Friday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Aug 13, 2010 9:11 AM EDT
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Tillman or Britton might get a look
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Steve Melewski: As the signing deadline nears, a Q and A with Joe Jordan
Jordan is not optimistic that they'll sign Dixon Anderson or Matthew Bywater, drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds.
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Just a point of clarification on Bywater & Dixon....
Jordan’s quote suggests that that getting BOTH signed may not happen, but one or the other could happen.
“As far Bywater and Dixon Anderson. You know we are working those things, but I’m not overly optimistic that we sign both of them.”
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
eh
I stopped believing Joe Jordan until after the draft. We signed Givens after he basically did this exact same thing with him last year.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
yeah, thats kinda my take from this too.
I think he knows who he will definitely get signed and anyone who he thinks there’s a chance might not sign he’ll tell us he’s not optimistic, which is the way it should be for the scouting director.
Anderson's ceiling is higher
They really need to sign both, and not doing so really isn’t acceptable.
I don’t actually believe anything Jordan says, particularly to MASN, about signings, but this shit about “backup plans” is a total con.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
plus his name is Dixon
which is a way more awesome name than Bywater.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
everyone will say baywater
and nobody wants to drink bay water…
then again its probably better than schuylkill river water. where my philly peeps at???
i get hepatitis just looking at it.
you would probably get a STD if you swam in it. Good reason not to join crew.
Even walking over it every day is probably bad for my health
its rare theres no oil slick covering at least half of it
i highly doubt that the schuykill river water is worse than the inner harbor water
u’d need a hazmat suit to go swimming in there
nope, but i've seen the inner harbor
which is why i said i highly doubt
I'll defer to Philly O's expertise below
but I’ve seen both very recently and at least visually the Schuykill is more disgusting.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
i did Hydrographic surveying for the corp in baltimore
and I will put them in this order (from best to hazmat):
susquehanna (before it gets to the harbor)
inner harbor
schuykill
potomic
if you spotted a floater – you got the rest of the day off.
What's crazy is how clean the potomac is in West VA.
you can basically drink out of it, like the indians did.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
see Dixon is an awesome first name,
but Bywater is an awesome last name. Last name wins out.
meh
eh – ceiling schmeiling.
but yeah I agree both would be nice. however if I had to choose I would go with Bywater.
Yeah, who cares about having great players, right?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't think that failing to get worked up over draft picks = not caring about having great players.
Just that the damns I have to give about the world in general and baseball in particular are not so plentiful that I have any to spare about draft picks.
I get your ongoing contention that the team needs to acquire potential assets and develop them into actual assets (either by trade or with the actual major league club) and the best way to do this is to have a lot of them. I’m not going to say that 6th or 7th round picks have no value, because I did look and see our recent 6th-7th rounders and I know that list includes Jason Berken, Joe Mahoney and Caleb Joseph. So sure, I don’t think there’s any argument that the value of an unsigned draft pick is zero, and the value of a signed draft pick is non-zero.
I guess I’m just willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this team or any team when it comes to the marginal picks, because it seems pretty routine that the team gets a number from the player and includes that in considering where to pick them. Yet it’s also part of the process that sometimes the player changes their mind, wants more money, whatever. At some point I think as a matter of negotiation you just have to draw a line to where too much is too much, and it doesn’t have anything to do with the budget so much as it does that the player just isn’t worth what they say they want to sign.
It’s not like we’re drafting on a shoestring budget any more. The pocketbook is open and we’re being aggressive on getting some overslot guys. One of them is pitching in our big league rotation right now. The money is there to sign guys. At some point it’s not about the Orioles and it’s about whether the guys want to play professional baseball for a fair amount commensurate with their talent and potential.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, no, it doesn't. Of course, that's not what I said
I said that not caring about the ceiling of prospects = not caring about having great players. And for that matter, it wasn’t in response to anything you said.
This is a different conversation than about signing picks, although it is also one that I’ve had here many times before – tools matter. Matt Bywater is a nice enough arm, another Zagone type, a college lefty who throws strikes and might become a usable back-end starter or LOOGY. Dixon Anderson is a big sophomore-eligible righthander with a plus 92-94 fastball, two breaking pitches and a splitter, and has a lot more potential. Anderson is a much more valuable arm than Bywater, period.
That said, as far as your point goes, I just don’t agree. As I’ve said before, and as many many others have as well, all players are bargains in the draft because the draft depresses their value. Whatever amount of money they are going to get, I assure you that it is an unfair amount, and every player we’re talking about would get more money in a free market. We’d pay twice as much for these guys in any other circumstance, as for example the over $1M we paid to get Wynn Pelzer from the Padres. Further, we’re not talking about a meaningful amount of money. We’re talking about tens of thousands of dollars – pennies in the scheme of things for the Orioles. Having principles is nice. It is also a stupid way to run a business, and the O’s are a business. When you start making decisions that damage the long-term health of your business over mere basis points of your total budget, then you deserve what you get.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Aug 13, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is the best argument I've heard you make for that,
and I admit that I had (stupidly) never thought of such a simple concept. So yeah, I take back all my arguments I’ve had with you on the overslot draft picks subject.
I would be curious to hear what Jordan or MacPhail say about it though.
Does anyone think we offer Mentor arb?
Because if we don’t, why not pass him through waivers and hope someone eats his salary for the rest of the year? If we are thinking 6 man rotation anyway, why not just try to dump salary and keep it at 5? Or we could promote both Tillman and Britton for the rest of the year and go 6 men deep if you want to limit innings. Millwood is barely hanging on to type B status as it is anyway.
Maybe the O’s are thinking the same thing. Maybe no one even wants Millwood. I’d be willing to be SOMEONE would be willing to take a flyer on him to be their 4th/5th man though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
From what I understand, he's not gonna make it to type B status, so I can't see us
offering arb. I’m sure they already put him on waivers, it’s just a matter of whether or not anybody else wants him and whether AM wants anything back for him. I doubt AM cares about the salary, it’s not like the O’s are gonna struggle to make their budget this year.
nobody's gonna take him and that salary
he’s not good enough to help out a contender for the stretch run and definitely not good enough for the playoffs.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking
I think if the O’s did trade him, they would eat almost all of what’s his salary and try to get some PTBNL out of it. And I doubt anyone would give us anything for Millwood at this point.
Isn't part of the point of a 6 man rotation in our case
to limit the innings of the young guys?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well yea
I addressed that. If they are talking about bringing up Britton or Tillman, then they could bring them both up and still have the 6 man rotation and limit innings.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
or even Van Den Hurk
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Britton should come up at all.
Leave the kid down there until he reaches his innings, then shut him down.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
that's never stopped them from promoting someone before
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Walk off Walk hates Dibble also
http://www.walkoffwalk.com/2010/08/fire-rob-dibble.html
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
and so does D.C SportsFans Coalition
Federal Baseball, on the other hand, defends Dibble:
I think that Dan Steinberg is being a little sensitive in his criticism of Dibble’s attempt at humor. Jokes work because they play to our preconceived notions. Women like to talk, women like to shop, mothers-in-law are annoying, Starbucks is evil, Nickleback can’t make music, and a million other things people are likely to believe.
I for one don’t see the problem with it. Dibble was playing off a joke that has been told time and time again, and I am a person that gets annoyed at people sitting behind me and talking the entire game about stuff that has nothing to do about baseball. Dibble didn’t know what the women were talking about, and I don’t think it matters. It was a joke. He wasn’t saying women didn’t belong at the baseball game, or that they couldn’t enjoy themselves. He just mentioned they were taling the entire time and it was probably about shopping. I am sure George Carlin, Bill Hicks, and Eddie Izard have told plenty of jokes about women shopping.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I really resent this post
because of the implication that “Nickleback can’t make music” may not be true.
very valid point
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Also, because I've listened to all of Bill Hicks' material and women shopping jokes aren't on the set list
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He told ... none, actually
and I seriously doubt George Carlin did, either.
But Bill Hicks was the MAN.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I'm pretty sure Carlin and Hicks would be pissed
that someone even suggested they would make jokes about that kind of stupid shit.
Based on his logic
I guess a joke about tough guys who like tattoos, metal music and professional wrestling are brain dead losers would be totally hilarious.
If only I could think of a joke like that.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Blog wars have started over less than that Federal Baseball post.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
I suppose Dibble’s…enthusiasm for the team is nice for a fan base devoid of:
a) history, and
b) actual fans
I know some people really like the Dib, but I’m pretty much in the Thom Loverro school of thought: Dibble is a hack that would root for anyone so long as they employed him.
Federal Baseball, for what its worth, is being intellectually lazy to simply call people in the “offended/irritated” camp “sensitive”. Would they be cool with MASN panning to a shot of two black (asian, hispanic, gay, disabled, etc.) patrons and made Dibble making a “joke” using humor based on other similarily lazy stereotypes?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Edit...
patronsand madeDibble making a "joke" using humor based on other similarily lazy stereotypes?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That's awesome.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Would they be cool with MASN panning to a shot of two black (asian, hispanic, gay, disabled, etc.) patrons and made Dibble making a "joke" using humor based on other similarily lazy stereotypes?
No, but everyone would have been cool with MASN panning to two white guys and Dibble making a joke.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
No, but everyone would have been cool with MASN panning to two white guys andDibblesome black/asian/hispanic/gay/disabled woman making a joke.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
really? I tend to agree with brek's post,
if it’s funny and creative people will laugh, if it’s a stupid lazy stereotype and been said a million times before, people will be pissed.
What?
Your point isn’t exactly clear, but I think you are somehow implying that Stacey’s (and the rest of us that think Dibble is a know-nothing assclown and should stop trying to be funny by trading in tired stereotypes) irritation is invalid because…?
Of course nobody would be happy if Eddie Murray got up in the MASN booth and started cracking wise about two white guys, using only unfunny stereotypes about white men.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Firstly, I think that Stacey's post was completely warranted
But my point is that white men, in particular, can be targeted by virtually anyone free-of-charge.
As Stacey mentioned below, white men are ridiculed as a result of centuries long opression by that one demographic, but that doesn’t change the fact that today, showcasing white guys as thick, lazy, condescending, etc is allowed.
As an example, there are myriad commercials and other forms of media where the white guy is the one who is confused, inept, or focused solely on wanting a beer, while the black guy is the one explaining what’s real to him, or the woman is busily completing every task and rolling her eyes at her husband. Companies fear the repercussions of portraying any kind of minority as any of the aforementioned traits, whereas there does not exist many credible associations like the Advancement of White Men or National Organization for Men to claim discrimination toward white guys.
What I’m presenting is the view that racism against white(men)s is tolerated, whereas any other form of discrimination is quickly pointed out as sexist, racist, xenophobic, etc. I’m not a subscriber to the schools of white guilt or reverse racism, as I’m sure someone will label me as, but there is certainly some truth to their claims.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'm with you on that
Like I said, it’s wrong, and it does bother me. It happens in commercials and media a lot to white men (well, men specifically, but white men especially). Beer commercials are famous for it.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
What I’m presenting is the view that racism against white(men)s is tolerated,
That’s not completely true. If Dibbs would have said, “Look at those two country hicks out there talking about their pick-up trucks instead of watching the game,” that would have not gone over well.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
It wouldn't be as blatant as that
But if there were two white guys with sleeveless shirts, ruffled ball-caps, and beers, an off-hand, but not vicious, comment about them getting ready for a Nascar event wouldn’t draw any attention, but if casual jokes were lobbied at an obviously gay black/Latino couple with crossed legs, well, you know that there would be outrage.
As simple as that statement is, I think it’s completely true. Do you really think there would be a blog post about Dibble joking about the white guys?
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
It would draw complaints if two “hick-ish” looking guys were ridiculed on air about talking their trucks, NASCAR, or whatever other stereotype associated with “rednecks.” That I feel certain.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'd be the first one writin' a letter
after I learned how to write, or course.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
BUT WOULDN'T
YOU JUST WRITE IN ALL CAPS FROM YOUR @EROLS.COM DIAL-UP E-MAIL ADDRESS?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just a difference of opinions
But I don’t think so.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Millions of people love NASCAR
Since when is “getting ready for a NASCAR event” even an insult?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
NASCAR rain delays ratings > NBA playoff games
At least they were in 2006.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
At least they were in 2006.
An important caveat, as I believe NASCAR has declined in ratings for several years while other sporting events have increased their viewership.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
That is true
And I blame NASCAR for their emphasis on 1.5 mile oval tracks and an ill-advised crackdown on retaliation by drivers. I could go on for days on this topic, but NASCAR is hastening its own demise as a major player in the American sports landscape. All they had to do was not fuck up, and they couldn’t do it.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Yeah, you got me on NASCAR
I’m not even going to try.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
don't watch it much, but I always heard the biggest
mistake was moving from Sundays to Saturday night races. They owned Sundays, and went to Saturday’s and lost a huge portion of their ratings.
That's another problem
is the varying start times and too many non-Sunday races. They tried to correct that this year with a move back to 1 pm Sunday starts for most non-West Coast races, but there’s still too many non-Sunday races.
I still say the biggest problem is closing tracks like Rockingham and too many cookie-cutter tracks. No one wants to see yet another race at Kansas City or Las Vegas, yet that’s exactly what NASCAR will do next year.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
It is
If you’re implying that they’re rednecks for it.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Two things
First of all, insulting someone as a redneck isn’t a general insult of white people; it is an insult to people of a particular culture – people who live in rural communities in the south and midwest. It is akin to insulting someone by calling them a hipster.
The insult that you seem to be concerned about is that of being called “white trash”, which is racial in its nature, as in: “even with all the benefits of being white, they couldn’t make anything of themselves”. But while there is some overlap in the insults of “redneck” and “white trash” they are quite different, which is part of why folks who specialize in redneck jokes host family games shows now, but no comedians have ridden “white trash” jokes to the top.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
man I got in SO much trouble for calling someone white trash in high school
my parents put the major smack down.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Well
The problem is that there is no one insult for white people like their is for blacks/gays, and even asians/latinos, thus, although “white trash” is more along the lines of what I meant, people do use “redneck” or “hick” when they want to insult someone for being white.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
cracker
I like cracker.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
i had it written down and was pressing enter
and when i looked up at the preview, you had beaten me to it…totally not fair
Only in certian places
Who is going to insult a white guy from Queens by calling him a “redneck”? Who calls Portlanders “hicks”?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm with you on the Queen part
But that’s a pretty specific example as a Portlander, along with most of the rest of the country, is indistinguishable from a Washingtonian or a Californian or a Oklahom(ian?), and thus if someone thinks it’s insulting to call white people “hicks,” then they will do so to a Portlander.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Again, I just don't think it is specific to white people
People in rural Maine might be called hicks by people in Portland, but that’s because they don’t live in the city, not because they are white. But people who live in cities, white or otherwise, aren’t worried about being called hicks in the north or the northwest. Which is part of why it isn’t about race.
Oklahomans have different concerns because they are in the south.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm on a deadline...
so this will be a shorter follow-up to your comments, but here goes:
You’re referring to the “Homer Simpson” model common in advertising and media. It’s a fairly common presentation of the married, middle-age, white male in middle America. It’s also a super-small segment of the way white men are represented in media.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole
“men are idiots/Neanderthals/helpless” shtick is as hack as what Dibble was blathering on about. I’m not sure how demeaning anybody sells more of anything, but obviously it does, or they wouldn’t spend so much money doing it.
The difference is that white guys own those beer companies. And they make those commercials. The NAACP isn’t buying a spot in the Superbowl mocking white guys, white guys are mocking white guys for fun and profit, mostly profit.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when...
that representation isn’t the only way you are ever going to see yourself portrayed in mass media.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
If I were an alien from outer space, and I was watching American television, I might end up thinking all men were like Don Draper. Or Dexter. Or Tony Kornheiser.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well to be fair...
Tony is orange and balding, so if the alien has bad eyesight, one could confuse Mr. Tony for Mike Wilbon.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Rep. John Boehner
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
That dude's more orange than those throwback Orioles uni's on here the other day!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Those eye stalks can be tricky.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If an alien wanted to watch tv to find out everything it could about me,
it’d find out that I am soulless. :(
And we're all atheists or non-religious
Seriously, when was the last time someone wore a cross or Star of David necklace on a TV drama, yet how many do you see on a given day in your own life?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Well
when we are fighting vampires, which is about 75% of the time.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
What?
What TV shows have you been watching?
FWIW, on the show that I’m working on, our Irish-Catholic family says grace together before every dinner. And on the last long series I worked on, half the cast wore crosses.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What show?
Seriously, I can’t remember the last time I saw someone wearing a religious emblem on network TV.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I probably shouldn't answer that here
The earlier show was on cable, so that’s no help either.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Southpark. Really? Noone here watches Southpark?
I’m a redhead.
When white people represent 65% of a country
There’s obviously going to be variation in how they’re portrayed, but like I’ve mentioned, there is only one demographic that can be incessantly targeted.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Quick to hit the enter button...
but TARGETED? Seriously? By whom?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
That’s not the correct word, but it’s permissible to ridicule them.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
The NAACP isn’t buying a spot in the Superbowl mocking white guys, white guys are mocking white guys for fun and profit, mostly profit.
The bottom line is that it’s acceptable for white guys to be mocked, irrespective of who is doing it.
Consumers, or society, don’t show any backlash to white men being portrayed as Neanderthals, and thus those commercials are allowed to run.
I hate to say it, but if those beer commercials were about black men, you can guarantee they wouldn’t run successfully for years on end.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Right...
where the fuck were you for the WASSSSSSSUUUUUPPPP spot?
Come off it – seriously. Black people get represented awfully in ad spots all the time. Check the language and dialect used in ads by fast food (particularly fried chicken) restaurants featuring black actors.
Uncle Ben, Aunt Fucking Jamimah, seriously, they don’t trade in stereotypes at fucking all, now do they. They for sure aren’t succesful companies.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The bottom line is that it’s acceptable for white guys to be mocked, irrespective of who is doing it.
That’s not true at all. There are definitely limits. Like I said above, if you replace the two women with two white men and Dibble saying, “Look at those guys talking their guns and trucks all evening instead of watching the game,” people would not be happy. Look agree, that the boundaries for white men are “looser” but you’re making it look like it’s free reign on white people and that’s not true.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
So if white people
are 65% of the U.S. population and white guys are 49% of that, why don’t sizable chunk of America that is the white guys pull it together and protest? I mean besides being busy enjoying their historic and excessive privilege?
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
White guilt
And everything that is associated with it.
Look, I don’t like how this is trending toward me being Pat Buchanan, I just see some truth in the idea that it’s okay to make white men out to be buffoons.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Help me out here a second
A white guy makes a joke about women, and all of a sudden we’re arguing about how white men are ridiculed?
What the fuck?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I was just about to make a comment...
about how so much of this “it’s ok when they do it” is a butthurt reaction to potential jokes which have not been told.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i couldn't really care less how the media portrays men or white men,
the only one that ever really bothered my was the whole “White men can’t jump and suck at basketball” thing. I’m barely 6 ft and I can dunk, so I don’t want to hear it.
well...
the second part of that portrayal is still mostly true…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I am barely six feet too (and white)
and I could dunk in high school. It would take me a month or so now of practicing probably.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, lots of white guys can jump,
they just made a stupid movie about it, and everyone believed the movie.
actually the movie was good
it was a stupid concept though
lol
fair enough.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Great movie
I still think it’s a mostly true stereotype. lol
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
But the point of the film...
was that Woody Harrellson’s character could, in fact, jump. Remember?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No movie with Woody Harrelson is stupid.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't seen 2012 yet, have you?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Ok I forgot about that one.
But he was awesome in it. Possibly my favorite actor.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll just have to chalk up his decision to be in that to the weed
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the check to afford the weed
I gotta say, Woody was HORRIBLE in 2012. Not that he had anything to work with…
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
It would be just as wrong for that to happen
But I don’t think you can overlook the fact that white men have never been victim of systematic, government sanctioned discrimination. Women, Asians, black people, they all have been. It’s something from which this country is still recovering.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
What do you call affirmative action?
College admissions in particular are notorious for wanting blacks, HIspanics, and women over whites, Asians, and men.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Again, what the hell does this have to do with Rob Dibble
saying stupid shit about women?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Not too mention we have a dedicated thread to Rob Dibble
talking about women. Can we move this talk over there. It’s getting old.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Just scroll up or down.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I've been away from CC for awhile
So maybe I’m confused (genuinely), but when these type of threads were first created, they were open for all types of discussion, and designed specifically for that purpose.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Yes.
But in this case Stacey went out of her way to create a thread specifically for discussion of Rob Dibbles comments. If she wanted it discussed in the open threads she probably wouldn’t have written it.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I just took the opportunity to post a response to a comment already on the subject.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Also fair enough.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I just got reading the thread; didn’t realize we were trying to shut this down.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Also...
where did you go to school? I pretty much saw nothing other than:
whites, Asians, and men
at UMCP.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It is significantly easier to get into (a good) college
If you’re not white or Asian.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
So UMCP isn't a good college?
Because I’ll slap a fool that disses Maryland.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
No
But UMCP neither represents the top levels of higher education in the U.S., nor the whole scene of colleges in America.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
The first part of that sentence is patently false.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I'm not talking about the top 60 or whatever colleges in the U.S.
I’m talking about the cream of the cream, as in MIT.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'd put their aero engineering school against MIT
You’re showing a private school bias that would explain many of your comments above.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I'm not talking about one sub-division of the school
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
And that second part is both misinformed
And unnecessary.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'll put our basketball and lacrosse teams against 'em, too.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
i think you could put any of your teams against them
except maybe football…they’re gonna be bad this year
Against MIT?
Hell I’d even put our football team against them. lol
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they look better than last year.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take Cornell lacrosse and basketball over Maryland
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Basketball? I think not
Lacrosse? It would be a damn good game.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Cornell was damn good this year and last.
It would be a close game, but you’re probably right in that Maryland would win, however so slightly.
I’m not going to argue just for argument’s sake, though, as Maryland definitely has a better program historically.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Lacrosse, maybe.
Baseketball, absolutely not.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
their basketball was good last year,
but i think they graduated almost everyone, right?
Umm..
’Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt
/LisaSimpson’d
/Lincon’d
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you such an ass?
Cornell has more natty’s and just as many appearances in the championship as Maryland in lacrosse, and their basketball team went to the Sweet Sixteen this year.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Well, that was unnecessary
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I tend to adjust my game to...
the level of my competition, if you must know.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't refute anything I've said
Just continue to be confrontational.
By the way, who are you?
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
a guy or gal who should be working but is instead chatting on camden chat
just like pretty much all of us
I don't mean to pull out my internet cred
But this guy has been nothing but an ass to me and I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with him on CC.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
So this is your first
I’m sure you’ll be fast friends in no time ;)
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I agree with brooklynlovesorioles
that internet cred and a dollar gets you a can of coke.
by PhilR8 on Aug 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
$1.25 at my faculty longue
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
$1.25 for a CAN?
Please tell me you’re joking.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well, 20 oz bottle
It’s our only option
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Whew.
Okay, that I expected.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Not so cool on the who are you
Doesn’t matter :)
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I've tried to be fair
Really!
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Do you think I'm being...
an egregious ass though?
/sadpanda’d
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you've rushed to judgments
Without giving me a chance to explain myself.
Let’s just end this, though, and resolve to meet at McDonalds later tonight to hash things out? Come alone.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
hash things out?
or bash in the drive through window because they didn’t have chicken nuggets?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Now that broad...
was White Trash, amiright?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bring the beer bottle
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
SOMETIMES YOU NEED CHICKEN NUGGETS
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I think what you said applies outside of cream of the cream. A school like Emory, Rice, or Vanderbilt are just outside of the cream of the cream and I think it’s slightly easier to get in if you’re non-white. in fact, I think it extends far beyond the cream of the cream.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
It's both harder to get into the cream of the cream
And the cream of the crop if you’re white or Asian.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
sure, i'm saying it applies even outside of the cream of the cop
but the disadvantage decreases as you go down the ladder.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Actually
as far as state schools go, it is the top level.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So 53rd Nationally...
overall and 18th among public universities is not in the top level?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Engineering college is ranked #13
IN THE WORLD.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Look Ivy League...
just because you went to UPENN doesn’t mean you can look down on the rest of us!
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Of course it does! What other value is the degree??
Also how on earth did you know/remember that?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Out of over 4000 college campuses nationally?
That is 99th percentile.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He went to PRIVATE SCHOOL
so he knows better than us.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
touche.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good one, duck
Except that I didn’t.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I don't think so
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Out of over 4000 college campuses nationally?
Are those 4000 schools who are categorized as national schools? I thought it was around 1000. Even so, 53rd out of 1000 is still pretty damn good.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
It includes 4 year, 2 year
technical schools, etc. Either way there are over 1800 4 year institutions.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It does not include 2 years schools. You need to have a certain number of PhD programs to be classified as a national university.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I mean the 4000 includes
2 year schools.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Since there are 5,500+ colleges in the US
and #57 would put you in the top 1%, I’d say it is.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
but seriously
when you hear somebody say “Oh my son got into one of the top schools in the country!” would you really think of number 57 as a possibility for what they were talking about?
I guess this is similar to the debate some of us had about whether Adam Dunn was an “elite offensive player.” Just semantics.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
If he said that and said he got into UMd
I’d think, “Damn, I’d be pretty proud of that kid.”
Maryland’s no joke.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I've already clarified what I meant
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'm not saying it's not something to be proud of
or a really good school. I just don’t think of the 57th best school as “one of the top schools.”
U. of Rochester is #35 and I certainly wouldn’t consider that to be one of the top schools.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Exactly
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'm happy you're back
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Thanks, Stacey
Clearly, that makes two of us.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Three.
Always nice to have all of the top-three Pie fans here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't always agree with you
But you always make things interesting.
And like Vuff said, you’re one of the original Pie lovers. Not many can claim that.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Where are you getting that number
I get getting like 4100. Just curious.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wikipedia, of course
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_the_United_States
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I got mine from wikianswers and a couple others.
lol
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Since there are 5,500+ colleges in the US
Yeah, but only a small percentage of those schools are classified as national universities. For example, UMCP isn’t competing against Amhearst or Swarthmore or Pomona. I would argue, and sorry Duck, those schools are better than UMCP.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
And I would argue
you are out of your fucking mind. How on EARTH does Swarthmore compare to Maryland? Maryland has THIRTY TWO programs rated in the top 10 of the nation. THIRTY TWO.
http://www.ece.umd.edu/about/rankings.html
The University of Maryland is ranked 18th among U.S. public universities by U.S. News & World Report. Maryland has 32 programs in the top 10, 51 in the top 15, 67 in the top 20, and 79 in the top 25.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Dude, Swarthwore is a top notch school. If I had a kid who had a choice between Swarthmore and UMCP with money concerns eliminated, I would choose Swarthmore in a heartbeat. Remember, those rankings are based off of research not actual teaching quality. UMCP has far better researchers than Swarthmore, no doubt. But in terms of the quality of education, I’ll take Swarthmore.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Why?
You’ve not given me one qualitative reason. How do you define “quality of education”?
If my kid wanted to be an architect, I’d send them to UMd first.
An engineer? UMd.
A journalist? UMd.
A teacher? UMd.
An English/poetry major? MAYBE Swathmore. MAYBE.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Large research institutions where grad students teach classes
and professors just want to (or are forced to) publish publish publish and don’t care about teaching… hard to compare that to an education from a smaller university.
Yep.
I didn’t have grad students teaching my classes, but I went to Drexel for chemical engineering, and teaching was clearly at the bottom of my professors’ priority list if they did research.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
My Journalism classes were capped at 18
and I had a prof for every one. As an undergrad.
Methinks y’all are working on stereotypes that are not necessarily true.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
dude, these aren't stereotypes,
You can check the percentages of classes taught by PhD online. Big research universities are comparatively smaller.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about UMd
I don’t give a shit about defending Nebraska or Iowa or UVa
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
For journalism...
…I’d send them to Columbia.
Who you meet in college, and the connections you get, are more valuable than anything you learn in class. That is what makes the Ivies the Ivies, fwiw.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You'd pay 3X as much as UMd
and not get a substantially better education. The opportunities offered at UMd for undergrads in journalism rival any school in the U.S.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Eh
Look, I have no kids, plan on having none, and so I don’t think about this much.
But I’ve worked in journalism and media, and I’ve noticed that the people who get work generally get it through either family or personal connections. At least here in New York and in LA, it isn’t a meritocracy. And those schools offer a lot of those.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Thank GOD only 4% of the US
live in NY and LA, then. The rest of us try and make it on our talents and work ethic. :)
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Told you I was up for this...
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
lol
to be fair Penn gives a ton of need based scholarships. I believe their general approach is that if you get accepted to the school it means they want you there and will figure out a way to get you there.
How “need” is defined is pretty tricky though. We’ll be paying my fiance’s loans for quite a while since she didn’t qualify…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Fair enough
But, for better or for worse, most of the magazines, book publishers, national television news, film and television industries are in these two cities, along with three of the biggest newspapers in the country.
So, even with your greater talents and work ethics, you are competing for a very small part of the journalism pie other places.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
that's why he became a teacher
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Damn, that's cold
only because it’s true.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I don't mean this to boost New York...
…look, I love it as everyone here knows, but it certainly isn’t what most people I know want, nor is it really to the benefit of anyone but us that we have such a stranglehold on journalism in America.
But I couldn’t live in Baltimore and do what I do for a living. I don’t get to make that choice.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
And someday
you’ll learn how insignificant you are to those few of us who really matter.
(I claim the “has established prior rapport” clause!)
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
And that, my friend
is EXACTLY why I fuckin’ hate private schools and why I defend public schools at all levels. Just because someone won a fuckin’ lottery by being born to rich parents doesn’t make them better at a job (or class) than me.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Can we not
bash all private schools and people who went to them? Some of us worked our butts off to get scholarships so we could afford to go to a non-state school. And not for snobby reasons; I thought Drexel’s co-op program was an excellent idea.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Of course, trash the Ivy Leagues all you want.
:)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I am pro bashing anything that applies to O'sFan21 :)
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Hahahaha,
yeah, Drexel kids love to bash Penn kids, not gonna lie. But we’re really just jealous of your nice campus and the much smaller male/female ratio.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
same with Temple I think
although Drexel has a MUCH nicer campus than Temple. Did you ever make your way up to the penn bars?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Nah, not a bar guy.
Unless New Deck counts, but I went there mostly for Quizo.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
haha
eh I guess it counts. I wondered what bars drexel people went to – didn’t think there were many over there.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think
most would either go to Penn bars or head down towards Center City.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i think everyone enjoys bashing Temple
Drexel is just crazy-insane expensive, but kudos for getting a scholarship there.
I'm still miffed
at how much worse it got while I was enrolled. I have a lot more in loans than I was expecting.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
what's it up to now?
it was creeping up on 45 grand when I was looking at colleges
Here you go.
$31k / year for the five-year programs, $38k for the four year. And that’s just tuition.
http://www.drexel.edu/undergrad/financing/break-down/
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah.
And it’s shot up rapidly, too. I think tuition was $20.5k / year when I started in ‘04-’05.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i must have been looking at
room and board and all that, cause I swear I saw over 40 somewhere
I agree, but...
…it isn’t a meritocracy. It isn’t within my power to change the way the world works. But I can use how it works to my advantage, and encourage others to do the same.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well right
but we knowing that class system that exists, wouldn’t you advise your kid to go to the school that positions him best for the future?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Sure, contacts and as well as context. For journalism, Columbia is a fine choice.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
But Maryland's just as good
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
sure, UMd is a great journalism school
I’m not trying to hate UMd!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Coulda fooled me...
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Dude, like I said before, Swarthmore, Amhearst, Pomona, and others, these are very FINE schools. Don’t underestimate them. I’m not hating UMd as much as I’m giving a lot of props to these schools.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
That wasn't the vibe I was getting
Thanks for the clarification. I can put away the +3 Sword of Righteous Class Warfare now, I guess.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Amherst.
Sorry, pet peeve.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
oops, my bad
when I was 23, a friend told me he went to Amherst. I told him that I’ve never heard of Amherst. I don’t think I’ve ever recovered in his eyes.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I live in the five college area
of which Amherst is one. These are some pretty rarefied colleges/universities, but Amherst is rarefied above all others. Except maybe Williams. It’s not shocking the guy didn’t understand he wasn’t the center of your universe.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, williams, amherst
wellesley, all of the notorious reputation for churning out obnoxious students. I’ve had a couple of friends who went to Amherst and they were definitely very bright and motivated. But they think they walk on water. Nonetheless, they’re all top notch schools.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I can respect this attitude
I thought you were hating on the big state schools. No worries.
No, big state schools are fine institutions. They have top notch researchers who are doing innovative work. I have TONS of respect for that. If my son/daughter had a choice between a top tier big state school (e.g., UVA, UMd, UCLA) or a second tier liberal arts school, I would prefer the big state school even with cost being equal!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
and to a certain degree
we’re comparing apples and oranges. Swarthmore and UMCP are totally different institutions with different goals. UMCP is all about training and hiring top notch researchers. Undergraduate education is a secondary (at best) concern. Swarthmore’s priority is providing a high caliber undergraduate education.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
And this is where you roll your eyes
and simply mutter to yourself, “He simply does not understand,” right?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
That's what I was assuming
you were thinking about me.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
look, it’s just a difference in opinion. I’ve worked at all types of universities from small teaching schools to big research universities. those experiences have affected my opinion of undergraduate education quality. profs at big research univ don’t have an incentive to care about teaching. at a school like swarthmore or pomonan, not only will get a top notch profs, but they’re job is dedicated toward teaching undergraduates.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
In about, what, 5 different majors?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
sure
Engineering, journalism and maybe some other technical sciency stuff like computer science. Otherwise, I would prefer to send my kid to Swarthmore (controlling for price, once in factor in price, Swarthmore isn’t so attractive).
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Really?
Architecture? Education? Nursing? Pre-med? Chemistry? Psychology? Sociology? All of those, you’d send a kid to Swartmore?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Yes.
now I’m ducking! Cost being equal of course. Cost not being equal and unless I become a millionaire soon, i’ll take UMd and be very happy.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I have other reasons for supporting
a public school education, even in college, but I think I’ve made enough enemies for one day.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
no enemies here!
I can deal with you hating the system. I don’t think you hate me for having leveraged the system.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
We hate you other reasons than that
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I support public education! I went to public high schools and James Madison U for undergrad!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
JMU is a public school?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I did not know that.
Stupid state school education….
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
what years were you at JMU?
does the phrase “Free Pete” mean anything to you?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
nope,
I was there in the mid 1990s. I’m old.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
who wants those private school snobs
as friends anyways? :)
Must....resist..temptation...
Nah, not gonna pile on, I’ve made enough enemies today.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
did u go to Swarthmore or something?
I would advise my kid to go to PSU/UMD/UDEL over Swarthmore 85-90% of the time.
nope
Just understand how teaching works differently between a big research university and a top notch liberal arts college.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Most college students are NOT liberal arts majors
A lot of us want to actually get a job after school. :)
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Duh dum tssssshhhhh
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I also have a job!
to go with my liberal arts degree.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Yeah...
but you work for the Government!
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Liberal Arts...
…with concentrations in Film and Philosophy.
That said, it helps that no one in my field cares that I went to college one bit.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I wouldn't have gotten hired without a degree
But nobody gave a shit what it was in.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You went to a STATE school
may I remind you.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I did go to a state school
And it met my needs. But I’m not gonna get all crazy about it. I could have gone to a bunch of other schools if I wanted to. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I’m quite brilliant.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
So the internet tells me
And you’re hilarious when drunk. :)
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Well, I DID go to Salisbury
hilarious when drunk is a pre-req
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Salisbury?
I suppose that’s better than Frostburg.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I just get insulted?
I think I just got insulted.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
You, sir, are an egregious ass
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Please
Salisbury’s average SAT for incoming freshmen is second only to UMCP in the UM system.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I kid...
You want to know what state school in MD I hate? UMBC.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you go to school?
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I was going...
to say “the one that pays for the rest of them” but that would just be mean.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be accurate...
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Your chess team get beat by their chess team?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
They didn't bet us in BBal
Now Morgan State I could understand…l
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
In what?
Women’s crew?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Hey! I went to Frostburg! :-)
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry about that, dude.
Better luck next time.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Great....uh....memories...yeah. That's the ticket...
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, for a handful of majors, I would send my kid to big research U rather than a small liberal arts college.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
A handful?
There’s only a handful for which I would even CONSIDER a liberal arts school.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Damn, it was gettin' lonely in here
Thanks!
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
sorry, if i was bit strident in tone!
I probably do that more I realize.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Hey! I've had your back the whole time.
I just left for a while.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
UMD is on my shitlist right now.
Because I got rejected. lol.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Just stop. You’ve firmly moved out of the “I have a point and am somewhat informed” into D-FENS territory here.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the "Falling Down" reference
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I love that damn movie...
pretty much for the intellectual smackdown Robert Duvall gives Michael Douglas at the end of the film.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
It’s a well known fact that being Asian/white is the equivalent of bumping your SAT score down a few hundred points, and being black/latino is the opposite.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Keep being antagonistic though
It’s endearing.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Asian, yes
White is only 120 or something like that.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
is there really data to back that up?
That seems like a shitload of points to me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Sure, I'll find it
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
just to be clear
I’m not doubting you – it just seems really high to me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
While you are waiting patiently
perhaps you would care to read these 10 Myths of Affirmative Action exploded, by actual math and science:
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't call that website an objective source
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Seriously.
I hate trying to bring statistics into just about any political argument, because you can get just about whatever statistics you want to depending on how you design the study and spin the results.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
the website name itself invalids it. a study from a peer-reviewed article, i would take seriously.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Yeah, that too.
But you get peer-reviewed studies with contradictory results all the time, and then both sides just quote the stats that agree with their perspective.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
that’s fine, but i can sort through contradictory results and make educated decision with peer review articles. with a site like that, they’re not even obligated to scientific norms.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
They take their data from
multiple peer reviewed studies. The data has to be presented somewhere. I couldn’t find totallyimpartialfactsaboutaffirmativeaction.com
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
I just mean that it’s rare that internet arguments about politics get anywhere (duh), and they’re frequently even more deadlocked when both sides start throwing out numbers.
And I’m totally with you on that site, btw.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Each "myth"
refers to multiple peer reviewed studies. The data has to be presented somewhere. I couldn’t find totallyimpartialfactsaboutaffirmativeaction.com
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
in looking over the references
there are only a small number of peer reviewed material there. it’s mostly technical reports from roper which aren’t peer reviewed and just a reporting of “fact” which can be easily decontextualized.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Sorry, I've been responding to all these posts
But here’s something:
According to the data, not all races are considered equal in the college admissions game. Of students applying to private colleges in 1997, African-American applicants with SAT scores of 1150 had the same chances of being accepted as white applicants with 1460s and Asian applicants with perfect 1600s.
Link.
I’ll honestly dig up more if you think that’s outdated or a small sample size.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
as someone who works in higher ed
this is the one thing I’ll back you up on. I don’t have any citations off hand though. In fact, in CA they’re trying to cut down on the number of Asian getting into UCLA and Berkeley ever since CA eliminated affirmative action using other methods.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
California must be especially bad
But I’m not sure why people were so revolted by the idea when I proposed it as Asians perform well almost across the board.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
time for some
citation needed
These are interesting points, if true. Just need to substantiate them.
ok, dude, i was kinda half on your side until this point
but a few hundred points is a kinda rediculous generalization don’t you think?
From the "Department of Pulling Numbers Out Of My Ass"
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 13, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm always up for some fuckin' class warfare
People like me couldn’t get into the UPenns of the world – no one was offering a the son of a redneck factory worker and a arts store cashier any scholarship $$$ no matter how good my SAT was. THE public university of my home state, Maryland-College Park, offered me a chance at a world-class education at a price my parents could afford. I graduated from one of the eleven best journalism schools in the nation as a result.
I’ll be damned if I let any latte-drinking, legacy frat boy who went to a “private school” types shit on my alma mater just people they admitted people like me.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
haha
That reminds me – I need to go pick up my afternoon latte and perhaps something with some sort of cheese on it for my afternoon snack.
Just to be clear, I wouldn’t have gotten into Penn either if it hadn’t been for my ability to throw a baseball (which I promptly lost when I arrived on campus). And no frats for me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Told ya I was up for it. :)
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
duck, you're back to sounding like a communist again!
I missed it after that recycling stuff yesterday.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
or a tea partier no??
railing against the liberal northeastern elitist colleges?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Wow, man, that hurt. Really.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
haha
Don’t worry. I know you won’t be at the Beck rally next week.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
To observe...
I hear Andrew Breitbart is offering $100k for some choice footage.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true
Is it Friday? I’ll be at Assateague at my daughter’s swim team beach practice.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
can't remember
but I’m sure whatever you have going on is a far better use of time. Taking one single day long shit for example would certainly be more productive.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The post is chock full of belief in the egalitarian dream.
Besides, Marylanders (and I’m not just talking about people who went to UMCP) should be revving up rants against the elitist northeast with their breakfast. :)
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
UMCP is an excellent school, but man, you suggest somewhere might be just as good or better, look out!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
As good? That's defensible
But I got the vibe that JUST because they were small private schools that made them automatically better than UMd, and that got my back up.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Oh definitely not, private has nothing to do with it. William and Mary is excellent liberal arts college that’s a public school.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
There's a lot of other majors out there, though
Neither of my two kids will most likely end up as a liberal arts major, so we probably wouldn’t go that route, anyway.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
No
I’m totally convinced now. I cannot imagine how a white man gets ahead in this country the way they are victimized.
I’m going to go throw some dime to the John Birch society. This wrong must be righted.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real.
by killertomato on Aug 13, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true, but it's more to do with colleges wanting all different races
than any white/asian bias. I forget what the official term is, but the historically black colleges all give out scholarships for non-blacks, just because they want to make their institution less segregated. These are facts.
That's less true than it used to be
UMES hasn’t done it in ages. Trust me, my wife’s worked there almost two decades.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Stacey, you're popular with the SBN front page gang this week!
Both your Luke Scott article and the Rob Dibble one from yesterday got mentioned in the “Best of SB Nation” daily post. That’s our head honcho!
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
I am pretty awesome, aren't I
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
When you take a break from gossiping and shopping at least.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
and evaluating players...
with that newest SABR metric: wHPOA+
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
ahahahahahah
I am totally pro walk off tickle swarms.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I have to admit,
I was scared they were gonna hurt his back.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
All of this racism talk
is dragging me down.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
And I find it completely irrelevant, personally.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Since when is CC all political? yesterday it was recycling, now it's reverse racism
Stop the madness…
The O's need to start sucking again
so we have something to talk about. Winning is boring.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We had some pretty bizarre arguments when the O's were sucking.
In fact, I think some days we were saying, “The O’s need to start winning before we kill one another.”
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 13, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just gonna
hang out at the bottom here and do this:
Yes, they spelled his name wrong in the URL. Bastards.
My brush with fame
Turned down tickets to see him in Baltimore. Not that it mattered, since he died a few days before he would have performed here, but I was in before it was cool!
But seriously folks… loved Mitch, a shame he went so soon.
Does this not perfectly fit CC?
"Get the fuck out! I’m not makin’ a banana bread, pastrami, cottage cheese sandwich. That will severely ruin my reputation."
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 13, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
'recd
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, new discussion
Would the Terps football team beat MIT this year?
Home or road?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Um, money line or points?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
OK, got lost for a minute
Thought about going kayaking, decided to wait an hour for the tide to run out.
OK, money line. Damn, I hate to do it, but I might be tempted to lay $$$ on MIT this year.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Yes.
100%
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone seen The Messenger?
We were talking a bit about Woody Harrrelson and it reminded me that I’ve been wanting to see this.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Great movie
Saw it at the Charles when it was out. I’m still not convinced that Ben Foster is a great actor, but Woody is the man and totally makes that movie. It gets a little hard to watch at times but great chemistry between the characters. Recommended.
Cool.
It’s in my netflix instant queue. Guess I’ll watch it tonight.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 13, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's 4:36...
That means I just wasted 60% of my last hour at work reading about racism… Now that’s a good Friday… What could make it better??? Maybe going to an Orioles game!!! I just bought tickets to tonights game… Throwback uni’s, the Village People concert after the game, $5 beer Friday nights…. astroturf. What’s not to love!
OK, this is weird
MSNBC is using a clip from “Falling Down” in a commentary about the JetBlue dude. Two references to a 20-year-old movie in one day?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Falling Down is such an under appreciated movie
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 13, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Duck angry is pretty awesome.
just throwing that out there.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm even better drunk
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
ahahhahaha
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
ahahahah
good one
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
we can always revive it tomorrow
just say public schools=shit and you’ll get Duck going.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
your mom went to college!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 14, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Napolean Dynomite references...
are so full of win.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 14, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
just watched it again the other day
dunno why its funny, but it is.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 14, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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