almost no say in his coaching staff.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
If anybody wants a good chuckle
http://www.redreporter.com/2010/7/8/1558681/a-vote-for-garrett-atkins?login=1278614931
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I would love to see atkins sign with another team
Just so he can continue to suck
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so,
but not the Reds. I mean, I know it won’t happen, but the Reds are such a likable bunch who have obvious similarities to us.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
If the Phillies miss the postseason,
I think I’m rooting for the Reds and Rays.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
So now the Reds AND the Phillies SBN sites are endorsing signing Garrett Atkins?!
Are we the only people to realize how terrible he is?
welp
they can knock themselves out. i’m sure its a fantastic and fool-proof plan.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
And it will make us look like geniuses
who can point and laugh and say “I TOLD YOU HE SUCKED!”
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Well, you know they have different standards in the NL.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It reminds me..
of an old Kids in the Hall sketch, where they go to a restaurant specifically to try a dish called Shitty Soup. They know it’s terrible, yet they HAVE to try it. People know Atkins isn’t adept at things which makes one a good baseball player, but they try him out anyway, thinking how bad could it be? Then they find out. At least the similarity worked in my head.
the germans have a soccer-predicting octopus
that’s pretty cool
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Lineups:
Corey Patterson DH
Miguel Tejada 3B
Nick Markakis RF
Ty Wigginton 1B
Adam Jones CF
Felix Pie LF
Craig Tatum C
Scott Moore 2B
Julio Lugo SS
No Bell, No Wieters, No Service.
Bring back Andino.
am i the only one
who looks at the lineup every day hoping to see jake fox’s name? i feel like we rarely put our best possible lineup out on the field.
"This club is not a good club." --Jim Palmer
foxy lady should be playing instead of Moore
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
He should definitely be in the lineup.
Juan Samuel is a bigger moron than DT. Get Showalter in here ASAP!
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice if we might, once in a blue moon...
…DH Wieters.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
lebron james is a fucking joke
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Is that real?
That’s, um, something. Never quite seen anything like it. If it is real.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

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