Let's make unwarranted assumptions and discuss meaningless hypotheticals

by punkrawka on Jan 3, 2011 9:42 AM EST

Unwarranted assumption: Alfredo Simon will not play baseball in 2010. This has no basis in fact, and I certainly hope that it turns out to be false (meaning I hope that Simon was not involved in the shootings, not that he just gets off the hook if he was involved).

Meaningless hypothetical: The Orioles traded for Jason Bartlett instead of J.J. Hardy.

The apparent reason the Orioles balked on trading for Jason Bartlett was the Rays asking price of both Reimold and Simon. If Simon doesn't play baseball this year, his inclusion becomes essentially meaningless, which means that we would have gotten Bartlett for Reimold straight up.

The general consensus (which I agreed with) was that the Orioles did better to go for Hardy, giving up two minor-league relievers for Hardy instead of two major-league (or at least near-major-league) pieces for Bartlett.

So -- if Simon doesn't play this year, would you rather have had the Orioles make the Bartlett deal and keep the two relief prospects, or do you still prefer the Hardy deal? It probably boils down to whether or not you are a Reimold believer anymore.

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Still a Reimold believer.

But he does have to prove this season that ‘09 wasn’t just a fluke.

Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks

by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 3, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions

I still prefer the Hardy deal

It’s unlikely Brett Jacobson and Jim Hoey will ever amount to anything substantial while Reimold still has the potential to be that. Plus I think Hardy is a better player and one that I’d be interested in having on the team past 2011 if it works out.

I guess I simply am awash in ignorance of Alfredo Simon. -James F

by Stacey on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions

Hardy vs. Bartlett

In a vacuum, it’s hard for me to say who I’d rather have. Their fielding stats seem pretty similar and their career hitting stats are both all over the map. Bartlett is only one season off of his last very good offensive season, whereas Hardy is two — but Hardy had two of them and Bartlett only had one.

I guess it probably does all come down to what we had to give up — and I’m probably glad we gave up two minor-league relievers as opposed to Reimold. But if Simon really does become a non-factor it does make it a little bit less obvious.

by punkrawka on Jan 3, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

Not even close

for a one year shortstop rental, I still want to give up two minor league pitchers instead of five years of Nolan Reimold. It doesn’t even matter who the rental is.

"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 3, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions

also consider that removing simon from the deal

actually makes the deal worse for us. getting rid of him was the best part about it.

by Luke E on Jan 3, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions

Let's not forget the butterfly effect...

if he was traded to the Rays, a million tiny variations in his personal timeline might have prevented him from being in the situation that lead to this alleged crime.

Of course my theories on social science are derived mainly from Ashton Kutcher and Jeff Goldblum roles, but if the entertainment industry has taught me anything, it’s that changing one thing in the past has drastic consequences on the present.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Jan 4, 2011 6:24 AM EST reply actions

I like the trade we made.

I’m a big Reimold believer. I’m NOT a Pie supporter. Felix has had his shot and has not delivered. He’s better than he was, but still does not hit for power or steal bases. What good is his speed? Anyway, Reimold id healed and if his head is out of his butt, he is the left fielder. Pie should have been traded to someone who needs a CFer, but now should be the Orioles 4th OFer. In the meantime, I don’t think the Orioles have a decent plan “B” for the leadoff spot. Bartlett could have done that and Hardy can’t. Overall, though, I like the trade they made. Hardy is a huge upgrade over Izturis.

by fuddnelson on Jan 4, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions