Orioles 6, Angels 3: Undefeated Buck
by Stacey on Aug 3, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
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In a reversal of typical roles, tonight the Baltimore Orioles played the part of the competent baseball team while the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim played the bumblers. Strong pitching + timely hitting + new manager = WIN!
Guthrie and Angels starter Trevor Bell exchanged zeros through four innings, each allowing just two base runners. They both cracked in the fifth inning, though, with Guthrie giving up a two-run home run to Howie Kendrick in the top of the inning and Bell surrendering back-to-back doubles by Felix Pie and Matt Wieters in the bottom.
Ah, Matt Wieters. Let's talk about him for a second! He was one of the two base runners Bell allowed in the first four innings as he singled up the middle to lead off the third. He followed that with the double in the fifth to knock in Pie, and in the sixth inning the Angels showed him reverence by intentionally walking him, where he scored on Josh Bell's double. In the eighth he came to the plate with Adam Jones at third and one out and hit what should have been a sacrifice fly to left field, but Bobby Abreu couldn't get there in time and the ball fell in. Jones scored and Matt moved up to second on the throw, running in that hilarious way of his. From there he was sent home on a single to right field by Cesar Izturis. You know Matt and how he runs, and it didn't help that he stumbled around third base a little. He would have been nailed by a mile but Torii Hunter's throw was up the third base line. Matt managed to evade the catcher the first time, but couldn't get the plate, so he and Mike Napoli played a game of tag at home for few moments before Matt lost. Highly entertaining, especially when, upon being tagged out, Matt gave Napoli an approving pat on the bum on his way back to the dugout.
Back to Guthrie. He'd give up one more run on two hits in the seventh inning, but overall another good outing from Guts. Mike Gonzalez followed with 1.2 innings good innings, and Alfredo Simon came on to get the last out of the game. In the post-game presser, Showalter was asked why he didn't bring in Simon to start the ninth since it was a save situation. Buck stole my heart when he said he kept Gonzo in because it made the most sense for the upcoming Angel hitters, and said, "I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better."
In addition to Wieters, the Orioles got big offensive nights from Luke Scott, Felix Pie, and what the heck, I'll even throw Josh Bell in there. Luke hit a double in his first at bat, then came to base in the sixth inning with Ty Wigginton on base via walk and the score 2-1. Can you guess what he did? If you guessed "monster home run to the back of the bleachers," you win! It put the Orioles up 3-2, and in the same inning Josh Bell hit his first major league double to knock in Pie and Wieters for his first two major league RBI. Felix had a single, a double, and a stolen base. He also made two fine catches in left field.
And what of the new manager? Showalter didn't do much other than inspire four people in the stands to paint their bodies orange and B U C K in black letters on their chest, and a few others to affix antlers to their orioles hats. He came out of the dugout once to talk to the umpire and got a standing ovation.
Good game. Good win. So far, the Buck Era has been kind to us.
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As much as I wanted to vote for Guts
This is Buck’s day in Birdland.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 3, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
shit I would have voted for Wieters before Guts
but I went with Buck all the way.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
i chose wieters before i noticed the buck choice
apparently i missed the standardized test taking day of class where they tell you to thoroughly read all of the possible choices
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
create a new account
and just revote. It is worth it. Maybe Stacey can expedite the waiting process.
buck is safely in the lead
although i’m waiting for all of those non-standard CC viewers to all randomly vote guthrie so we can go back to the beginning of the year where the starting pitcher wins most birdland every game
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Wieters' Butt Pat
My guess in Showalter stops Wieters at an opportune moment and says something along the lines of “Wieters, I know you know what you’re doing, and that you appreciate good play. Don’t do it on the field with an opponent until you win the game or if it’s the All Star Game (which you haven’t got to yet). Save it for after. Between the lines, you’re there to get to the plate, not admire him. Score next time, damn it.”
O's Fan in DC
seriously?
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Seriously.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he was serious.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 3, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
why so serious?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
SHJ can do what he wants.
becasue well, he is SHJ. I am sure Buck got the memo from the Big Guy. No worries.
i mean
YOU try telling jesus not to do something. see how THAT works out for you.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I think the paradigm was You're not Pete Rose, he's not Ray Fosse.
It’s not a cheap shot if you bowl over the catcher to get to the plate on a close play in a close game that actually counts. (Oh, and it won’t help keep you out of the Hall, either.)
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
more along the lines..
that was a great play.. don’t ever fuckin’ do it again.
"Ohhh it's baad" - E. Smith
Tejada homered tonight.
I miss him :(
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
I do. But just a little.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
by duck on Aug 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't mean his being in the lineup
I just miss him. He loved Baltimore.
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But it was a solo homer... so Bell had more RBI! :P
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 3, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees lost... the Rays won... we've got a new leader atop the AL East tonight.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
Hell, atop MLB
also, Boston is pretty much officially done now. Looks like Youkilis may be gone for the season.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
YES YES YES YES YES
Bring back Tillman.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 4, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So this may be the last time in 2010 we can post this?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
Also the whole American league too.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
you can facebook "like" players on baseball-reference.com
My first and only like went to B.J. Surhoff.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Almost tears
“I like the win rule better.”
Competent bullpen management and confronting the ump on questionable calls instead of sitting there and taking it. I’m not saying he should go all “Terry Francona” on the umps, but the LAAAOCCAUSA pitchers obviously had no clue what they were doing up there.
Here’s to turning it around!
I AM ASHAMED AT VOTE TALLY.
Another game missed to work. I heard the seventh on the radio though on my break.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
All this Buck praise is a little premature
The man just got in, he has not had any time to make any decisions, so all this “undefeated Buck” and acting like he was the one that was the game is doing a disservice to the players.
What's more frustrating than being a Marlins and Orioles fan? Eye surgery???
**I meant to say.."acting like he was the one that won the game"
Sorry for the huge typo…had a mental lapse while writing ;)
What's more frustrating than being a Marlins and Orioles fan? Eye surgery???
by Osley Sallent on Aug 4, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
either way
Not premature at all. His knowledge of the game instantly improved this young team waiting to be led. Will they continue to execute day in and day out, we’ll see. But the man has a talent to put his players in the the postition to succeed and he did last night. And they stepped up. I am fine with it.
You obviously don't get our brand of humor
or humor in general.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Blasphemy!
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by Knubles and Bits on Aug 4, 2010 3:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait, Buck isn't the one who won the game?
The team isn’t suddenly as talented as the Rays because Buck is at the helm? Because that’s the impression I was under.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
by Stacey on Aug 4, 2010 6:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Check. This is why firing the manager is so much more effective than firing the team.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I doubt many here actually believe Buck won the game
Its what he didn’t do that makes me happy. No “match-up” baseball despite numbers that say otherwise, no calling for a hit and run every time there is a man on first with one out, no extreme use of bunting (he did bunt once, but it almost made sense.) Buck didn’t win the game, but he most certainly did not lose the game either. He put the O’s in the best position to win at every opportunity tonight and that is something previous managers have lacked.
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
bah, reply fail
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
Best Buck quote, from the Yahoo postgame
"Believe me, I know the save rule and, quite frankly, it doesn’t carry much weight with me," Showalter said. "I like the win rule a little bit better."
I LOVE YOU DON’T EVER LEAVE.
Dammit
Sorry Stacey, I didn’t see that this was already in your postgame as well. Everyone just ignore this since I can’t seem to delete it.
That's cool, it definitely bears repeating.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
by Stacey on Aug 4, 2010 6:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I agree
And I’ll say the one thing that I did like about Juan Samuel was that he often used his best reliever, Jason Berken, in a high leverage situations instead of just assigning in some role and robotically using him in that role only.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
That's true although I think he didn't use him in the closer's role because he had never closed before
Sure, it makes no sense, but the credit I feel he deserves. If Berken had a closing stint before this season there’s no doubt in my mind Samuel would have locked him into the 9th inning.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
awesome.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
talk of "nugget" bell...
reminded me of this gem from the wire
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Aw, Wallace :(
Did you see this quote from Jeremy Guthrie?
"He talks about sifting through and finding some nuggets. I know I saw a couple of guys out there tonight that could definitely be pushing themselves toward nugget status."
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
right on
is this team fired up or what? Stacey – I suggest you change Head Honchos to Golden Nuggets, Nuggets, etc..
Camden Chat - We've got nuggets
They’ve replaced our toolbox, apparently.
New CC shirt: I’m a nugget too!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
ahahhaahah I love that
I’m a nugget too!
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Pie also had a sac bunt, if I remember correctly.
Too lazy to actually check, but I’m pretty sure he did.
Nevertheless, Buck for MBP.
This just in: Guts QS, O's...WIN!!!
Aaaaaaaah, how suh-weet it is to write that. Oh, this also just in: the Fort Worth Star Telegram’s David Thomas took a big lead Tuesday morning in the race for Douchebag Quote of the Week:
“Buck Showalter is 49 games over .500 in his 11-year managing career. When he takes over the Baltimore Orioles on Tuesday, they’ll have 57 games remaining. You can do the math.”
Hey Dave: Пошел ты на хрен! That’s right, I’m talkin’ to you, dipstick.
OK, Mats tonight for the Two-Game Dynasty. Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
answer me this...
Is gonzo only working from the stretch now? Didn’t really hear anything about it. Seems to work better for him.
Am I the only guy
who hasn’t fallen into a Buck Showalter-induced daze? When I see Buck being MBP it just reminds me of all the nice things everyone had to say about Dave Trembley in his first couple of months, and how little any of it actually meant towards the advancement of the Orioles.
I like Buck – a lot actually. Dude doesn’t play by the save rule, is comfortable with Wins Above Replacement, seems to really, really know his stuff. But to say “His knowledge of the game instantly improved this young team” (not to call anyone specifically out), I mean, I just don’t get it. At what point do we stop getting wowed by a new manager coming in and saying nice things?
Urrrrrrgh, I feel like Scrooge. Humbug.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
At what point do we stop getting wowed by a new manager coming in and saying nice things?
In this case, I’d say about a week or first losing streak, whichever comes last.
Eh, I think we are all aware of what's going on
I just personally can’t be miserable all the time. If it takes some silly regard for Buck Showalter to get me through the season, so be it.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
I'm surprised at myself
for being so dour, honestly. I’ve watched all of his interviews and I’ve enjoyed them a lot…but I just don’t know. I can’t get worked up about it. I feel bad about that, but it’s just not within me I guess.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
I'm not surprised
It’s who you are. Not that you’re a dour person in general, you’re just realistic to a kind of harsh degree. Your mind-mate is the same way.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Maybe some of us are really drinking the kool-aid
but I just think it’s fun. I voted Buck MBP not because I think he automattically changed our fortunes, but because he started and we won and acting like correlation = causation is funny to me. I like him, but i’m not convinced he’ll be any better than any of the other handful of managers we’ve had since Davey. I just think it’s a fun little toy to play with until it too gets old. We have nuggets!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I said it
and I stand by it. Buck along with some of the other proven MLB managers out there can make the Orioles a better team. It was just a matter of getting them to Baltimore. The point I stand by is that he puts his players in a position to succeed. That is all I wanted out of a manager. To take this young team with loads of talent and teach, coach, and manage them in a way that is successful is why he instantly makes them better. Not that he holds the bat for them, but he can take the talents of 9+ guys one day and position them in a way to give the team a win. DT at no point gave me that warm fuzzy feeling. Samuel never gave me that feeling. Buck does because he has a proven track record to do it and showed it last night. Clearly the O’s lack some things now, but I will say the regression of the young kids will most likely come to an end.
I only take pause at the word "instant"
if we’re going to get better because of a manager (and I’m not sure how to answer that question…at all) then it’s definitely not going to be instantaneous.
Another thing that’s been bugging me*…why is everyone SO SURE that what Adam Jones needs is a kick in the ass and why is everyone SO SURE that Buck’ll give it to him? He could very well need just that (though I think that’s simplifying to the point of stupidity) but I’m not 100% convinced that that’s all it’ll take like many of you all seem to be.
*Don’t let my new-found grouchiness or use of the words like stupidity offend anybody. I love you all and I’m just following a train of thought more or less.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
For me, and me only....
it’s because I’ve seen it before in HS athletes. I’ve dealt with extremely talented kids who coasted, not because they were lazy or arrogant, but because they simply didn’t know any better. No one had ever challenged them or held them accountable for coasting. Do shit wrong, but as long as you win, who cares, right? And in Adam’s case, well, we did some many other things wrong, let’s not pick on the talented kid by calling him out. We’ll need him later.
When Adam Jones is ASKED to consider moving back in CF, you’re giving him the opportunity to make the wrong choice – saying “no”. I seriously doubt Buck will be giving his young players choices in following his directions. You either will or you’l sit.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
agree 110%
This is the only reason why I am taking such a firm stance on this. Personally, I NEED to be challened. If not I get in trouble. I like to think I am talented at what I do, becasue I have been told and my raises indicate such (pat, pat), but if I am not challanged by my manager I figure I can waste my day on CC on his dime.
Andrew the Grouch
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
maybe this clears it up...
Instant includes line-ups, situational hitting, moving runners over, bullpen managment, preparing your players for the opposing team, etc.
The major, long term improvement will be when the players take their raw talent and develope it into ML caliber talent for 162 games a season based on what they are taught by their manager.
The latter accounts for probably 75% of the phrase “makes the team better”, but the 25% from the first statement allows me to add the word “instant”
Either way, I am glad a legit manager is here and I am going to enjoy the ride.
Buck along with some of the other proven MLB managers out there can make the Orioles a better team.
I don’t think if it’s Buck in particular, but anyone who quit the stupid hit and runs, aggressive base running, and sac bunts could improve the team’s runs scored total immediately.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
If Trembley DID what he SAID he was gonna do, we'd be fine
Because he said the same happy horseshit about holding players accountable, etc., and proceeded to let them do whatever the fuck they wanted to do.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
That's a huge thing for me with DT
He talked a big game and then literally did not do anything. He never held people accountable, sat on his thumbs while players jogged out grounders and fly balls, ran a notoriously shitty spring training, etc. I loved his talk, but he couldn’t make it happen.
So I’ll be excited about Buck talking about it AND having the track record to show that he’s actually done it. Now a year from now if it’s the same sloppy product on the field I’ll be disappointed.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Am I the only guy who hasn’t fallen into a Buck Showalter-induced daze?
I think it’s more a function of people falling into such venomously hate for DT/JS that a smallest nugget delights people more than it should. I just want to give a small shout out to DT/JS who were horrible tacticians, but, otherwise, IMO did a good job. They just got saddled with a bunch of who played like shit.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
smallest nugget of wisdom probably would have sounded better.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'd argue they didn't do a good job
As a manager, it’s your job to fix mistakes. They weren’t fixed. Adam Jones never moved in CF. He kept swinging at curves in the dirt in the next area code. The O’s still hit into too many DPs. Base running was atrocious. Plate discipline was non-existent. Bad routes were taken to fly balls, bad decisions on which base to throw to were constantly made. Almost everyone of those areas could have been improved without improving the talent level of the player involved. And DT and JS didn’t do that.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
He kept swinging at curves in the dirt in the next area code. The O’s still hit into too many DPs. Base running was atrocious. Plate discipline was non-existent. Bad routes were taken to fly balls,
Yeah, I would say none of those things are very teachable. The base running is an exception. That’s part of my beef. They were bad tacticians. Bad throws, I can give you that but again, I see some blame resting with the player. And I don’t think this happened as nearly as often as people think. I really do think the situations with DT/JS reminds me of a bitter divorce/breakup. After the shit hits the fan, you start to look for every little thing that’s wrong no matter how small. You start to review the past and reinterpret events in order to fit a particular narrative that you’ve constructed for the person in question. And in the process, things get blown up to fit that narrative. Don’t get me wrong, DT/JS needed to go. Their moronic tactical skills were costing the team wins. But I think they were far better than Mazzilli or Perlozzo.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'm pretty sure
we were bitching about just about all of this long before either man departed.
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
I’m sorry. I just can’t do this. MBP stands for Most Birdland Player. Buck Showalter is allegedly a Major League Baseball (or at least Orioles) Manager.
We argue all the time about what Birdland means, but the player part has always been pretty clear.
I will gladly cast my MBM vote for Buck, though.
Unless Buck is actually a player-manager who just didn’t put himself in the lineup last night in which case I think he is completely eligible for MBP.
We've had a MBP manager before
It kinda set a precedent. I argued it then, but whatever. I voted Buck too. It’s all in good fun.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It is not all in good fun!
It is serious business.
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
by Stacey on Aug 4, 2010 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know…my outrage was supposed to be in good fun, too.
It sounded funnier in my head, which isn’t always a reliable barometer of humor or anything else.
“It’s a funny comment, Brian!! Post it and people will laugh!”
“No Brian. Of course you’re not getting fatter. All your clothes shrank in the wash.”
“Ladies love you, girls adore you, I mean even the ones who never saw you.”
by BrianS on Aug 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
To those questioning the Buck lovefest....
RELAX! Enjoy a rare victory in Birdland. This is still a 100+ loss team and I don’t think any of us expect this team to go on a 20-5 tear. We are having a little fun and enjoyment with the new manager. He deserves it. The team came out focused and executed a damn fine ball game last night. We all expect that this is going to be a long process getting the O’s turned around. Buck didn’t make us World Series contenders in one night. Last night was one step in the right direction, that’s all. Let your guard down a little and enjoy it. :-)
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Humbug
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
What, temper my optimism? No way! 41 game winning streak! Here comes .500, baby!
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
RwaarrrrrhhhhhhhH!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
no 20 - 5 tear?
Speak for yourself
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
by danielreese05 on Aug 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
last nights game almost brought me to tears
But for the second or third time all season, they were the good kind
"Being an Orioles fan is like having very painful genital warts."
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
by danielreese05 on Aug 4, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I see Showalter and all..but seriously???
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