Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on Aug 16, 2010 8:56 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of yesterday's loss can be found at The Sun, TBO.com, and MASNsports (with post-game Buck).
Orioles RHP Berken to have MRI exam on shoulder - USATODAY.com
I'm sure he'll be just hunky dory.
Palmeiro speaks about steroids again, sticks to his story
Dempsey's Army finds in Raffy's favor.
IT'S DRAFT DEADLINE DAY! FEEL THE EXCITEMENT!
Orioles Insider: The Orioles won't sign 6th-round pick; 7th rounder unlikely, too. Still quiet on Machado fron
"Orioles director of scouting Joe Jordan said this morning that sixth-round pick Dixon Anderson, a right-handed pitcher, had decided to return to the University of California rather than sign with the club. Jordan also said that it's looking like seventh-round pick Matthew Bywater, a left-handed pitcher, will eschew an Orioles' offer and return to Pepperdine University." Well, THAT sucks.
Orioles: As deadline looms, Orioles say they're not concerned about signing first-round draft pick Manny Machado - baltimoresun.com
Sure, the two sides have barely talked, apparently, but Orioles scouting guru Joe Jordan says the O's will sign Manny Machado before midnight tonight.
Steve Melewski: O's 7th-round pick, Matt Bywater, still open to signing
Matt Bywater sounds a lot more optimistic about signing with the O's than Joe Jordan does in The Sun.
Orioles Insider: O’s agree to terms with Esquivel and Schmarzo as Jordan turns to backup plans
"Jordan (Sunday night) agreed to an over slot $225,000 deal with 28th-round pick, Jaime Esquivel, a right-handed pitcher from South Houston High in Texas. Esquivel, who was planning on attending Rice University, went 6-2 with a 1.45 ERA and struck out 102 batters in 80 innings during his senior season and earned first-team, all-district 22-5A honors." So, looks like Dixon Anderson isn't going to happen.
Steve Melewski: O's ink two more draft picks
"They have agreed on deals with high school pitcher Jaime Esquivel, drafted in round 28 and right-handed pitcher Alex Schmarzo from St. Mary's College in California. Schmarzo was drafted in round 48. Esquivel got a $225,000 signing bonus."
Orioles Insider: Will the clock strike midnight on Machado?
No, it won't.
Steve Melewski: Draft signing deadline day dawns
Steve Melewski fully expects Machado to sign, and lists the reported bonuses handed out by the O's so far.
IN OTHER MLB NEWS
On DL, Cabrera passes time as Reds' batboy | reds.com: News
Orlando Cabrera: kind of a hoot. (Gee, think Stacey clipped this one, maybe?)
IN THE MINORS
Moore's big night powers Tides to 9-4 win | Norfolk Tides News
"Scott Moore homered twice and drove in four to power the Tides to a 9-4 win over the Charlotte Knights Sunday night at Harbor Park. Tides starter Chris Tillman (10-7) was the beneficiary of the offense as he became the first O's minor leaguer to register 10 wins this season. Tillman allowed three earned runs on eight hits in six-plus innings, walking one and striking out three."
Bishop Batters Baysox | Bowie Baysox News
The Baysox committed a critical defensive mistake in the bottom of the 10th inning against the Erie SeaWolves Sunday afternoon, allowing the SeaWolves to close out the season series with a 3-2 victory. Steve Johnson went five solid innings, while Wynn Pelzer pitched two scoreless innings.
O'SHEA LEADS STRIKEOUT PARTY | Frederick Keys News
LF Bobby Stevens went 3-for-4 with a double, a homerun, and two RBI while Keys starter, Ryan O'Shea, struck out a career-high 11 batters en route to his seventh victory of the year.
Shreve no-hits Delmarva through five in 5-2 win | Lakewood BlueClaws News
Colby Shreve, Julio Rodriguez, and Mike McGuire combined to three-hit the Delmarva Shorebirds Sunday evening in a 5-2 BlueClaws win.
IronBirds Cancelled Due to Rain | Aberdeen IronBirds News
The game originally scheduled for 2:35 had a two hour and 10 minute rain delay before being cancelled. It was the final meeting of the season between the IronBirds and Spikes and will not be made up.
Bluefield lost 11-3
Zach Petersime gave up eight runs on nine hits in just 3.0 IP. That's no way to start a career, kid.
The GCL Orioles lost 6-2
Absolutely no one I recognize played or pitched in this game.
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Your new profile pic is hilarious.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think the chart is wrong.
I’d say he’s about 60% adorbale and 40% awesome. When he hits a little better it’ll be even.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
400?! BB has like 20 or something like that.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you guys even use it?
I’m pretty sure I follow you but I never see updates. You gotta use it if you want people to care about following you.
It’s Bruce’s account, But I would he let me have control of it.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll make it 401
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur
I still wish somebody would make a graphic of Buckwieser Ale for me… But I digress.
The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......
by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
There's people on here with photoshop.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I wont believe it until tomorrow
But not signing our 6th and 7th round picks is unacceptable, especially since we have no second rounder. We’ll see, after the late Givens signing last year, its obviously not set in stone.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Sounds like 7 wants to do a deal
But 6 is long gone.Dixon Anderson probably figured he could do better in a few years. Maybe he’s right.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I thought common wisdom is that nobody in this draft is likely to do any better.
For next year’s draft it’s supposed to be a deeper class, so improvement of position is unlikely, and for high school kids who don’t sign, there’s the very real possibility that the next time they are eligible there will be a hard slotting system.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but anderson could improve and get drafted first round and probably make a lot more scratch than we were offering, even with a hard slotting system (which is still a terrible idea).
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
So I learned this weekend
that if you ever want to feel what the apocalypse would be like, try taking a megabus from new york to dc on a sunday night in the rain while the buses are running around an hour and a half late.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
The apocalypse will not have internet
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
once I got on the bus it was fine
everything up until that point was proof that humans are descended from monkeys. And not the smart monkeys, but the loud angry, poop-throwing ones.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
That's funny as hell.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Back when I was young and foolish
I took a bus from Halifax, NS, to Macon, GA, when Greyhound was running a student special. Travel as much as you want as long as you get back to your destination within 7 days. I saw humanity lost that trip, and I certainly did have a bit of my own chipped away from my soul. I stared into the dark heart of MFY Land, and what stared back were the cold, unfeeling, unintelligent glazed-over eyes mubling “Jeter, O’Neill, Tinooooooooo.”
Smart being relative of course
I took the train home the other day and the conductor pulled out of Philly before this really old lady could get off the train. She had to go all the way to Wilmington and wait for a train coming back.
For 4x the price & no internet?
Not so smart.
by fishoutawata on Aug 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw Bywater some more dollars
and get him signed. He’s a junior, so he’s got some leverage, but it might be in his interest to go pro now and not suffer the abuse of a senior year at college.
Anderson is a sophmore, who thinks he’s going to be a first rounder, so I can believe he won’t want to sign.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
I'd
choose Pepperdine over Baltimore as well.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If we don't sign Anderson...
…then this draft will move into truly embarrassing territory. And if we don’t get Bywater and Gonzalez, it will be humiliating.
Really, there is zero excuse not to get Anderson, Bywater, Gonzalez and Urban signed.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I think it gets done
Like has been said, this Dixon Anderson thing is almost an identical scenario to Mychal Givens. Just give the kid enough money that he can’t say no.
I could live without Bywater
He seems ok, but not the kinda player you would ever regret too much. Anderson is more important as he has a higher ceiling IMO. I dont know much about the other 2 but if they took them they should at least put out a significant effort to sign them. Truly embarrassing might be a little harsh of a description. At least we took and should sign the BPA with our #1 pick. To be truly embarrassing or humiliating, you have to take a daniel moskos with that pick.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but even him
if he’s open to signing we should god damn sign him.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
its true
Players like that fill out a bullpen for cheap. Thats the proper way to fill out a bullpen for a team like us.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
We have nine picks in the top ten rounds. To not sign any of them is a major failure. To not sign any of them when you are a rebuilding team with a struggling farm?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I guess I just look at it through a different lens as a former PoliSci major.
In politics it’s pretty much understood that in any real, non-sham negotiation (which we haven’t seen since President Obama took office, but hey) both sides are going to ask for more than they expect to receive in the end, so that way the final product is closer to the acceptable range. The other side is going to do this regardless, so if you unilaterally say, “Well, we’ll make a more fair initial offer,” all that does is make you a sucker because the final result will be closer to what the other side wanted all along than what you wanted all along. This is OK as long as there’s some willingness from both parties for good faith give and take as the process plays out. Which, again, we haven’t really seen in the past 18 months. That’s the theory, though.
But at some point it comes down to brinksmanship, and if you’re the one who ultimately blinks, then you start out at a weaker point in all future negotiations because the other side knows you drawing a hard line isn’t really all that hard.
Draft pick negotiations are pretty much just about money too so it’s not even as complicated. If the O’s think a guy is worth $300k and a guy thinks he’s worth $350k, the O’s offer $250k and the guy asks for $400k and if the guy really wants to play baseball right now, he takes $325k. Maybe he thinks he can get more money next year and he’s willing to take that risk of injury to keep the potential benefit of more development, and a higher draft pick meaning more money even though his leverage is lower.
On the other hand, say you give the guy the $400k. That’s a weak signal broadcast to all future draft picks – well, their advisors, really. Take the Orioles to the deadline and they give in. It’s not even about being cheap because this is obviously an endeavor that involves spending money. But you’ve got to preserve the negotiating process or you’re just handing out blank checks.
That said, it is a matter of degree. If it turns out we’re not signing guys over a difference of $10,000, that’s dumb. If we’re not signing guys over a difference of $25,000… that’s not so smart either. What about if it’s $50k or $100k or more? Somewhere you’ve just got to draw the line.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But the point isn’t winning the negotiation. The point is adding the most prospects without paying so much that you are crippled in some other essential way.
Being the team that will overpay a bit for draft picks isn’t something that will hurt us much – they are asking for less than their market value. Being the team that doesn’t add the most talent through the draft is much worse. Yes, I agree with you in terms of winning negotiations with amateur baseball players. But there are no prizes for that.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
strong language
too strong? It seems a little strong to me. Don’t get me wrong – I want the Orioles to sign all of these guys absolutely. That’s the bottom line. But…humiliating? I don’t know about that. Embarrassing?Am I supposed to be embarrassed? I don’t feel embarrassed. I feel frustrated Mostly because I can’t stand listening to Joe Jordan’s PR-refined talk…and I genuinely like the job Joe Jordan has done, but yeesh man. He should go into politics.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
agreed
Wade Townsend – embarassing
Daniel Moskos – humiliating
not signing your 6th and 7th rounders when you dont have your 2nd already – not smart at all, but not the end of the world.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and just look at townsend
he turned into completely nothing, while we (IIRC) correctly eventually ended up Felix Pie for failing to draft Townsend.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Ugh
Never evaluate decisions based on outcomes like that.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm not
I’m merely pointing out that running around screaming about the humiliation is pointless since so many of these guys aren’t going to be anything, and besides when you lose on one thing that money (or picks, or other utility) goes into something else. Less valuable at the moment, absolutely…but we’re talking about roughly the difference between 15% likely to contribute to major league wins versus 8% likely to contribute to major league wins. I just don’t have the vigor for it, because the potential returns, as an absolute value, don’t hold much…value…in my opinion.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Well, I'm not running around screaming
But we are one of the three worst teams in baseball, if not the worst team in baseball. And when the day is done, we will have added maybe three of the top 200 draft prospects if we don’t get Anderson.
We win a few games, and everyone forgets all the stupidity that led us to this point, and imagines that we’re going to keep playing this way in the future. Well, I haven’t forgotten how many stupid decisions we have made. This draft if we lose Anderson will be a step backward from our progress in the draft from the last several years, and this after we’ve also made a series of poorer decisions in free agency and roster management than we have in recent years.
And I think that mitigating our concern about that because the team has played well for a couple weeks is a good way to help make sure we’re in the running for the #1 pick in 2012 too. I’m sick of rooting for a last place team.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Aug 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's pretty clear
that the Pirates are the worst team in baseball no matter how you slice it.
I also am slightly offended that you think that I’ve forgotten the many ills of the Orioles in lieu of Buckmania. It’s like you don’t even know who I am anymore!
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
To be fair...
….I haven’t been around hardly at all since Buck came on. I just assume that everyone has gone crazy since.
And the Pirates aren’t in such bad shape, if they sign their guys today.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
that's not what you said
You said “The worst team in baseball”, and if we’re counting future considerations then that changes things and the Orioles are still no way in last place.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I'm not at all convinced we're not the worst team in baseabll
I don’t want to have a big argument about it, but I think there is a plenty good case that the Pirates, if they get Taillon, Allie, and Luis Heredia, are better than we are.
Plus, I count smarts. The Pirates are presently smarter than we are, even if they have less talent.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
but see
I was judging the major league teams in 2010, and you’re judging mostly the farm system and front offices, which are really vague things, hard to quantify, easy to succumb to subjectivity.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Certainly true
But as both teams are worth ~ 0 in 2010, I think that the only meaningful things to evaluate are the front offices and farm systems.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You gotta say we got far greater returns in trades than the pirates did
Which is why we are a lot further along in terms of minor league talent making it to the majors. The pirates haven’t gotten nearly as many top prospects in recent years, so i think our front office is still “smarter”
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
their FO has been much better since
huntington took over, but I think that since AM has been in charge, the O’s have made more good moves than the Pirates.
its true
But NH’s return from Bay/McLouth/Nady/some lefty they traded to the yankees was very uninspiring.
Who is the best prospect they got out of all that? Andy Laroache. AM has gotten insanely better returns than NH. Although NH has the pirates in the right direction (spending on the draft and such).
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We also traded better players
Erik Bedard is a hell of a lot better than Jason Bay or Freddy Sanchez was. And getting Lambo and McDonald from the Dodgers was a coup.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
So was Joshua Bell and Steve Johnson for Sherrill
They’re the Dodgers. They make horrible prospect-related trades.
Bay was a mighty fine player
His best WAR seasons are similar to Bedards. We got two prospects in the Bedard deal that were far better than any in the Bay deal. Granted Bedard had 2 seasons of team control left to bay’s 1.
And this is all i’ve heard on Lambo and McDonald. (from Kevin Goldsetein.
Andrew Lambo, OF: Once-promising hitter has stalled at the upper levels, pretty much the next Brandon Moss.
James McDonald, RHP: Potential back-end starter similar to the pitchers the Pirates have filled their entire rotation with for years.
Is there more to those two than that?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
Goldstein thrives on being a dick. Lambo has more potential than that; he hasn’t stalled as much as he’s struggled with attitude problems.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Fair enough
Either way its a good return for Dotel. I still hold that the Pirates didn’t get that much for what they traded away.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They got something, at least
We got nothing for useless players like Wiggy, Scorey, and Millwood. They aren’t DFAing young guys to keep b2b on their roster.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well, if we could get something
they wouldnt be useless
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
well, if we could get something for them
they wouldnt be useless.
I think you are – like many folks with Buck – overcompensating one bad year of moves (although no real crippling moves…I think the Gonzalez signing was easily the worst of them) and forgetting about so much of the good stuff that’s happened in the recent past.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
That's a fair point
One bad year doesn’t discredit the good years.
But it has been a quite bad year, and the hits keep on coming.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I feel like it's been
more of a wasted year than a bad one. We wasted the chance to take the next step (whatever that means) and sort of lost sight of the overall picture there for a while (or maybe, we still have, I don’t know).
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I feel like it's been
more of a wasted year than a bad one. We wasted the chance to take the next step (whatever that means) and sort of lost sight of the overall picture there for a while (or maybe, we still have, I don’t know).
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, and Reimold...
…have all lost significant value. That’s a pretty big deal.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, and Reimold...
…have all lost significant value. That’s a pretty big deal.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
for now
stories hasn’t ended yet. Hero got beat by the dragon, but there’s still like 80 pages to go.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Not just for now
Jones will be in arb next year. And one year of control of Wieters and Matusz was lost for sure.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well that's true
though I would now be willing to debate how much value Matusz has lost.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
And also
a year’s been wasted, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’ve lost the year. This could definitely be normal development for any or all of them. Tillman is the obvious exception. Did he lose a year of pre-arb?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
i would say they've all had setbacks
in their development, but that they still have a ton of potential. maybe they just needed that year to adjust, if we had waited another year to debut them, they still would’ve needed that wasted year. I’m not particularly happy with the major league development program right now, but I don’t think it’s necessarily the end of the world.
I feel like it's been a wasted year more than anything
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
oh hey, I didnt see that weird triple post
CC’s been acting weird on me today
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Just curious
How was Gonzalez worse than Atkins?
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Cost more money and a draft pick
Atkins just cost money, and less than half as much money.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm an advocate for not paying relievers,
but I don’t think Gonzalez was horrible. They guy can pitch when he’s healthy. It’s not what I would’ve done, but it wasn’t terrible.
NEVER give up a draft pick for a reliever
EVER.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
from what i understand,he had some drug issues
but people think he worked it out and is clean now
Pirates are much worse, although they're getting better
They have McCutcheon and Alvarez at the majors and then…? In the minors, they’re not that great either, Tabata, Sanchez and…?
Walker, LaRoche, Hart, Lincoln, Morris, Maholm, McCutchen...
…Ohlendorf, McDonald, Resop, Veal, Doumit, Chris Snyder. Plus prospects like Tony Sanchez, Rudy Owens, Robby Grossman, Zach Von Rosenberg, Chase d’Arnaud, Alderson, Colton Cain, Victor Black….
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't think any of them other than
McCutheon, Tabata and Alvarez are going to be more than solid to above average regulars. Granted, I get most of my prospect info on other teams from a stat line and from Sickels one sentence review on minorleagueball.com, so maybe you have a broader knowledge base than me.
Well, maybe they won't...
…although Sanchez is probably going to be a top 50 prospect this offseason, and Von Rosenberg, Cain, and Black have top of the rotation upside, and depth is also important.
But they are all useful, cheap, young guys, and that is always useful. And in the NL Central, it doesn’t take that much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You think Sanchez is gonna be top 50 this offseason?
He’s been out with a broken jaw for almost half the year. Don’t get me wrong, I like him, but I think he’s more bottom half of top 100 to just outside looking in. He’s a high floor but middle ceiling guy from what I understand.
Andrew might be the only one who hasn't gone Buck crazy
At the game the other day he was practically snarling at the dude.
oh, I'm sorry I wasn't almost falling from the upper deck
trying to reach out and grab his uniform as he walked past, hoping to cure my leprosy
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
by Andrew_G on Aug 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You know, we just don't use the "rec" button around here often enough
There’s a rec for ya.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 16, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i rec-a-roni all the time
sometimes i feel like i’m the loner rec-er
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 16, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Not sure if drafting Anderson was such a smart move, since he was expecting top 3rd round money. Eligible sophmores don’t seem to want to settle for less, and why should they? And if the O’s weren’t prepared to meet his expectations, then why waste a pick on him?
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
That assumes that we couldn't have had Pie for some other dude, doesn't it?
That we got Pie for Olson in the first place is a sign that we were the only team in baseball who valued him enough to give up much of anything. I’m sure that anything could have been something else.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well that assumes all sorts of stuff, too, doesn't it?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I prefer to see it as evidence-based.
We got Pie for Olson plus, and the Cubs valued Olson so highly they immediately moved him.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I refer all questions back to the Pie chart
by Stacey on Aug 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
How so?
We got Pie for an asset of a value = Garrett Olson. Since that value was/is low, then any assets whose worth = Garrett Olson should have been enough to land Pie.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
i don't understand why its a negative that we were
the only team in baseball that still recognized Pie as a talent. I don’t know, maybe I’m reading this backwards or something.
I'm not saying it is a negative...
….I’m saying that thinking that we were lucky to not sign Townsend because it set off a sequence of events where we got Pie is silly.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
oh, that i agree with,
but you still have to give some credit for recognizing that Pie was worth it for a AAAA guy right?
that wasn't my point
my point: we didn’t just lose Townsend, end of story. Losing Townsend opened up different opportunities. Less valuable ones at the time, yes, but I think that when we deal with such wide uncertainties that a failure to sign a top 200 draftee is stupid and wasteful, yes, but hardly cripplingly embarrassing.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
i agree with you, stupid, frustrating, wasteful,
i can’t see humiliating though
psst...I don't think he understand the chart
by Stacey on Aug 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not signing your 27th round pick is clearly the end of the world.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It is the ignorance behind the moves...
…that is humiliating.
It isn’t like we didn’t know what they were expecting when they were drafted, according to Jordan. In fact, he’s stated that Anderson has come DOWN from his initial price. But we’re still not signing him.
That’s pathetic. Without a second rounder or a sandwich round pick, when the team is making money, it is embarrassingly stupid.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
While i agree that its not at all smart
As its not a mistake of epic proportions, its not humiliating or embarrassingly stupid. I wont be hanging my head tomorrow if we fail to sign these guys (other than machado)
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In our situation...
…mediocrity is indistinguishable from total ineptitude.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't see how it's truly embarrassing or humiliating...
disappointing I could see.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks that being stupid is embarrassing and humiliating
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
you're just overdramatic
you must work in the industry
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
i would say disappointing and frustrating
embarrassing and humiliating to me, is daniel moskos over wieters or giving up cliff lee and carlos santana for blake davis, etc.
Wow
Vegas has us favored tonight against Fister.
I personally like UNDER 8.5 (hit the UNDER in yesterday’s game too).
Thoughts?
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
i would never bet on 3E1N continuing this dominance
it’s a) not smart for a guy so reliant on luck as him, and b) bad ju-ju to mess with it.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Would you bet AGAINST it (OVER)
For some reason I cant get onto Fangraphs at work.
What kind of FIP does FISTER sport? (I know that sounds dirty)
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
Stats for Fister
ERA – 3.86
FIP – 3.74
xFIP – 4.25
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty damn solid for a relative no-namer....
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the kind of no-namer who tends to shut us down.
As I believe he did earlier in the season. But those were the dark times.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's take a look at that box score...
http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=300419112
Featuring Nolan Reimold at DH, Lou Montanez in LF and the backup second baseman at 2B.
I think our offense might have improved a bit since this April 19 contest. Although interestingly it was Bergy starting for us here too and he got smoked, but maybe (hopefully) he’s doing better now.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing really
I just prefer to describe it as randomness. And I guess once I start commenting, I have a hard time stopping.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well, I think we all know that feeling. :)
You can never post just once…
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
randomness sounds more like probability and statistics
luck sounds superstitious
well, I read Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
who says it’s not superstitious?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
wow, that went so far over my head
but i was joking, in case that wasn’t clear
I'm just joshing you
The referenced play follows the exploits of two very minor characters in Hamlet as they struggle to grapple with the idea of Fate and Probability and Free Will (among other things). It opens with them gambling with each other with a sack of coins which they flip heads up something like 38 times in a row.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
with these offenses? Heck no I won't take the over
this is why I don’t gamble. The over/under is usually too well placed for me to make a decision.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
word
The Mariners and the Orioles? Under every time. The Mariners are the only team in baseball to have scored less than 400 runs this season.
Now there's a number you can hang your hat on.
Although if I might paraphrase 3DG a little bit…
Please gamble…
…….
……
……..
……..
responsibly.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well.... Im betting the UNDER
Usually the over/under in a major league game is between 9 and 9.5. Its not like in a basketball game where the variation is much greater and the over/under could be 218.5 or 175.5. They really don’t have alot of wiggle room to “place” them to well. I think it creates value as Vegas generally crunches the whole season worth of statistics on baseball games and less on ‘what have you done for me lately’. I don’t see this game going over 10 runs tonight… .the Mariners lineup is pretty pathetic.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, time for a little off-topic. What's good in the theaters right now?
I feel like as your typical male who enjoys mindless action movies, I need to see The Expendables.
I also feel like as the kind of guy who makes obscure Star Wars and video game references on a baseball blog, I need to see Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.
Did anybody go out and see either of these over the weekend? Were they any good?
Have you seen anything else good since Memorial Day? Guilty pleasures perfectly acceptable.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
I was dying to go see a movie yesterday but just couldn't find anything worth going to see.
I saw Dinner for Schmucks and that was o……k….
I had a few laughs, but I don’t think it will stand the test of time as far as comedies go. And of course, Inception is awesome (but, you’ve probably already seen that).
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant to see Scott Pilgrim but ran out of time
I’m a big, big fan of the director from his Channel 4 days
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I know what I don't recommend
Locking yourself in a car with three kids (7, 3, 2) and “The Princess and the Frog” on endless repeat on the DVD player, and then driving to Schenectady with them.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Because that's the last movie I've seen
or at least heard.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I love having older kids.
“Hey, here’s the laptop. Here’s the headphones splitter so you both can hear. Watch “Over the Hedge” or something, huh?"
And my wife and I listen to an audiobook of my choosing for the 550 miles to South Carolina. Worked like a charm.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Remember what road trips were like before in-car DVD players?
Back in the day, driving from Baltimore to Jacksonville, FL in one day to visit my grandparents…
In retrospect I really don’t know how my sister and I didn’t drive my parents completely insane.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh seriously
me and my two sisters in the back of our mini van, back before minivan seats were anything but those two uncomfortable benches, driving to Chicago. Our activities included seeing how many grapes/marshmallows/m&ms we could stuff into our mouths (until my sister almost died choking, that ended that), fighting over which one of us had to lay on the floor when we all wanted to stretch out (Robin always lost. Always), trying to read and then feeling carsick and complaining to our parents.
Hm, I wonder why we didn’t take more trips.
Keep these going, I love hearing about the old days.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I could never read w/o getting car sick either.
But I would always pack about 2 dozen comic books nonetheless
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and we did have our gameboy in later years
but only one for the three of us, and as soon as it started to get a little dark it was no good.
Gameboy, the DS's great grandpa.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tetris, FTW!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hell yeah
We also had this game…shit what was it called. It was this little dude that looked like the 7-up dot and you used him to rearrange blocks and stuff to get out of a room. I loved that game.
We had a little light attachment for our Game Boy
So you could still play when it was dark. But there was no way the batteries were going to last the whole way on a long trip. Since this was before the days where rechargeable batteries were common, of course.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
At least you had a minivan
Over the years, we took our vacations in a Chevrolete Chevette, Dodge Omni, or a two-door Civic hatchback. Two adults and two kids,
Try a pickup with a cap on it
From Salisbury to NOVA FUCKING SCOTIA.
And get back to me, will ya?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Nova Scotia
to Florida.. although that WAS in a Grand Marquis, so I did not feel your pain so much. :>
Toronto to Orlando
Mid/Late ’60s Ford station waggon. Mom, Dad & 4 kids (16,15, 11 & 4).
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Sometimes we did just that
My dad had an ‘82 S-10 single cab that we would take on scout trips. Usually it was just me, him, and my brother, but sometimes all four of us would pack ourselves in there and go someplace. For a time we were small enough that it kind of worked. Then, there was a long period of time where it didn’t.
Maybe I wasn't clear
I was in the BACK, under the cap.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
So you just lied down and did nothing?
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go see the Expendables because
of the cast. You could just have the cast say Stallone and the Governator and it’d be awesome, but when you add Rouke, Couture and those other guys, that’s freaking insane.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
'the other guys' was actually pretty hilarious...
I had my doubts at first, but all in all it was pretty good I thought.
What up?
by snakethejake on Aug 16, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone here been watching Rubicon?
Starting off pretty slow, but AMC is really on fire with original series.
I watched first episode when it came on after Mad Men, there seemed to be so much going on.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There feels like theres a ton going on
but somehow very little seems to actually happen. Probably need to pick up the pace a little soon, or at least clarify the story some.
I watched the first episode
But I wasn’t really paying attention, so I felt like I needed to watch it again, but I never did.
Good story?
Couldn't really tell you yet
They’re setting up a big conspiracy story, but details are still really fuzzy.
I kinda feel bad for Raffy
and all of the other players that got caught up in the steroid era. From what I can tell, everyone was on steroids, making it a level playing field. On this level playing field, these guys were the best of the best; but because that field happened to be littered with evenly distributed syringes, it is going to preclude them all from Cooperstown.
If Palmeiro played in the 70’s and popped speed pills before games to give him that competitive edge, it wouldn’t have made him any better in the morality department, but it would get him a bronze bust in upstate NY.
Now I don’t believe for a second that he was injecting vitamins that happened to be tainted with steroids for all of the obvious reasons (vitamins are available in non-injection forms / major league players have access to nutrionists and trainers that he could have consulted for a vitamin regimen instead of importing them from a cousin’s neighbor’s friend’s pharmacist in the Dominican / Jose Canseco said he did it, and Jose Canseco has never steered me wrong before), but that doesn’t mean that his body of work is worth less than a bunch of other Hall of Fame members of questionable moral integrity who happened to play in a time when they didn’t have the option of taking steroids.
How many of those revered greats from times of yore would have taken a bite of the forbidden fruit if it was easily available to them? And if Lou Gehrig (a player we can all agree had high moral fiber) didn’t juice, but it was available to everyone else of his era and others did, would he have even made it into the lineup?
We are punishing the greatest players of my late childhood (and early adulthood) for playing in the steroid era. The ones that juiced won’t be in the Hall because they juiced. The ones that would have been the best of their generation but chose the moral high road also won’t be in the Hall because their numbers will not compare to those who did (with a few exceptions like Griffey).
So actually, now that I think about it, I don’t feel bad for Raffy, I feel bad for fans like me. Growing up, Hall enshrinements were all for guys that came before, or guys that played when I was little. And now, there is going to be a big gap in the history of the game. It’s like 15 years of great baseball moments never happened. Sosa? McGwire? Palmeiro? Clemens? ARod? Manny? I remember when they dominated the game. But when I’m old and wrinkly and take my grandkids up to Cooperstown to show them the game that I love from a time when I was a young whippersnapper, what will I have to show them? Not much.
Whoa, CC has 5 head honchos.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
What are you talking about?
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea what he's talking about
It’s still just me, duck, and zk. I did bump James up because sometimes I like for him to proofread my stuff for me and he didn’t have access to my drafts under his old role.
Maybe Westie finally staged that overthrow when you weren't looking.
You can look far and wide, but you'll never discover a stranger city with such extreme style. It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
subject
This is what I see.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Big version
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i think she wants you to make it bigger still
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
by Andrew_G on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what...
Shit, that was WAY too easy.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
oh.
i thought you meant you couldn’t go on the site, not see any embed pics from the site.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And now I'm exiled from the cool kids' table! *sob*
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Elba is where all the cool dictators end up
just sayin’
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
someone needs to shoot that fucking bear
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Godless killing machines!
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
damn faster interwebz searcher!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
THREATDOWN!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Leads AL relievers in innings pitched... now has partial labrum tear and rotator cuff fraying.
Correlation does not equate to causation, of course, but still, you gotta wonder, if DDT and the Windmill didn’t have to ride him so hard…
Not that I’m blaming our former manager or interim manager. The starting rotation was bad and somebody had to fill in some innings. Berken really stepped up which is why it sucks that he’s hurt for his trouble.
You can look far and wide, but you'll never discover a stranger city with such extreme style. It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 16, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well, forunately Berken is *only* a reliever
and I kind of wanted to see what the incredible hurk can do anyway…but its still too bad.
Anyone know when Jim Johnson’s coming back?
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Hey twisted and K&B and Phil
I made up a spreadsheet of all those beers. I thought it would be just dorky enough if you wanted to add names to it and update when you’ve checked one off.
By the way, there are 745 of them. Get drinkin’!
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aj8MyiRJNujsdHNPY01zRDI3MnlCeTBhMDktclp4VUE&hl=en&gid=0
The other night twisted and knubles were making plans
to try every beer on some giant beer list from some giant liquor store, then Phil jumped in the next day in the game thread.
Wow. I might just try and get in on this fun too.
I go to a place called State Line Liquors up here. Their selection is top-notch. I noticed the spreadsheet list doesn’t include my favorite import Augustiner Brau. Definitely worth checking out for those interested.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 16, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said
(forgive me for being such a nerd) but I was thinking anyone who wanted to play could get their name at the top and get edit permissions to go in and update as they had one of the beers. I liked the idea of picking a beer for the gamethread, too.
If I weren't a minor, this would seem really cool and fun.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering that I couldn't do it legally, yes.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yesssss
you rock. i’ve totally started my beer drinking with a nice cold one or two…….or five……
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 16, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and i just printed that
this is awesome
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 16, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and i'm doing all of the ciders too
since i just had three different varieties of those
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 16, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and you left off "bud dry"
i was particularly interested in that one since i didnt even know they made that shit
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaahaha ok
I’ll add in bud dry, that was a mistake.
And I originally had the ciders on there but I wasn’t sure if y’all wanted them. I can add them back.
awesome
i’m continuing my journey down the list.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 17, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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