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"It's real fun to be an Oriole right now" - Jake Arrieta

Game stories, get your game stories! Orioles blast off in 14-8 win over IndiansRed-hot O's Spank TribeOrioles get plenty of bang for Buck

Fired Wakamatsu says thanks for the opportunity, not much else
Clipped for this: "There are already rumors Wakamatsu could become the bench coach for new Baltimore Orioles manager Buck Showalter."

Struggling closer Alfredo Simon won't get every save chance
Could be Koji! Or Gonzo! I say they should just score fourteen runs every game so we don't have to worry about it.

Bell sits to get work with Crow
Josh Bell was out of the lineup last night but will play the next two. He's been putting some extra time in with the Crow. I know, that's a terrifying thought. 

Popular backup catcher Craig Tatum 'glad' to be back with Orioles
I wonder what makes Tatum so popular with his teammates. In my head he's like the pickup private in A Few Good Men. 

Callis confident O's will sign Machado (w/Avery to Bowie update)
Jim Callis says that he believes the Orioles will end up spending 8-10 million on the draft. And Xavier Avery was promoted to AA Bowie. I have no idea why.

Star-divide

In the Minors

Norfolk Tides 6, Indianapolis Indians 10
Despite twelve hits and two walks, the Tides couldn't score more than six runs against the Indians. Adam Donachie, called up to take Tater's spot at AAA, had four hits including a HR. Scott Moore, Michael Aubrey, and Matt Angle also had multi-hit games. Nolan Reimold went 0-2 with a walk.

Portland Sea Dogs 6, Bowie Baysox 3
Portland held Bowie to just five hits, one of which was a HR by Jonathan Tucker. Steve Johnson allowed two runs on four hits in seven innings. He struck out five and walked zero. Portland scored four unearned runs after a Joe Mahoney throwing error in the eighth inning.

Frederick Keys 5, Myrtle Beach Pelicans 10
Only six of the runs scored by the Pelicans were earned as the Keys defense made three errors. Offensively, 1B Luis Bernardo was the only key without a hit, but he did reach on a walk. LJ Hoes and Bobby Stevens had multiple this and Ronnie Welty had a double and two walks. Ryan O'Shea gave up three HR as the starter and lasted five innings.

Lexington Legends 10, Delmarva Shorebirds 3
Bobby Bundy took the loss for the Shorebirds, giving up 5 runs in 5 innings. Not great, but much better than reliever David Walters who gave up 5 runs, but he only got 2 outs. LF Tyler Baxter had three hits including a HR.

Aberdeen Ironbirds 4, Batavia Muckdogs 2
The Ironbirds' pitchers were great today. Starter Bruno Sanchez allowed two runs in 5.1 innings, Ashur Tolliver pitched 1.2 innings in relief and Steven Mazur pitched two, striking out four. All seven Ironbirds hits were from three players: LF Kipp Schutz hit a double and a home run, 1B Tyler Stampone hit single and a triple, and SS Sammie Starr had three singles. Is Sammie Starr a cooler name than Will Startup?

Around the MLB

David Murphy and the Rangers walked off against Rivera and the Yankees.
Derek Jeter says: "you tip your hat to them because they had some good at-bats."

Twins take first place with display of brawn
The Twins hit five home runs and lit up Freddy Garcia to take over first place from the White Sox. It's another AL Central race, folks, between two teams that would be fourth place in the East.

Strasburg lit up for six runs in 4.1 innings
Interesting. I didn't know he was allowed to fail. Has anyone put Rob Dibble on suicide watch? 

Seeing Red: Brawl breaks out in Cards victory
1) Brandon Phillips calls the Cardinals "little bitches" 2) Yadier Molina and Phillips fight on the field, benches clear, Johnny Cueto goes on a "kicking spree." 3) Cardinal defeat the Reds for the second day and move into a tie for first place.

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Orioles place closer Mike Gonzalez on waivers

Boston possibly interested in Gonzo. We’ll see where that goes…

by Philly O's on Aug 11, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

yes - i know

the point was Boston has been interested in Gonzo and now he is on waivers.

by Philly O's on Aug 11, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

also - with all that money owed to him

you’d think the Orioles would be happy to drop him off on whoever wants him.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

7-1

Man, this orange Kool-Aid is delicious.

As far as the Cardinals-Reds, LaRussa is a big enough dbag that I’m actually rooting for Dusty Baker’s team.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Aug 11, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

oh, man...

picked up three nights in august and between buzz bissinger’s hostility towards modern statistical analysis and tlr’s ‘baggery, it’s been a tough slog.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did you see Bissinger on CostasNow a couple of years ago? Listening to his screeds, one almost wondered where the orderlies were with a calming injection and velcro straps.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Archive: BTF, ESPN

by D.Szymborski on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was when he was taking a stand against bloggers and blogging in general

He was a guest with Deadspin’s Will Leitch. Came right out of the gate yelling and ranting at Will. Was really sad to watch someone so angry and out of touch.

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

shame, too...

he’s a very good writer and I think his article about kerry wood from a few years back is kind of a classic.

the stat hate is irrational and comes off as awfully peevish. his full throated refutation of “moneyball” from the new republic really is wonderful proof that he knows not of what he speaks.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he's got a cool name though.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

NVM

I think this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXHVQ7-d1g

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 11, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

"brawl"

This looked more awkward for the players than anything else :P

by zsiv on Aug 11, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Avery

He’s been pretty good at A+, especially for a 20 year old, but moving him up already. I dont know about this one.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

For those of you drooling over the dry erase HOPA last night

It was a hoax.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/11/elyse-porterfield/

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 8:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Figures.

Still very funny, though.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a stupid hoax

“Oh man, we totally got you guys to click on this link and waste five minutes of your day at work yesterday!! SUCKERZZZ!”

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing you aren't familiar with chive,

but wasting 5 minutes at work is the whole point of that website.

by kba26 on Aug 11, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

She really should get some new headshots

I dont think either of the ones shown there look as good as any of the ones taken for the hoax.

by kba26 on Aug 11, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

she has a strange look

very hot in full-blown HOPA mode, but in those headshots, she looks a little too much like Thora Birch’s less attractive sister.

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The broad smiling in "HPOA mode" helps quite a bit.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um,

to clarify, I’m saying her smile is broad, not calling her a broad.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a really good analogy.

Although the second picture in the article is much more of an Angelina Jolie, and that one is a positive comparison. But I still like the hoax pictures look more.

Might be that I, a guy with glasses, am simply a sucker for chicks with glasses

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 11, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be that I, a guy with glasses, am simply a sucker for chicks with glasses

+1

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

of COURSE it was nobody can play that much farmville

what’s farmville?

by thewaywardO on Aug 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

some dumbass facebook game.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HOPA =

Sexism + dyslexia

or

<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoparx.org%2F&ei=WAhjTPW4HsjQcd6q5JkJ&usg=AFQjCNHg4W6QJ-Co4lSmg5kj-OyT5WkdXA" >

by fishoutawata on Aug 11, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or perhaps it = typo

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

leave the casino

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 11, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i assumed

it was funny anyways

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 11, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I put that Arrieta quote on here

because I liked the sentiment. But now I can’t stop being annoyed at “real happy.”

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

excuse me

“real fun”

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Derek Jeter tipped his cap?

What a loser!

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I bet the Rangers feel real good now..

They are probably going to give up the rest of the season, since they’ve already accomplished a “hat tip” from Douche Jeter.

What up?

by snakethejake on Aug 11, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

do you think...

a ranger replied w/ a fist pump?

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe a roundhouse kick.

Depending on which Ranger replied.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

like Phillips showing some passion

I hate the fight, but I like when a guy can say he hates a team and wants to beat them…

by Rickfansince76 on Aug 11, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

That's all well & good.

But to follow that up by walking up to home plate & knocking the catcher in the shin guard crosses the line, IMO. He already ratcheted up the rhetoric & then started touching guys? He’s begging for someone to deck him.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Tapping the catcher in the legs with his bat? That’s an odd one. I’m surprised nobody’s gotten in his grill before.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's done that every single game against every single opponent

I think it’s badass that he went about his normal routine.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Aug 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's weird, though

Have you ever heard of someone doing that?

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that specifically

but I think there are guys who do weird things like walk between the umpire and the catcher for their abs which a lot of catchers don’t like.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Aug 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did more than that, he called them bitches.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhh

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Aug 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wakamatsu

Gammons propagated this rumor on 105.7FM this morning. Said he wouldn’t be surprised if he was brought in specifically to get Wieters straightened out.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Well he was also Showalter's bench coach in Texas

I suspect that he’d be on the shortlist, wieters or no wieters.

by kba26 on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Randallstown Sonic opens Friday!

http://www.wbaltv.com/r/24591134/detail.html

Strawberry Limeade :)

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I loved Sonic when I could only find it every so often on an exotic trip to the deep South (Virginia)

But since one opened in Hanover, PA (used to travel to that area quite a bit), the shine has worn off and it’s just another crappy fast food joint. I would eat at Wendy’s or Sheetz or Wawa before eating at Sonic.

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh

I don’t want the magic to disappear.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't the magic disappear as soon as you finish eating?

I have a weakness for junk food like anybody else, but whenever I’m done I feel like I just ate a bag of trash. The magic only works for me when I’m hungry.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever actually had food there

Just strawberry limeade and peanut butter-chocolate milkshake.

Fast food almost always makes me feel sick after I eat it, except for Chick-Fil-A. I think I’ve built up a tolerance for it.

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chick-Fil-A is delicious.

I’m pretty sure the “Eat This, Not That” book has them in the “this” column.

If only they were open on Sundays. Freakin’ Mormons…

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Learn somethin' new every day.

Regardless, God wants me to eat chicken on Sundays too.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonic isn't anything special.

We’ve got three (at least) in the city I live in. I haven’t been to one in at least 5 years.

Now get me a Krystal Burger and we’ll talk!

Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes

by IHeartMASN on Aug 11, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jen Royle just tweeted

“Anybody have any questions for Adam Dunn today? They can be non-baseball related. That’s what he’d prefer.”

Has anyone ever hated baseball as much as Adam Dunn?

Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub

by Stacey on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hahahaha! Well played!

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 11, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just watched all 4 homeruns

And they were all crushed, none were hit to shalow parts of the park. Thats great to see Wieters and Pie hitting it that far. Matt now has 3 HR in 45 AB’s since the all star break, maybe his power is translating to the major league level. Rendon wont be needed if we have the real SHJ arrive.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

yay bring on Wakamatsu!

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

KNOWN FACT: nicky is younger than reimold

can i get a HOO HOO?
can i get a WHAT WHUT??
can i get a WIGGY WIGGY???

by thewaywardO on Aug 11, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW

Why no Jay Gibbons talk today. WTF is he doing hitting homeruns again.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

and can be found in every major sports locker room

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, nobody gives a fuck about steroids anymore

poor Rafael Palmeiro was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it's a rebuttal

but really, we’re not talking about old HFK because he’s stupid and not here and still sucks.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

gibby is sporting a 1.220 OPS, 4 for 5 with a HR so far

After tearing up AAA.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s not as musclebound either … still big and strapping … but not ballooning

by thewaywardO on Aug 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's still ugly though.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched some highlights

really quick, compact swing on that homerun

by PhilR8 on Aug 11, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Jay Gibbons.

Hate him. That last year in Balt when he got off the juice he was soooo effing pathetic. I remember arguing with him when he was in left about his .210 batting average thru late summer. Pathetic. I hate that guy.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

argued w/ him?

did you domestically violate him?

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, I saw Uncle Demp walking around concourse at Saturday’s game.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes the leader right now

seeing as two bad starts can ruin one’s ERA, anything can happen

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea one extra win is no justification for the cy young

thats silly talk

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Johnson

is so ridiculously better it’s not even a close call for me.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

"so ridiculously better"

How could these words even be spoken when comparing the two?

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Johnson’s xFIP and FIP are much better than Wainwright.

Wainwright xFIP: 3.78, FIP: 2.95
Johnson: xFIP: 3.11, FIP:2.29.

Personally, Roy Halladay looks like the Cy Young winner. Better FIP and xFIP and FAR better K/BB rate.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

I’m guessing either Halladay or Wainwright gets it on name value and wins, but there’s no question in my mind who is the best pitcher in the NL this year (so far anyway).

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ has a slight better K rate than Halladay

But he beats JJ or is very close on a number of other important statistics. xFIP, FIP, BB/9, and K/9. And then the deal breaker for me is that Roy has pitched 30 more innings than JJ. That’s piratically four more games.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye, matey.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck, you know what I meant or I'll make you walk the plank.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Aug 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have Halladay

at a 2.71 FIP – almost half a run higher than JJ. JJ Ks more and gives up fewer homers.

But the innings thing is a really good point, actually. If that doesn’t change by the end of the year, then it’s got to be Halladay, doesn’t it?

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah fuck, my bad on FIP

And yes, I think I would still vote for Halladay if everything remains constant at the end of the year. xFIP is suppose to be a better anyways because it accounts for hit type (grounder, line drive, fly ball, etc.).

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard that xFIP

is sort of like batter BABiP… xFIP simply corrects for HR/FB to be the ""normal" level of 11% (or so) but I’ve read that a pitcher can have as part of his skillset a lower or higher HR/FB rate (like how a batter can have a career BABiP of .320 or so and that’s not considered flukish).

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought xFIP at least take into account the type of balls hit in sense that flyballs are easier to catch than line drives. A pitcher who gives up more line drives will suffer higher a xFIP. I could be wrong but that’s what I remember reading from the Keith Law brouhaha last year over voting for Javier Vazquez for 2nd on his ballot.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

but I do believe SIERA takes that into account, if you’re into really complicated statistics.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah gotcha.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh absolutely!

xFIP corrects HR/fly ball rate to the expected level

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so we have the rate stats here:

Halladay: 8.17 K/9, 1.07 BB/9, 0.68 HR/9, 50.3 GB%, 2.71 FIP, 2.86 xFIP (9.2 HR/FB%)
Johnson: 9.06 K/9, 2.09 BB/9, 0.29 HR/9, 46.7 GB%, 2.29 FIP, 3.11 xFIP (3.5 HR/FB%)

I think Halladay’s lower BB/9 more than makes up for his lower K/9. He also gets more groundballs, and Johnson’s much lower FIP is just a result of a career-low HR/FB% (he’s normally in the 7.5% – 9.0% range).

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, "so ridiculously better" is so ridiculous.

RK PLAYER TEAM GP GS IP H R ER BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV WHIP ERA
1 Josh Johnson FLA 23 23 155.0 121 36 34 36 156 10 4 0 0 0 1.01 1.97
2 Adam Wainwright STL 24 24 169.1 127 42 39 42 154 16 6 0 0 0 1.00 2.07

So freakin’ close in everything

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

RK PLAYER TEAM GP GS IP H R ER BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV WHIP ERA
1 Josh Johnson…… FLA 23 23 155.0 121 36 34 36 156 10 4 0 0 0 1.01 1.97
2 Adam Wainwright STL 24 24 169.1 127 42 39 42 154 16 6 0 0 0 1.00 2.07

Trying to line it up better.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

at first glance i thought their records were

36-34 with 36 saves and 42-39 and 42 saves

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet

when I compare two pitchers, there’s really only two things I look at:

innings pitched, and FIP

Johnson has a 2.29 FIP in 155 innings.

Wainwright has a 2.95 FIP in 169 innings.

Wainwright’s got more innings for now, but that’s a huuuuuge gap in FIP.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess since I'm not a huge sabermetric guy I lose.

My country bumpkin math simple shows Wainwright having more IP, less BB/9, more strikeouts, 7 more wins, LOWER WHIP (under 1), same ERA.

Its no: (HR x 13 + (BB + HBP – IBB) x 3 – K x 2) / IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2), but it’s worked pretty well for me.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that's cool

but we already know wins are stupid, so that’s gone. I did remark on the innings, but they are closeish for the time being. As for ERA – if a win is meaningless because of its reliance on offense and the bullpen, shouldn’t ERA be discounted because it relies on defense and hitter talent, neither of which the pitcher can control? Similarly, WHIP is a function of walks and hits, and you’ve already listed walks (and they’re a part of FIP) and hits are of course a function of defense and hitter talent, neither of which the pitcher can control.

It isn’t like anybody is saying that Wainwright’s a bad pitcher…but he’s no Josh Johnson.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on....

I can’t even get into FanGraphs at work to do some of my own research. ITS EFFING BLOCKED!

I’m sure you know what you’re talking about, Im just not really on board completely with the whole sabermetric era, although Im sure I will have to convert sooner than later.

Since you are the experty here (not sarcastic), I guess I’ll start at least by checking out FIP and xFIP a little more closely.

But to the naked untrained eye who uses every stat that was ever respected for the past 50 years, they are in a dead heat.

And I still think Wainwright will get it because the MLB simply won’t go to FanGraphs, click on pitching and click “sort by FIP” to determine the winner. Damn purists!

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think Halladay'll get it

but yeah, with that win discrepancy there’s almost no way that Johnson beats Wainwright in the voting, which is too bad.

I’m done trying to convert people or get into stupid arguments over statistics. I’m just saying that this is why I use FIP instead of WHIP. You can believe what you want, it’s all good.

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't being sarcastic

I know its time that I take a closer look at sabermetrics in general, I guess I’ve just been lazy about it. Im a 70-year old man stuck in a 26-year old body. ("I just don’t like change… this is the way we’ve always done it). And I realize we have more advanced tools for truly determining success.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS

This looks awesome: ’Halladay’ll’

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

RK PLAYER TEAM ERA ERC ERC% DIPS DIP% TLOSS PFR BIPA K/9
1 Josh Johnson FLA 1.97 2.02 1.02 2.44 1.24 2 1.24 .273 9.06
2 Adam Wainwright STL 2.07 2.15 1.04 3.02 1.46 3 1.16 .247 8.19

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit... I give up.

I cant line this shit up right.

Im just sayin’ those two are dead tied at this point, and I think Wainwright pull ever-so-slightly ahead today:

7IP, 2H, 0 Runs, 4 Ks, 0 BBs against the number 1 scoring team in the NL.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Adam Jones is apparently blogging weekly for MASN?

http://www.masnsports.com/adam_jones/

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Aug 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

So I caught some postgame clips of Baker and LaRussa

And I lost what little repsect I had for LaRussa. He was bitching that Phillips tapped Molina with his bat while stepping up to the plate. He also tapped the umpire. I mean has he ever watched a professional baseball game? Most leadoff hitters tap the umpire and catcher when they walk to the plate. Fuck that guy. Yea, Phillips’ comments were out of line, but Molina was just being an over sensitive bitch and complained when he conducted a baseball tradition.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’m surprised the Cardinal didn’t just drill him in the back. The pitchers would have then received a warning and that would have been the end of that.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Aug 11, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he was gonna get beaned anyway and knew it....

Probably figured a confrontation with Yadier woulda let to a little shoving and both teams being WARNED so that he didnt have to take a fast one in the ribs.

Or maybe Im wayyyyy off.

I know he does the tap thing all the time, but doing it after calling the 25 guys standing across for you BITCHES is a different beast.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is something, after reading, i will never be able to unthink
I cannot hear the name of the Michigan State basketball coach — "Tom Izzo" — without thinking of Snoop Dogg saying "Tomato."

-http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/steve_rushin/08/11/word.play/index.html?eref=sihp

by kba26 on Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I just read the entire article

And just want to say, that guy was at least 14 beers deep when he was tapping this out on his keyboard.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 11, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

New perspective on the Avery thing

http://baseball.suite101.com/article.cfm/afl_baseballs_hidden_treasure

I’ve been bored at work reading articles, apparently you can only send one player below AA to the AFL. Maybe they move him up so they can send hoes as well

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 11, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

that's a stupid rule

It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.

by Andrew_G on Aug 11, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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