Thursday Open Thread
by Stacey on Aug 12, 2010 9:51 AM EDT
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PrintThose of you in the Baltimore-DC area mostly likely know that we had a huge storm this morning, and it happened to knock out the power in my house, so in addition to waking up late I had to get ready for work in the dark, making it impossible to put together Bird Droppings. Now I'm at work. I clipped these three items yesterday and they're pretty lame, but enjoy them anyway.
George Sherrill is an on-base machine | HardballTalk
Flat Breezy had his first career plate appearance yesterday. He walked. He's got skills.
Why Is Luke Scott Still in Baltimore? | FanGraphs Baseball
A very good question indeed.
Jay Gibbons, Greatest Dodger Ever - True Blue LA
Heh.
Virtual Vensanity: Orioles make magic with Buck Showalter
Felix Pie Likes Felix Pie T-Shirt Day | Camden Crazies
Orioles' Wigginton on waivers - Scoop Du Jour - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
EDIT BY DUCK: I swear, I go on vacation for ONE WEEK and the place falls down around me. Here ya go...
Recaps of yesterday's win can be found at The Sun, Orioles.com, and MASNsports (with post-game Buck).
Orioles notebook: 'Scuffling' rookie Josh Bell puts in extra work - baltimoresun.com
As long as Josh Bell is putting in his work, Buck Showalter will let him play: "You got to have some 'want to' there. He does."
The Schmuck Stops Here: It's official: O's out of the MLB cellar
The Pirates lost, so say it with me: We're #29!
Orioles Insider: They're protecting teammates now, too
These O's throw back.
Orioles Insider: Clubhouse comments after Bergesen's complete-game, two-hitter
Brad Bergesen: "To be honest, the wins, losses aren’t my main focus. My main focus is to go deep in games and keep our team in the ball game. To get that win is great, and I love it. but it’s not a main concern." It's almost like wins are a meaningless stat...
Orioles Insider: Erbe to have surgery to repair torn labrum
So, that's not good news.
Montanez, Johnson to rehab at Bowie | orioles.com: News
"Orioles outfielder Lou Montanez will report to Double-A Bowie and is expected to play in Wednesday night's game, with reliever Jim Johnson joining him on Thursday."
Roberts' back appears to be back | orioles.com: News
"You can see that everything he does right now, he's not thinking about [his back] anymore," Showalter said. "You have to get over mental hurdles about it -- especially when you have some back issues."
Rays notes: Rotation set for Orioles series
"James Shields will make his scheduled start Friday, Andy Sonnanstine will start in Niemann's spot Saturday, and Jeremy Hellickson, who has been sensational in his first two major-league starts, will move up a spot and start Sunday." So, the good news is, we miss David Price. I'm OK with that.
Castrovince: Buck, O's building relationship | MLB.com: News
Here's an article that takes WAAAAAAAY too long to get to the point. And there's a overwrought Seinfeld reference to blame. Gee, didn't see that coming. God, that show still annoys me.
Page 2 updates every MLB logo to more accurately portray each team (AL) - ESPN
Photoshop, in the wrong, is a dangerous thing. Boy, are these bad.
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- Aug. 11
Dean Jones Jr. made my life a lot easier today.
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Brandon Erbe has met
the dreaded Fabrum Bear…
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Okay, I have to ask:
How did this whole meme start?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Which one?
Fabrum bear or blingee?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Fabrum Bear
http://www.camdenchat.com/2008/2/20/21558/0866
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I was just posting that
You suck.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
You shouldn't be so slow about it
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You shouldn't be so jerk about it
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
You should be a more gracious loser
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
ahaha this cracked me up
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Sorry, I hate it when I'm so jerk about things.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Well, you do have that big-city internet connection advantage
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I'm fairly certain Dave has just as much internet juice as I do
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'm running Fios 25 mbps/sec
No complaints
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I don't know what that means
But I trust that it’s good.
Oh last weekend I was in this store and they had this entire section of bacon related stuff. It made me think of you. They had bacon chewing gum, bacon floss, gummy bacon, some other stuff. It was so gross.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Ding ding ding!
We have a winner!
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That disguisting
There’s this guy with a homemade ice cream store in NYC and Hoboken and he makes odd flavors that usually are amazing (like basil ice cream) but he makes bacon ice cream and it makes me want to vomit just seeing it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
eww
I remember reading about some brand of ice cream that was making a meat flavor. Some things don’t belong together!
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Completely agree
like bacon and the edible foods catagory.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I can't really use that excuse
I’m not exactly in the boonies here.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Yeah, but she works for the government
and you know they keep the good shit for themselves.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I used to work for the govmt.
and it sucked. The computers were from the 90s.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I concur
All gov CPUs are just Dell’s washout supply…
Total junk.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Word
It’s like 2002 up in here.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
My wife is at a state college
and gets a new machine every 3 years
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I started working here in August 2005
And the computers were running Windows 2000.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
PennDOT
the Office 2007 experiment didn’t go over well for them. Funny for me, not for them. I never knew you could take an 8-hour course on outlook. This is why you get crap. Not because they can’t, but wasting tax dollars teaching government employees how to send an email doesn’t fit into their budget.
A little off-topic
but my dad once taught an “Internet Basics” online course at CCBC, which I got a kick out of. How do you get to the class if you havent taken it yet?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Windows 2000 is awesome.
We have Vista here. Not XP, not 7: Vista.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
ouch
i’d file a complaint
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's like John Glenn said, I guess
“I guess the question I’m asked the most often is: “When you were sitting in that capsule listening to the count-down, how did you feel?” Well, the answer to that one is easy. I felt exactly how you would feel if you were getting ready to launch and knew you were sitting on top of two million parts — all built by the lowest bidder on a government contract."
Alan Shepard concurred:
“It’s a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one’s safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.”
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Haha, thank you.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It was such a throwaway line
that was so funny and just took off on its own. I still laugh reading that thread, especially SC’s take on Kerry Wood.
“Fuck, that hurt my arm! Let me try that again…”
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
saw my orthopedist this week
… and got results back on an MRI i had last week.
i have an overly aggravated rotator cuff in my left shoulder, but it’s not torn. then he looked closer at the MRI and said, “you do, however, have a small labrum tear.”
it was all I could do to keep from saying, “NO, NOT THE FABRUM BEAR!!” to his face.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
You should have!
He probably would have gotten a kick out of it.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Just got the good news
downtown Wheaton has no power. NO WORK TODAY!
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I lost power too
At least it wasn’t for 36 hours this time.
"If you’re not in with the Orioles, then you can ply your trade somewhere else." - Buck Showalter
Welcome to the Thursday Dodger droppings!!!
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Well... that joke was alot better when only three articles were posted
And two of them were Dodgerish
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Fontenot is back in orange and black
but he’s with old Aubrey now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Thank you, duck!
I am clearly not qualified to handle these early morning duties, although this time I at least have nature as an excuse.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Yeah, you get a pass on this one
Kinda hard to make computers work when there’s no electricity.
And I’ll do MON and TUES around 9:00-9:30, then back to the earlier AM schedule Wednesday. Our 3 week swim team break comes to an end…
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I don't know about all that....
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Love the updated O's logo
but the NL ones are way funnier than the AL ones as a whole. The Pirates, Dodgers, Brewers, & D-Backs in particular.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Ugh, just in case you didn't hate Rob Dibble enough already
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/08/rob_dibble_amazed_by_women_at.html
“Those ladies right behind there, they haven’t stopped talking the whole game,” Rob Dibble said in the sixth inning of Wednesday night’s Nats broadcast. “They have some conversation going on. Right here,” he said, circling the offenders. “There must be a sale tomorrow going on here or something….Their husbands are going man, don’t bring your wife next time.”
But really, read the whole thing. What an a-hole.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
yeah what kind of jerks talk through THE WHOLE GAME DIBBLE?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
by Andrew_G on Aug 12, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well men talk through the game about the game
I’m sure the only women who talk about the game are discussing which player has the cutest butt.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
fuck that
Men talk through the game about non-game related shit too.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Of course it was snark
Everyone talks during a baseball game, and sometimes it’s about baseball, sometimes it isn’t. But because it’s women, Dibble assumes it’s about shopping and not the game. Meanwhile I was at a game this summer where I listened to two men gossip about some other man in their office that they hate for about four innings.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
are you sure that was two other men?
Because that sure sounds like you. You love talking about that Dido-listening dude.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
yeah I can't stand that dude
But I wasn’t talking about him at the baseball game. And even if I was, fuck you Rob Dibble, I still know more about baseball than 90% of the people in the stadium.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I bet Dibble thinks the same thing
he played the game, you know. What did you ever do besides make dinner, do the wash, and buy shoes and bras?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I'm obviously getting too much enjoyment
out of this conversation, and now I feel bad for being so misogynistic.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
On Dibble's radio show
If someone calls in to disagree with him, he gets angry and 1) asks when they ever played baseball, and 2) challenges them to a fight.
And duh, I also stay home and raise the kids.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Rob Dibble teaches 10 year old LL kids
not to shake hands after a game. That’s fine for hockey, which is more of a gentlemen’s sport, but has no place in baseball. He tells his LL kids they better not shake the hand of an opponent after a game.
I didn’t make up ANY of that. That’s courtesy of Rob Dibble, earlier this year, on XM Radio.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
What a douche.
He’s a douche regardless, but that’s seriously messed up.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
If Rob Dibble
was to relief pitching was Billy Smith was to goaltending, then he could get away with it.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
lol my bad
I should wait an hour after waking up before posting anything.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I wonder if it ever occurred to him that women can go see a game of their own accord.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 12, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
well, only if its on the way back home from the mall
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I guess the new Nats stadium is one of those mallparks...
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Without a chaperone and a burka?
I’m sure he wouldn’t approve.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Is that true?
Are they also allowed to wear shoes?
by fishoutawata on Aug 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder why Dibble had such an acrimonious divorce
Seems like he respects women. Can’t imagine why it didn’t work out.
oh, that dibble, he sure is a jokester.
It’s good that he’s complaining about the 2 women that obviously aren’t there to watch a game, especially since he’s putting all his energy into talking about the game…no, wait, he’s talking about 2 women sitting in the front row.
Moron.
Oh come on now....
I would be willing to bet every cent that the percentages of women talking baseball at baseball games are a jillion times less than guys talking baseball at baseball games. Thats not sexist, it’s just true. Guys are statistically WAY WAY WAYYYYYY more into sports. Stacey, 2632 and others are exceptions to the rule. We often get a couples trip together to go to the games (like 6 of my buddies and their gfs and wives) and they dont really give a hoot about the game… they just like the “ballpark experience”.
Of course, I’m normally more concerned with where the beer vendor is.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Effin beer vendors are never around when you need them....
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I always end up settling for like a Heineken or something because Im sick of waiting.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
One day OPACY will fill up all the time again and there will be vendors everywhere.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It always seems to be the peanut guy or the wrong beer guy around when I want one.
No I don’t want a Coors Lite. I prefer my weak, obnoxiously expensive beer to come in Bud Light form…
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha... its always such a tease
You are DYING for a beer (or three) and you see the vendor charging down in your peripherals, only to see he has a basket full of cracker jacks.
I mean, who spends 5 bucks on cracker jacks anymore?
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The damn lemonade dude has walked past 5 times already and his rack is still full........
Nobody wants any of that shit. Make yourself useful and go get a crate of beer already!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure he wishes he could
But ya gotta put in your time with the lemonade and CrackerJack before you get to sell beer.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Just make sure
you don’t get peanuts from the stand Chico & Harpo are running, or lemonaide from the guy they were hassling.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
That's not the point, dude
The point is that Rob Dibble notices that two women are having a conversation behind home plate and cares enough to point out that they must be talking about shopping, there must be a sale, maybe they’re filming some reality TV. Yes, proportionately more men care about sports than women. But it’s attitudes like that, shit like that, that make women who might be interested in caring or learning scared to try because assholes like Rob Dibble have cultivated an environment where it’s assumed women would rather talk about shopping.
Fuck that. Fuck people thinking that and thinking it’s cute to say shit like that.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I don't watch any Nats games so I don't really know much about Dibble really
But since everyone else on here thinks he’s the douche of all douches, then he must be.
The snarky comment was stupid, but I dont think its a “gross generalization”. Just because you “know plenty of guys and girls that dont care” doesnt mean it’s even.
Go check out how many women (as a percentage) are playing fantasy football. And what percentage of THOSE even update their teams.
Quite frankly, I dig a chick who’s into sports…. there just aren’t alot of them (percentage-wise).
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT % OF WOMEN LIKE SPORTS
If that’s what you’re taking away from this I don’t know what to tell you.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I know
I agreed with ya’. His snarky comment was douchey. No reason to say it…
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
For some reason I decided to mostly reply to Andrew in your reply….. Im a douche too.
Most of my ‘rebuttal’ was refuting that my statement was a gross generalization when I don’t feel it is.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, stop being a wiener
i’m not even sure where this point about gross generalizations is even relevant. he just assumed that those women were talking about shopping. that’s what annoying. they could very well be talking about shopping, but he just assumed.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
He can't help it, it's in his name
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
that's such a gross generalization that....it's gross
I know plenty of girls and guys both who couldn’t give less of a darn about any sports, and vice versa. Heck, my mom is as responsible as anybody for getting me into sports.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
False
That its a “gross generalization”. Its the truth, plain and simple. And no ‘xFIP’ stat is gonna talk me out of it.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
hijack this thread
I saw this tidbit from Rob Neyer. Halladay baby!
At the moment, Halladay leads the National League in complete games, shutouts, strikeouts, walk ratio and strikeout-to-walk ratio. About that last … his 7.64 strikeout-to-walk ratio blows away his previous career best (6.38, eight seasons ago). Halladay’s record (14-8) isn’t brilliant, but he’s been the best pitcher in the National League this season (which is really saying something, considering the stiff competition from Adam Wainwright and Josh Johnson). And there’s no reason to think he won’t continue to rank among the league’s very best pitchers. Not with that new changeup.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
yeah I saw that
and I was all like “Well I feel stupid for saying Josh Johnson yesterday”. Live and learn.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
in case you're interested
Keith Law’s take in his chat today.
Jake (NY): Who would you choose for Cy Young Wainwright or Johnson?
Klaw (1:12 PM): Johnson or Halladay. Probably Doc, Johnson, Wainwright in that order right now.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Its the truth, plain and simple.
What a load of unmitigated crap.
Go check out how many women (as a percentage) are playing fantasy football. And what percentage of THOSE even update their teams.
Has nothing to do with being a sports fan. Zero.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
ESPN's Page 2 is one of those things where I wonder how the people involved keep drawing paychecks.
If you take out the contributions of Bill Simmons, who used to be and sort of vaguely still is connected, I don’t think there’s been anything funny there in something like eight years.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
O's close to deal with Dan Klein
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/08/os_nearing_deal_with_klein.html
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
He would join Flacco and Hobgood in Salisbury right?
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
probably go to Aberdeen
if he even gets in game time, I’d be mildly surprised. When’s the last time he pitched? the CWS?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Knowing my luck, he'll go straight to Frederick
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
yeah, i would guess they'd shut him down for the rest of the year,
maybe send him to the arizona fall league.
thanks for repeating
i missed it the first time
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 12, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
excuses, excuses
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 12, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm watching the Mets game
Jose Reyes is an amazing Base-runner. He hit what looked to be a single, but ended up getting a double. Man I wish we had him…..
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
Off Topic
I just discovered Cookies and Creme Pop Tarts. That was a taste explsion of goodness.
On Topic:
Go O’s.
cookies and creme is good for everything
I would put it on steak if I could.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
That and a nice cold can of Buckwieser would make an amazing meal.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Can? CAN?????
You people are barbarians. Beer comes in only two acceptable ways: bottle or draft. That’s the way God intended it.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
get with the times old man
The breweries say the cans protect a craft beer’s delicate flavor, save money and are less harmful to the environment. Many drinkers are bellying up to the trend—and some have completely embraced it.
And it STILL tastes like metal
I don’t care what fancy-dancy liners they use. Beer out of a can tastes horrible.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I'm not thinking about
whether I’m being “harmful to the environment” when I drink a damn beer. Stupid eco-fascists.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
yeah!
Stupid fascists who want to prevent world and human destruction!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
you can't save the world
by reducing our quality of life. It just won’t work.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
haha
yeah why should we sacrifice at all to save our own world?! Better to just live it up while we’re here!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I mean
it sounds good…but people en masse won’t make big sacrifices to do something as vague as stop global warming, even if they all agree that it’s happening.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
hell
we’re not even willing to pay higher taxes while fighting two wars.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
hells no
people need incentive, and it needs to be stronger the more direct the sacrifice is on their everyday life. I can’t ride a bike to work, but if someone were giving me an extra 1000 dollars a week to do it, you bet I’d give it a real go.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
yeah
but the same people who bitch about higher taxes while fighting two wars will jump up and down yelling and screaming about the deficit if you try to pay people to ride their bikes to work.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I dont even think I have the energy to go here
Since its my Friday and Ive already been controversial today.
So, go ahead… bash all you want.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they're bitching at me, actually :)
You ain’t the token conservative on this one. I got your back.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
i got both your backs, but I don't really
have the energy to go diving into that with those two right now.
I could care less about the environment
The fact is that it protects the beer better than bottles from the light. Also you say draft is better, but explain to me why beer in a keg is any different from beer in a can?
Kegs are magic
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
meh
unless you are tapping a keg directly and drinking it all in one night – maybe, but there is a lot that goes into getting tasty beer out of a keg at a bar and chances are they are not doing it right.
sure, there are stale kegs out there
all things even, a keg will beat a can in terms of freshness.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
there is no difference
except the way it gets carbonated. However, at the bar, the freshness is instantly affected by running the beer through the lines which could be long, un-insulated, and/or dirty. The beer in the can goes right to your mouth. The fact that a can is smaller at no point changes the freshness of the beer. I say we go try to prove each other wrong.
Show me evidence recycling actually
produces a net gain in energy, and I’ll sign on. The Inconvenient Truth is most recycling programs consume more energy & $$$ than they ever produce.
And trees are just corn with a longer life span. You think Georgia Pacific doesn’t plan more than they harvest? Now, old growth forests I get protecting. But “Save the Trees” sounds as stupid to me as “Save the Corn!”
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Don't get me started...
on fucking corn subsidies. Talk about propping up an industry for no good reason.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sugar called, and says Corn is an amateur
Then Milk called and everyone else just hung their heads in shame.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
But oh Lord...
talk about reducing the amount of money paid by the Feds to prop up market prices and then you’re a goddamned pinko.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Leave the free market alone! Except for all the intrusions that we’re already doing that I’m a fan of, of course.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You know,
this really oversimplifies the issue. You can want less government intervention in the market, or believe it’s inappropriate in certain areas, without wanting to be 100% laissez-faire.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Unfortunately, the two prominent parties
seems to want an “all or none” approach. Neither of which works long-term.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Yeah, it's weird.
Republicans often talk like near-pure laissez-faire types, and then spend only a little less than Democrats. Democrats often talk about social programs on European levels or greater, and then don’t do have of what they say they’re going to.
So we end up in the middle, but it’s all a mess of political compromise and favors and pork, rather than a coherent approach of trying to see which policies actually work well.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Sure you can
but then say that. Don’t just give us bullshit about a free market. Explain why you think farm subsidies are just fine, but we can’t dare regulate the financial markets.
I’m not the one who’s oversimplifying it – it’s our elected officials who don’t want to talk details.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Mostly because our elected officials don't understand economics.
Nobody does, really — understanding economics involves admitting that there’s a ton you can’t know, let alone control.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Hahaha.
At least this political thread’s been civil and calm.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
and it would also involve admitting
that a lot of things that we’re doing don’t make economic sense.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh, I think both sides agree on that,
it’s just disagreement about what those things are, and what should be done instead.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I once...
attended a lecture about the way efficient markets work when investors behave rationally. The speaker told us we were better off going home, as neither actuallty exist.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? here you go
Recycling 1 ton of paper saves 17 mature trees, 7,000 gallons of water, 3 cubic yards of landfill space, 2 barrels of oil, and 4,100 kilowatt-hours of electricity — enough energy to power the average American home for five months
Recycling paper instead of making it from new material generates 74 percent less air pollution and uses 50 percent less water.
Producing recycled paper requires about 60 percent of the energy used to make paper from virgin wood pulp.
Recycling aluminum saves 95% of the energy needed to produce new aluminum from raw materials. Energy saved from recycling one ton of aluminum is equal to the amount of electricity the average home uses over 10 years.
Recycling one aluminum can saves enough energy to run a 100-watt bulb for 20 hours, a computer for 3 hours, or a TV for 2 hours.
Recycling aluminum saves 95% of the energy used to make the material from scratch. That means you can make 20 cans out of recycled material with the same amount of energy it takes to make one can out of new material. Energy savings in 1993 alone were enough to light a city the size of Pittsburgh for six years.
Americans throw away enough aluminum every month to rebuild our entire commercial air fleet.
Recycling steel and tin cans saves 74% of the energy used to produce them.
When you toss out one aluminum can you waste as much energy as if you’d filled the same can half-full of gasoline and poured it into the ground.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Source?
And nowhere in those stats does it say that recycling produces more energy than it consumes, unless I missed it.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Fair to ask for a source.
But I don’t recall you backing up your claims, either.
by fishoutawata on Aug 12, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm magic
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
but what's the point of comparing that?
The comparison should be the amount of energy conserved by using recycled products compared to the amount of energy required to make those recycled products + the amount of energy required to make the non-recycled products they are taking the place of. Don’t get me wrong – recycling of some materials is inefficient, but I think that governments/researchers have determined that you get a lot more people to recycle by broadening the items that can be recycled rather than limiting them to only the ones that are recycled very efficiently like aluminum. I think there’s also a really wide spectrum of how efficiently different areas handle recycling. Obviously some are terrible and losing money and energy, but I think some places do it really well. It’s also a really tough thing to quantify – obviously there’s a cost to running a recycling program, but do the jobs created pick up some of that tab? On the other hand are jobs lost because of decreased non-recycled production?
From my perspective, there’s obviously a debate to be had about whether it saves or costs money, but given that there seem to be valid arguments on both sides I think the environmental impacts tip the scales for me.
As far as sources there are literally a billion websites if you just google recycling facts:
http://www.recycling-revolution.com/recycling-facts.html
http://www.oberlin.edu/recycle/facts.html
http://www.headwatersrecycle.com/why.html
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think the whole man-made global warming thing is way overblown,
but yeah, I’ve always been under the impression that recycling aluminum and paper, at least, is generally worth it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I like cans
I usually buy bottles for the house but I don’t take offense to getting served a can. And some beer I’ve found I much prefer canned. I bought bottled Tecate once. Never again. Cans only.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I can only drink cheap beer out of cans
I got PBR bottles once and it just felt sooo wrong. But its basically always got to be bottles or draft for me.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
but, for some reason...
high life seems perfect out of the bottle.
fond of pbr and bush in a can. dale’s pale ale is an excellent canned beer.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Aug 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How in the hell am I supposed to shotgun a beer out of a bottle?
I enjoy beer in whatever transportable form it comes in.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to stick a straw down in it.
Duh.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Beer through a straw....sadly, I have done this before....
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
me, too
it was a twisty straw, and I was at a wedding.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
My memories of my friends weddings is.......fuzzy at best....
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I have used a straw to drink beer that's not what I meant.
Stick the straw in the beer and drink it normally with the straw to the side and the air effect works the same as shot gunning from a can.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhh, interesting.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You should try this immediately.
Be sure to make sure that the straw is all the way into the bottle though.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'm at work, so it'll have to wait till I get home. But...
I have a sneaking suspicion that I’ll just end up with a face full of beer if I try this. I’ll try and get one of my unsuspecting friends to try it out first.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, ye have little faith.
You will want a bendy straw though. Or use a lighter to get a 45* bend in your straw.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl2VSWFI7Iw&feature=related
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 12, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Boh tastes better from a can.
Fact.
"If you’re not in with the Orioles, then you can ply your trade somewhere else." - Buck Showalter
Yes. I have drank them many times.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
also a six pack is $3.99 at my neighborhood liquor store
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
hmmm sounds delicious
I’m a cinnamon and brown sugar fan
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
only came in the 12 pack
i was debating but I made the right call. o/u is set at 6 on how many i eat before i leave at 5. I’m at 2 so far.
I had those this morning. They are like Jesus and Breakfast mixed together.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like those, but personally I think the hot fudge sundae poptarts are better.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i was looking at those too
but i went with the C&C. Next time I will give em a try. thanks for the heads up
You just discovered?
Your life has been empty.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 12, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
We need to lose a few more games and the Pirates need to go on a huge winning streak.
"Amber has quick hands." ~ Joe Angel, 4/8/10
BANNED!!!
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
neither of those things are going to happen, so.....
Deal with it.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll just be a real kick in the ass
If the Pirates get Rendon and he turns into one of the best young 3B in baseball, and we lost out on him because of 1/2 a game. Yeah, the #2 player probably won’t be too bad, but still.
"Amber has quick hands." ~ Joe Angel, 4/8/10
Wanna see the odds on a #1 pick turning into an All-Star?
Because that’ll shoot some .50 cal. holes in your theory.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
To quote Dandy Don Meredith...
“If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts, then we’d all have a merry Christmas”
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 12, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that be...
something if he doesn’t sign?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping for it
just so I can make fun of the Nats more.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well they picked a kid...
with obvious red flags. Strasburg, at least, had been humbled upon his arrival at SDSU (the story of him once being so out of shape he was called Slothburg is hilarious). Harper – nothing but LeBron style hype.
Besides, he’s already been drafted first overall. Literally no place to go but down.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you know
That if we win out, we might still make the play-offs?
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
So, guys...
I hate to even bring this up, because it feels like heresy, but… is Jim Palmer in the Hall of Fame more because of the Orioles’ outstanding defense behind him than his actual pitching acumen?
I noticed that his career K/9 was only 5.0, and started looking into his stats… and everything’s pretty average. Slightly better than average BB%, XBH%, and HR%, but slightly worse than average K%, and much more flyball-prone than average.
Granted, he was very durable… 43rd all-time in innings pitched. And he deserves serious props for never letting upa grand slam. But, well, if you look at him from a defense-independent perspective… he just doesn’t seem that good. Daniel over at Camden Crazies talked about this a while ago, but I almost wonder if it understates the case. What am I completely missing about Palmer?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
he played in a lot of world series
and the era he pitched in valued ERA and wins uber alles…but yeah, he was probably overrated by playing on so many strong offensive and defensive clubs. Not that I’m complaining.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
What are you missing?
He was really fuckin’ good for a really long time.
I don’t care how good your D is behind you, 10 shutouts in one year shows the guys could pitch.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
well, he's # 39 all time in WAR among pitchers
and among pitchers eligible for the Hall of Fame, only Rick Reuschel ranks ahead of him and is not a member. He had two 7+ win seasons, and four more that were 6+ wins.
But he probably wasn’t quite as good as we believed, because he had Brooks, Belanger, Grich, Blair, Cal, etc. behind him at different times of his career.
Right,
but note where almost all his runs above average come from: giving up fewer hits, extra-base hits, and runs than average (if I’m reading that table correctly). All those depend mostly on his defense, according to DIPS theory.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, i have trouble figuring out the baseball projection WAR, and separating DIPS,
but even going from fangraphs, he always had good FIP’s, sometimes fantastic FIP’s, and he threw a ton of innings
Yeah,
I wish I could tell what average FIP was in that era, but I don’t see a way to figure that out easily. His HR/9 is really low (by modern standards), which I’m guessing is the main reason his FIP is so low (by modern standards).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Whoops.
Of course, right after I post that, I discover that FanGraphs’s charts actually have MLB averages on them. Not for FIP, but for most of the rate stats.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yep, that would be my guess too.
and even if he was a flyball pitcher, if he pitched below his xFIP (not listed on fangraphs, but we can guess it would be higher for a flybal pitcher) for that many years, it would suggest he had a skill for getting weak flyballs, specifically IFFB’s.
Man, I wish we had the data for back then that we record now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, me too
i’ve tried to figure out the Palmer vs. Amazing O’s defense before, and I’ve come down on Palmer was very, very good, but not as great as we thought.
Although I might be a homer.
Sounds good to me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
cool sidenote,
Palmer pitched to 4 of the top 12 defensive players in terms of Fielding Runs Saved in baseball history. According to fangraphs, Brooks is 1st, Belanger 2nd, Cal 9th, and Blair 12th. So yeah, that probably didn’t hurt his ERA.
so, I just wanted to look at how good Grich was on defense, because I've always heard
good things, but never checked him out on Fangraphs before…and how the hell is he not a HOFer? He put up 74 WAR? Maybe that’s common knowledge, but I had never heard that before.
Probably 'cause his average is too low (.266).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, im sure that's probably the main reason,
I was just stunned when I looked down and saw that.
he's one of those fringe cases
that got totally screwed over by the voters, but I wholely endorse.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
74 WAR is not really a fringe case, I'd put fringe at low 60's
His counting stats aren’t great, and he had a low BA, but 74 WAR is more than Ozzie Smith.
well I mean
he’s considered a fringe case because of said average and counting stats.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Durability...
If memory serves, he was a lot more dominant earlier in his career, much higher K/9, when he relied more on his fastball. Later on, as his physical gifts diminished, he lost velocity, and he mixed it up more, he was not as dominant but still quite good. If you look at career totals/averages, you miss just how good he was early. 3 Cy Youngs don’t lie. At least at times, and for whole seasons, he was that good.
BTW, independent of stats & skills, there is value to the team, and that is hard to argue. Example: Cal. Certainly not the best offensive player or defensive SS of his time, but a no-doubter just the same.
by fishoutawata on Aug 12, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And defensively,
trails only Mark Belanger and Ozzie Smith in career TotalZone runs saved as a shortstop.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
most people don't realize this, but you could make a solid argument that
Ozzie was the only SS who was a better defender than Cal. He’s easily a top 5 in history defensive SS. His offense wasn’t as good, mostly because of a career OBP around league average, but it’s still among the top 10 in offensive SS’s. Put it together and he was probably behind only Honus Wagner and (if he had continued playing SS) A-Rod historically.
well, sure
but we don’t really know about, say, Honus Wagner’s defensive skills. And, as I said, Cal’s On-base skills might’ve only been average, but his power redefined the position for a couple years.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Well, I judge Cal by Total Zone, and he is well ahead of Honus Wagner in Total Zone,
however, Wagner was a much better hitter. Wagner was the best SS of all time, and the only argument you can say to that is it was a completely different era of baseball.
http://www.fangraphs.com/careerleaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&type=6&min=1000
I like TotalZone,
but I can’t tell how large a grain of salt to take with it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't think it's perfect, but I do think it's better than anything else we have.
Plus, it usually correlates pretty well with players we knew were great defenders. TotalZone loves Brooks, Ozzie, Belanger, Andruw Jones, etc. So I wouldn’t place my life on it at any one point, but over a career it seems like it usually gets it right.
Yeah, that's my general impression.
When I first discovered it, I was just thrilled by how much it loves Cal and hates Jeter.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Oh, I'm not trying to say I don't think he was a good pitcher.
His career BB/9 is inflated by really bad years at the beginning and end of his career, which is a significant part of why he doesn’t look as good in career numbers, so you’re right there. His K/9 was never much above 6.0, though… but that would still be above average during those years, so you have a point there, too. Might be another case of longevity obscuring dominance, at least to some extent.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I think the general HoF debate
comes down to either having a really, really high peak, or having a terribly large amount of very good years, and if you just look at Palmer’s peak, its really, really hard to say this man wasn’t a HoFer.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Yeah...
While his K/9 and BB/9 aren’t that impressive, even at his peak (though again, his BB/9 at his peak is better than I realized) I think I’m not giving him enough credit for limiting home runs. Just looked again and the FanGraphs chart for his HR/9 vs. the league average, and he’s significantly better than league average for most of his peak.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah, and we just don't know enough about whether that was luck, park factors,
or a less-researched skill. The fact that he was able to do it over 5-6 years makes me think he had a skill to limit HR’s, but we would probably need batted-ball data to know for sure.
Yeah, that's my thinking.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ugh, just got a call from someone trying to convince me to go to a Glenn Beck rally
It took every ounce of strength that i have just to hang up on him.
I told my father-in-law...
about the rally (he was actually there in 1963) and the look on his face made me incredibly sad. Beck, Palin, etc. know this is like a big fucking deal and it pisses me off that they are claiming this is somehow not a political event.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries
It takes a lot to get a rise from me, believe you me. I simply think it’s an over-generalization to say “most women don’t like sports, so the ones who do go probably are just hanging out and aren’t caring”…and you don’t. The world is a good place because people disagree (peacefully).
No worries, friend
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
We're cool
I mean, I disagree with you, but it’s America, man.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Anyone going to the Raven game tonight?
Im making the hike out from Leesburg…. can’t freaking wait!
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 12, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
I'm way more excited then I should be.
I just really miss Ray Rice, even if he’ll be get like 5 carries before he just chills out so he doesn’t get injured.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I love telling people this
even though it’s stupid, but my girlfriend’s best friend ran track with Ray Rice in high school. Also my girlfriend’s dad used to run around telling people that his youngest daughter won the high school athlete of the year for softball pitching when Ray Rice was a senior, but I find that story to be highly suspect.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
A good HS SB pitcher
can throw an ERA of 0.50 and 12 Ks a game. Not unheard of. It’s one of the reasons HS mounds go back 3 feet this coming year. A great SB pitcher can be dominant in HS in ways almost no other athlete can be in team sports. Even a great BBall player accounts for maybe 33-50% of his/her team’s offense. A great running back doesn’t stop the other team for scoring (usually). But a dominant pitcher in softball or baseball can simply shut down another team completely.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
and pitch everyday
my girlfriend’s sister got a full ride to Villanova, but quit after a year and a wrist surgery. Damn shame.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
And that's why SB pitcher can be Athlete of the Year
Dunbar had a 14 year old girl throw every inning in 18 wins and took them to the Md Class A Final Four. Can’t do that in baseball.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I question this.
At least from my memory, it’s rare for a great RB not to play both ways. I’d imagine because they’re such great athletes that you can’t justify taking them off the field.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 12, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Once you get past the small school classifications
Most HS FB coaches are loathe to risk injury to a truly stud RB. There’s usually somebody else that can be adequate.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 12, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From Peter Gammons on Twitter
He makes a really good point:
If Texas hadn’t gone above “slot” on Smoak and Beavans they wouldn’t have Cliff Lee and be legitimate postseason contenders.
Looks like the O’s are more than willing to go above slot, as Narron and now Klein are proving.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Jim Callis predicted the O's could be the top spenders in the top 10 this year
though I think the Nats would probably break that particular bank if they sign all of their guys
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
3 straight series wins.
When was the last time we did that? I don’t remember that happening since I’ve been paying close attention to the O’s (2008)
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
I would imagine it happened in 2005 some time, if not sooner than that
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody see
Melvin Mora’s grand slam last night?
Wigglypuff uses Walk Off. Papelbon faints. -Jakattak88
The entire NL West is filled with former O's.
melmo, huff, gibbons, miggi and rodrigo lopez. I find it to be quite humorous.+
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 12, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And people wonder why the AL is better
Because guys who couldn’t cut it on the ORIOLES can still play in the NL.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I literally cannot believe
that Rodrigo Lopez is still in the league.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
i was more shocked to find Bruce Chen with a spot in KC
even if they are KC
Rodrigo Lopez?
Who’s he playing for? The Diamondbacks?
Wigglypuff uses Walk Off. Papelbon faints. -Jakattak88
Yep.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 12, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please tell me why
in this age of computers, people have to hand address wedding invitations? Print out some labels and be done with it!
That is what I’ll be doing with my evening instead of watching the game. Rob Dibble would approve.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
It's much more personal.
Sentimental and old-fashioned thinking perhaps, but it’s one of those areas where I get it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Man, you'd hate what we did
My fiance drew up the invites and wrote them out, then we used a small hand printer (a Gocco) to make one copy at a time. Took a long time, but they came out looking so cool and hand-made.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 12, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and then she watercolored them by hand...
yeah, she’s pretty awesome. :-)
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 12, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So i'm thinking of hunting down people who steal from the NFL by watching games free online
I may just start tonight with the Saints/Pats game. Anyone know a website where I may find these evildoers? Preferably a site with decent feeds (so I can catch the really bad people of course)?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I used to do this for baseball games
I did it for a very short time (maybe a month), but there is some program called TVAnts that allows you to watch all kinds of video feeds. There was even an entire forum dedicated to listing where and when you could find every sporting event imaginable. I found all this relatively easily through google, but I have since lost all specific URLs etc, but if you google “TVants” and go from there, you could probably be watching something in an hour or so.
I use a decent Sweedish site while I'm out at school.
Sometimes they start a little late (I’ve missed the opening series or 2), and the NFL does shut down the feeds every once in a while, but they typically are reposted pretty quick. I watched pretty much all my football games on there (living in Chicago is not helpful when trying to watch the Ravens).
http://atdhe.net/
If at all possible, I would find a Veetle feed (they say ‘Veetle’ in parentheses after the link) and use those. You have to download some sort of Veetle program, but they’re typically must more reliable and of higher quality. Furthermore, I watched a ton of hockey games on that site. In general, it’s simply a beautiful, beautiful website for any sports fan.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 12, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Britt Ghiroli
#orioles agreed to terms w 3rd rd pick RHP Dan Klein
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Hooray!
Now make Machado happen and i’m pretty damn satisfied with this draft.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd like to see
Alex Gonzalez signed, too…if for no other reason than that we could then trade him for Yunel Escobar, right?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
i have been lurking on daily candy for weeks.
i have NO CLUE what’s going down over there.
by thewaywardO on Aug 12, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
FUCK did we lose? how weird is that? i blame wieners.
by thewaywardO on Aug 12, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
oh fuck wrong thread. put these shits in the game thread.
by thewaywardO on Aug 12, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
rec to all of wayward's posts
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
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