Deep Pockets Required for Success in MLB: A Decade of Data
Major League Baseball faces a stark economic conundrum: each year the disparities between the haves in the large markets and the have-nots in the smaller ones become more apparent. The players strenuously oppose a salary cap, and the owners have a wide and incompatible range of views on how to keep the game healthy.
The attempted fix of these issues, a payroll tax with "Revenue Sharing", was introduced in the late 90s. Supporters state that it has cured the game's ills. But MLB's data on year-end payrolls, stretching back to 1999, suggests otherwise.
Some background: A few weeks ago, I stumbled across an interesting year-end series being published by Maury Brown over at The Biz of Baseball. MLB had recently released 2010 year-end player payrolls for all 30 MLB clubs, and Brown was looking at the trends within each division over the past 12 years, starting with the AL East (he went on to analyze the AL West and NL Central; I haven't seen word on if/when he will finish the series).
Brown's AL East payroll graph doesn't yield many surprises:
...but it's worthwhile to look at the trends and ask what it means for the future health of the sport. For example, Brown mentions that
In 1999 the gap between the Yankees and the lowest (Rays) was $54,130,504. By 2010 that gap has grown to $141,821,775.
If baseball's economics don't change, it's easy to imagine that $141M gap widening over the next decade, perhaps to the point where a quarter of a billion dollars will separate the fat cats at the top from the hapless stepchildren at the bottom.
I hunted around the Biz's site a bit, and eventually found EOY player payroll figures for all 30 baseball clubs since 1999.
Wow. 12 years of data? That's a HUGE sample size, more figures than I'd ever seen collected in one place, and an excellent way to analyze where baseball is headed, particularly since it includes nearly all the years of revenue-sharing, which began in 1998.
I wanted to wade through that data and see where it led. As someone who (admittedly) has long been convinced that a salary cap is needed to level the playing field in baseball, I thought it would be interesting to see what correlation (if any) there was between spending money off the field and success on it.
Follow me after the jump to see what I found....
(Note: with all images below, you can click the graph to enlarge.)
The first question for me was obvious: What's it look like if we chart a team's won-loss record against its payroll? Whenever I get into a discussion about how high-payroll teams are successfully buying pennants, there's always someone who says, "Look at the Twins! Look at the A's! They prove you can do it with less payroll!"
What they actually prove is that every rule has its exception.
If you look closely at the graph, there are four quadrants: clockwise from upper left, they are teams winning with a low payroll, teams winning with a high payroll, teams losing with a high payroll, teams losing with a low payroll.
If you're a GM, you'd most want to be in the upper-left quadrant: winning at bargain prices. Alas, the only two teams solidly in that quadrant are the A's and Twins (the Indians and Jays creep over the line near the center of the graph). The worst place to be is in the lower-right quadrant: losing while spending a lot. Again, only a couple of teams show such blatant mismanagement: the Cubs and the Tigers.
For the most part, however, the majority of MLB teams follow a general trend: more money equals more success.
Of the 15 teams with the highest payrolls, 11 have winning records over the past 12 years. Of the 15 teams with the lowest payrolls, 11 have losing records over the past 12 years. If you want to make the case that it's all about shrewd front offices, then essentially you're indicting a whole lot of GMs (who happen to have less money at their disposal) as incompetent, while lauding a whole lot of GMs (who happen to have more money at their disposal) as the best and the brightest. We can all snicker about the Yankees' abilities to pay Carl Pavano $40M to ride the pine, but when you see the bigger picture, you have to conclude that they're not the only ones who can effortlessly absorb contracts that would bankrupt a club like the Royals or Pirates. This is, quite frankly, an unfair advantage which has nothing to do with being shrewd and everything to do with ability to assume risks.
Just to highlight the notion that more money virtually guarantees more success, look at the shape of the scatter graph with no labels or axes:
It can't be disputed that there is a pattern, and the pattern points to a direct correlation between higher spending and wins. Sure, there are a few outliers, but 24 of 30 teams (80% of them) fall right into the shape.
"Well," say the proponents of keeping things the way they are, "nearly every team has been to the playoffs in recent memory." And they're right....to a point. But is that how we want to measure success? By going to the playoffs, say, once every twelve years?
This graph represents the number of years, out of the past 12, that a team has appeared in the postseason:
Again, we see a familiar pattern.
There are 8 playoff spots per year. Over a period of 12 years, that's 96 slots for the post season. In a league of 30 teams that had competitive balance, you'd expect each team to go make it to the postseason in 3.2 of the twelve years, or rounding down, about a quarter of the time.
In actuality, only 4 of the 15 low-payroll teams went that often. Meanwhile, 10 of the 15 higher-payroll teams exceed the average, and another two of them equal it. You have to actually count down to the 10th-highest payroll (the Mariners) before you find a team that was below average in appearances.
As the graph illustrates, out of 96 available postseason slots, 70 are filled by higher-payroll teams, approaching three times the number filled by the lower payroll teams.
But the Athletics! The Twins!!
Yes, yes, they are the outliers again. And it has often been suggested that the A's win so often because Billy Beane is truly craftier at this game than most, and the Twins win because they're in a crappy division.
Let's face it: Division structure has to be factored in at some point. We can all agree that the Orioles' front office has had major competency problems over the past decade, but how do you explain the plight of the hapless Blue Jays? Similar payroll to the Orioles, shrewdly spent to produce a winning record over the past 12 years..... yet they are the only team over .500 for the decade to have zero playoff appearances.
Back to the Twins and Athletics. If success is truly tied to payroll, then we would expect these guys to make the playoffs often, but then fail once they're there.
So here's a final chart, which shows playoff winning percentage over the past 12 years:
Surprise! It's obvious that Minnesota and Oakland, with 11 playoff appearances between, have consistently found the horses that will deliver them to the promised land of postseason play. But it is just as clear that those same horses give out when they cross the border. Both teams have overall losing records in the playoffs, with the Twins being particularly outclassed. In 6 years of going to the playoffs since 1999, they have only advanced past the first round once. In their last 3 appearances, they were swept, and over their past 5 appearances, they are 2-19. Meanwhile, in their 5 appearances, the A's bowed out in the first round 4 times. The one year they advanced to the LCS (2006), they were swept in Round 2.
We always hear that "the postseason is a crapshoot", and to some degree it is. But the dice are still loaded in favor of teams who can afford to bulk up for baseball's stretch run every August.
Moving past the Twins and A's, there actually are only two teams with below-average payrolls who have a winning record in the postseason over the past 12 years: the Marlins, with their lone Cinderella run in 2003, and the Rockies, who squeak into a positive record because of their early rounds in 2007 (which offsets their eventual sweep at the hands of Boston and their LDS loss to Philly two years later). Apart from these two, the playoffs have been overwhelmingly dominated by 7 mid- to large-market teams: the White Sox, Tigers, Giants, Phillies, Mets, Red Sox, and Yankees. It's all well and good that "25 teams have made the playoffs in the last 12 years" but 15 of those teams have losing records when they get there.
In closing, one last point regarding "revenue sharing", which was supposed to "provide competitive balance" to the game.
It has done nothing of the sort.
There have been 13 World Series since revenue sharing was introduced in 1998, with a total of 26 available slots for teams. With a 30-team league, on average, almost every team should get into a Series once over that stretch, with a few remaining teams being "due."
In reality, the 8 top payrolls above (Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Cubs, Angels, Braves, Phillies) account for fully half of those 26 slots. The other 13 appearances are taken up by an additional 11 teams (the Cardinals, Giants, Tigers, Astros, Rangers, D-Backs, White Sox, Rockies, Padres, Rays, and Marlins). That looks a little more balanced until you realize that 7 of those teams (the first seven listed) have a payroll at or above the league average. So in summary, since revenue sharing was introduced, a team with payroll below the league average has only appeared in the Fall Classic 4 out of a possible 26 times. That's a record of .154, which doesn't even approach the Mendoza line.
I understand that a salary cap will not be easy to attain. But I think the MLBPA could be wooed with a higher league minimum and a solid salary "floor" that requires teams to put revenue back onto the field. I worry that another decade like the past one will lead to MLB's diminished popularity in the smaller markets, and in the long run that will hurt the game far more than a cap on payroll.
Further reading of potential interest:
Baseball's Losing Formula (Michael Lewis, NY Times)
Baseball's Big-Market Teams Catching up to Low-Market Teams in Intelligence (John Romano, St. Petersburg Times)
My spreadsheet (Excel), in case you want to crunch your own numbers.
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Lots of good stuff in here, zk
although I suspect that given the wide time-frame involved, what’s being shown is more that high payroll teams have either no or considerably smaller rebuilding periods, while the rest of the organizations need to re-enter that process relatively often, and it is inherently a tricky process (rebuilding, that is) with no guarantees of leaving it.
And of course no team has yet proven the ability to remain out of rebuilding without a high payroll (that is, brains being able to be equivalent to financial brawn)…well, except for the Twins and the A’s, but as you said, they have circumstances that make it easier for them to remain viable than, say, the Blue Jays or the Nationals.
But in the end I don’t think this matters all that much. There’s never going to be a salary cap, and that’s just a fact that we all need to accept.
"The older I get the more I have come to believe that we can make such a difference by showing just a little bit of zeal, doing a little bit more, showing just a bit more of our spirit." -JoePo
There’s never going to be a salary cap, and that’s just a fact that we all need to accept.
You base this statement on what, exactly?
Salary caps in the other major sports came because of runaway costs, lack of competition, and player vs. owner animosity. Baseball has had its share of all of these over the years , and will again.
Donald Fehr is gone, so perhaps more reasonable minds can prevail. When the player’s association realizes that the inevitable 4- to 6-team contraction will eliminate a few hundred jobs among their ranks, they might see the light.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The players are making more money than ever
and the owners are making more money than ever. Michael Weiner, the new head of the union, is just as opposed to the salary cap as Fehr was. The only incentive to bring in a salary cap (and a corresponding floor, which I think is a bad idea anyway) is to promote more parity in an effort to make more money, but I would think that a) everyone in charge of the game is pretty happy with their profits that they don’t consider parity to be a fan issue, and b) there are other steps between here and a cap that could promote more parity if more parity is what they want (like, a balanced schedule or doing away with the divisional format).
"The older I get the more I have come to believe that we can make such a difference by showing just a little bit of zeal, doing a little bit more, showing just a bit more of our spirit." -JoePo
I don't see a salary cap happening anytime soon either
The player’s union is too powerful and I don’t think contraction could be used effective leverage because there’s no way MLB will contract teams at this point.
Spewing negativity.
today? no.
within the next decade? absolutely.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'd buy Rays hats within the next 5 years
Because 10 years from now, I don’t think they will be making new ones.
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by duck on Jan 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is the attendance really that bad?
I mean, in the playoffs the seats looked pretty empty, but how empty do seats have to be for a team to…go under?
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Attendance...
Montreal Expos’ last 5 years per-game avg attendance – 10, 285
Tampa Bay Rays’ last 5 years per-game avg attendance – 20, 515
Still a ways to go I’d say, but probably getting there unless they build a stadium in a half-decent location.
or unless they build a half-decent stadium
I hear they have one in the works though so I’m not worries if I’m a Rays fan.
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 12, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The players are making more money than ever
and the owners are making more money than ever.
What’s the saying I’m looking for? It’s always quietest right before the storm?
With the dominance going on by the NFL right now and increasing fan frustration over the situation in MLB, it’s inevitable for those trends to reverse. How long do Pirates fans keep going to games when they’re losing year in and year out? Or Nationals fans? Royals? Or even our beloved O’s? What about when the Rays run out of luck and/or money to keep winning?
It’s a beast that feeds itself, a never ending cycle. Teams lose because they don’t have enough money, yet they don’t have enough money because they keep losing. Small market teams in sports can make plenty of money, if Green Bay can support one of the most successful franchises in sports, so can Kansas City. Pittsburgh’s NFL team has plenty of money and support, they could do the same in MLB if the playing field was equal.
As the article stated, the gap between the big boys and the small guys has grown dramatically in the past decade, and will only continue to do so over the next decade. Do you really think the Yankees, who will continue to become richer and richer, won’t keep on buying every free agent possible? At what point does that stop? They can afford 250 million a year with ease. Who’s to say they don’t go to 500 million, with other teams still in the 50-75 range? If that’s not unfair, I don’t know what is.
I wouldn't call Pittsburgh a small market anymore, for the record.
“Steelers” is an outdated term now. A lot of Pittsburgh is highly educated technical professionals.
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Fair enough
I guess because of the Pirates I think of it as a tiny, moneyless town. It is actually the 22nd largest urban market in the U.S. That susprised me. You always hear about (Pittsburghians?) the locals fleeing to Baltimore/Philly etc for job opportunities, but I guess that’s just a myth, because their unemployment rate is actually below state and national averages.
The more you know
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When the steel industry relocated years ago, Pittsburgh was pretty moneyless for a while.
Then, people made Pittsburgh into a tech-centered city and educated professionals started flocking there. It’s pretty flourishing now. That doesn’t mean their baseball team is any good, though.
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That doesn’t mean their baseball team is any good, though.
So true. I just thought the city was less populated and therefore had less income than is actually true. But, I think the point remains true that almost any market can support an NFL team because of parity, salary cap, etc, while the structure of MLB makes it much harder, or in some cases impossible, for those same cities to support a franchise in MLB.
But when is it going to happen?
I think it will happen eventually, but the Yankees continue to bring in revenue for baseball when they overspend on every big-time free agent, and i don’t think Selig would give in.
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Great Work!
That is an impressive use of charts. Thank you for posting.
A vast payroll MLB payroll helps a GM build a winner. I think there are very few people who argue otherwise. I certainly believe a big payroll is a significant factor in predicting wins. If i were to conduct a statistical correlation between winning and payroll size, I would be shocked if I didn’t find a significant effect that was substantial in size. In that sense, I think this article is spot on. But I think a graphing of wins and payroll really obscures other factors that would drastically reduce the initial effect size in the aforementioned correlations analysis. For one, the graphs are a bit ahistorical in that it cover a wide range of years when are there are important historical differences within the analyzed time period. The Rays, for example, have been managed quite differently depending on the time period. But the graph obscures this fact by placing the Rays in the lower right quadrant. Also, the payroll structure of teams has drastically changed between 2000 and 2010 (the very first chart illustrates this nicely). As a result, where you draw the X-axis ($77.2M in these charts) could change drastically depending on the year. This raises another issue of where is the appropriate spot to draw the quadrants. For example, given the rising the payrolls of teams, I could reasonably draw the X axis to the $90M spot to better reflect the wealth in baseball today versus 10 years ago, and, as a result, move a lot more teams to the upper, left quadrant. I think this raises another problem in that the average payroll has two major outliers (the Red Sox and Yankees who routinely pay the luxury tax), thus skewing the average payroll figure. In this case, it might be better to use the median rather than the mean to eliminate the effect of outliers. In addition, I think it would helpful to break up the analysis by two or three years chucks to make the analysis more historical.
Overall, I think Z makes an important point: ML payroll matters. But there are important factors as well like GM competency, farm system health, money spent the draft and international amateurs and other factors which are very important as well. And I think graphs illustrating the effect of one variable obscures this fact.
Spewing negativity.
a couple of quick notes
- Choosing to redraw the quadrants based on subjective impressions of how finances have changed over the years ("I could reasonably draw the X axis to the $90M spot to better reflect the wealth in baseball today versus 10 years ago ") skews the data. It’s not about where the teams are today, its about an overall trend.
- When I did the analyses, I tried throwing out the top and bottom teams, and the top 2 and bottom 2 teams to negate the effect of the outliers. But the average barely moved. And the median average would be exactly the same place on the chart as it is now: halfways between the 15th and 16th teams. Furthermore, getting rid of the outliers is in and of itself skewing the data. The outliers are a significant source of the problem.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Choosing to redraw the quadrants based on subjective impressions of how finances have changed over the years ("I could reasonably draw the X axis to the $90M spot to better reflect the wealth in baseball today versus 10 years ago ") skews the data. It’s not about where the teams are today, its about an overall trend.
Yes, but my point is where is the fair point to draw the y and x axises? And I don’t think the decade average is fair. But, at the same time, IMO there really isn’t a fair number if you’re looking at the entire decade.
And the median average would be exactly the same place on the chart as it is now: halfways between the 15th and 16th teams.
I may not be understanding this sentence correctly, but the median would yield the same figure as the average (“exactly the same place on the chart,”)?
Furthermore, getting rid of the outliers is in and of itself skewing the data. The outliers are a significant source of the problem.
Yeah, but in this particular case, I think finding the central point of the data distribution is the point of the exercise, not measuring payroll inequality accurately.
Spewing negativity.
Why is the decade average unfair?
That’s the general time frame being examined. That’s when the payrolls have exploded.
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because the historical context is ignored.
As quoted above, “In 1999 the gap between the Yankees and the lowest (Rays) was $54,130,504. By 2010 that gap has grown to $141,821,775.” It’s the most fairest number but that doesn’t mean it’s a fair number.
Spewing negativity.
there's no "fair" or "not fair"
it is just a number. it’s a fact. the average takes into account the fact that the yankees were closer to the rays ten years ago AND the fact that they’re not now.
re: your median comment above. The median is shown on the graph. It would normally be the payroll of the team smack in the middle of all the salaries. Since there are 30 teams, the median is the average between the two middlemost, which are the D-Backs and Whites Sox. That’s where the blue line is on the graph, ergo the blue line is the median, and it’s right next to the actual average which is the green line. So the Yankees and Red Sox are not skewing the data anywhere near as much as you think they are.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
there’s no “fair” or “not fair”
That’s fine. But there is a payroll average number used affects which teams end up in which quadrant. And the decade average obscures a ton of historical changes within that period (e.g., like I said, the Rays come directly to mind when looking at that chart because they are team winning at bargain prices but the fact is obscured because the data doesn’t account for periodicity). It’s very possible that the number of teams in the upper left quadrant has changed drastically in the last decade, but the data is obscuring this. Whether or not that number is fair or not fair, I’ll leave up to the reader.
re: your median comment above. The median is shown on the graph. It would normally be the payroll of the team smack in the middle of all the salaries. Since there are 30 teams, the median is the average between the two middlemost, which are the D-Backs and Whites Sox. That’s where the blue line is on the graph, ergo the blue line is the median, and it’s right next to the actual average which is the green line. So the Yankees and Red Sox are not skewing the data anywhere near as much as you think they are.
Ah yes, my bad, the mean is pulled toward the outliers a bit but it’s not a bad measure of central tendency in this case.
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The Rays are team winning at bargain prices
for all of three years out of 12.
If they continue to do it, this same study five years from now would put them in a different quadrant.
The only way to make 4 objective quadrants is to use the average of payroll and the average of winning.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The Rays are team winning at bargain prices
for all of three years out of 12.
Sure, but that’s point, that there may be period effects.
"They told me you had grit and that is why I came for you."
but that's MY point
the rays winning for 3 years out of 12 doesn’t show you can consistently win with low payroll. it shows you can win 1/4 of the time with low payroll. if they can keep it up, the graphs will start to look different.
I’m sure if you analyze other teams, you’ll see other brief periods of success due to “noise” and luck and whatnot (the rockies come to mind). but over the long term, nobody with low payroll is winning consistently save for the As and Twins.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
sure, we're talking past each other at this point
You’re talking about data that looks like at entire decade aggregated. I prefer year by year data because aggregate data ahistorizes the period. In other words, it doesn’t capture period changes within that aggregate time frame.
but over the long term, nobody with low payroll is winning consistently save for the As and Twins.
Well, the Jays and Indians are technically in the upper left hand corner. Not sure where to classify the White Sox since they’re on the border. In any case, in looking at the chart, the Yanks, Braves, Cards, and Red Sox are very successful winners with high payrolls. Then you have a bunch of mid market teams and two high payroll teams who are playing around .525 ball. Then you have the poor Cubs. So winning consistently is hard period irrespective of payroll. But yes, the data above does show, it is easier with more money.
"They told me you had grit and that is why I came for you."
overall,
and i guess what i’m saying is that i would love to see this analysis done by year by year because i suspect, although i wouldn’t be surprised at all if i’m wrong, payroll has become less important in predicting wins as the decade has progressed.
"They told me you had grit and that is why I came for you."
i don't have time to do it right now,
but the spreadsheet linked at the bottom has every payroll figure for every team dating back to 1999.
it wouldn’t take a whiz to sort those by year and maker 12 individual graphs. Be my guest. :)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
*wiz
ugh. “take a whiz”? ugh.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
i'm already swimming in a pool of excel sheets
but i wish somebody would pay me to do that!
"They told me you had grit and that is why I came for you."
Payroll matters...
…but there’s no sense in spending until you have a decent core. Even the Yankees had a core of homegrown guys before they started spending like mad.
You can’t outspend the Yankees. Baltimore probably can’t outspend the Sox either. But if you have a functional farm system, this team could spend $125-150 mil in payroll and be right there with these teams. The farm matters most for the Orioles to succeed. The fan base is strong enough to support higher payrolls…but only when the team is ready to win. Still not sure we’re there yet.
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It's not just about the Orioles succeeding
It’s about not having success in the sport to directly tied to payroll.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
This post wasn't really about the O's, right?
It was about the correlation between payroll and success, or lack thereof.
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well, I still think that showing
simply that payroll is a factor in sustained success does not say that all success is reliant entirely (which you aren’t saying here I don’t think) or evenly mostly upon payroll. There is a ton of noise even in the simple winning percentage versus payroll over ten years, and a lot of other factors besides just money pumped into the major league team to take into account.
"The older I get the more I have come to believe that we can make such a difference by showing just a little bit of zeal, doing a little bit more, showing just a bit more of our spirit." -JoePo
This
I was using the O’s as an example (poorly) but there’s much more to winning than buying free agents. Even in 2009, Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, Posada, Soriano, Cabrera, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson, even Joba were key pieces to that championship. It helps that the Yanks can spend enough to keep those guys around year after year but they still built a core and continue to replentish (especially the bullpen) with guys from their farm system. There’s more to it than a big checkbook. Correlation is fine but there are a ton of other factos built into the success of the Yankees. This goes double for the Red Sox.
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by DempseysArmy on Jan 12, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
of course, to what both of you said
you can draw your own conclusions.
success is built on many things. however the overall pattern shows a direct correlation to payroll. that’s a fact, not really up for debate.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I guss the only real point I'm making
is that if you are saying “look at this data, this proves that money is the reason for success” then I’m saying “you’re totally oversimplifying here to try to prove a point that you yourself admit you went into the experiment trying to prove”. Yes, money matters. Proven. But hardly the end of the story.
"The older I get the more I have come to believe that we can make such a difference by showing just a little bit of zeal, doing a little bit more, showing just a bit more of our spirit." -JoePo
I don't think I said anywhere money is the *only* thing.
And i didn’t go into the “experiment” trying to prove it either. I went in with a belief that a salary cap would improve baseball.
The figures don’t lie. There was no way for me to twist them to do my bidding. I simply placed them on a series of graphs. Those graphs shows a clear correlation between payroll and success.
They don’t preclude other variables which also contribute. They don’t include other years. They simply illustrate that, for the last 12 years, the highest payroll teams had the most success, with one or two exceptions, and the lowest payroll teams had the least success, with one or two exceptions. Fact. Indisputable. Draw your own conclusions as to what those facts mean for the future of baseball.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
No one can measure anything without their pre-defined beliefs playing a role
Recent meta-studies in medicine have shown that even double-blind large-group studies (the gold standard of medical studies) tend to reach a conclusion that supports a scientist’s pre-existing beliefs.
I’m not accusing you of deliberate number-skewing (in fact, I largely think you didn’t skew them), but let’s see the same data over the last 20 years, and 5 years, let’s see how the numbers look as a trend rather than an amalgamation. If someone came in to do all the hard work you did with the preconceived notion that the current system was improving things, they could probably make that case as well.
Payroll matters…
…but there’s no sense in spending until you have a decent core. Even the Yankees had a core of homegrown guys before they started spending like mad.
The Yankees could have every “core” player (or every player period) on their roster suffer a career ending injury today and because of their money, acquire free agents and make trades to get them back to 100 wins in less than 3 years.
You can’t outspend the Yankees. Baltimore probably can’t outspend the Sox either. But if you have a functional farm system, this team could spend $125-150 mil in payroll and be right there with these teams. The farm matters most for the Orioles to succeed. The fan base is strong enough to support higher payrolls…but only when the team is ready to win. Still not sure we’re there yet.
I know we aren’t arguing fairness, as the situation in MLB is obviously not fair to many, many teams. But how does Major League Baseball allow itself to get to a point where some teams have to do significantly more than other just to have a chance at competing with them? If the O’s/Rays/Pirates/Royals, etc. don’t make the exact right draft choices and exact right personnel moves at the exact right times all the time, they don’t have a chance to even make the playoffs, let alone compete when they get there.
Great article and it looks even worse if you go back a few more years.
According to BaseballChronology.com in 1995, 1996, and 1997 the Orioles were #2 in payroll. In 1998 the Os outspent the yankees for #1 and in 1999 we dropped to 5th with a payroll of $75mm and still outspent our 2010 payroll by $2mm. I know we were under .500 every year except for 96 and 97 but at least those years we didn’t make the playoffs we were semi competitive. I find it hard to believe that ownership can’t find a substantial bit more money to spend in 201x than they spent in 1999 especially givem revenue from MASN.
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by Emperor Lrrr on Jan 12, 2011 3:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ok
but, spend more money on what? (or who?) Which players would you throw more money at in an effort to entice them to come to Baltimore? I don’t think the problem is lack of money, I think it is that the players don’t want to come to Bmore unless there is a decent chance the team can win. Or that we don’t want to overpay mediocre players……..
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Not saying it would have immediately righted the ship...
And it is definitely easy to waste money on the wrong players. However, we haven’t spent money on major league talent and it is obvious we haven’t used the money to build better scouting and player development. If you aren’t going to spend the money there is no point in saying but they were wasting in on mediocre players. Use the money for something and if doesn’t work try a different tact. Don’t just string me along for 12 seasons letting the budget stagnate and say we can’t compete financially. If the ownership could spend $65mm in 1997, then they should be able to put at least $100mm into payroll in 2010 and be more competitive on the free agent market.
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by Emperor Lrrr on Jan 12, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
This really is excellent stuff, zk
One of the things that hasn’t really been articulated fully in the comments here is that if the Orioles are going to turn into a viable team in the next few years, their payroll is necessarily going to have to go up (or they will have to go back into rebuilding). That’s going to be either through arbitration raises, extensions, or more free agent signings.
That leads back to one of the things I’ve been saying in that if our young talent does not start to turn into major league production, they are still going to become very expensive very quickly, which means that the decision time of going back into rebuilding or elsewise is coming up on us soon.
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Aye.
If not, you do a fire sale a la Florida Marlins. Which is not a bad model for us given the current climate – build up the core, add the FA pieces, contend, WIN, trade everybody off to rebuild the core again. Honestly we almost have to do it this way. We can’t keep up with two @$200M juggernauts in the same division.
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great analysis zachary … is really puts the yankees out on planet yankee, where they belong
and also … poor cubs
it make me think of a baseball question i’ve long pondered:
does team revenue tend increase with team payroll?
only a few people know, and they ain’t saying.
on the Cubs
I think the Mets will be joining them shortly. the real question is; does anybody care?
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 12, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
thanks.
does team revenue tend increase with team payroll?
hahahahaha. Not with the small market teams. For them, revenue increases with less payroll thanks to the sharing plan.
unless you’re only counting the gate as revenue, in which case, i think it depends on the market.
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Revenue Sharing
Guaranteed money for losers:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_sheehan/08/25/pirates.finances/index.html
This quote makes me believe a salary cap is nowhere in the near future.
MLB pays less to its players as a percentage of revenues than does any major sports league. Overall spending on players, as a percentage of revenues, has fallen.
The solution Sheehan discuses seems far unlikely. It assumes that owners want to level the monetary field and increase competition. The beneficiaries of the current system would have no interest in that.
The dichotomy here is fans expect teams to try to win in the W-L column, as they equate success with wins. The owners use a different metric, and they’re doing pretty well at making money. Nothing will change as long as there is significant money to be had.
that's a great article,
and really illustrates the issues with revenue sharing.
this quote is completely flawed though:
The top end of player salaries has barely moved in a decade; Alex Rodriguez signed a deal for $23 million a season in 2000, and other than his subsequent bigger contract, the top end in terms of average annual value is just $25 million a decade later.
A-Rod’s deal in 2000 was a phenomenal outlier, and nobody else was anywhere near it. Ten years later, his contract averages $27M annually, and there are at least a dozen players making what he made in 2000, whereas back then none of them was close.
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Cool breakdown
Nothing earth-shattering in terms of conclusions drawn, but the graphs due illustrate your key points well.
Unfortunately, as compelling as this data may look to a group of Orioles fans about why MLB needs a salary cap, I don’t see it happening. Interest in baseball is declining rapidly and the only time the playoffs get good ratings is when the Yankees and Red Sox are involved. A salary cap would drastically reduce the chances of these key big-market teams making the postseason and thus will never be implemented IMO.
Reforms
I will just say that I think that the luxury tax system can be reformed before more drastic steps like a salary cap are taken.
One obvious example that everyone has always said — and it’s ridiculous that this is not in place — is that luxury tax recipients must place that money directly into payroll, scouting, international recruiting, etc. Obviously, there could be some book-cooking done with this, but some well-crafted rules about a team’s total profitability relative to its luxury tax receipts and expenses could do the trick.
This would not instantly bring parity to the league, but it would swing your charts above into a more gentle curve, by forcing the Marlins and Pirates of the world to put out a slightly less embarrassing team every year. Does that solve parity in the league? Probably not all by itself. But it should be attempted to see the results before we take a larger step.
Another step, more radical than the one above but less radical than a salary cap (maybe?) is that if a team doesn’t make the playoffs (or break .500, or achieve some other meaningful milestone) for 10 years, the owner should be forced to sell — possibly at some maximum value over his original investment.
of course...
as long as bud selig or someone w/ an ownership interest is commish, the likelihood of any meaningful reform seems remote.
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by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
One obvious example that everyone has always said — and it’s ridiculous that this is not in place — is that luxury tax recipients must place that money directly into payroll, scouting, international recruiting, etc.
Another problem is that the Red Sox are waiting to sign off on big extensions until after the season starts to game the luxury tax a bit. They did that with Beckett and people are alleging the same with A-Gon.
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