A Ranger fan's view on Buck Showalter.
Adam Morris, who runs Lone Star Ball, was kind enough to provide this look at Buck Showalter from the perspective of a fan who has seen Showalter's impact on his team. He has an interesting view on a number of things that have been discussed here, namely Showalter's tendency to rub players the wrong way and how he deals with veterans vs younger players.
Also to be considered based on what Adam presents is how Showalter will interact with both Andy MacPhail and Peter Angelos, and what kind of issues might arise as a result. Thanks to Adam for taking the time to give us his insider opinion.
Buck Showalter was the manager of the Texas Rangers for four seasons, from 2003 through 2006. When he was hired by General Manger John Hart to replace Jerry Narron, the move was generally heralded as a masterstroke by the D/FW media. After losing 91 games in his inaugural season and seeing the team’s best player dealt, Showalter was named Manager of the Year in 2004 when the Rangers surprised all of baseball by winning 89 games and staying in the race until late in the season. Despite low payrolls, Showalter had the Rangers around .500 the next two seasons. And yet, when he was fired after 2006, you could find almost no one, other than his old colleagues at ESPN, who was critical of the move.
Showalter’s pattern is pretty well established after three managerial stints. He’s smart, he goes by the book, he’s a very good in-game manager. He works hard, he knows the game, and he is the perfect person to come in and whip an organization in disarray into shape.
He’s also got a very short shelf-life. After one season playing for Showalter, Alex Rodriguez wanted out of Texas, and while ARod is generally painted as the bad guy for "forcing" a trade, as Showalter’s buddy Peter Gammons reported at the time, Showalter wanted Rodriguez out of Texas just as much, if not more, as Rodriguez wanted to be gone. Showalter works best with low-ego guys, either young players or veteran journeymen. His reputation is that he wants to be the star of the show…he considers himself the smartest guy in the room, and he’s not afraid to make sure everyone knows that.
One of the most memorable episodes in Showalter’s tenure with Texas was his showdown with Rangers' owner Tom Hicks in mid-2004. Hicks hired John Hart in 2002 with the understanding that he’d groom Grady Fuson, brought over from Oakland, to be Hart’s successor, taking over for Hart after the 2004 season. Fuson and Hart weren’t exactly best buddies, and by spring 2004, there were two camps forming, with Showalter and Hart aligned in one camp, and Fuson and his people in the other. The scuttlebutt was that Showalter was a big fan of Hart, because Showalter wanted to have a lot of control and say-so in what happened in the organization from top to bottom, while Hart was more interested in playing golf, and was happy to cede control to Showalter.
Hicks, who was supposedly tired of having a wildly unpopular GM who wasn’t interested in dealing with the media, agreed to a new deal with Fuson that was to be announced over the All Star Break, formalizing the succession plan that was to occur after 2004. Showalter and then-pitching coach Orel Hershiser then met with Hicks and, according to reports, informed him that if Fuson took over, the two of them would leave the organization with Hart and go to a new team. Hicks would be left with losing his manager, pitching coach, and general manager on the heels of the team’s most successful season in years.
Hicks panicked, agreed to keep Hart on, and Hart, naturally, fired Fuson. After a disappointing 2005 season, Hart stepped aside, with Jon Daniels taking over as general manager. This was widely viewed as Showalter’s doing, since Daniels, the youngest GM in baseball history, was viewed as being a Showalter puppet, who was installed simply to do Showalter’s bidding. Daniels, as it turned out, was his own man, and fired Showalter after the 2006 season, and has steered the Rangers on a path that has them heading to the playoffs for the first time in over a decade in 2010.
Part of the problem that seems to have led to Showalter having a short shelf-life with organizations is his tendency to rub his players the wrong way. He had, reportedly, pretty much lost the clubhouse with the Rangers at the end of the 2006 season, to the point where Tom Hicks said he thought the solution to the atmosphere problems in the clubhouse might be to bring in all new players. The word was that Rangers players never knew exactly where they stood with Showalter, and that he preferred it that way…he either wanted guys on edge, or just simply wasn’t comfortable communicating directly with the players. The word "passive-aggressive" comes up a lot in describing Showalter’s dealings with his players, and in talking to the media, you would get "Buck-speak," a bunch of empty words that ultimately would never answer questions or give reasons for what was going on.
Buck was also seen as a "grass is greener" type when it comes to personnel…the feeling was that Showalter was the type of manager who seemed to only be able to see the shortcomings of his players, and not the positives, while being way too enamored with players on other teams. The infamous trade of Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez to San Diego for Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka is the classic example…the most common take on that deal was that Buck had decided that Gonzalez wasn’t going to hit for enough power to be an everyday first baseman and that Young, despite having a stellar season in 2004, wasn’t going to be durable enough to be a quality starter. Eaton, on the other hand, was tantalizing, and the team needed a veteran arm in the pen. So he supposedly pushed for Young and Gonzalez to be dealt for Eaton, who was seen as the Rangers’ potential long-sought-after ace (despite a mixed track record, a history of injuries, and only a year of team control remaining). Eaton was awful, Young gave San Diego a couple of solid seasons before succumbing to injury, and Gonzalez has blossomed into one of the best first basemen in baseball.
Another classic example of the Showalter management style…in the 2005-06 offseason, the Rangers selected a tiny, 20 year old hard-throwing lefty named Fabio Castro in the Rule 5 draft. Daniels and the front office liked Castro, wanted to keep him in the system, and felt he could be stashed in the bullpen and contribute if used judiciously. Buck, reportedly, wasn’t a Castro fan, wasn’t interested in keeping him around, and decided to deal with the situation by simply not using Castro. The front office finally caved and dealt Castro to Philadelphia, giving Buck his victory on the issue.
Given where the Orioles are right now, Showalter is probably a good fit for the team. He’ll come in, bring energy, bring organization, implement change top to bottom. He’ll weigh in on minor leaguers and who the team should draft next July. Baltimore will probably see its fortunes turn around pretty quickly.
I just wouldn’t expect him to be there for the next decade, or anything like that. Likely, in three or four years, his act will have run thin, he’ll have alienated too many people, and someone else will be brought in to try to take what Showalter has built to the next level.
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Very interesting stuff.
Thanks for the perspective.
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Well, at least we know we won't be bringing Adam Eaton around here
And thanks for the post!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Buck made several comments in his introduction that were the opposite
of what this is saying. He said he always likes to keep the players informed about everything, that he would rather find players from inside the organization first, and that he’s going to mostly let the FO make personnel decisions. So hopefully this means he learned his lesson, but it’s definitely kinda scary. Especially the Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez for Adam Eaton part.
Time will tell what will happen with Buck
This is just one guy’s opinion, remember.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Im fine with the grass is greener approach
Because frankly the grass around here is looking pretty awful with a 10 plus year drought.
Just so long as he doesnt single out Brob, Weiters or Markakis as players he doesnt like which I doubt he will unless they seriously underperform.
But feel free to rotate the coaching staff out Buck.
It is true that purple is probably greener than whatever the hell we have here.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ultimately, little of this matters
To me, at least.
The only news in here I find interesting is that Buck is considered to be a good game manager. That’s certainly an upgrade from what the Orioles have had for years. Hit and runs with Jake Fox at the plate and Matt Weiters on first will hopefully be non-existent under Buck.
I’m more concerned with how he develops young players, if he gets them to perform up to potential, how he views things like OBP over BA, and the like. “By the book” seems to indicate to me “old school” which is the last thing the Orioles need, but I could be misreading it. I just hope he can bring some sanity to the team, because God knows I haven’t seen it in a while, outside of that brief, joyous pre-All Star Break 2005.
A few thoughts...
Showalter works best with low-ego guys, either young players or veteran journeymen. His reputation is that he wants to be the star of the show…he considers himself the smartest guy in the room, and he’s not afraid to make sure everyone knows that.
Who, on the Orioles, would that cause conflict?
Brian Roberts? Hell, he’s been waiting for a leader in the clubhouse since 2000. And he gets on base, don’t try for stupid bases, and makes the plays he’s supposed to make in the field. He won’t be Buck’s problem vet.
Nick Markakis? I think he’ll love Showalter. His offensive approach mirrors what Buck wants, and, you know, Nick would love, you know, the spotlight, you know, to be on anyone else than himself, you know.
Adam Jones? Sure, he may get the point of Buck’s wrath more often than not the rest of the year, but my completely uninformed opinion of Adam is he is just dying for someone to tell him how to get better. He’s been left to do his own thing since he got here, and it worked for 3 months. I think he will be one of the players that truly blossoms under Buck. Unless Buck says no gum. Then we’ll have our first clubhouse revolt.
Matt Wieters? He seems like a cross between Nick and Adam – mature enough to be quiet and do his job, but he can’t be satisfied with what he’s produced this year, and is just dying for someone to offer his advice and a plan that works. Buck may have a ready ear in Matt.
Any vet Buck drives off probably needed to be gone. None of the young core – position players or pitchers – strike me as being so ego-driven they won’t listen when Buck tells them what to do.
More and more, I am beginning to think this is the perfect fit for Buck. The one vet doing anything – Brian Roberts – probably can’t wait for Buck to get in there and kick some ass. His best players, with the exception of Roberts, are under 27. This will either explode spectacularly or actually work. I don’t think there’s much middle ground on this one.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree to a point
I’m with you except for the part about “None of the young core – position players or pitchers – strike me as being so ego-driven.” Dave Johnson was talking this weekend about some of the young pitchers having ego issues. Not Arrieta. He seemed to point more at Matusz and perhaps Tillman. I don’t know if he has any insider insight or if he’s just basing it on comments he’s heard from those guys post-game.
I personally look forward to the showdown between Uncle Buck & Luke Scott over running out fly balls. “Listen Buck, the last time I did that I wound up on the DL.”
I point you back to this...
Any vet Buck drives off probably needed to be gone.
As far as the pitchers, that’s when you pull a Dr. Phil. “So, how’s that been working out for ya?”
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Why does everyone want to defend Arrieta? He's been absolutely terrible. Like Radhames Liz terrible.
He’s still got potential, but come on.
The whole running out fly balls thing was rediculously overblown because people don’t like Luke Scott for some reason. AJ did the same thing like 2 weeks later and noone cared, I think Gary said something along the lines of “Oh, well he knows he made a mistake.” I doubt very much that Buck is gonna care about running out 1 fly ball, if it’s a consistent problem in every at bat, he’d probably say something about it. He’’s been our best offensive player for the last 2 years, give it a rest with that shit.
Not saying I don't think Arrieta has talent,
but he’s pretty clearly not ready to be in the majors yet. Wait until his luck starts wearing out, it will not be pretty.
Man that's just not true about nobody caring when AJ does stupid shit.
Everybody gets on AJ every time he does some lolligagger shit like that. Every single time.
Also, the time Luke Scott did it was NOT the first or only time he’s done that. In fact he did it the next night too, but the ball didn’t drop so nobody noticed. Watch him – he jogs out fly balls regularly even now. That time just happened to make him look like a dumbass so everybody noticed.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Who, on the Orioles, would that cause conflict?
I don’t think this is the right question to ask. It’s not the players who are causing conflict. It’s Buck.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
So who clashes with him first?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Please let it be Adam please let it be Adam Please let it be Adam.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't think we necessarily know what caused any of the conflicts in the past.
Let’s not jump to conclusions based on the limited information the media provides.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I agree Buck will be good to get things turned around
but after that needs to be kicked to the curb.. he’s just not a guy that will take the team to the ‘next level’ but has been successful in building them to the point where they’re ready to make that plunge.
well lets just put the cart in front of the horse, then
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
Well i think thats basically Showalter's forte at this point
Its the like the turnaround CEO specialist who doesn’t have any real intention of sticking around long-term. They do one thing really well and thats fixing broken companies and then leaving. Though bringing one in doesnt mean they dont still occasionally go bankrupt anyway.
That's fine with me
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
All of this is really interesting
but the Buck that we’re getting is not necessarily the same guy that he describes above. It’s a different ownership situation, a different general manager, a different team makeup, etc. He also specifically mentioned learning from past mistakes in the presser, not that that really means a whole lot, but I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he’s developed some new thoughts about how to work with both players and management.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You're right
As odd as it may seem, this GM/manager combo is probably the best fit he’s had. Andy MacPhail is nothing if not meticulous in his analysis of trades and players. And good ol’ PGA has pretty much been hands off since Andy got here, unless rumblings about the current manager search are to be believed. And even then, if true, PGA didn’t get his way, Andy did.
This is the one spot where Buck might stick long-term, or, in his words, not “watch someone else walk your daughter down the aisle.”
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
As do I
That and I am going take this one year at a time. No one knows what this marrige is going to bring in three years. I am just pumped he is leading the way now.
If things work out as you describe...
then I would be very happy. If Showalter can turn the franchise around in short order, then needs to be replaced by someone who can complete the job, I’d be thrilled. It sounds almost too good to be true, and it probably is.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
Well, it sounds like we're making progress
Of course, we have pretty much no where to go but up from here.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
At this point, I'm all for a manager who'll kick some ass.
When was the last time we had one?
Seriously, it is time to clean house, it’s time to stop getting in our own way, it is DAMN sure time to stop seeing sloppy, easily preventable mental errors cost us runs (or give them away). Diamond Dave and Juan Samuel (and Sam Perlozzo,come to it) were nice guys, baseball lifers, and players’ managers, who didn’t know what to do with a bullpen, much less how to start getting at the talent that is lying dormant in some of these guys (Wieters, Jones, Tillman, Matusz).
At this point, why should we do anything but celebrate the arrival of a guy, who is, to all appearances, exactly the opposite of them? Bring it on Buck. Start kicking a little ass. Throw some bats into the shower if you have to, and yell about lollygaggin’ if need be.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
Enjoyed the article too
I do wonder about what mistakes Buck has learned from and how that will manifest. I still come from the camp that a manager doesn’t really matter so it’ll be interesting to see if how the team finishes this year and does next year. I’m betting same old, same old.
Librarians are hiding something
I was in NY when he took over in '92
He spent the 1st year looking over what he had to work with, reached the conclusion that the answer was “not much”, and that “beep beep beep” sound you heard all winter was the Buck Truck backing up.
If it’s an exaggeration to say that Don Mattingly & Bernie Williams were the only leftovers from 92 to 93, it’s not much of one. And the new guys that were brought in were players like Wade Boggs, Paul O’Neill, Jimmy Key, etc.
I’m not saying he’ll get the Os into the playoffs (or set the stage for his immediate successor to do so). But if it doesn’t happen it’ll be because of injuries or the division they’re in or whatever. It will NOT be because they suck.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Wait, are you saying this guy ISN'T Buck Martinez?!?
Or John Boles? Or who was that other guy in Florida…?
I…I…I’m just so confused. It must be Clinton Wedding Syndrome. Is he a Methodist now? Or is she learning Hebrew? Or what…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
"Marc Mezvinsky"? Alternate spelling of Steve Melewski
Duh
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Given where the Orioles are right now, Showalter is probably a good fit for the team. He’ll come in, bring energy, bring organization, implement change top to bottom.
I hear this a lot lately and I’m not sure why this logically follows given how he treats players. And Diamond Dave brought a lot of energy and organization.
He’ll weigh in on minor leaguers and who the team should draft next July.
Oh goody.
I’m already counting down the days until the end of the Buck Stops Here era.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Dave Trembley brought a lot of energy and organization?
He’s one of the most boring people in the entire world and apparently ran one of the worst spring trainings in the majors. Where exactly was the energy and organization?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
that was the praise he got when he started
that and how he emphasized fundamentals (no shitting, if I had lexis-nexis at home I’m sure I could find the articles). If I remember correctly, there was a small brouhaha because he instituted fielding practice for the first game of every series.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I vaguely vaguely remember that
but obviously that turned out to be horseshit. Buck has just a little bit of a track record of being actually organized and energetic. Trembley it was just talk.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Per Mr. Jones
Adam Jones New Captain at the helm! Gonna give it all I got! Gotta keep workin’ Will never stop!:
Bring back Tillman.




















