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Protecting the Young Pitchers

Could Brian Matusz be shut down for the season soon? (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

Pitching is everything in today's game. Andy MacPhail can tell you that; he just spent four years primarily building a tremendous amount of pitching depth in an effort to build a championship core rotation. And it all stands on the edge of a surgeon's knife. All it takes is five little pop sounds, and suddenly we're looking at a rotation of Adam Eatons and Kevin Millwoods for another year or two. Protecting the young pitching has to be a top priority for Buck Showalter and his staff.

Many of you are probably familiar with the great Sports Illustrated writer Tom Verducci's Year-After Effect. For those who aren't, the theory is that young pitchers who are pushed too far too quickly are at a substantially higher risk of injuring their arms or at least becoming less effective. The rule of thumb that Verducci put forth, which has been adopted by many media outlets (including former Orioles GM Mike Flanagan, who mentioned it on a recent broadcast) is that pitchers 25 and younger need to be held under 30 innings beyond their previous career high.

Verducci's rule is a nice starting place for conversation, and indeed you see young pitchers shut down before the end of the season every year in all kinds of different situations. Toronto's Brandon Morrow, who is having a splendid year, is being shut down on Friday, for example. The Yankees had their stupidly popular "Joba Rules". But the Verducci Effect doesn't stand up to a good fisking.

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For one thing, consider the arbitrariness of the endpoints. What exactly changes at age 26? Why the nice round number of 30 innings? Are all young pitchers built equally? Okay, so Tom Verducci will admit that it is just a rule of thumb and not a strict guideline. But the fact is that young pitchers aren't the only players at serious risk of needing Tommy John surgery, or of shredding their shoulders. Consider Billy Wagner, Paul Byrd, Chris Carpenter, Mike Hampton, and many others who had the surgery in their thirties.

And further, consider that an innings workload is neither an accurate estimate of the stress pitching takes on an arm (not all innings are created equal, obviously), and workload increases aren't necessarily to blame for a pitcher's lack of health or effectiveness. You can read more about the flaws of blindly believing in the Verducci Effect here. The bottom line, though, is this: pitching is an unnatural act, and we simply can't predict who will get hurt and who won't. The world is a scary, unpredictable place.

But that's not what I came to tell you about. Came to talk about the draft.

Or rather, the pitchers we've brought in primarily through the draft, with all the promise of the future in their elbows and shoulders. Right now, we have five young pitchers who all figure to pitch or be shut down in the coming weeks, rightly or wrongly. What can we expect from each of them in terms of pitching for the Orioles, or being shut down until Pitchers and Catchers?

Zach Britton is the popular kid in the minors right now. A top ten prospect with impressive numbers between AA and AAA this year (3.38 FIP in AAA) and heralded stuff, Britton undoubtedly figures into the 2011 plans, but right now he is the low man on the totem pole, and with Chris Tillman expected to be called up (and Rick VandenHurk in the mix as well) it'd be awfully hard to fit a start in for Britton. Which means Britton'll probably see one more start for the Tides and call it a very successful year.

Chris Tillman and his Odyssey of Frustration are reportedly coming back to Baltimore with the end of Norfolk's lackluster season. How he figures to get any time starting is beyond me. It will do no one any favors to move to a six-man rotation and make everyone adjust to odd time off between starts (the Orioles already have four off days in thirty games mucking things up). What I do know is that Buck Showalter needs to see Tillman start at least once just to see him, and that Chris Tillman has more than earned his spot in the rotation. It might behoove the Orioles to shutdown one of the other young pitchers soon and get young Chris in there for a start or two, shut him down and then let the brass see Troy Patton or VandenHurk or whoever else is on the docket.

This brings us, naturally, to the three guys you're most familiar with: Brian Matusz, Brad Bergesen, and Jake Arrieta. For what it's worth, Arrieta is the only one of the three who is beyond his previous career high in batters faced and innings pitched. If the rotation is left uninterrupted, Arrieta would make five more starts and the other two six more starts, so even if the Orioles follow the Verducci rule of thumb, I would think that Matusz and Bergesen could easily pitch through to the end of the season, while Arrieta would be shut down sooner.

But this is a terribly inexact science. The Verducci Effect has found a foothold in the popular conscience, but should not be taken as gospel. The scary truth is that in all probability one or more of these guys I've mentioned will get hurt, and there's absolutely nothing the Orioles can do about it. Well, nothing they can more than they already have. They've been careful - for the most part - to keep the young guns from racking up the excessive pitch counts that seemingly doomed the infamous Mark Prior and Kerry Wood duo in Chicago. They've been careful not to leave the young guns out in the game when they clearly had nothing. They've been as good to these guys as can be expected, and that's all you can really ask for.

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That is one thing they've done well

keep their pitchers from being overworked. I was just talking about Arrieta at the game last night. With is five IP yesterday he’s now just about 10 innings over last year, so if I were the O’s I’d give him two, maybe three more starts and then give him an early vacation.

Luke and Felix are good for the soul. -33

by Stacey on Sep 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Arrieta could probably go through to the end of the year

but in the effort to fit in starts for everyone they want to see start, he’d be the guy to shut down. He’s never pitched in September, he’s the most worked relative to his career at this point, and he’s also struggling the most, and probably left his razor back home.

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by Andrew_G on Sep 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, even if he could, why make him

I don’t have a firm opinion on the innings increase but I definitely believe on erring on the side of caution.

Luke and Felix are good for the soul. -33

by Stacey on Sep 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to ponder what you're sacrificing though

If you stop Arrieta and he doesn’t make two starts that he otherwise would have, is that a big deal? Could he be learning a lot of things and making a lot of adjustments in those two starts? Obviously “a lot” becomes a very relative term, but why not shut him down right now? Is four starts that much more than two starts?

...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."

by Andrew_G on Sep 2, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's kind of impossible to know

is what he might learn in two extra starts going to worth the risk of him physically injuring himself next year because he pushed it too much now?

Luke and Felix are good for the soul. -33

by Stacey on Sep 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

but why are you assuming that him pitching more now

is pushing it and increasing his risk. I know you just said you fall on the side of caution and aren’t sure, but if he’s held under 100 pitches, like he’s been held for most of the year, why are you confident that he becomes more likely to get hurt? How confident are you? And again, why not just shut him down now? Won’t he increase his risk every time he goes out and pitches?

...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."

by Andrew_G on Sep 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

too many questions :)

I assume it now because even if you don’t buy into the Verducci effect completely, there have still been plenty of instances of pitchers injuring themselves after increasing their innings by a large amount from year to year. I think that as the manager and pitching coach and whoever else is involved, you have to adjust that based on what you believe is correct, how stressful his innings have been, all that. But I think that in our current situation, which is that I think Chris Tillman should really get a few starts up here before the season ends, there is little to be lost by having Arrieta not finish the season.

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by Stacey on Sep 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support the idea of staggering innings over years

but I hate the Verducci effect. It’s been shown to be wrong and it takes something rather complicated (predicting injuries for young pitchers) and reduces it to a facile rule.

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by birdman on Sep 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I think its horseshit, I think pitch counts are more important, and measuring stressful starts. But even thats inexact as there are a bunch of warm up pitches and such. Who knows with this, its all inexact.

I’m not so sure what should be done, but Verducci seems to not be the one to follow. That could be just me though.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Sep 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's harsh

he had a theory, he sticks to it. It’s a good starting point for the conversation, but the problem is that it’s entered the popular consciousness without being proven, you know, by the facts.

...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."

by Andrew_G on Sep 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Works in theory

The idea that you have to increase your workload gradually isn’t rocket science. But the 30 inning rule and even the idea that you can put a concrete number on that increase is ridiculous. Everyone’s body is different. Some people could probably handle a full season from day 1, some people are just more likely to get hurt no matter what you do.

I like the way the O’s have handled their young pitchers’ workload(ignoring the annoying call-ups/send downs); the way the Yankees treated Joba pissed me off.

I really hope Strasburg’s injury doesn’t cause teams to get even more conservative/ridiculous with their young arms.

by JimIsBored on Sep 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I have really mixed feelings about this.

I agree that we shouldn’t push them too far beyond what they threw the year before, but I also think the 30 innings limit is stupid and arbitrary. I also think that monitoring a pitcher’s workload only protects them from the injuries that are directly related to overuse. The UCL tears for example don’t really seem to have much of anything to do with overuse – they are just a result of throwing being bad for you and the ligament not being built to withstand as much force as pitching puts on it. I tore my UCL when I was pitching the fewest innings of my entire life and the surgeon basically told me that it’s completely random when the ligament can tear – it literally can happen on any pitch. But on the other hand if it can happen on any pitch, limiting the number of innings and thus pitches they throw can’t possibly be a bad thing.

I do wonder about what they miss in terms of building strength and learning to pitch, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Hopefully even after they are shut down Buck will have them charting pitches, watching video, doing flat-grounds/long toss/towel drill/etc.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Wood and Prior

I don’t think high pitch counts doomed Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, but rather bad mechanics. Tim Lincecum’s dad stated this in a Sports Illustrated article a few years ago. He said if you cut of Mark Prior’s legs, he will still throw just as fast. His arm couldn’t take the stress, and was bound to get hurt sooner or later. The high pitch counts may have accelerated the process, but I don’t think it was the cause of their demise. I think Dusty Baker gets a lot of unfair blame for ruining their careers.

by edsachs1 on Sep 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't believe anyone that says they know about

injuries caused by pitch mechanics, there isn’t any hard evidence on the subject. Anyone who actually knows about how mechanics could affect pitcher injuries and could predict results with accuracy would be instantly snapped up by some team and become ridiculously rich. On the other hand, there is real legitimate evidence that pitch counts do have an affect on pitcher injuries, and it is much better evidence than there is for the Verducci Effect.

by Strat12 on Sep 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1141385/1/index.htm

“Studied closely, his mechanics included two severe red flags: 1) Prior lifted his throwing elbow higher than his shoulder before reaching the loaded position, increasing the stress on his elbow and shoulder; and 2) unlike Lincecum’s dynamic late torso rotation, Prior rotated his hips and torso before getting to the loaded position. With the letters of Prior’s jersey already facing the target, his arm could not simply “go along for the ride”—the ride was over, so his arm had to generate all of its own power."

“Prior is almost all upper body,” Chris Lincecum says. “You could cut his legs off and he would throw just as hard. I don’t like to put my finger on players, but I’ve been doing this a long time. I’ve said, ’He’s going to blow his elbow out’ or ‘His back will go out.’ Sure enough, it happens, including Dice-K [ Daisuke Matsuzaka], Jake Peavy, Prior…. I have a hard time enjoying the game. I’m sitting there criticizing the pitcher. It hurts to watch pitchers. Seventy percent of the pros have poor mechanics.”

by edsachs1 on Sep 2, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

as the scouts will say (I’ve heard KLaw say it a lot) guys with good mechanics still get hurt, guys with bad mechanics still have long healthy careers. Yes, Prior had bad mechanics, yes Prior was abused terribly in 2003 by the Cubs. Who knows if either or both of those things were the cause? And who knows if that even applies to Jake Arrieta or Zach Britton?

...a piece of V mail in which everything but the salutation "Dear Mary" had been blocked out and on which the censoring officer had written, "I long for you tragically. R. O. Shipman, Chaplain, U.S. Army."

by Andrew_G on Sep 2, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Pitching is very much still a mystery. Also, I wasn’t trying to compare Wood and Prior to Arrieta and Britton. I was mostly just trying to point out that Prior had bad mechanics. I see so many baseball fans blame only Dusty Baker for Prior’s injuries, when that is clearly not the only factor. I just wanted to bring Prior’s mechanics to light.

I personally hate all the Verducci effect and other abritary numbers associated with handling young pitchers. I know the Verducci effect seems to be a popular system among baseball fans. But I would hope most baseball clubs would use their resources to judge pitchers on an individual basis, to decided what they can and cannot do.

by edsachs1 on Sep 2, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to throw it out there though

Lots of incredibly well respected pitching gurus completely disagree with “Lincecum’s dad” on mechanics. Tom House is one of the most respected and he basically said that Mark Prior had the best mechanics in baseball history and was in fact mostly lower body.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 3, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhh

there are actually are certain mechanical things that make a pitcher more of less likely to get injured. Here’s a pretty interesting article about Strasburg if you’re curious:

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/baseball/pitching/professionalpitcheranalyses/StephenStrasburg.html

And the guys that are doing research in this field ARE getting snatched up by teams. A buddy of mine is a senior scout for a major league team and just wrote their bible on pitching mechanics to avoid and pitching mechanics to go after.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 3, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Dusty Baker for pitching injuries

that happen to players he doesnt even coach.

by kba26 on Sep 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Lincecum's dad knows dick about pitching.

He just thinks he does because his son is a freak of nature.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 3, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would innings be the measure in the first place?

We’ve seen some really hideous innings this year and know they are not all created equal. Has anyone looked at this so-called effect in terms of absolute number of pitches? Maybe from that, tweaking it up or down to adjust for how hard the guy throws or what kind of punishing junk etc, you could actually develop a rule of thumb with better application?

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by 33 on Sep 2, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

So what are you supposed to do when your team is contending for a playoff spot based on the arms of young pitchers??

What would be the best course of action for handling the young pitchers of a team in the same position as the Rays or yanks, where they fully intend to compete all the way through to the WS? You obviously can’t shutdown the guys who have put you in the position you are in. You just pitch them hard into innings far exceeding what they’ve pitched in the past?

How about a team like the red sox, who are very unlikely to make the playoffs, yet are still technically in contention? I think this scenario is a bit more interesting. You can’t just throw in the towel, but is it worth risking your top young pitching to chase a playoff spot that is likely going to elude you?

by VB O's Guy on Sep 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Cross that bridge when we come to it

Gotta make a value judgment about whether you’re competing for a playoff spot because you’ve built a perennial contender or if this is your shot and you need to take it.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 3, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good article

I’m not really sure what all the fuss is about though. It seems like limiting a pitcher in one form or another, by pitch counts and/or innings makes sense to me. When coming up with a “rule of thumb” there will almost always be some amount of arbitrary figures. Should it be 25, 30, 35? After watching how the Orioles developed Matt Riley, I am all for any caution, even if it is not founded on the best science.

Sorta on topic…anyone know of any study regarding relievers, their innings, and how many times they warm up in a game? Relievers are such a volatile breed, it does make one wonder if this area could even be examined in any meaningful way.

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by dfa on Sep 3, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I know

that the Orioles monitor how often relievers warm up.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Sep 3, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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