Tuesday Bird Droppings
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Orioles: Decisions loom with seven pending free agents - baltimoresun.com
"There are no headliners on the list; in fact, the club can't receive top compensation for any of its pending free agents. But there are several players the Orioles would like to keep around in the right situation, specifically infielder Ty Wigginton, reliever Koji Uehara and, to a lesser extent, shortstop Cesar Izturis, outfielder Corey Patterson and reliever Mark Hendrickson." Corey? Really? Why?
Inbox: Will Britton be called up? | orioles.com: News
"Orioles officials don't want Britton's first taste of the Majors to come out of the bullpen. With the team already looking into adding Tillman and going to a six-man rotation, adding Britton -- with several off days -- doesn't make much sense."
Rob Dibble won't be calling Nationals games any time soon | HardballTalk
He hasn't really been fired, but he's not calling the Nats games either. You do the math.
Here's a pic of Philip Seymour Hoffman as Art Howe in "Moneyball" - twitpic
It's as bad as you think it will be.
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Machado: I've been waiting for this for a long time
"I believe I'll be up there young," Machado said. "It's up to me too. It's not only up to the club. I've got to do what I was picked to do. I've got to work hard and show people what I was paid to do."
Gwinnett lefty stymies Tides to end win streak | PilotOnline.com
"Gwinnett left-hander Scott Diamond took a no-hitter into the eighth inning before settling for a two-hit shutout Monday night as the Braves beat the Norfolk Tides 4-0 at Coolray Field."
Bowie's Komminsk notches 700th win | MiLB.com News
"Bowie Baysox starting pitcher Eddie Gamboa threw 6 1/3 shutout innings Monday night, earning his seventh victory as the Baysox topped the division-leading Altoona Curve, 2-0. The win was Baysox manager Brad Komminsk's 700th in eight years as a manager."
Frederick Keys Tyler Townsend Named Player of the Week - BoxscoreNews.com
"Frederick Keys first baseman Tyler Townsend has been named Carolina League Player of the Week for games played between August 23rd to August 29th. Townsend, who was promoted to Frederick on July 24th from Class-A Delmarva, went 8-for-20 with three doubles, two home runs, and seven runs batted in during the week."
Once again, Welty comes up big to help Keys win - The Frederick News-Post Online
"With a solo home run and a single, three runs scored -- including the winning run in the ninth -- and an RBI, Ronnie Welty played a big role for the Frederick Keys in their 7-6 win over Potomac on Sunday at Harry Grove Stadium."
Stampone Lifts Shorebirds To Win - WBOC-TV
"The Delmarva Shorebirds topped the Kannapolis Intimidators, 5-4, at Arthur W. Perdue Stadium on Monday night."
Back to school: Some Shorebirds drop mitts and pick up books | The Daily Times
"According to Major League Baseball, more than 680 players this year used the College Scholarship plan which allows both major league and minor league players to continue pursuing an education while still playing the game. Last year, 980 players applied for money to help pay for classes."
Orioles’ Top Draft Pick Machado Joins IronBirds, 1-for-3 in 11-5 Loss : The Dagger
"Starting at shortstop against the Vermont Lake Monsters, Manny Machado singled in the bottom of the third, popped out to second base in the bottom of the first, and flied out to left in the bottom of the fifth inning as Aberdeen’s bullpen surrendered eight runs in the 11-5 loss."
Steve Melewski: Manny looked good
"Machado went 1 for 3 with a single to center in the third. He crushed a ball in the fifth that was caught by the left fielder. In the field at short, he had just one ball hit to him but he made a highlight play out of it. It ended the Vermont fifth as he ranged up the middle to his left on a hard-hit ball, fielded it out by second base, spun around and threw out the runner."
"The Bluefield Orioles won their final road game, defeating Johnson City 6-1 on Monday night at Cardinal Park."
Bye birds " Bluefield Daily Telegraph
"A doubleheader between the two local rivals, the result of a rainout earlier this season, will end the regular season and close a chapter in Bluefield sports history."
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I’ll take Corey back as a fourth outfielder over Izturis as starting SS any day of the week.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
Corey off the bench is ok by me
I wonder what they think is in store for Nolan, though. 1B? DH? Norfolk?
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
I'd rather just have Matt Angle as the 4th outfielder
Along with Nolan & Luke, who are both capable of filling in competently enough.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
eh, it's the fourth outfielder
basically anybody can do that job. I will lose no sleep over this.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
basically anybody?
Do you think they’d give me the job? That would be fun.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Dibble would blow a gasket
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Stick to what you know.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is nothing.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
and stick to your little blogs.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
but that’s why resigning CPat is kinda dumb. Even if Nolan is at 1st and Luke at DH, either of them could be the 4rd outfielder and we basically already have 2 CFers so if one goes down the other moves over. I guess it’s nice to have a speed guy on the bench, but then who gets left off because of it? If we do resign Wiggs like they say they’d like to, that’s one spot. backup catcher would be 2, and Corey would be 3. Is anyone else a more viable option for a bench spot? Fox? Lugo? (kidding)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'll say this
If I had to choose between Corey or Reimold as a 4th OF, it’s Corey by a country mile. I don’t really like Reimold off the bench. Yeah, he has pop, but we’re not an NL team. Corey can play all three outfield positions reasonably well and has a decent enough bat. Reimold can only play left.
If we don’t sign some first baseman, I’d be fine with giving Reimold a chance at first, but I have a feeling we’re going to sign one of Pena/Lee (hopefully Pena). If that happens, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Scott traded and have Reimold be our everyday DH.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
I'll be terribly disappointed if that happens
Luke Scott is as good as Carlos Pena and under team control until 2013. Pena is gonna be 33 years old and and looking for a big payday. Derrick Lee is gonna be 35 years old.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
yeah, this
that sounds awfully lateral. I think the best bet is for the Orioles to tell Reimold and Scott to come to camp ready to be the everyday first baseman, give them the winter to prepare for it, and go from there.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Pauly Konerko is in the same category
Older, but still useful for 2-3 more years. He’s put up numbers and could be a cheaper alternative to Pena/Lee. I think it’s worth kicking the tires on Pauly moreso than Pena or Lee. I’d love Dunn, but have no faith that we’d go after him.
I see no use for Corey whatsoever. As stated above, Luke and Felix can handle it. If Reimold is in the fold (big “if,” granted) it will have a pretty significant trickle-down effect as well. I think he & Felix could handle left for the whole season, Luke can spell one should there be an injury. In this scenario Scott would be used for the most part at DH, spelling our new FA mid-30’s 1B (or Reimold, I would love to think he could be our in-house solution for righty pop at 1B/LF but I can’t) and give Bell the 3rd base job outright.
Wiggy can walk. He’ll probably command more than what he’s truly worth considering he had a solid season numbers-wise, although us Bird fans know it was two months of heaven and mediocrity after that. I know his versatility…but he’s average at best at all three positions. Juan Uribe’s out there, just saying. Omar Infante’s out there, just saying. I think we could find a guy should we decide Wiggy is no longer in our plans. He should have been moved in June, but that topic has already been discussed and I don’t wanna beat a dead horse.
The overall middle & corner infield FA list doesn’t look all that stellar so I say we pounce on Infante or Uribe early, and then take it from there. I love the versatility these guys would bring to the table. Infante is obviously this year’s Martin Prado & he’s only 29.
It’s a bit silly to get this detailed this far away from the winter moves, but I really think if we stir up enough of a racket, maybe someone in the warehouse will listen up.
OMAR INFANTE PEOPLE!
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante has a club option
which means he won’t be available.
I’d like to see Konerko or Pena on a three year deal, I just don’t think either thing is going to happen. Anything longer than that and I think it’d be a disservice to the Orioles to take someone like that.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
i just read that
i’m devastated. And I totally agree on a 2-3 yr flier TOPS on the 1B you mentioned.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Thoughts on Uribe?
He’s had some really ridiculous hot streaks in SF, and he plays 2B, 3B, an SS. If he can put up numbers in that cavernous park out there, it should translate to OPACY.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
his numbers have been pretty good the past two years
comparable to wiggy, no?
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
17 HR 71 RBI, 249 BA this yr
awfully Wiggy-esque IMO.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I think he'd be a solid replacement for Wiggy
those numbers would look a little better at OPACY as opposed to AT&T Park. I’m just trying to pick up the pieces of my life after finding out about Infante’s club option.
I’m not anti-Ty at all, I just wonder if AM is going to bring him back and how they plan to address the hole it would leave should he walk.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Uribe's numbers are probably
somewhat inflated by playing in the National League, and most probably wouldn’t be up to Wigginton’s quality in the AL East.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
There’s a reason people put up better numbers in the NL West than in the AL East. Why would you replace Ty Wigginton with a guy who’s similar but worse?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I feel it's more lateral
I understand the NL vs AL argument. But there’s something to be said for the OPACY vs AT&T Park argument too. How could his numbers be inflated? By having the pitcher in your lineup it automatically decreases the potential for runs & RBI. Plus Uribe’s defense is better at each position he plays.
He’s probably not coming here anyway, I just don’t think it’s that big a drop off in production. Wiggy didn’t really do anything for us his entire tenure here minus the first three months of this season.
RBI is a completely worthless stat so I won't bother talking about it.
His numbers are inflated by facing substantially worse pitchers every night.
How did Huff’s numbers work out going from camden yards to AT&T?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Huff put up the exact same numbers in '08
in OPACY vs AL East pitching. I think it’s safe to say ’09 was an abomination.
Beat me to it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
about the park
AT&T is tougher on righties isn’t it? It seems like the left center gap is like 400 ft away. The power alleys, etc.
it is...
I’m just looking at the FA list for MI/CI and Uribe’s really all that stands out. He can play 2B, SS, and 3B. We don’t know what’s going to happen with Izzy. We may need insurance for Bell, and Lugo is trash. So he just seems like a logical fit to me.
I may not use facts, but I do use words to make my case stronger. Very Colbert-ish.
To me
what you’re saying is, let’s replace a guy who’s playing slightly above league average in the toughest division in baseball with a guy who’s playing below league average in the worst division in baseball. It just doesn’t make sense.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think The AS Game appearance has put blinders on us in regards to Ty
His numbers after May are atrocious. May 1st he’s hitting .324. One month later, it’s 40 points less. One month later, it’s 20 points less. He’s hit 7 HR in the last three months. His numbers are inflated by a fluke April/May, so the regression has been pretty obvious to all of us. Trust me, I don’t think Uribe is a triple crown threat by any stretch. But I’m sure he come come to Baltimore and hit .250 with 20 homers & drive in 70-75 while being able to play GOOD defense at three positions we already have question marks at.
If the question is Uribe vs. Wiggy
Noting that neither is good enough to be a starter and that Uribe is more valuable defensively, I’d probably pick Uribe.
On bat strength, though, Wiggy has one year in his whole career in which his wOBA matched Uribe’s career wOBA. And Uribe gets a boost from playing in the weaker league…it doesn’t look that close to me offensively.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I'd like to see Pauly in an O's uniform.
I don’t know what the stats are, but that guy seems to CRUSH us. If all things are equal… have him join us!
Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.
by Birdland in NC on Aug 31, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I just reread that
and realized I wrote it backwards. Wigginton’s always been a better bat than Uribe. Wiggy had one year in which his wOBA dipped to match Uribe’s career mark.
So, Wiggy is a distinctly better bat, Uribe is a distinctly better fielder. Neither should be a starter. Therefore I’d take Uribe…but he’d be replacing Lugo’s role on the roster, not Wigginton’s.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
This is why I'm in favor of it
He could back up B-Rob, Izzy, and Bell. And make Lugo expendable. And he’d be cheap. We could re-sign Izzy and go after a big 1B bat right?
Ok disregard my question
I thought Kell was arguing for replacing Wigginton with Uribe – not to just get Uribe to be a defensive replacement.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Wait what?
You were saying that Wiggy is substantially better offensively right? That’s what it looks like to me, but I thought Kell might have thought you were saying the opposite.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
the last two years the guys have put up identical numbers
it would cost more to re-sign Wiggy considering this is an AS season. Uribe & Izzy for peanuts, shoring up the IF would work for me. Then use the big bucks to shoot for Dunn, Pena, Pauly, any of the aforementioned names.
what makes you think it would cost more?
They are being paid the same currently.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Naturally his agent would use the All Star game as a bargaining chip
and he’s 33, time’s ticking. I doubt hometown discounts happen these days.
I'd love to bring Huff back
but he seems like he’s really enjoying himself out there.
I just have a soft spot. The fist pump vs Joba is the most Birdland moment I can think of, save for a comeback or two lol!
Yeah, and we lost that game
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Eh
hometown discounts happen all the time. And I’m more in the camp that a higher age is a reason to pay less not more.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I agree
but I’m looking at it from the player/agent perspective. He’s coming off a career year & he made the All-Star team, so these factors will come up in negotiations. And from a personal stance, he will most likely want a deal that is for a year longer than a team will want him for. He’s 33. How many times do we see a team haggle a guy because of that one extra year they want once they reach FA in their mid 30’s?
exception more than rule though
Torii Hunter, Tex, Burnett, anyone from Maryland for that matter, there’s a much longer list on the FU pay me side.
Right...
but since when does Pig-Face fall into that kind of rare air? Hell, at this point he’d be lucky to command much more than what the Orioles paid for him, his skill set doesn’t age well, and he isn’t the kind of defensive player you really want for the UT role.
$3 mm max per year over 2 years is where I’m at with him
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't
I just fully expect them to try to milk it for all they can, which AM may deem too much at this stage in his career, and the stage of the ballclub in its development.
Yeah you're talking about the creme of the crop
lots of middle of the road guys want to stay where they are.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
So you'd be in favor of bringing him back?
In what capacity? As a backup to Bell & whatever FA 1B we decide to go with? That would suit me fine. I don’t want to bring him back as our everyday 1B though. We need a definitive upgrade at the position. And I don’t know that many ballplayers would want to settle for a backup corner IF job coming off an All-Star season.
Considering that...
that’s exactly what he signed here to be (a UT player) I doubt he’d go all man overboard about it. If he’s half as self-aware as I think he is, he knows his ASG trip was a joke (as Nick was our best player) and doesn’t let that inflate his opinion of his market value.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not necessarily in favor of bringing him back
I’m just not in favor of bringing in Uribe instead of him for the same price.
Let’s not forget that Wigginton is not an idiot. He know that his all star selection is mostly meaningless – just as all the GMs do.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
True, we all know it was a fluke
I think Luke was denied two years in a row, but that’s neither here nor there. Wiggy was brought in as a utilityman, but for all intents & purposes he has served as our 1B for the majority of this season. He may very well hold these delusions in his head that he’s capable of being an everyday 1B for us. I’m sure we’ll get a better feel for his stance once we reach the offseason. In a perfect world, he’s happy to come back and back up a big time FA 1B, and serve as insurance should Bell not progress like we all hope.
We’ve gotten really deep into a hypothetical situation, and I think we’re making good points. I wouldn’t be overly enthused with a Juan Uribe signing but seeing the way Macphail has operated the club over his tenure, I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy was targeted. It’s just too practical and too cost efficient for him to not consider, which is more a statement of him than it is of Uribe’s talents.
Any thoughts on Jorge Cantu?
I don’t know that he would actually live up to what he would sign for. The 1B/3B flexibility is nice, but he seemed to have really started slumping around the beginning of June.
He'd definitely be more expensive, right?
Unless a player is truly impact, I’d say it’s not worth it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
he'd cost more for sure
but he’s only 29, and a proven run producer. his batting average fluctuates a little too much for my tastes. he seems to have really good seasons followed by really mediocre ones.
I don’t know about the whole “proven run producer” thing. He always looks pretty shitty to me – .320 career OBP and only a handful of positive WAR seasons…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
What do those numbers say about him?
That he had lots of guys on base in front of him and competent hitters behind him? How does that make any statements about him as a hitter? Neither of those things are things that he controls, so I don’t care about them.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
he hits .285 in that stretch
and drives in almost 200 & averages 80 runs per season of the course of 2 years and you’re saying it’s nothing? He absolutely controls his RBI numbers. How else do the guys score? Off his bat!
Do I think he’ll duplicate those numbers? Probably not, but to say he’s not accountable for the numbers he produces doesn’t make sense to me.
Oh boy...
RBIs are almost totally dependant on other people. For example:
1) Josh Bell 2Bs with Felix Pie on 1st = RBI
2) Josh Bell 2Bs with Matt Wieters on 1st = No RBI.
Runs are pretty much the same idea, just in reverse.
They’re counting stats, nice for the back of baseball cards but not very useful for evaluating players.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
Man I’m not that big of a stat head, so I’ll let the other more sabermetric folks jump in here, but I’ll just say that RBI and R are really not a good stat to use to assess a player’s performance or value. It is highly dependent on the performance of others.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
They're a terrible way of measuring anything
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Disagree
They’re a great way of measuring the number of runs a player drives in and the number of times that player scores during a particular season. You could even add multiple seasons together!
i see your points
but he’s gotta make contact to get the guys moving. Everything is dependent on others when it comes to baseball. I don’t understand how one can shrug off those kind of numbers as insignificant, or present the argument that he’s not a successful player.
We haven’t had much success in the 100RBI department here lately. It is reflected in our record. What am I not getting here?
Everything is dependent on others when it comes to baseball.
Not true – that’s why GMs (and everybody else really) are starting to pay attention to stats that a player can actually control – OBP, slugging, K’s, etc for a hitter, K’s, BB’s, HRs for a pitcher.
The numbers that you are accusing us of shrugging off SHOULD be shrugged off because they say as much or more about his teammates than they do about him – are we going to sign the rest of his lineup as well as him? If not, they are useless.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Theres no better case study for this than Nick Markakis
Is he any less of a player because for most of the season he came up with no one on base, hit a double, then stood there with his hands on his hips for the rest of the inning because no one could drive him in?
Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of Nick this year
I havent really looked at it that carefully. But i do know that if i did take the time to analyze it, his RBI and run totals wouldn’t be a factor.
Other, better statistics...
have been developed that take RBI into account without allowing the number to distort the whole picture. wRC, wRC+, WAR, etc. all provide a better picture of a player’s actual value to his team.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you guys mean
There are many determining factors that go into said run/rbi that don’t tell the whole story as to why it happened, and as a result, aren’t a true reflection of the player’s talent or ability.
Runs & RBI do have a direct influence on the outcome of games though. I guess I’m oversimplifying to a fault here.
I'll say RBIs and Runs have historical value
I don’t totally dismiss runs and RBIs. for example i think they should be relevant when discussing Hall of Fame cases. They can be a good metric of judging a players impact over his career. A player with a lot of RBIs is likely to have been influential to the outcome of a lot of seasons.
the point is more that that they have little predictive power when trying to measure player value. I’d hate to see RBIs used as the basis for a free agent signing when there are more context-independent statistics that provide a better idea how that player will perform in a different environment.
I'm with you on that
Tex gets more RBI in NY than if he’s in Pittsburgh’s lineup. There are more advanced ways of defining a player’s true worth.
Yeah...
Do. Not. Want.
Cantu has been a so-so player his whole career. His career wRC+ is essentailly league average. His DEF is shit…
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sure I'm sure his agent will want that
but I don’t think any gms put much stock in a random all-star appearance.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I could have been clearer
my apologies. Hey we’re all here trying to explore ways to improve the roster, it’s fun to play GM! Andy McPhail should give it a try sometime. ZING!
If Juan Uribe is your version of improve the roster
I hope Andy McPhail never does it. A 31 year old utility infielder who cant hit well or play defense well. Juan Uribe is pure garbage.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 31, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pena's numbers
have been falling since he signed with TB. Yes, he can still hit HRs and take a walk, but where are his AVG & OBP going to be next year? Below the Mendoza & around .315? Who wants to hand that guy a big payday?
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
which is why I wouldn't give him a big payday
but he is heads and shoulders better than whatever we’d throw out there otherwise, so I’d be down for a moderate commitment…and I don’t expect that he’d be down for that in Baltimore, anyway.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Pena’s numbers have been falling since he signed with TB.
Well, his numbers have fallen since his first year with TB. His actually took a sharp turn afterwards after signing with TB. And given how big of an aberration that first season was, you would expect a decline.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
correction: his numbers actually took a sharp turn upwards after signing with TB.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Scott's one full WAR higher than Pena.
That ain’t the end all/be all, but the only thing Pena seems to have keeping him looking moderately attractive at this point is power.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
That's true
But I can’t say I’d have a problem with Scott DHing and have Pena be our first baseman. First base is kind of a black hole for us and can Luke really be expected to put up an OPS+ of 143 again?
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
If only we could sign the 1999 version of Raffy
He won a gold glove while only playing 28 games in the field and the rest DHing. Dude must have played the greatest D at first of all time.
Or sports writers are just moronic.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
Pena, Konerko or Lee would cost too much
I’m not talking dollars, either. Remember the uproar over signing Gonzalez last winter costing the Orioles a 2nd round draft pick? All of those first basemen would cause the same problem next draft. I don’t think Pena or Lee are worth a 2nd round draft pick. (Our 1st round pick is protected again) Konerko might be worth it. He isn’t as old and is more productive. He would co$t too, though.
oh, you know
I hadn’t even looked at compensation. You’re right though, hard to see how anybody in that tier would be a) willing to sign for a moderate contract in Bmore, and b) worth a big contract to Bmore, and c) worth losing a draft pick over.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I don't know if he'll really be getting a payday.
I don’t think giving him 2/18 would be in the worst thing in the world, but I doubt he’d sign that contract to come to Baltimore.
To say he can “take a walk” is a bit of an understatement though, the dude walks a shitload considering his BA. This year he also has a .235 BABIP. His career BABIP is .282. His LD% is down a bit, but he’s also hitting a weird amount of ground balls compared to what he usually does.
I think if he goes back to fitting fly balls like he has in years past, he’ll be pretty good. He’ll never be 2007 good again, but if he can have an OPS around .850 he’d be worth it. He’s gonna be worth 2 WAR this year and I think that beats anything we can trot out right now.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
Reimold played a bunch of RF in the minors
In fact I believe that was his natural position. Also, we have Pie and Jones who can both play CF, so if any 1 starter goes down, we still have a natural LF, CF, and RF. Also, I doubt we sign Pena or Lee, and if we do I won’t be very happy about it. I rather sign VMart to be the every day 1B and the backup catcher than sign Pena (and I dont really want that to happen either). No thanks.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd prefer Crawford in LF.
OF of Crawford/Jones/Markakis/Pie
1B/DH covered with Luuuuuke/Reimold
Wiggy off the bench.
Besides which, we haven’t seen if Pie can last a whole season & Jones hasn’t been able to put a whole season together at the plate or in the field. Nobody seems to talk about them being question marks, but in my mind they shouldn’t be guaranteed anything at this point.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Speaking of Crawford
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
neither of them have signed fat extensions yet, so the point is really moot. Based on Pie’s improvment from toolsy player with low baseball IQ (though he made overruning bases adorable) to the player he is today, I would feel better about penciling him in over Reimold. As for Jones, he’s been basically the same player for the past two years, which means he needs to take a step up on defense (or should I say a step back) and start taking some pitches.
Markakis on the other hand, he scares me (not really, I think he’ll be fine). He’s slumping and we just signed him to a long-term overmarket deal.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Today is Frank Robinson's 75th birthday
Hope he has a good one.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Happy B-day Frank!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Does this headline bother anyone else?
Josh Beckett, Red Sox Have Sights Set on Crucial Series Sweep in Baltimore
This is a good line:
Trips to Baltimore are usually reserved for Red Sox wins, but this one is no gimme.
Someone should print that out and put it up in the O’s clubhouse. Of course they can’t actually make up facts, so they had to also put in there that the Red Sox have lost four of six in Baltimore this year and that the O’s are 16-10 under Showalter.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Ugh
and they include the phrase Fenway South in the “Outlook” part of their little scouting report or whatever it is. I just hate them so much!
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
And there I was seething in hate for the Yankees
At work last night I was forced to watch the most storied franchise in sports history kick the Athletics around the stadium. Of course, four balls that fell for extra base hits for the Yankees should have been caught by the pathetic A’s outfielders. (You think Corey spaces out…you should check out these guys). Every time I looked up the boys in pinstripes were strutting around their dugouts, looking like the biggest bunch of douchebags imaginable. The only moment of consolation was when Posada was hit in the foot by a pitch that bounced and then glanced off his shoe protector. Hilarious overreaction by Jorge too.
I kept thinking, Oh, lord, I can’t wait until we get a crack at these douchebags…and then I read this headline and the patronizing “not a gimme” garbage and suddenly PHN jumps ahead of the MFY as Public Enemies No. 1.
by Fred Sanford on Aug 31, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah no kidding
Think it hurts us O’s to see the Yankees preen and strut? Imagine how it makes a PHN fan feel. I kind of like the Yankees winning, so long as it keeps Boston out of the postseason.
Posada was ridiculous!
Also ridiculous was Jeter’s jump spin on the throw to first. He needed to hover Matrix style why?
With all the acting and the fancy leaping, I thought I was watching an episode of Fame.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I HATE the "Fenway South" thing with a passion.
My best friend married a girl whose relatives are all rabid Red Sox fans. (She isn’t nearly as much.) Before the wedding, I told him that if her family ever used that phrase in my presence, I could not be held accountable for my actions, which would presumably include violence.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Aug 31, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate that the Red Sox fans say it
But it really gets on my nerves the way it gets tossed around by Boston media.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
I hope there's a benches clearing brawl and someone has the good sense to rip that stupid ass necklace-thingy off of Beckett
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I do like a brawl
But I’d rather Brian Matusz just shut them down and the O’s knock the stuffing out of Beckett. If there is a brawl I hope it’s tomorrow since I’ll be there. Of course I’ll be at the game with stupid Jon Lester pitching.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
As frustrated as I am with Lester
…I just cannot bring the hate against him.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Oh I don't hate him at all
In fact I’ve been given shit by some people for how much I like him. But I still don’t want to go to the game when he’s pitching since he always dominates the Orioles.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
I think surviving cancer has a lot to do with it.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 31, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be dangerous
those Phiten necklaces contain liquid titanium. I suspect that if the structural integrity of the necklace were compromised in a brawl, Beckett would have some severe burns around his neck.
is that right?
why put something expensive in those things? Why not just put plastic in there, since it’s just a necklace?
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
We should pitch in
and buy some for the O’s starting rotation. Only instead of liquid titanium, we can have them filled with liquid cheese.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Sidney Ponson wishes you had come up with this idea a few years ago
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Before he filled himself with liquid cheese?
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to speak for someone else...
but I believe Duck would disapprove.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm good with Cheez Wiz
Carry on.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Er, what?
Titanium’s melting point is 3,034 degrees Fahrenheit…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ohh, it's water-soluble.
That makes more sense. I should look these things up before I post.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I was being facetious
there would probably be no burns. Those Phiten necklaces are just hilarious. Some cost as much as $80, just for that sweet sweet placebo effect.
Haha, okay.
I couldn’t quite tell. They are pretty silly, but I guess if you’re playing in the majors, you have money to burn…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Maybe it's mercury then
If so, that would be a cool thing for Bucket to have around his neck.
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Well in that case
someone can just rip out some of his douchey goatee.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
fenway south?
Era of dominance? Right, of course, how could we forget the era of dominance that was earlier this season in may? I mean, we DID sweep them…
"double rainbow...what does it MEAN?"
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
by danielreese05 on Aug 31, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know, you COULD clip this stuff for me so I could post it...
Just sayin’.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Well seeing as how I didn't see it until 8:18 a.m.
Which is when I posted it here, I’m not sure how that is possible :P
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
ahahaha, first comment
Keeping it real said…
DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH, sweep, really? Sox don’t sweep bad teams remember?
Please put your fans out of their misery, it’s OVAH Sox.
The rest of the comments are in a similar vein:
Patrick said…
Red Sox are going to sweep Baltimore? Is Beckett skipping his next start?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Have they not watched Beckett ONCEsince he came back?
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't it Pedroia who said...
first series of the year, that they expected it to be 3 easy wins @BAL, but then got their asses kicked 3 days in a row?
Put that shit on repeat.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Bury them
Not that they stand much of a chance 7 games out, but I’d love to see the nail in the coffin be a sweep at the hands of the O’s.
I’ll be there tonight, only the 2nd time i’ll have ever seen Matusz(compared to like, 8 games of Millwood…).
damn reply fail
This was meant as a response to Stacey. Good way to ingratiate myself with the crowd.
I have like 3 reply fails per game...
And we can’t count some of the others on this site :)
Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.
by Birdland in NC on Aug 31, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sock it to 'em...
The Bosox don’t realize that this is not the same team as earlier and the year and you couldn’t beat us then at the yard,bring out the brooms on this one! As for free agents…we should keep Scott for obvious reasons,Patterson because he has earned it and is cost effective.Koji because he will be the closer and seems to relish the roll.Wiggy,Hendricks,not so much,I think we can do better with a utility infielder granted he has hit some homers,but he’s hitting like 250,not your quality hitter we need to protect Nick.We need a right handed bat a first basemen and one quality starter whose not over the hill as a number one.Maybe with Buck at the helm and the friendly confines of the YARD,we can get the help we need thur free agency,at least the future looks brighter then it has since the 80’s…
KEEP IZZY...
It doesn’t matter what he hits,as long as he plays Defense the way he does,its almmost automatic when you hit it to him…
Plus, Andino can't field
Have you seen how many errors he’s made at Norfolk?
Keep Cesar!
Hail Cesar!
by Fred Sanford on Aug 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
if only...
if only, they could some how create a hybrid, a cesar andino.. if you will.
What up?
by snakethejake on Aug 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Coco Lugo
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
so he's like a two-way automatic out
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
ugh i went through the effort of actually packing a lunch for work today and left it in my fridge at home
I’m terrible at this real job thing
If you wore your Phiten, you would've remembered
If your bio-electric currents were regulated properly with the patented Aqua-Titanium technology, you would experience clarity of mind like never before. Never forget your lunch again! Only $39.
or i can just do what my friend recommended and put my keys on top of it in the fridge
but $39 sounds like a steal.
That's what I do
Keys in the fridge, otherwise I forget it. Same for when I go to my parents house and my mom packs some food for me to take home, which is almost every time.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
by Stacey on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fridges at work FTW
I keep a bag of lunch stuff in the fridge at work, and just make my lunch during my lunch break. Makes it very difficult to forget.
Thats not a bad idea either
but i’m kind of a food snob, so i’d rather make something fresh each night if i have the time.
I'm Lazy
Making a lunch the night before is ideal(and whenever I cook I make extra just so I can have leftovers), but the frequency with which I forget it the next day just doesn’t outweigh the benefits of the increased tastiness.
I just got my lunch out of the fridge
and realized I forgot to pack any type of utensil. So now I’m eating my kapusta with a carrot stick and you aren’t the only one with lunch fail.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to stop by qdoba to pick something up,
but told myself i was only going to eat half of the burrito so i wouldnt be asleep at my desk all afternoon. Who did i think i was kidding?
There's a Qdoba pretty close to where I work,
but man, I miss Chipotle…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
They're finally opening one in Center City Philadelphia
which i’m excited about. Though i also feel a little guilty because i know the guy that owns all the Qdobas in Philly, and they’re opening up right next door.
As much as the niceness of UPenn's campus annoyed me,
I was so, so happy when they opened a Chipotle there.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
what’s annoying about a nice campus??? And I’ll take qdoba over chipotle every time.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Just jealousy, since Drexel's is not so nice.
And the guys I work with like Qdoba better, too… I think it’s Chipotle’s rice that makes them win out for me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I do like chipotle's rice
but chipotle gives me an aftertaste for hours.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I was pretty disappointed with the lack of decent cheap mexican food in center city when I moved here
I thought it was a big enough city there would be a least a few options besides the usual chains, but if they’re here I cant find them.
I'm trying to think of Art Howe...
That’s not howe he looks, is it? (see what i did there?)
What up?
ha!
but really, he looks like buck showalter.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Aug 31, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
duck, bad news
my car needs work and my mechanic, Hobson, gave me the choice to either fix it or go see the shorebirds this weekend.
Hrm. Disappointed doesn’t do my feelings justice today.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
I love that Showalter was there to see Manny
Buck wants his hands on everything.
by Dingbat Charlie on Aug 31, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
well, keep him away from the children then
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
More Dibble drama!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/08/dibble_situation_still_unclear.html
“It depends on if the 30 percent increase is going from 100 innings to 130 innings,” Dibble said. "Okay, that’s a little bit ridiculous. You need to start getting starting pitchers up to the 200-inning mark….
“If Nolan Ryan told you to pitch with a little bit of pain…would you listen to him? And it’s only because people hate me and hate that it comes from my mouth — that you’re going to have to learn your body and have to play through certain pain and injury — that people hate it. But if Nolan Ryan told a pitcher in that organization, [or if Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux] came on here and said, ‘Pitch as long as you can pitch, we’ll let you know when you’re done,” you would listen. Take it from those guys. They know a lot more about it than I do.
“Oh I don’t need people to love me. It’s just when you start saying ‘Listen, this ex-baseball player is talking baseball, don’t listen to him.’ Is that asinine or what? That cracks me up.”
And more at the link. Dan Steinberg totally has it in for Dibble.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
man, ex-baseball players. They're ridiculous!
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
Would love to see a response by Nolan Ryan
I hope to see something along the lines of “Leave me out of this.”
I hope sto see something along the lines of a face punch
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd like to see a repeat of an event in Nolan Ryan's past
only 86 Ventura, sub Dibble.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
I love this comment
The people who don’t like Dibble are the same people who are offended by shows like South Park….and those aren’t my kind of people.
Anyone who doesnt see the difference between Dibble and South Park very much does not understand South Park. If Dibble was brash and offensive but at the core was making intelligent and interesting arguments, he’d be my favorite announcer in baseball. Instead he prides himself on being uninformed and bashes anyone who dares try to raise the level of discourse.
People really don't get
what censorship is, do they?
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Last time I checked, the Feds didn’t care if Dibs called Nats games. They’re too busy trying to lock up The Rocket.
If it ain’t the government, it ain’t censorship.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
I hope you don't teach this in school.
We’ve had this debate before.
If it ain’t the government it may not be “censorship” in the legal definition of the term. But censorship certainly exists outside the government and may be described as such.
E.g., in college, all of our marching band shows had to be passed through a committee which looked for the innuendo we were hiding in them; when they found it, this committee would edit and/or strike stuff out. We were censored, no question.
If the MASN tells Dibble he can’t say something on the air, it’s censorship. It’s just not something he can bring a lawsuit over.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'd argue it's prior restraint
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
after reading the article
I am so totally floored by the amount of awesome ignorance going on that my brain can’t process all of it. Ken Tremendous would have a tough time digging through this in full.
...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."
If it were anyone other than Rob Dibble
I’d wonder if the person spewing all of this nonsense was some kind of evil genius.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
He's just blinded by his self-love
It’s a simple case of “I’m getting attention so I must be doing something right”.
No Rob, you’re doing something incredibly annoying and flat out WRONG. You have attention because you’ve been an MLB broadcaster and as such, people have to listen to you.
My roommate loves Rob Dibble and his passion. Fine. Passion isn’t necessarily bad. But seriously, how can people tolerate him?
he used to come into my wife's bar after night games
wearing sunglasses and long sleeve shirts with low v-neck collars. He would roll his sleeves up so we could see his spider web tattoo on his elbow. That about sums it up.
by KellRawLive on Aug 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
“People see the difference, Rob,” his co-host said. "People know. The one thing that I’ve found out doing this for 27 years now: Fans are smart. They see when someone’s being censored. They want people to say what they’re all thinking. Now, it doesn’t mean that we’re always right, doesn’t mean that they’re always right, but they want someone on that broadcast [who’s honest],
Rob doesn’t agree. He’s always right.
And if Nolan Ryan said to ignore elbow or shoulder pain and play through it, I would say he’s crazy too. I understand the suck it up attitude for position players to a certain degree, but you don’t screw around with sore elbows or shoulders. I’m pitchers play with some soreness everyday, but you should at least have it checked out instead of urging the player to suck it up.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
The thing is, is that he is right.
People do “hate” him (I think it’s more like don’t respect him) and that is going to effect the way people respond to his opinion.
But dude. Everybody else in America with a job or any type of responsibility goes around not acting like a douchebag at work so that people there will respect them and listen to their opinion when one is offered. It’s called professionalism and it’s what separates you from ex-ballplayers who are successful at broadcasting. It’s not the popularity contest you seem to think it is. It’s discipline.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He's right that people hate, but he's stupid if he thinks people are responding to him because of that prior hate
A well respected writer could have said that and it still would have been stupid and lambasted by people.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'm not going to defend what he said
but I think there are concepts there that could have been offered up in a less personal and blustery manner and not on the heels of his fan mockery that would not have generated that much controversy.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, absolutely
As I said before, for position players, I think I could be more understanding of the suck it up position. And if pitchers, I can understand the suck it position for certain minor injuries like a blister on the pitcher’s non-throwing hand. But Dibble did not offer any type of nuance or context to his opinion. He spouted his typical moronic opinions.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
We don't have an argument here.
The guy’s job (ostensibly) is to offer up commentary based on his knowledge and experience as a former player. He has to say things, is expected to formulate opinions and say them. The fact that he can’t do it with nuance, context, diplomacy or with any perspective whatsoever makes him bad at it. I think wildly inappropriate, angry, emotionally charged crap all the time at my job. But I have the mental discipline to either keep it to myself or rephrase it in a way that is constructive. It’s purely self serving, which is why anybody who is successful at anything learns to do it.
It’s pretty ironical that his issue boils down to a lack of discipline and character.
Camden Chat...far better than yahoo message boards. -NewJerseyAveSE Aug 13, 2010
by killertomato on Aug 31, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Philip Seymour Hoffman is a great actor, and Art Howe could be played by a tree stump or a competent home appliance
Why do I have the feeling that “Moneyball” is going to suck— because it just isn’t the Stuff of Movies? I dunno. Maybe it’s actually Brad Pitt as Billy Beane that sets off WARNING-WARNING-WARNING lights. On the other hand, I’m a big Jonah Hill fan. Anyway, look at two things here: the cast (good!) and the no. of hands in the script (five?!?) Hmmm….
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1210166/
Over to you, Z…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
If only the O's had known of said tree stump or competent home appliance last off season
we could have been spared those few months of Garrett Atkins.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Atkins, yes, was a tree stump without the moves, or an appliance that couldn't be plugged in. Just sorta there, cashing checks
At least he isn’t playing Miggi in “Moneyball”. Jonah Hill is.
Joke, just a joke: Royce Clayton is.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Philip Seymour Hoffman is a great actor, and Art Howe could be played by a tree stump or a competent home appliance
Hehe. I was thinking the same thing. I love Hoffman but it’s overkill to have him play Howe. Talk about using a chainsaw to slice up some carrots.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Brad Pitt is a "kryptonite" actor for me
His acting is so atrocious, and yet he works so much despite this, that I actually go out of my way to avoid seeing his movies at all costs. I’m going to have a problem with Moneyball, since it’s a topic I love, and I mostly like Hoffman too. I’ll probably wait for the reviews.
Other kryptonite actors for me include Adam Sandler, Jim Carrey and Sandra Bullock.
Then there are my absolute must-see actors like Julianne Moore, Kate Winslet, Clive Owen, and my secret shame, Drew Barrymore, who’s not brilliant, but whom I have a crush on.
When a move comes up featuring a kryptonite actor and a must-see actor (such as Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind), I go into cognitive dissonance.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Brad Pitt sez,
Don’t condescend me, man. I’ll fuckin’ kill ya, man.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
+1. You realize, of course, that this was (is) without question BP's Finest Moment in Cinema.
No joke, he really was terrific for all 90 sec. of this role (or whatever it was). I don’t think even S. Penn could’ve topped this little sequence, which was sort of What Happened to Jeff Spiccoli When the Fast Times, Y’Know, Like Slowed Down. Way Down.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Must-sees: Billy Bob Thornton; William H. Macy; De Niro; Pacino; G. Depardieu; I. Adjani; D. Day-Lewis; Audrey Tautou
I can’t think of any unalloyed kryptonites among current actors, although anybody named Corey is on the edge
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I'm fine with Brad Pitt
I thought he was fine in Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Thelma and Louise, and Kalifornia. And him whining, “What’s in the box?” is good stuff in Seven. But I’ll also say that I haven’t seen a lot of Brad Pitt movies. I thought he was waaay overrated in Benjamin Button.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I'm OK on Thelma & Louise and 12 Monkeys, I guess. But he almost sank Inglorious Basterds for me
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Funny...
you should say that – I liked his performance in IBs, what was it that turned you off to it?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The "hillbilly" drawl thing made my teeth ache. Almost as bad as G. Hackman's "Polish accent" in A Bridge Too Far
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
You want a GOOD Polish accent by an American actor? M. Streep in Sophie's Choice. Dead on.
Yeah, she does accents. So do Mira Sorvino (Spanish in “Barcelona”), R. Zellweger (Brit in “Bridget Jones”), G. Paltrow (Elizabethan in “Willy Shake in Love”— in which B. Affleck’s “Elizabethan” was quite close to Hackman’s “Polish”).
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I forgot about the GOOD hillbilly/drawl example: De Niro, Bang the Drum Slowly. I thought they'd hired a hillbilly!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Paltrow's accent in SIL is infuriating.
The vowel/consonant changes are right, but she has no concept of operative/inoperative words.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Your infuriation (and my surprise at it) inspired me to nose around, just in case you weren't alone
A Googling of “Paltrow’s British accent” showed there is a don’t-buy-it school, bujt it appears to be a vocal minority. More think it’s v. good indeed, led by this kind of thumbs-uppery:
"Paltrow’s accent in ‘Shakespeare in Love’ (and ‘Sliding Doors") was enough to convince those not familiar with her work that she, in fact, was British. Alas, she is not."
http://www.popeater.com/2009/05/06/best-fake-british-accents/
Welp, tomato, tomahto…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I thought his accent was fine in IB… and I lived in TN for 7 years!
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
My childhood years in the Appalachian foothills (Franklin Co. VA) left me w/ a well-defined sense of Spoken Hillbilly — and BP wasn’t speakin’ it. But that’s just me. Anyway, compare BP w/ De Niro here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1hr2IUQhf0
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
there are a lot of different hillbilly accents
MS, Ap VA, the Carolinas, and TN all have slightly different accents.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
i asked my South Carolinian friend about pitt's accent
He said it’s southern but clearly exaggerated for comedic effect.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
he learned it entirely phonetically with a coach.
it was a train wreck. as was his whole role in that movie. he was awful. i felt he was basically trying to copy what clooney did in Oh Brother.
it would have been great to see what someone who could actually, ya know, ACT, did with that role.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I love Snatch
I thought about re-wording that, but decided against it…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
+1. That's what HE said.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Better than saying "I loved Snatch"
implying a lifestyle change. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
In both Memento and LA Confidential he had a terrific "coiled-spring" kind of presence. You KNEW sh#t was gonna happen
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
+1
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I am so over Audrey Tatou
Pacino was great before he started to yell every role. I agree with the rest of your must sees, except I’m not going to see this weird action thing DeNiro is in.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Stone
It makes me sad how Pacino and De Niro stopped reading scripts after heat and forgot how to act.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 31, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting. i love both brad pitt and jim carrey,
although both have had moments where the over-the-top went flying over-the-edge and crashed and burned. carrey more than pitt, although that may be a movie quality issue as well.
will ferrell is close to kryptonite for me, although i liked him in winter passing, and i sorta liked stepbrothers despite its absolute stupidity.
shia lebouf is quickly becoming kryptonite, and i’ve never been a fan of the likes of jesse eisenberg, that kid from Arrested Development whose name escapes me, anything matthew broderick has done since Ferris Buehler, and most recent appearances by the likes of deniro or morgan freeman or jack nicholson or…. i guess this list could be non-ending.
I’m all in on Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Ryan Gosling, Zooey Deschanel… that might be it. but i also like simon pegg, john malkovich, steve martin, colin farrell, daniel craig, audrey tautou, jean reno, aaron eckhart, juliette lewis, kate winslet, rachel weisz, george clooney… in addition to pitt and carrey. although i’m not sure i’d follow anyone to a craptastic movie.
I have very few favorite actors
Since I believe no actor can be good 100% of the time. Every actor will eventually sell out. This is why you should never become to attached to one actor or director.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 31, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do I have the feeling that "Moneyball" is going to suck— because it just isn’t the Stuff of Movies?
Actually I think this about sums up my feelings about The Social Network (the “facebook movie”) which i started to get into with birdman a bit the other day (yesterday?). I was arguing that there actually are some pretty fascinating elements to the story, but its the sort of thing thats much better suited to a documentary, not a dramatic movie.
I think I am obligated to see The Social Network – my future cousin-in-law is the star. Hope it’s decent.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I hope it's not Jesse Eisenberg
Because he’s about the only Kryptonite actor I have right now. Man, he’s awful. Woody Harrelson, Emma Stone and Abrigail Breslin (and Bill Fuckin’ Murray) saved “Zombieland,” and the 5 minutes I watched of “Adventureland” had me begging my wife to turn the DVD off. God, he’s awful.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
haha yup
I liked him in Adventureland – that’s the only thing I’ve seen him in.
I don’t know…must appeal to some audience somewhere…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm sorry dude
That guy’s like watching paint dry, badly.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Eh
I think he plays sensitive dorky guys pretty well. I feel like he and Michael Cera are interchangeable.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I dont hate Eisenberg as much as duck does
but think Cera does a much better job with roughly the same roles.
I don't hate the guy
I’m sure he’s a fine human being, and will make an excellent relative. I just don’t want to watch movies that he’s in.
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
and let's be clear
I’ve never met him, so I really don’t care either way.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I don't even know who that is. Should I know who that is?
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Lead character in Zombieland
You just watched that, like, a month ago!
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Oh!
Well now I know who it is, I just didn’t know his name. He is very Michael Cera-like.
Speaking of which, who of you has seen Scott Pilgrim? I found it to be very enjoyable.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Been meaning to, but havent gotten around to it
Tried to get into the books but wasnt really feeling them.
wasn't me!
I think it was johnnypops. I agree with you. I saw the trailer a few days ago and it looks like it could have some interesting elements (e.g., why do certain innovations flourish, how to people react to sudden fame, how do people attempt to take credit for it). But I really can’t tell from the trailer if it’s going to be a great or bad movie. What I can tell is that it’s not a movie version of facebook like Farmville: The Movie.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Yeah i realized as soon as i typed it that i got it wrong
For some reason you seemed like the sort of person I’d argue with about this, not sure why
I'm not sure how you make that book into a movie
But I said the same thing after reading The Blind Side. I’m guessing they may end up giving Moneyball the same treatment and just make the movie out of part of the book; which in iteself may make the movie suck.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 31, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how you make that book into a movie
It’s a success story focused on a man who used innovative strategies. Plot wise, it’s not much different than any other “rise to fame” movie.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Right
Although, but I don’t know how much they are going to be able to delve into the use of new metrics; which was a big component of Moneyball. That was my point, they are probably just going to use one of the subplots from the book and only touch on what was probably the main focus of the book. Which is exactly what they they did for Lewis’ other sports book.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 31, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Although, but I don’t know how much they are going to be able to delve into the use of new metrics; which was a big component of Moneyball.
Was it? OBP has been around for awhile. Defensive statistics weren’t around back then. Moneyball wasn’t about new metrics as much as taking existing statistics and valuing them in a way that was different from the market.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Um, no.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Decent chance one's gonna hit friday morning
If it takes the far western path, it could be pretty serious.
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 31, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Us! US!! Hey, over here!!! C'mon, no hogging-- we've had a 3-month drought, fer cripesakes!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Here I am...
rock me similarly to or in close approximation to one. Thanks.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Not it
Y’all have fun though. Remember to fill your freezer with ice and the bathtub with water for washing/flushing.
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Tiny news flash!
Koji!!! It was thrilling to see that his recent hot streak has turned him into a Type B free agent. A walking draft pick according to mlbtraderumors.com. He just needs a solid finish to the year.
(Source: Weaver’s Tantrum.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i hate my keyboard at work
That definely changes the ‘bring koji back’ calculus. I can’t see him going unsigned if we pass, so its almost puts him in the same category as Mike Gonzalez. Signing him essentially costs us a second round pick.
Yeah, I can't tell what to think now.
I’d love for Koji to be on the O’s for another year or two (or more, if he’s still good and a reasonable price). But it’s hard to argue with getting an additional draft pick…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Before hearing this,
i was ok going year to year with him, for basically however much it took to get it done (within reason), but this changes that if he is indeed a type B free agent. Now theres a cost associated with not signing him that goes well beyond a couple million dollars.
Well you gotta offer him arbitration to get the draft pick
So you offer it up and take either Koji or the pick. Either one is fine.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Well there is door number 3
where you offer arbitration, he declines, and then you have to decide whether to go after him in free agency. I have no idea how likely that is, but now that Koji’s ‘a closer,’ the market has probably gone up enough where free agency may be viable for him
The math makes it more interesting...
I mean, the most his salary can go down is 25% (right?) – so from approx. $5 mm to $3.75? He’s been worth 3 wins the past two years (assuming he doesn’t move up or down the rest of the year) so I doubt he’s going to dip below $ 4mm. Is it worth it if he accepts around that amount?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think so
I dont think +/- a couple million dollars on Koji for one season is really going to make or break this team, especially when theres the potential upside of a extra draft pick.
I'm in too...
I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Koji out of the pen (and it is amazing how many people here were calling for such a move as early as last year) so the worst case scenario is we have him back for another year. Worst case, we get a pick. Win/Win.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, worst case scenario is he comes back at a salary several times what he ends up being worth
But when the numbers you’re dealing with are say 2 million vs 5-6 million, I think those are the sort of salary risks a team with the Orioles’ payroll felixbility can afford to make. We can’t strike out on high profile free agents or waste money on people like Garrett Atkins, but a move with upside like this is feasible.
Right...
and his injury profile and lack of time on the field will work against him in the arb. hearing. I think the most likely scenario is Koji comes back at about what he’s making now, which is fine with me. If he thinks SEA or BOS or whomever will offer more, then let it be and we get a pick. If the market never materializes, we might be able to pick him back up at a discount.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 31, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't arb. rulings occasionally known to make no sense whatsoever, though?
See: Howard, Ryan
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 31, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That was an exception
Koji is not hitting 50 HR.
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Well you gotta offer him arbitration to get the draft pick
AND somebody has to sign him.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Not saying he won't sign.
As a Type B, I don’t think he’ll cost a draft pick to sign.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
LOL Britt Ghiroli on Twitter
Britt_Ghiroli 3:34pm via OpenBeak
#orioles no Jones or Roberts.
Britt_Ghiroli 3:35pm via OpenBeak
Oh my bad- Roberts is in #toomuchvacation
Britt_Ghiroli 3:43pm via OpenBeak
#orioles lineup is not up
THE_ADAM_JONES 3:44pm via Twitter for iPhone
@Britt_Ghiroli and jones is def playin. Honest mistake I see Brittany
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Though i could see Adam claiming he's 'def playin'
regardless of whether Buck is actually planning on putting him in the lineup.
Twitter has its funny moments, that's for sure.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 31, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Grr, I go to school and the open threads get better?
What gives?
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
Correlation does not imply causation.
but it might ;)
by kba26 on Aug 31, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he wasn't the only one MIA during the day
I think my self-esteemed is plummeting….
"I got a good Christian raising and a 8th grade education / Ain't no need in y'all in treating me this way." - Billy Joe Shaver
Oh hush Mr. Lawyer fancy-pants.
Buck Showalter clearly isn't interested in having Anthony Rendon as a member of the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 31, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Cue xkcd comic I can't view from work
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Less 13 year olds yapping away.
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Reimold, Snyder, and Andino will be called up tomorrow
Tillman later and maybe Kam or Sarfartey
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/08/reimold_snyder_and_andino_to_b.html
"Stick to what you know, which is nothing, and stick to your little blogs." -Rob Dibble
Andino has more HR than Snyder?!?
Wait, in more AB…their HR% and ISO are comparable. Still…WTF?
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
So it looks like I'm going to see the O's at Yankee Stadium on Labor Day.
Anybody have any advice on what I should see, or any food I should try? I’ve already been told to get there way early so I can look around Monument Park.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
make sure to sit in the bleachers and wear your O's gear.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
Oh, for sure.
I’ll be rocking an O’s cap and my Felix “Pi” Pie T-shirt.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I thought the museum was more interesting than Monument Park
Museum has autographed baseballs from many who wore the storied pinstripes, from Ruth, Berra and DiMaggio to Pavano, Dempsey, and Wang. It’s also got some of the trophies and other memorabilia. Monument Park is a bunch of people getting their picture taken next to plaques.
I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
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