Orioles fans don't like the Yankees. Surprised?
Last Wednesday I posted a story asking how much you hate other teams. As probably could have been predicted, there are really only two teams that are almost universally hated by O's fans and a third that we view with some contempt. For the most part we don't care about most teams, as a fanbase we don't really LIKE any other teams (besides the Twins, because who doesn't like them), but we are divided on a few.
True Blue Orange Fans
Of 145 total votes, only 2 people didn't give the Orioles a one. Neither the person who gave the O's a 2 nor the person who gave them a 3 voted any other team higher than that, so I guess it's just a matter of not loving them as much as possible. That's fine by me; they have been terrible for years.
It surprised me that so many people gave out multiple ones. There were sixteen number ones doled out to teams not named the Orioles. I can understand having two teams, but I can't understand them being totally equal. I mean, you have to have a #1 team, don't you? To the person who gave a one to both the Orioles and Yankees, who do you root for when they play each other? And furthermore, how do you live with yourself? Even I, who have admitted to having a shameful affair with the Rays, wouldn't dare rate them a one.
United in Hate
It's no surprise that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays were the main recipients of ire in this exercise. A bit further down the line you can toss in the Mets and the Angels, but the Mets actually have a few supporters. I don't really get why people hate the Mets, other than the fact that their fans (at least the ones I've met) might be the biggest sad sacks I've ever known. They seem kind of harmless otherwise.
Easy to Like
Only two teams received nearly universal high marks other than the Orioles. The first, the Minnesota Twins, is no surprise. The Twins seem to be a team that most people, not just Orioles fans, can get on board with. I've always admired their competent front office, that's for sure, but lately they have started getting on my nerves the way they build a team that's just good enough to win the A.L. Central. I know the playoffs are a crap shoot for the most part, but you can't just put the Twins up against a team like the Yankees and expect anything from them.
The second team to get votes mostly on the "like" side of the spectrum is the Atlanta Braves. That surprised me at first, but I'm going to go ahead and chalk this up to two things. The first is the TBS effect. I don't even know how many Braves games I watched growing up simply because they were on, and I know a lot of you did the same. The second reason for the high marks I assume has to be how good this team was in the 1990s when so many of us were in our formative years. They always seemed like the nice version of the Yankees to me when I was a kid.
Underdog Syndrome
Three teams got relatively high marks thanks to their status as underdogs. None are loved by the O's fan base, but all get scored on the friendly side of neutral.
The Rockies won many fans over with their miracle run to the World Series in 2007 and the residual good feelings make them likeable to many. They have of course been in the race every year since then so they aren't exactly underdogs, but it's hard to turn on the team that many hoped would take down the Red Sox.
The Brewers are another team that people like to root for although their magical postseason appearance was actually kind of pathetic. They're kind of the anti-Cubs, really, which automatically endears them to a number of people. It's worth noting they only got one 9 vote, the least of any team besides the Orioles.
Newcomers to the underdog position, the Reds might only have gotten more positive votes because of their position this season, currently one game up on the Cardinals in the NL Central.
A Birdland Divided
If you just looked at their average scores you might not realize these teams are actually drastically split among Birdland voters. The Nationals, Pirates, Phillies, and Rays are all, for fairly obvious reasons, looked upon very differently by our fanbase.
The Pittsburgh Pirates are paying for their past sins. Nobody really loves the Pirates, they got a number of 3s and 4s probably due to their current loser status, points for being the underdog as well as points for our fanbases being kindred spirits. Those things are important to me; I gave them a three. Other fans still hold a grudge as the Pirates are responsible for two of the Orioles World Series losses in the seventies. Plus, given the rivalry between two other teams from our respective cities, some people just hate Pittsburgh.
The Tampa Bay Rays were the only team to average an even 5.0 by voters, but the results were far from neutral. I think it's safe to say that if the Rays were in any other division their score would have been quite a bit higher and they could have fit easily into the underdog category, but being a very good team in the AL East is enough for some people to give them a less than friendly score. There are others of us who are still happy to see another team doing damage in the AL East and who enjoy the young talent on the team. Give the Rays a few more years doing what they're doing and the Birdland supporters will fall away.
The Nationals and Phillies both fall under the umbrella of geography. Both teams are relatively close to Baltimore, both play in the National league, both have divisive fan bases (Philly fans are jerks! Nats fans used to be O's fans!), and depending upon where we live, they might all be on our televisions every night. Any and all of those reasons serve to both draw and repel fans. Only the Red Sox and Yankees drew more 9 votes than the Phillies and Nationals, but they were also the only teams other than the Red Sox and Cubs to get more than one 1 vote, and join just the Braves, Nats, Twins, and O's for having more than 10 votes of 1 or 2.
East Coast Bias
The remaining fifteen teams didn't garner much attention either positive or negative, and all except the Marlins have one thing in common: they're not from the east coast. And can we really count the Marlins as an east coast baseball team? I don't think that we can. There were a handful of very high or very low marks for these teams, but for the most part they didn't garner much interest at all. The most neutral of all teams, the Arizona Diamondbacks, got a whopping seventy-seven 5 votes. Attention to all of you mid-west and west coast teams: if you want us to pay attention to you, maybe you should have an amazing end of season run to get to the playoffs or be bad forever and then get good, or maybe beat the Orioles in a world series or two thirty years ago.
Below are the detailed scores for each team:
| A.L. East | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yankees |
1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 8 | 129 | 8.69 |
| Rays | 1 | 7 | 32 | 31 | 15 | 23 | 18 | 11 | 7 | 5.00 |
| Red Sox | 1 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 6 | 15 | 26 | 85 | 7.97 |
| Blue Jays | 0 | 0 | 4 | 11 | 28 | 28 | 26 | 26 | 22 | 6.57 |
| Orioles | 143 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.02 |
| A.L. Central | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Twins |
1 | 15 | 15 | 37 | 34 | 13 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 4.26 |
| White Sox |
0 | 1 | 15 | 31 | 37 | 27 | 22 | 8 | 4 | 5.32 |
| Tigers | 0 | 5 | 16 | 33 | 41 | 30 | 16 | 3 | 1 | 4.97 |
| Indians | 0 | 2 | 13 | 34 | 47 | 22 | 13 | 6 | 9 | 5.27 |
| Royals | 0 | 7 | 15 | 34 | 65 | 13 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 4.70 |
| A.L. West | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rangers |
0 | 5 |
13 | 32 | 37 | 25 | 21 | 5 | 7 | 5.26 |
| Angels |
0 | 2 | 7 | 25 | 30 | 32 | 35 | 10 | 5 | 5.72 |
| Athletics | 1 | 2 | 11 | 25 | 57 | 21 | 18 | 7 | 3 | 5.23 |
| Mariners | 1 | 8 | 15 | 33 | 57 | 17 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 4.73 |
| N.L. East | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves |
1 | 13 | 22 | 30 | 34 | 22 | 14 | 5 | 4 | 4.75 |
| Phillies |
3 | 9 | 15 | 29 | 13 | 19 | 20 | 13 | 24 | 5.66 |
| Mets | 0 | 4 | 13 | 18 |
28 |
24 | 23 | 21 | 14 | 5.92 |
| Marlins | 1 | 7 | 12 | 39 | 49 | 17 | 13 | 5 | 2 | 4.85 |
| Nationals | 2 | 11 | 16 | 22 | 19 | 22 | 20 | 10 | 23 | 5.61 |
| N.L. Central | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Reds |
0 | 9 | 21 | 41 | 50 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 4.57 |
| Cardinals |
1 | 5 | 21 | 30 | 38 | 17 | 19 | 8 | 6 | 5.05 |
| Brewers | 0 | 8 | 25 | 31 |
54 |
13 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 4.59 |
| Astros | 0 | 2 | 3 | 24 | 71 | 19 | 12 | 6 | 4 | 5.23 |
| Cubs | 2 | 9 | 22 | 25 | 26 | 24 | 20 | 8 | 9 | 5.14 |
| Pirates | 0 | 7 | 20 | 20 | 46 | 14 | 16 | 7 | 15 | 5.32 |
| N.L. West | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Padres |
1 | 7 | 16 | 41 | 57 | 15 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 4.59 |
| Giants |
2 | 7 | 20 | 25 | 56 | 20 | 8 | 3 | 4 | 4.77 |
| Rockies | 1 | 7 | 27 | 37 |
55 |
8 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 4.43 |
| Dodgers | 2 | 6 | 12 | 27 | 43 | 28 | 10 | 9 | 8 | 5.21 |
| Diamondbacks | 1 | 3 | 10 | 41 | 77 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 4.66 |
Charts! Because why not? They're pretty. Other than the Yankees, Rays, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles, Twins, Angels, Nationals, Phillies, and Pirates, all of the teams had a pretty normal distribution with the least amount of votes at the extremes and the most at 5 (neutral). Of those twenty teams, 12 got more votes on the positive, 8 more votes on the negative.



Well, that was fun. And kinda pointless.
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Why hate the Mets?
Two reasons. Foremost, 1969. Need I say more?
Second, they’re from New York, and we know how we feel about that other New York team, right?
My hatred of the Mets is tied to my Phillies loyalty
Before moving here i was somewhat positive on the Mets, only because they weren’t the Yankees. If i had moved to New York and not Philly, I probably would have become a Mets fan.
Same story here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Happened in the same year as Super Bowl 3
It was a terrible sports year for Baltimore so any team from NYC should be hated
by browsermetrics on Aug 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You sound like my dad.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 17, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the mets...
because I have to listen to NY sports radio. Well, not really have to, but the few times I do turn on the sports radio. Ugh, they’re just as bad as Yankee fans…..
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 17, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh...
NY sports radio is the worst. But I think the Yanks fans are WAY worse. The Yankees lose two games in a row in April and the sky is falling down. The manager’s a bum and they should have signed another All-Star in the off-season. Then at the trade deadline, the callers come on the shows and say how they should get Prince Fielder and Corey Hart for a bag of peanuts and a game program. Then, when they lose two in a row in September they are calling for Cashman’s head. They complain when they are up 10 games in the East on the last day of the season. They complain every day during the playoffs win or lose. Then, after the team wins the world series they go out and rub it in people’s noses. Ugh, I am getting fired up just thinking about it. Can I fill out this survey again, and give the Yankees a write in vote of 999?
Like us...
…Mets fan hate the Yankees. They’re also pretty cool for the most part and very loyal. We’re talking about a group of people who could easily cheer for the team with the 27 World Series rings, but choose to cheer for the underdog instead. I have no beef with Met fans.
the only reason i don't like the mets..
and it’s only because of one fan, whom I don’t even know.. But I get to go to a very few O’s games… And last season I was at an Orioles/Rangers game, and there was a fan of the Mets a couple rows behind me… THE WHOLE GAME, which was ridiculous, he kept talking about the Mets, and how great the Mets were.. And going “Let’s go Mets.. oops they aren’t playing,” etc, etc.. So, this one traumatic experience has sullied the Mets for me.
What up?
by snakethejake on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It surprised me that so many people gave out multiple ones. There were sixteen number ones doled out to teams not named the Orioles. I can understand having two teams, but I can’t understand them being totally equal. I mean, you have to have a #1 team, don’t you?
Immediately after submitting, i regretted giving the Phillies a 1 and not a 2. They’re a close 2nd, but I didn’t intend to put them on equal footing with the Orioles. If theres any conflict of interest between the two teams, its an easy decision.
To the person who gave a one to both the Orioles and Yankees, who do you root for when they play each other? And furthermore, how do you live with yourself?
this^
gahhh, fail
i can’t figure out these stupid blockquotes
I didn't realize Mark Teixeira from fifteen years ago was on CC
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Alright...
out yourself! Who put down the one for the O’s and the MFY?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 17, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
What if it was you?
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 17, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very disappointed in the neutrality shown to the Rangers
considering the asswhoopings they’ve dealt us over the years
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
I think I gave the Rangers a 2
They are probably my 2nd favorite team…
That lineup is just nasty and Josh Hamilton is just a freak to watch hit. I even hiked down there last year to see a game.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i think of the Rangers as a contingency plan..
just waiting for them to hopefully kick the MFY or PHN out of the playoffs hopefully..
What up?
by snakethejake on Aug 17, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think i said hopefully enough..
I’m pretty hopeful.
What up?
by snakethejake on Aug 17, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Palmer & Thorne must read CC
There are your 1 votes for the MFY & PHN explained.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Not enough people hate Boston
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
agreed
Texas’ 30-3 ass-whuppin was bad, but have we forgotten the Mother’s Day Massacre?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 17, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Try as I might
I can’t get myself to hate Boston. I have two favorite baseball teams. The Orioles and whoever is playing the Yankees. When the Red Sox beat the Yankees after being down 3-0 in that ALCS, that was one of the happiest moments I have had watching baseball in October. Yes, their fans are jerks (I went to two ALCS games here in Tampa, the two that the Red Sox won and they were so obnoxious I almost choked a couple… and I’m obviously not even a Rays fan) and yes they act like the small market underdog when they spend more than anyone outside of NY. But they beat the Yankees. They embarrased them in that series. That alone earned them a 4 from me.
That ALCS was the last time I truely didn't hate the Sox
or maybe it was right up until they won the series. Regardless, i’ve hated them since. Their fans became insta-douches and I despise them. My Yankees hate goes way back, but the Red Sox fans made that team catch up real quick.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i hate boston
and i’m all that matters, duh.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate so many teams, it’s probably unhealthy.
I cannot stand the obvious choices, the Red Sox, Yankees and Blue Jays. However, I hate the Nationals more than any team on the face of the planet. I hope Strasburg and Harper are both busts and Zimmerman leaves that franchise.
The Cubs, Phillies, Cardinals, Angels, Mets, Dodgers are also terrible, awful teams.
I do really like the Rockies, Rays and Rangers though. Oh and the Orioles are nice too
I missed the voting
but just went through the list for kicks. The one team that I was really torn about was the White Sox. I went to a game at U.S. Cellular a couple years ago and had a great time, something about their fan base reminds me of people from Baltimore, and I have a strange and unprovoked dislike of the Cubs so they get a little bump for that. But at the same time Ozzie Guillen is kind of annoying and I really can’t stand A.J. Pierzynski.
The only other tough decision was where to rank the Phillies and Yankees. I think right now I might actually hate the Phillies more than the Yankees because their fans are so unbelievably obnoxious (and they’re really proud of that reputation) but the Yankees are … the Yankees.
I think I ended up with the Red Sox as my only 9 and the Yankees and Phillies as 8s.
"Now let's quit talkin' about it and get it started."
--Buck Showalter
I was out of town and missed the voting
I’ll tell you how you get two #1 teams. My parents and older siblings grew up in one town and moved to another. One is a national league town and the other is, of course, Baltimore. The younger siblings grew up with the O’s. The family roots for both teams and neither is one of the obnoxious teams you are duty bound to loathe. They both used to have super good ball teams and we’re hoping it returns someday.
Why do we hate the Blue Jays?
Are their fans jerks? It’s not like they’ve actually won anything significant in recent memory.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
CITO SUCKS!
We battled Toronto in 89, 92 and 93 and the Jays always got the best of us. The insult to injury was the 93 ASG in Baltimore when there were a crapload of Jays on the American League team. We only had two players (Cal and Mussina) and in the 9th he let his own closer (Duane Ward) close out the game even though Mussina was warming up in the pen.
The boos rained down after the AL won the game.
Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes
Indeed...
the best part of the ASG story was that (according to legend) Moose started warming up on his own. much to Cito’s surprise.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
To people who are about my age (right around 30)
we grew up in the brief time period when the Blue Jays were like the Yankees are now. They won back-to-back World Series, they always bested the Orioles, we hated them.
Oh.
Then I really have no reason to hate them. But I understand why you guys do. Generally if sports-related things don’t happen in my lifetime I care very little about them. Does that make any sense? There are other areas of life where that’s different, you know, politics and culture etc. etc. because those things have lasting impacts that can bleed over and indirectly (or actually directly sometimes) affect my life. But I have nothing personal against the Blue Jays, so I’m going to continue on my path of disdain for the Sox and Yankees.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Sure. That's how I feel about the Pirates.
Lots of old school Orioles fans hate them still but I can’t get worked up over it.
True...
but since the Jays re-hired Cito, the statute of limitations goes out the window. I’ll never forget looking at the front page of the WaPo, wondering how in the hell the Blue Jays had probably half the AL AS roster in 1993. Fucking Cito still sucks.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 17, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't hate them like I hate the YankSox
I mean I was in the very infancy of my fandom when that happened (it was actually the very first year I had been to Baltimore and started taking an interest in the O’s). I barely knew what was going on, so I didn’t hate them for it so much at the time. I just know what happened now and I have always known that they were our divison rival so I never had any love for them. Also, they are from Canada. I have no hate for Canadians, but it’s the American league. C’mon now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Seriously?
That’s a pretty shortsighted view. Jackie Robinson didn’t happen in your lifetime, yet that has a huge impact on American politics and culture and your life.
She did say "generally"
and also that it wasn’t true of political things. I’d imagine 42 would fall under one of those umbrellas.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
They have a large portion of similarities to what the O's could become
Good small market team with a great catcher, a smart front office that seems to always make the right moves, and a beautiful ballpark.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Admittedly, some of my reasons for hating them are personal.
But how is it the Twins gain so much respect around baseball when they can’t get the first round of the playoffs, ever? (please, for heaven’s sake don’t say “they play ball the right way”!) And why would Oriole fans be kindly disposed to them when they helped end a 40 year long relationship with the Red Wings?
by owllover711 on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Taste in their feet?
OK. Well I see you are a Tigers fan as well as an O’s fan, which is all well and good, but until 1997 the Tigers and Orioles were division rivals. I don’t absolutely hate the Tigers, but I much rather see the Twins win any day of the week.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
+1
Screw the Tigers. Go Twins! Go O’s!
Ski-U-Mah!
by CrazyCollegian on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd almost forgotten about the realignment and formation of the Central divisions.
At any rate, back then I barely paid attention to the Tigers; I’ve only been a fan of theirs since 2003. And I live in Rochester; the Red Wings have been absolutely ruined by becoming part of the Twins’ farm system. That’s part of the reason I hate them so much.
by owllover711 on Aug 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions

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