Thursday Bird Droppings
by duck on Aug 19, 2010 8:52 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of yesterday's loss can be found at The Sun, Orioles.com, School of Roch (with post-game Showalter), and Seattle P-I.
Orioles: Manny Machado to be introduced Sept. 3 or 4, join GCL Orioles on Sunday
Manny Machado will take his physical today or Friday, then head to Florida to begin games with the GCL Orioles. He will get a Camden Yards intro in early September.
Hernandez will not return until September | orioles.com: News
"David Hernandez (left ankle sprain) has started throwing at the Orioles' Spring Training facility in Sarasota, Fla., but manager Buck Showalter said he doesn't expect the reliever to return until rosters expand in September."
Johnson could return by month's end | orioles.com: News
"Orioles reliever Jim Johnson will throw back-to-back rehab outings for Class A Advanced Frederick beginning Friday, and he is thought to be at least a week away from returning."
Izturis wants to stay with Orioles - Carroll County Times: Orioles
It might best serve Baltimore to bring back the light-hitting, strong-defending Izturis. And if that’s the route the Orioles choose, they’re in luck because Izturis said Wednesday that he wants to re-sign with the club. "I would like to," Izturis said. "Now it’s a group of people here that they want to win and yeah, I’ve had two years here, a good experience."
Brown, Adam Jones still see things eye to eye - The News Tribune
Adam Jones gave his former minor league manager a warm welcome and vocal support when they met this week before Monday's game.
Showalter faces off vs. Rangers for first time | orioles.com: News
"Orioles manager Buck Showalter swears there won't be any feelings of déjà vu when he looks around the field at Camden Yards on Thursday and sees the Texas Rangers in the opposing dugout."
The Schmuck Stops Here: Orioles resurrection: Still a work in progress
"It's pretty obvious that the Orioles are a better team today than they were two months ago, but they still do things that make you want to tear out your hair. Like a strange little span in the fifth inning of last night's game when Luke Scott and Adam Jones combined to get nine consecutive pitches out of the strike zone from Mariners starter David Pauley and swung at five of them."
Baseball’s Golden Age: Right Now - Forbes
"Nostalgia holds that the 1950s represented baseball’s golden era. They didn’t. Thomson’s famous ninth-inning, final-game homer off Ralph Branca to give the New York Giants the 1951 National League pennant over the Brooklyn Dodgers occurred in front of 34,000 fans in the 55,000-seat Polo Grounds. These days, can anyone imagine a post season game played in front of 19,000 empty seats?"
What’s With All The Bunting? | Camden Crazies
All the Showalter bunting got you down? Let Daniel put your mind at ease.
IN THE MINORS
Orioles: Manny Machado to be introduced Sept. 3 or 4, join GCL Orioles on Sunday
Manny Machado will take his physical today or Friday, then head to Florida to begin games with the GCL Orioles. He will get a Camden Yards intro in early September.
No glass chin for Guerrero -- it's made of plastic | The Daily Times
Salisbury boxer Fernando Guerrero gets his own bobble doll at the Shorebirds Friday. The gloves, not his head, will bobble. The NABO and NABF middleweight champ will be on hand to sign autographs.
Conley starts to feel at home with Frederick - The Frederick News-Post Online
Brian Conley was having a good year at Delmarva, but the real reason he was promoted to Frederick? They were down to two active outfielders. Last time I checked, you need three.
American Chronicle | Narron adjusting to life as a professional
"For now, Connor Narron's life has a simple routine: wake up and play baseball." That's not a bad schedule at all.
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- Aug. 18
Delmarva was rained out and will play a double-header today.
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In fairness
those GCL games start fairly early in the day, iirc.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Yup, most games are noon starts
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
yeah, just read the article, he says he's up at 6:30
and at the stadium by 7:45. Still, it’s not a bad life.
it's a pretty sweet deal I think
My buddies used to go fishing, gambling, beach, etc in the later afternoon/early evening after the games. Then just get to sleep early and do it again the next day. Really a decent life.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Especially with a $650K bonus to play with
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
by duck on Aug 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
although my friends had a decent time with no bonus. One of them was filthy rich and lived in his family’s beach house so probably not the best example, but the other guy didn’t have a dime other than his monthly check and had a great time. They both said the bonus babies and the guys who come down to rehab do a great job taking care of the rest of the guys. One of them was actually lucky enough to go out on a fishing boat rented by Pedro when he was down rehabbing/prepping with them.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I just added a new link
to Daniel Moroz’s breakdown off all the bunting since Buck got here. It’s really, really good. Definitely recommend.
http://camdencrazies.com/2010/08/19/whats-with-all-the-bunting/
Damn, that was really well written.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I was actually thinking about that this morning
How much of a free pass are we going to give Buck for the sac-bunting? I thought last night’s was pretty indefensible. Looking at what Daniel wrote, it dropped our win expectancy by 6%, which is a huge difference. The least he could have done was bring in Corey to do it. Corey is a lefty with more speed than Lugo, so he would have had a better chance of beating it out, and the M’s most likely would have had to play him a little more straight up, since he’s a better hitter than Lugo. Lugo barely even jogged halfway down the line.
Also, some of his quotes are starting to concern me. He told Crasnick that he would rather see Nick hit 10 HR’s with a .300 BA than 30 HR’s with a .260 BA. That sounds like the anti-Adam Dunn movement all over again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100818
i believe he also said 300 BA with all the doubles and taking walks
Which i agree with
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
“The home run column doesn’t concern me,” Showalter said. “Would it surprise me to see Nick hit 30 next year? No. Would it surprise me to see him hit 10 this year? No. If he hits 30 home runs next year and hits .260 and doesn’t have as many doubles and strikes out a lot more, I’m not going to like that a whole lot.”
In that context, I COMPLETELY agree with Buck
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
he doesn't mention walks
and if he starts K-ing a bit more and loses some doubles to hit 30 HR’s, I would be happy, as long as he keeps up the walks.
I know a K is just like any other out
But if K’s are up and avg is way down, walks probably dont stay and OBP is probably going to suffer a good bit.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely disagree,
if his K’s are up, he’s probably looking at more pitches, which likely means his walks will also be up. Not to mention the fact that if he’s hitting with more power, pitchers will be more scared of him and try to pitch around him more.
It most likely doesn’t make a difference though, because most of the time when players see big power jumps, it comes from doubles turning into homeruns. So, his K’s will probably stay pretty close to the same, he’ll hit a few more fly balls than line drives, so his BABIP will drop, and his walks will probably go up because pitchers are more scared of him.
Do you know of any place...
that breaks down the outcome (2B, in this case) with their hit type (LD, FB, etc.)? I’d be curious to see how many of Nick’s doubles have been fly balls.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
this is the best I could find,
it would take a while to go through the whole list and organize it, but they have every batted ball type and outcome listed there
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsp.aspx?playerid=5930&position=OF&season=2010
Now you're getting into Three True Outcomes territory.
There is that class of baseball player that is a power hitter who’s selective about what pitch he wants to try to drive for a home run. His strikeouts will be more likely to be looking than swinging, and he’ll take walks if he doesn’t get run up by the ump. When he does get that ball to drive, home runs and doubles happen.
I mean, look at a guy like Adam Dunn. .266 BA with 150 K? Not impressive. But .352 OBP, that’s not tops in the league but we’d sure love to see a team full of guys with .352 and up. That’s higher than everyone not named Nick Markakis and Luke Scott. Dunn’s slugging .560 and that puts his OPS in top-15 in MLB. Luke Scott is #10.
But since we’re talking about Nick Markakis and whether or not he should try to be one of these players, I say no. I just don’t think that’s who he is. Until this recent slump he was hitting over .300 with an OBP in the .390s (last day both of these were true was July 18) and I like that with 10-15 HRs better. We can find another guy who’s probably a DH/1B type to be one of those 30-40 HR, 200K players.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
We all need to appreciate Nick for who he is
if we had 9 of him, we’d probably have a damn good offense. A really strange defense, though.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I'm not saying he should change, I love Nick,
but his walk rate looks like AJ’s over the last couple months, and his power right now isn’t near good enough to make him worth his contract. Again, not to be the debbie downer, but his June and July numbers look like his numbers from last year. If he goes back to his numbers from last year, he better start hitting some HR’s, if he goes back to walking and OBP-ing how he was from April-June, I will have no complaints.
But the point of this is, that Buck didn’t mention anything about his walks or OBP, all he wanted was the batting average to stay around .300 with 10 HR’s instead of .260 with 30 HR’s.
more importantly
I’ve seen instances of lollygagging. Has Buck made them accountable?
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
More importantly, I definitely have not seen anyone focus easy.
That’s the worst part, we just need these guys to focus easy, and Buck just hasn’t been able to make that happen.
we shoulda hired Dempsey
I just KNEW it!!
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
by Andrew_G on Aug 19, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting
I think it’s encouraging overall. He’s getting a little unlucky right now and it’s also clear that he needs to get better. He seems like a smart guy with all the tools, so I’m confident that he’ll work hard on the things that he can control and that when he improves and his luck gets better he’ll really have something.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Matusz is an interesting case
He totally breezed through the minors. Had nothing to learn there. And then he gets to the majors and it’s like, WHAM, welcome to the AL East son, here’s your flak jacket.
There’s nothing to be done from a roster point of view, he’s just got to take his lumps like a man and take advantage of any mentoring he can get.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Also, I love in-depth analyses based on BABIP
during seasons where we had an infield defense of Tejada learning 3B, Wigglyton at 2B, and, wait, did we even have a 1B?
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Thin air would have grounded into fewer double plays than Garrett Atkins.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No to Cesar coming back...
at this point he owes us money given his play.
I'm a Dude, playing a Dude, disguisde as Another Dude
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
That my thought.
Have Andino play SS? No thanks.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not Andino...
but for what Cesar would likely cost, I’d still rather give Andino a real shot, assuming there is literally no one else to play the position.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone, anyone...
starting with a replacement level player would be a nice touch.
OT – Wow, I fucked up the sig line pretty bad. So much for trying.
I'm a Dude, playing a Dude, disguisde as Another Dude
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, i know he's replacement level this year,
but i’m not completely sold that he’s worthless. He’s been basically the same hitter this year as last year if you normalize his BABIP, and while his defensive numbers have fallen off a cliff, I think they can bounce back a little and he could be worth 1 WAR or so next year. If he’s willing to take a paycut (unlikely) I would rather have him up here than Andino or whoever else we might take a flier on.
Again, I don’t necessarily want him back, but if he comes cheap he might be our best choice.
If the deal is less than...
$2 million, I could see it, as we already have “the guy” in the system so you wouldn’t be beholden to keeping Izturis around for more than a year or two.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
also, per cot's contracts,
he’s only getting 2.5 million this year
"The guy" is barely old enough to vote
and can’t buy a beer until 2013. Let’s not anoint him Cal the Third just yet.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Scratch that
He can’t vote yet.
OK, maybe he could, if he’s in MD and his birthday is before the general election. But the point stands. This kid still needs an adult to buy a ticket to an R-rated movie for him. He ain’t solving nothing by 2012.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Nope turned 18 on July 6
Damn, I’m just gonna stop now while I’m behind.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Impressive.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You only have to be 17 to see an R-rated movie anyway.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless I'm completely wrong, which is always a distinct possibility.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
Your point still stands. Unless this kid is the next Al Kaline or Robin Yount, I don’t expect to see him at SS for a few years.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I'm impressed you went Al Kaline or Robin Yount
i would’ve gone A-Rod, but your point stands.
Well he IS A-Rod lite, isn't he?
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Minus the roids, arrogance, and picture of himself on a horse's body
Basically.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
and raw talent
I’m with Jonesy: stop comparing a high schooler to one of the best players in this era of baseball (if not THE best).
There’s also the fact that Manny Mo gets A-Rod comps because they’re both shortstops from a Miami high school of mixed heritage…which is irrelevant, obivously, to how good of a player Manny’ll be.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Apparently your snark meter is broken today.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
its in the shop today, turns out the wires weren’t actually connected to anything.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
lol
It’s all good.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
don't feel too bad, i was about to type the
same thing before I scrolled farther down and realized someone else had already made that mistake
Not doing that...
by any stretch, I used the term to describe Machado because he’s pretty much the plan at SS going forward. How far into the future? Probably a ways. I just don’t want to see the Orioles offer a deal to Izturis that is going to keep him here longer than he needs to be.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
We need a SS for the next 3 years, easily
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
First:
Am I the only one shocked, shocked that Cesar is only 30 years old. I’m not sure if this makes me more or less interested in bringing him back.
Second:
Bring him back for a year or two, but not at his current salary, which isn’t all that expensive to begin with. I know that there are bigger problems to address (the corners, primarily) but it just seems silly to pay for a name brand guy when a AAAA guy will do.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have a problem with the O's
losing a million dollars or so on Cesar’s production. I’m not a huge fan of converting WAR into dollars anyway. The Orioles can afford to eat some money on Cesar since there are no viable alternatives anyway.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Granted
if he keeps trending down, it won’t be long until Cesar isn’t a viable alternative, either.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I have no problem with Izturis.
It likely won’t break the bank to re-sign him and as Duck points out, we don’t have anyone in the system ready to replace him. Unless there is some FA out there next year that is markedly superior, what’s wrong with keeping Cesar around for another 2 even 3 years?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I hear...
Derek Jeter’s available…
Shortstops – Potential 2011 FA
Alex Gonzalez ATL
Cristian Guzman TEX
J.J. Hardy MIN
Omar Infante ATL *
Cesar Izturis BAL
Derek Jeter NYY
Julio Lugo BAL
Jhonny Peralta DET *
Edgar Renteria SF *
Jose Reyes NYM *
Jimmy Rollins PHI *
Ramon Vazquez HOU
Asterisk indicates either team or player-held option for 2011.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
best case scenario is late season 2012 call-up
but that’s very unlikely. More likely scenario is late-season 2013 or after the Super-2 deadline in 2014.
Either way, I don’t buy Andino, Florimon Jr. or Miclat as viable ML options in the meantime, so we might as well take Izzy back if we can get him for a year with a team option for 2012 or something like that.
On this note:
http://www.fangraphs.com/community/index.php/cesar-izturis-inexplicable-continued-employment/
Honestly, though, I’m fine with him coming back for another year or two. Maybe a one-year deal with a couple of mutual option years or something.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, i saw that too, but I agree with you
I think the guy that wrote that was cherry-picking some of his facts. Izzy had a legit case for the GG last year, this year his defense is struggling.
w/o strong defense, he's not much different than Andino.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Oh, good lord
Blount punched another dude on a football field.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Absolute moron
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The worst part
is Fisher saying he liked it? I get that football is violent and aggressive and all, but maybe don’t talk about liking it when a dude who knocked a guy out on national TV with a sucker punch punched another dude in the face? At least not to the media.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think he's not freaking out because fights break out often in training camp.
I think he likes because he’s showing raw emotion.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its far more defensible
punching a teammate during practice is far different than punching someone from the other team during an official game.
unless its hawaiian punching
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Theres fights at every training camp, context is important
Now if he does it again in a game, then he should be out of football.
He punched a dude in the head
When is that ever ok? And he’s punched before. Once a puncher, always a puncher!
In hockey?
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well i didn't say it was ok
Its just not nearly as big of a deal as the other time. He apologized and it seems like everyone involved is fine with the situation, so probably time for anyone else to just move on.
KBA is right IMO
Training camps are notorious for intersquad scuffles.
Its happened a dozen times in Ravens camp so far…
Its a non-story.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 19, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Again...
the point is NOT that a punch was thrown in training camp. It’s that a guy who was the center of a huge media shitstorm because he punched somebody national TV last year is the one who threw the punch and then the head coach didn’t seem to make the connection.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Context, my man, context
IF he does in in a game, it’s a big deal. IF he does in on the street or in a club, it’s a story. At the end of NFL camp workout? Not a story.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Well
I personally don’t really care that he did it, but obviously others do. And I also think practice, game, street, whatever if you’ve got a history of punching dudes in the face you’ve got a history of punching dudes in the face.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
This
is also the coach who had a player stomp on another dude’s face in game….
Granted, he ran the dude out of town last year, and he did a bunch of talking about how he would punish Haynesworth if the NFL’s suspension was too light, but ultimately did nothing more.
I would say that he probably realizes that Blount’s getting cut regardless. Honestly, he looked like shit against 3rd stringers the other day. And again, these things happen all the time. If he hadn’t punched some dude after a game in college, it’d be just another training camp scuffle.
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
by organizedchaos52 on Aug 20, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The big deal is not that it happened
it’s that a dude who’s already had a huge problem with this in the past did it. And then the head coach brushed it off as nothing. That’s the big deal.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Of course it's far more defensible
but you’d think that somebody as media savvy as an NFL head coach would be able to understand that the fact that the player who just punched somebody in training camp created a massive media shitstorm last year by punching a player on an opposing team and so brushing it off as no big deal might not be the best idea.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Clemens to be indicted
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/top-posts/breaking-roger-clemens-to-be-indicted.php
After a nineteen month investigation, an announcement is expected soon — possibly as early as today — that a federal grand jury is poised to indict Roger Clemens for lying under oath to Congress when he denied taking performance-enhancing drugs. The specific charges are not yet known, but they likely involve, at the very least, multiple counts of perjury.
...and once more, for the record
they tried to go this to Raffy, but couldn’t because they found no evidence to support a perjury indictment.
I kind of miss Raffy. I hope he’s doin’ okay.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
yup, Calcaterra notes this.
Many of Clemens’ statements are exceedingly difficult to square with known facts and common sense. At the same time, many of the witnesses against Clemens already face credibility issues, Brian McNamee chief among them. Even if you believe, as I am inclined to, that Clemens was not truthful during his Congressional testimony, convicting him of perjury will be no easy feat.
Unless the Feds have a card up their sleeve, it’s not looking good for them.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
well, they wouldn't indict if they didn't have a case
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
sure, they have a case, but it's probably not a good one
Their case mostly rests on McNamee, who as the articles notes, has major credibility problems. Unless the Feds have a witness we don’t know about, I don’t see them winning.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I think the feds have an 90%+ conviction rate
Though I have no evidence other than the conversation about the Vick dog-fighting federal indictment.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can ask my brother.
Up until a year and a half ago, he was a US District Attorney.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Pretty sure 90% of the time the federales indict someone, they get their man.
Maybe Clemens will be in that 10%, but I don’t think that you can ever say it “looks good” for someone when they’re going to have to face a trial in federal court.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
what's the conviction rate for perjury trials?
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
No idea.
I’m just saying, if the Feds are on you, you’re not sleeping easy, no matter how weak their case looks.
Though if their case is weak and you have a good defense, you might still get away with some shit. See: Blagojevich, Rod.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that stat too
Does Blago count as a conviction??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
yeah
but they got him on the 1 charge – so does that count as a conviction for the 90% conviction rate? Or do they get a 1 for 25 on this one?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm not sure which it is, honestly.
The Blago case certainly shows that there can be a lot of daylight between convicting 90% of defendants and returning guilty verdicts on 90% of counts.
However, I believe they are going to retry some/all of the 24 counts, because it’s not that the verdict returned for many of them was not guilty, but that there was no unanimous verdict returned, which means mistrial.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of wasted man-hours, to be sure.
But I don’t think you can put a dollar amount on the value of running down corrupt politicians. They’re out there, very few are entirely pure and some are way more corrupt than others. If you get some goods on one and you’re a prosecutor, you gotta take a crack.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true to a certain extent
but I think the value to the public is that the’s no longer in office, has had his reputation completely trashed, will never win an election ever again, is facing 5 years on the conviction he got, and will serve as a shining example of what not to do. The value to the public of pursuing the other charges doesn’t seem to be much to me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
has had his reputation completely trashed, will never win an election ever again, is facing 5 years on the conviction he got, and will serve as a shining example of what not to do
Marion Barry says ‘Not so fast!’
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol this is true
I still don’t understand how that guy keeps reappearing…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He's the fucking...
Clarence Royce of DC politics, slight exception being that he’s been demoted to the City Council.
The man carries a lot of weight down here. Points to whomever can correctly ID the subject area in which he earned his MS. No Wiki!
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pharmacology?
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
You aren't far off...
I don’t expect anyone else to hazard a guess, so SPOILERS! : Organic Chemistry
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
to clarify
I don’t necessarily think they shouldn’t have gone after him the first time. I just think re-trying the whole thing seems like a waste of time and money.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
That's a fair way to look at it.
You’re basically saying that the deterrent effect has already been achieved, and I think that’s probably true.
It’s stepping out of the fed realm, but that’s the same sort of thing we went through with Sheila Dixon in Baltimore. It was like, once they had her out of office that was doing the public a service, and it sent a message to others that they will go after you even for shit as tawdry as that gift card thing if they can catch you doing it.
Really corrupt politicians piss me off extra as a former government major because it fucks with the system that actually isn’t terrible most of the time. So I’d say I’m kinda vindictive. Haha.
BTW, a big reason that the feds’ case against Blago was not as strong as it could have been is that the prosecutor basically had to indict before he had built the full case. He had that wiretap on Blago and someone in his office leaked that to the Chicago Tribune. So the prosecutor (same guy who ran down Cheney’s chief of staff Lewis Libby for “Plamegate”) gets a call from the Trib that they’re running this story tomorrow, will he comment? And about all he can do is hang up, say “Fuck” a lot and bang out an indictment on whatever he’s got. Which apparently wasn’t much, despite how many counts there were.
Not very responsible civic decision on the Trib’s part, I feel, as they basically blew up that wiretap. If the goal of investigative journalism is to root out that kind of corruption, why put a scoop out that is counter to that goal? I dunno. So it goes.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
the deterrent effect and the punitive effect have both been handled as far as I’m concerned. It’s hard for me to justify a longer than 5 year prison sentence for what he allegedly did.
And yeah I get that the prosecutor was rushed, but that’s the way it is. I don’t see much evidence that it’ll go any differently the next time around.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Some prosecutor on NPR said that the conviction rate is still
very good for the Feds when they retry.
I also remember my brother saying that the more times you try a case the lower your odds get on a conviction. So I don’t know which is correct.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
yeah
I always thought the odds go down each time you try a case unless you have some new evidence. The new jury already knows he wasn’t found guilty the last time – must be a reason.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And the defense has already seen your plan of action.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Although in this case...
it seems like the story is that one stubborn juror didn’t fucking understand what was going on. The majority of the counts against him weren’t that hard to understand.
I have a feeling they’ll get him on several more counts at retrial.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure it counts as a conviction.
The numbers are based on the defendant not the actual number of charges. (I have no evidence to back this up. Just something I’ve heard).
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd suspect they base their rate on number of cases brought ...
… and not number of charges.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I'm semi-happy because I hate clemens and would like to see him further exposed
but I am also annoyed to see tax dollars spent on this shit.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
yeah, pretty much
on the other hand, if there is one thing Congress needs to take seriously, it’s perjury, right? You got to bring down the hammer on perjurers.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I'm all for going after perjurers
but it’s their damn fault for sticking their nose in in the first place. Congress should be pursuing perjurers on issues of substance that matter; international relations, military contracts, state secrets, market manipulation, etc. Steroids in baseball? Doesn’t register on my “give enough of a shit to want tax dollars spent on it” meter.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The baseball industry is many billions of dollars
and a huge part of our economy…it strikes me that the government should be regulating it.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Right - so regulate it
You see the government getting involved in drug testing for private employers anywhere else in the economy??? If you want to get involved in the labor negotiations, the tv contract, the merchandise distribution, etc have at it, but unless their business practices are breaking the law or threatening the consumer or the employer/employee somehow stay the fuck out of it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
by O'sFan21 on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
flaged?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they should regulate it
But I also think they should keep their noses out of it altogether. You can’t have it both ways.
No please continue to humor us.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cue Suzyn Walman....
“Oh my goodness gracious! Of all the incredible things I have ever seen!”
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought about that for a while
what a fool
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Lying to Congress should get you a medal.
There is good reason they rank below used car salesmen regarding respect in opinion polls.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
It's kind of funny how they lie
to us their entire fucking careers, but if you lie to them watch out.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely off topic
But I saw that the Reds DFA’d Micah Owings the other day. I never understood why that kid was a pitcher. He has a career OPS of .861 (that’s 80 points higher than Carl Crawford’s career OPS, btw, and yes I am aware of the small sample size but 184 career ABs isn’t that small), and that is without spending too much time in the cage and only hitting once every 5 days or so. Which wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he could pitch worth a damn, but he has a career ERA of 5.11. Is it too late for him to be another Rick Ankiel?
but Rick Ankiel isnt that good
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
But Ankiel has a job in the bigs
even after he came down with Chuck Knobloch “Can’t throw the ball straight” Disease.
At this point, I think its obvious that Owings is not a ML pitcher, and at 28 there isn’t much room for improvement on the mound.
But if you project out his career hitting numbers to a 480 AB season, and he is a 27 HR 100+ RBI hitter… I think we could use a guy like that. I’m not saying we should pick him up off waivers and stick him at 1st base next year, but I am saying some team could take a flyer on him, stick him at A ball, teach him a position in the field and he could be up in a year or so.
Hey - gauging interest here
Is there anyone who’d be interested in a group outing to see the Frederick Keys and/or the Bowie Baysox play in the playoffs this September? Frederick already clinched, and Bowie is something like a game up right now, so I’ll be making at least one trip out and thought I’d see if anyone else was interested.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
If it's a weekend game I might be interested.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I would possibly be interested.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be game for a Keys game...
I live about 20 mins away.
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LJ HOOOOOOOOES
If I go to a Keys game I gotta get that t-shirt that says “I heart Hoes.” Some guy I follow on Twitter made it.
That's Mr. LJ Hoes 2 U
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I was just looking at the Keys schedule
First two playoff games are Sept 8th and 9th. I wonder how fast the tickets for a minor league playoff game go? The most expensive tickets are only $11, I might just buy some and worry about finding owners for them later.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I page isn't loading for me
Can you post tatum’s pic?
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't seem like it
Or at least I’m not savvy enough to be able to do it…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Is he the guy with the giant shiny dome in the month of May?
Wow
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Cool!
If my mom’s reading this, think Birthday present (hi mom!)
Looks like: Millwood, DH, Albers, Wiggy, OHMYGODPUTAHATBACKONTATER, Wieters, Bergy, B-Rob and his adorable bulldog, Nicky, …Matusz?, Gonzo, and Berken. Very good. I like Wieters’ dog’s scarf.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I think that's Arrieta after Nicky???
I can’t tell though.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
What happened to Nicky's other dog??
And also no cats at all this year?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Wieters' cat is on his page
Guess no cats on the main pics though
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Roberts with the pink, no salmon, shirt. Real manly.
I’ve gotta say that I really hate this calender.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Brian Roberts does not need manly colors to be manly
you don’t even KNOW who Brian Roberts is!!!!
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
it appears as though you can't take it anymore.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I got my little sister one of these last year.
Looks like I’ll be getting her another one.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Apparently EOF is still in baseball.
After the O’s savaged him for that entire series in 2008 you’d figure he might have been toasted. But he’s been pitching for the Braves last year and this year. He’s appeared in 41 games, thrown 31.1 IP and has a 2.30 ERA.
Also he’s been on the DL because he got mono. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5476695
Careful who you share drinks with, EOF.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
I'll buy that man a drink anyday
EOF (am I the only one who read “End of File”? I sure hope not) is my patron saint, he drinks for free in my house.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I just got an email for the Heavy Seas Bacon and Beer Festival
10+ Bacons, 10+ Beers, 10+ Restaurants, Live Music and More! Baltimore’s Best Brewery and Over 10 of its Finest Restaurants have convened to salute nature’s greatest food: Bacon!
10 plus bacons?
WANT
Heavy Seas might well be the country’s best brewery
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
why, thank you
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
You should sign up for the mailing list
They have events throughout the year of all different types. They got my name because I go to Beer, Bourbon and BBQ every year.
IIRC, the last Heavy Seas event before this one was chili and cheese instead of bacon.
by Stacey on Aug 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*salivating*
My heart is aflutter at the moment!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This feta and cucumber salad i'm eating was really good a few minutes ago
now all i can think about is how much better it would be with some bacon
Mmmmmmm Bacon.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna pretend I'm Dave
Who wants 10 plus bacons?, one is gross enough but ten, seriously, ten? 10 different varieties of crap.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the tribe is known for its good taste in bacon.
No offense, kiddo.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 19, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
To answer your query...
Who wants 10 plus bacons?
I do!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 19, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty dead on actually...
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Why thank you.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear lord
I LOVE heavy seas (I guess… I loved Clipper City plenty though and can’t get either up here), but bacon? That’s the best and worst of my world in one place. I want to go so bad, but I know i’ll vomit from the smell alone.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i know math is hard and all
but i’m fairly certain that 55000 minus 34000 does not equal 19000. did someone already mention this? cause i’m not reading this entire thread.
quote: “1951 National League pennant over the Brooklyn Dodgers occurred in front of 34,000 fans in the 55,000-seat Polo Grounds. These days, can anyone imagine a post season game played in front of 19,000 empty seats?”
Yeah, that was pointed out a few times in the comments
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Just occured to me
Mon. night’s walk off bunt win happened on Earl’s 80 birthday.
Wonder what he thinks about that.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
He's probably OK with it
since it won the game, and didn’t even give up an out.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Happy Belated Birthday, Earl!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 19, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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