Monday Bird Droppings
Recaps from yesterday's win can be found at The Sun, Orioles.com, Chicago Tribune, and MASNsports (with post-game Buck).
Orioles notebook: Cesar Izturis draws big reaction for 1,000th career hit
Cesar Izturis draws big reaction for 1,000th career hit. Left-hander Troy Patton demoted to Triple-A Norfolk; catcher Craig Tatum will take his roster spot. THE TATER'S coming back!
Orioles Insider: Guthrie has no issues with White Sox's Pierre
"Guthrie knocked Pierre down twice and hit him another time, prompting one reporter to ask Guthrie after the game whether "Something is going on with you and Juan?" Guthrie chuckled at the question and then said: "Nothing is going on between Juan and I. I am very happily married. There are no rumors."
Steve Melewski: Guthrie: "To see it happen in the last week is a great sign."
"I'm just trying to be more aggressive. That's about the only thing I can put a finger on. Throw more strikes and my goal is to walk zero guys each game and make them hit the ball." That's some pretty good goals.
School of Roch: Patton's parting words
"It's really a tough situation," he said after the Orioles optioned him to Triple-A Norfolk. "I came up here to be a long relief guy and it just happens to be the one week of the season that literally no long relief guy was needed. I wasn't needed to go in the games." Images you're an O's AAA pitcher called for long relief this summer and you don't get in because of six consecutive quality starts by O's starters. You'd be wondering if you're in the right locker room after Day 3.
School of Roch: Good and bad from Norfolk (updated)
The good? Nolan Reimold had a great day, going 4-for-5 with a double, homer, 2 RBI and four runs scored. The bad? Brandon Erbe. And boy, was it bad.
Buck Looks Good, But How About Andy ??? | Rex Snider's Blog | WNST
"Well, we’re six games into the Buck Showalter era and this Orioles team looks like a cast of players we haven’t witnessed in a very long time. Adam Jones is hustling. Felix Pie suddenly has a clue. Matt Wieters is working the count. It’s amazing what you can accomplish when a LEADER is in charge, huh?"
Beckham leaves game with groin injury | whitesox.com: News
So, at first, Gordon Beckham thought his problem was his cup pinching him (wow, does that sound unpleasant), but later figured out he had actually hurt himself.
Bobby Grich, Don Baylor relish 'forever' friendship | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle
You can forgive Bobby Grich if he cringed the first 20 times he heard Don Baylor's name. Grich was the Baltimore Orioles' first-round draft pick in 1967. Baylor was the Orioles' second-round selection. "I negotiated with them for almost a month, trying to raise my bonus," Grich recalls, "and the scouts kept using Don Baylor as a negotiating ploy. They'd say: 'We weren't even sure we wanted to draft you. We wanted to make sure we got Don Baylor.'" To which Grich replied: "Maybe you should have drafted Baylor first."
O's Notebook: Simon thriving in closing role - Carroll County Times: Orioles
Buck Showalter has said that he's not wedded to the idea of a single closer. Alfredo Simon may turn out to be ideal for the new Baltimore Orioles' manager. Simon, who earned his 17th save Sunday despite allowing a two-run ninth inning home run to Ramon Castro, has impressed Showalter.
It was Peter Angelos vs. Steve Bisciotti in latest skirmish over MASN & Ravens TV rights | WNST
“Peter didn’t like the deal once he read through it all and saw the terms,” said a MASN source. “He contended that a network should NEVER pay a team a rights fee for programming if it’s not all entirely live. So we had to go back to the Ravens and tell them we weren’t going to pay them the same fee we had provided in the past. We knew it was about to get ugly.”
AROUND THE LEAGUE
Derek Jeter passes Babe Ruth on career hit list
So, my take away thought on this is - Harold Baines had more hits than Babe Ruth?
IN THE MINORS
Tides Swept Away by Bats, 8-7 | Louisville Bats News
A franchise-record 11-game home winning streak was achieved by the Louisville Bats as they completed a sweep of the Norfolk Tides with an 8-7 win on Sunday night at Louisville Slugger Field. Catcher Corky Miller led the Bats offense as he went 3-4 with three RBI and a run scored.
Baysox Complete Conquest of New England | Bowie Baysox News
The Bowie Baysox beat the New Hampshire Fisher Cats 9-5 Sunday afternoon to wrap up their second series victory in a six-game road trip through New England. Left fielder Brandon Waring led the Baysox offense with a 3-for-5 day as he hit two home runs and recorded five RBIs.
BERNARDO BELTS FREDERICK TO 8-6 WIN | Frederick Keys News
In the series finale of the four-game series in Winston-Salem, the Keys prevailed with a two-run victory, 8-6. Frederick dominated most of the game but ran into a heap of trouble in the bottom of the seventh inning. The Dash plated five runs in the inning to cut their deficit to just one run. The Keys closed the door, however, in the final two innings as they improved to 21-21 in the second half of the season.
Flacco Lifts 'Birds to Walk-Off Win | Delmarva Shorebirds News
Neither team scored another run until the ninth inning. Gary Helmick drew a lead off walk. Then, Ty Kelly blasted a single into right field to advance Helmick to second. Kieron Pope was hit by a pitch to the load the bases. Two batters later, Mike Flacco rifled a single into right-center field to score both Helmick and Kelly to give the 'Birds a walk off 2-1 win.
IronBirds Score Five In Ninth, Beat Scrappers | Aberdeen IronBirds News
Trailing 7-3 heading into the ninth inning, the Aberdeen IronBirds scored five runs on three hits to take the lead and beat the Mahoning Valley Scrappers Sunday evening 8-7.
Bluefield lost 8-1
Six hits yielded just one run. Ain't gonna win that way.
and the GCL Orioles were off.
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the best article
Also, see the first comment on that, its priceless.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
AHAHAHA!
Yes, Koji is totally a 15 win player, or at least adding him and subtracting Berken, Hendo, and Albers would equal that.
On another note, I’d like to point a critical finger at all those who thought it would be better for the team if we had cut Koji earlier in the season and just ate his salary rather than let him continue to take a spot on the 40-man.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I get the frustration with Koji,
but yeah, I never understood the “just dump him” stuff. Yeah, he hasn’t stayed healthy — and as much as I like him, between the health issues and the amount we’d likely have to pay, it’s probably not worth re-signing him. But he’s already been worth his contract, according to FanGraphs, and he’s been good to dominant almost every time he’s pitched. If we could re-sign him for something like $2-3 mil with performance bonuses for appearances or something, I’d be up for that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Was clipped in yesterday's BD
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
for some reason i didnt see it i guess
and that comment really is what is great
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Egads!
When will people learn the difference between their and there?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 9, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Christ...
Snider is nearly as bad as Nestor.
I don’t venture over to WNST very much, but after reading that piece today, I don’t feel as though I’ve been missing anything.
So AM takes over towards the end of the 2007 season and entirely responsible for all the suck that has taken place since? Do the guys over there even know how long it takes to clean out a system? This isn’t a fucking video game, you don’t just trade away or cut guys and replace them with better talent.
Also lovely is the comment that the team “needed” veteran players. Well, I think Tejada, Millwood, Atkins, and Gonzalez all qualify as being veterans (of varying quality). How in the fuck did that work out?
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 9, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
Anytime i read an argument that ends with ".... period,"
I immediately discount everything that came before it. Also Rex Snider, learn what a ellipsis looks like. You dont just hammer out some periods until your finger gets tired.
I agree...
I also would like to add that any person that actually uses three question marks in a title like that should be banned from the written word for a month.
I know that this is the internet and all, but seriously, class that shit up.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
what???
their is no beter way to get ur point across but by that…period!!!
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I link to pieces
just for this reason. :)
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
It's just the...
hatred that seeps through to every piece of commentary. I dig snark, we have that in bunches here at CC, but the unveiled hatred for anything that comes from the Warehouse is just a bit much.
And to somehow write a piece crediting a manager who’s been here for six fucking games with being responsible for any of it is a mindfuck of epic size. Especially considering he’s winning with talent largely acquired by one Andy MacPhail.
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 9, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
this is why I never go to WNST
First of all, its been 6 fucking games. Secondly, how the hell does he think that Adam Jones, Felix Pie, and Matt Wieters got here in the first place? Thirdly, Wieters had been hitting well for the 2 weeks before he got hurt and ever since he got back from the DL, most of which was before Buck was here. Felix had all of 19 games since he got back from the DL after missing almost all of the season, which might have had an impact on how he was playing.
The team needs veteran leadership? Thats a fucking joke right? This is beyond stupid.
O's - Bucs
O’s are 2 games behind PIT for second worst. next up – CLE, TB, then SEA. PIT has SD, HOU and FLA. hmmm…..baby steps.
but but but... what about rendon?!?!?
seriously, though, anyone know whats going on with him since he broke his leg or something?
he had surgery for a broken ankle i believe
should be recovered by the start of the college season
there really is no contest
when it comes to asking “who is the worst team in baseball” the only clear answer is Pittsburgh, and I’d be shocked if the records by the end of the year don’t reflect that.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
yeah and the Pirates run-differential gives them at a legitimate argument for historically bad teams
that being said, the Pirates get to play the Astros 19 times, the O’s have to play in the AL East
and even in a weaker division
the Pirates are putting up a way worse run diff. than Bmore.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
its quite sad
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They also can't draft worth a damn
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
I hope you're joking
And I really like what the Pirates are doing. They went super-young, and as we all can attest, this is the penalty for it. But it’s not like they were doing a lot of winning with Jason Bay and Freddie Sanchez hanging around.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
I wasn't joking
Maybe they’re drafting better now, but I thought just a couple years ago that they were pretty poor at the draft.
And yeah, full on demolition and rebuilding is the only thing that they could have done to fix that team.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Has anyone else in the last 5-6 years made an impact?
Look at the B-R draft pages for PIT for the last 8 years, it’s damn near devoid of MLB statistics. Almost nobody even makes it to the bigs. That may well change over the next couple years, though.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Huntington has been in charge for less time than MacPhail and likely has an even harder job to do
Its gonna take a while for his drafts to produce any results. Tony Sanchez was a bit of a head scratcher last year, but drafting Taillon was a move in the right direction.
you gotta start with 2008 draft though
That was NH’s first draft. Also the first time they didn’t pass on the BPA.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They were terrible drafting before they got a new GM,
taking Daniel Moskos over Wieters was particularly horrific, but since then they have been very good. They supposedly have one of the larger draft payrolls in baseball now.
OK, I may be wrong about the Pirates
But did anyone else notice that they took 9 RHP in the top 10 this year? Yowza.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
such a shame
I like Neal Huntington. He’s done what he could to turn over the roster to younger players. Unfortunately, he inherited a bunch of vets with limited trade value. He did the best he could with those trades but he didn’t net any stars.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
He's done a solid job
I live in Pitt, and radio commentators still bash everything they do, but things really do seem to be improving for their young talent. His trades weren’t awe inspiring, especially compared to AM but i think their drafts have been more aggressive than ours as of late.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
At first glance,
I thought the pic was an old shot of Gary Matthews.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
“Sugar Ray Leonard can eat here on the house!”
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
by O'sFan21 on Aug 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well done
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
Whatever happened to that pitcher we traded for before the trade deadline?
"In every brave man's heart rests a lion"
-Ray Lewis
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless."
-Kenny Powers
I think that’s him. He had a 9-7 record in a AAA league when we traded for him.
"In every brave man's heart rests a lion"
-Ray Lewis
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless."
-Kenny Powers
by Zachary Beard on Aug 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pelzer was 6-9, but he was converted to a reliever recently.
Vandenhurk was 8-4 at AAA when we got him.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The it was Vandenhurk, because I remember hearing that we traded for a pitcher with a winning record, and his named escaped me. So I take it they are both in Norfolk right now?
"In every brave man's heart rests a lion"
-Ray Lewis
"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless."
-Kenny Powers
by Zachary Beard on Aug 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pelzer is still in AA
VandenHurk is in Norfolk
pitching for bowie
http://firstinning.com/players/Wynn-Pelzer-a
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 9, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one?
Rick Vandenhurk? In 2 games with Norfolk he’s thrown 12.2 innings with 12 hits, 4 ERs, 5 ks and 3 BBs. 1.184 WHIP.
Wynn Pelzer? In 3 games with Bowie he’s thrown 6 innings with 6 hits, 7 ks, 2 BBs, 1 HR.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
LF?
Left fielder Brandon Waring led the Baysox offense with a 3-for-5 day as he hit two home runs and recorded five RBIs.
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
Heh, George is a riot
“the latter award.” What on earth is the former award?
Oh and now we’re warming up Uehara. He’ll die. He will actually DIE if he pitches in this heat. -KenDixonFanClub
“Well, we’re six games into the Buck Showalter era and this Orioles team looks like a cast of players we haven’t witnessed in a very long time. Adam Jones is hustling. Felix Pie suddenly has a clue. Matt Wieters is working the count. It’s amazing what you can accomplish when a LEADER is in charge, huh?”
Oh please Rex.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
I still haven't figured out if he's being sarcastic or not
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
“It’s really a tough situation,” he said after the Orioles optioned him to Triple-A Norfolk. “I came up here to be a long relief guy and it just happens to be the one week of the season that literally no long relief guy was needed. I wasn’t needed to go in the games.” Images you’re an O’s AAA pitcher called for long relief this summer and you don’t get in because of six consecutive quality starts by O’s starters. You’d be wondering if you’re in the right locker room after Day 3.
Sucks for Patton but he’s seen major league action before with the Astros. At least bad luck didn’t prevent his major league debut.
Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.
So can we all agree that hits are not really a great indicator of performance?
And that the captain passing Gehrig and Ruth in hits means jack squat?
no, no we can't
but for us, sure, it means jack squat. Call me when he catches Harold Baines.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Jeter's actually ahead of Baines by 9 or so now.
The stat looked at over a career is a mildly interesting combination of longevity and skill. 500 homers has lost its magic but I think there’s still something a bit special about 3000 hits. Most of the notorious juicers came nowhere close, although Bonds was within 100 and of course Raffy had 3020.
That said, fuck the Yankees, anybody playing for the Yankees and anybody who ever achieved a milestone while playing for the Yankees.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 9, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well crap..that'll show me to just say things
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
If it makes you feel any better, I was about to chime in my agreement on the Baines comment.
Then I looked at B-R.com’s list and I was like, “Well, shit.”
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 9, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
at any rate
hits are still pretty important, and if I was a (gag) Yankee fan, I’d be pretty proud of Cap’n Jetes, the most storied yadda yadda yadda…
I mean, I was pretty proud of Cal on that day in the Metrodome, and a lot of people seemed to be pretty impressed that Cesar Izturis got to 1000 hits, so let the Yankees have their moment. It’ll pass.
It's a fight to the finish. That's a good place to stop.
Yeah, only 8 active guys above 2500.
And one of those is Griffey, who’s obviously not making it.
39. Jeter – 2875
46. Pudge Rodriguez – 2785
47. Griffey – 2781
49. Omar Vizquel – 2762
73. A-Rod – 2635
84. Manny Ramirez – 2553
87. Garret Anderson – 2529
88. Johnny Damon – 2527
Pudge probably needs two more seasons to get there, which I don’t know if he’ll get. Jeter and A-Rod are really the only “sure things” for 3,000 in the game at the moment.
Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 9, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ichiro might have another 825 left in the tank
Trade deadline update: Yankees acquire Alsace-Lorraine @OldHossRadbourn
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 10, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i still think 3000 is kinda cool. I prefer rate stats, but I still like the benchmarks.
I just don’t ever want to hear people use this as an excuse to compare captain intangible with Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle, etc.
There is no comparison except that Jeter is going to play a lot longer.

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