Why doesn't Andy MacPhail like us?
It's been common knowledge in Birdland for weeks that Andy MacPhail is all but gone as the Orioles President of Baseball Operations. There is all kinds of talk about if Buck Showalter will take over, or if not him, who? But one question that I really haven't seen asked yet is: Why?
It's obvious to us why MacPhail should be gone. In over four seasons as the man in charge, the Orioles have not improved. MacPhail has made some good moves in his time here, but they weren't enough and they were counteracted by his bad decisions. Much has been made of his reluctance to invest more in international scouting, he hasn't earned any points with his ridiculous bullpen signings, and while the minor league system got a bump a few years ago, it's again looking pretty depleted.
So it makes sense to me why Andy MacPhail needs to go, but by all accounts Peter Angelos wants MacPhail to say. Angelos, MacPhail, and Showalter met on Thursday for hours, but nothing has been released as a result of those talks. But what we do know is that MacPhail's departure appears to be entirely MacPhail's choice. If he wanted to keep plugging away, Angelos would have no problem with that.
We won't ever know exactly why MacPhail wants to step down. But here are a few theories:
- He's unhappy. Sure, there are only 30 GM jobs in the entire country, which is why the Orioles will have a number of options despite the fact that they are a horrible, horrible baseball team with a reputation for having one of the most incompetent owners in professional sports. But even with the exclusivity of the job and the high profile of those filling it, if MacPhail doesn't enjoy doing the job, what's the point? It might be an answer the borders on silly due to its simplicity, but who among us doesn't know what it's like to be in a job that, while there isn't anything wrong with it, we just hate getting up in the morning and having to do it?
- He doesn't think he can keep up in the American League East. When MacPhail came on board he was heralded for leading the Twins to two World Series wins, but that was almost twenty years ago. The baseball world was different then, and nowhere are the changes apparent than in the AL East. I know that we get tired of hearing about the differences in the AL East, but the truth is the it's home to the richest teams and the smartest teams, and it's a huge task.
- Peter Angelos won't let him do the job the way that he wants. The party line for years has been that Angelos took a step back when MacPhail arrived and stop meddling so much. Is it true? Who knows. But even if MacPhail thinks he can do the job, if Angelos has put parameters on his job that make it impossible for him to do his job, why would he want to stay? This is one theory that many people will believe, and it's also the one that's the most depressing.
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My guess would be..
at some point, you look at all the stalled pitching, the free agent signings that didn’t work, and the sheer bad luck surrounding this team and think, “You now, even I can’t fix this” and walk away.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I think there are a lot of organizational issues,
I mean, before the Orioles hired Showalter, the manager wasn’t allowed to hire his own coaches. Why? The Orioles switched the responsibilities of the Brothers Stockstill. How weird is that? My hunch, and it’s entirely that, is that Angelos valued loyalty over accountability. He was loyal to Crowley and Thrift and the Stockstills, and even Flanny really, when it was clear their performance didn’t warrant the positions they held.
Regardless of who is hired, I have zero reason to believe that the Orioles will even be looking for the right attributes.
I really don’t think MacPhail wants to resign. I don’t think Francona wanted to resign. Both have golden parachutes though.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Brothers Stockstill may have a point
With one exception, every coach Buck brought in was useless. Well, maybe not useless, but at best no better than his predecessor. The PC, Gordon, was apparently counterproductive, and as everyone knows by now, Kranny should have stayed on. Crowley is a roving instructor, whatever that is, which sounds to me like a kick upstairs. Russell was so bad at third base, he had to be replaced at third base by Willie Randolph, who got terrible reviews in his managerial stint at (I think) Milwaukee. Jerry Adair – oops, make that Rick Adair (whatever happened to Jerry Adair?) – may or may not be OK, who knows, who cares; whatever goes for Wayne at 1B goes for Adair on the mound.
The best choice was Jim Presley, a fine pick. I suppose one cannot state a reason positively, but the following people became better hitters in various ways over the course of one season: Reynolds, Andino, Jones, Wieters, Reimold, and Hardy. That’s half a dozen guys, about half the batters on the team, so I doubt if that’s coincidence. Some of the proof will be in the Chris Davis power pudding when he has had enough at bats here to make an evaluation. However, two HRs in 123 at bats does not bode well for power, at least not the leave-the-park kind..
Don’t worry – I am not letting the two Stocks off the hook. What they have done – or allowed done – to their pitching staff warrants a jail term. Ditto for the minor leagues at large. Even allowing for the fact that we were forced to push some guys through before their time, I can’t think of a top-notch pitching prospect. When a 26 year old low minor fellow wins the Palmer award for best minor league pitcher, your organization has pitching issues. Player development along with scouting has been absolutely terrible for years and all of them from those offices have to go.
But I digress. The bottom line is that we used to bitch and whine about coaches not being allowed to bring in their own people, and when we finally allow it, only one works out. So yes the Stockstills gotta go, as well as Joe Jordan, not for Hobgood per se, but for the five million Hobgoods he has chosen over the past dozen years. The real Hobgood was only the proverbial straw.
Not sure
I’d call Boston and NYY ‘smarter’. Boston is out of the playoffs, NYY soon will be, and they buy more players than any other team. Rich doesn’t equate to smart in my book, ask the DuPonts in jail right now.
Boston and NYY are definitely smarter, imo.
Although they are able to “buy” talent on the FA market, they also have well developed international scouting programs, excellent farm systems, and use both to stock their major league system and trade for high level, major league talent. The complete strategy employed by both Boston and NYY is very impressive. It is far too simplistic to only look at FA signings and spending and conclude that they are not smartly run organizations.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
NYY soon will be?
Are you saying that just because they don’t have Vlad?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I think he meant Tampa is smarter
And they are, infinitely.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three-run homers."
by ThreeRunHomer on Oct 1, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Javylicious
Although I sorta miss that
We still suck, but on Sept. 29, 2011, we did a Very Cool Thing. Yeah, we did that.
My guess
My money is on 3, that Angelos would not let AM take the needed steps. When AM took over, the Os had one of the 3-4 weakest major league squads and one the 3-4 weakest minor league systems. The Os had a pitiful minor league complex and no international presence to speak of. It was clear to AM that a major overhaul, requiring perhaps a decade, was needed.
Rebuilding was a three step process. First, draft and develop some good players. Second, trade those good players for a ton of prospects. Third, develop those prospects into a team that could compete for 5 years. Then, do it all over again.
The Bedard and Tejada trades were steps in the right direction, as was the decision to move to Sarasota and build a better complex. BUT, he did not trade Roberts, Guthrie, or Markakis. Then, all of a sudden, AM said that the time had come to be judged by wins and losses. Then came the signings of the overpriced relievers and the out-to-pasture position players.
Nobody, but nobody, least of all AM, could think that the rebuilding was complete or that we had acquired the prospects to compete in our division. All of this says to me that PA would not let AM take the steps necessary to get the haul of prospects needed. One can hear the conversation: “Andy, I hear you, but the team has been losing for so many years that we need to improve now before all fans leave us. Shoot for a .500 team. Go get Vlad, he’s a big name.”
Bottom line: until Angelos sells, its Groundhog Day here in Baltimore.
You are a bit harsh
It’s obvious to us why MacPhail should be gone. In over four seasons as the man in charge, the Orioles have not improved. MacPhail has made some good moves in his time here, but they weren’t enough and they were counteracted by his bad decisions. Much has been made of his reluctance to invest more in international scouting, he hasn’t earned any points with his ridiculous bullpen signings, and while the minor league system got a bump a few years ago, it’s again looking pretty depleted.
AM’s reluctance to spend more on international scouting. What makes you say that…you have to take steps to get there you can’t just snap your fingers and you have scouting headquarters all over the world….they are growing in that area and planning more growth.. Ridiculous bullpen signings….Gonzo was hurt but was good enough the last part of this year to get us….Strop for him….Uehara…we got Davis and Hunter for him…Uehara was good when healthy…really good…Gregg….he has been not that good but good as well at times…I do not like his signing..there are more but they are not that bad and most are from injuries.,……if for no other reason I disagree because we traded them for good young players. Your outlook of the farm system is off base as well too…we have way more talent there than years 5 years ago…..some are very young but they are there…when you say he did not make enough moves…what can you do when people that you want to come here do not want to come to Baltimore….so bottom line I can understand why you say what you say here in a way but you are just as much wrong here on some things as you are right on some things. Sorry that is just my opinion,…
Hmmm a few really easy answers
AM’s reluctance to spend more on international scouting. What makes you say that
That fact that he’s told us all that he’s reluctant to spend money on international scouting and signings is what makes her and us say that. Should we not take him at both his word and his actions? It seems pretty simple.
As far as the bullpen signings, you are just making excuses – the point is that spending significant money on bullpen arms is stupid and always has been stupid and even after the failures of earlier signings like Baez and Walker, the O’s continue with this bullshit with Gregg and Gonzo is ridiculous. And we didn’t get any good young players for them – we got youngish guys that Texas has given up on because they mostly sucked and will likely continue to suck. Pedro Strop is interesting, but at best he’s a reliever. Am I happy with the trades? Absolutely – can’t expect to get any more for relief pitching, but I would have been even happier had the signings never happened in the first place.
I don’t know what you’re basing your comments about the farm system, since it’s ranked horribly in pretty much every list. We have only 1 prospect in the most recent top 100 although we will likely have another added this year, but that’s absolute dogshit especially compared to our division rivals.
what can you do when people that you want to come here do not want to come to Baltimore
Write a bigger check. Pretty simple.
I hate to be a dick (although it’s kind of what I do), but none of your arguments are backed up by facts. None of the things that you try to say are wrong are actually wrong.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
You make good points, but...
I agree that the major league team and the farm system are both better than they were in 2007. Nevertheless, getting better in absolute terms does us no good unless we can overtake at least three other teams in our division.
Right now, we are at the bottom of the AL East in terms of both major league club and farm system. The other teams have fewer holes to fill and more prospects. So, how do we overtake the Yanks, Rays, Sox, and Jays unless we sell major league players in order to get a large number of prospects?
In the 2011 draft, the Sox, Rays, and Jays all did better than the Os because they had more picks. The Jays just beefed up their scouting department and also signed 9 international free agents. We are not going to sign Prince or any other top free agent. So, where will the prospects come from unless we do what PA apparently won’t allow.
another rumored theory
he’s being groomed to take over bud’s job. if he left, he might take another position with mlb as stepping stone for the commissioner job.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
this
this is the obvious reason that you overlooked.
4. While there are only 30 GM jobs in sports, there’s only one commissioner’s job, and MacPhail considers this the real prize. After spending 4 years in the AL east, he has his own ideas about how the game can be improved in terms of making the playoff system fairer—and those ideas aren’t limited to throwing an extra WC game in the mix and calling it a day.
Bud Selig’s contract runs through 2012, and he has made it clear that he won’t be renewing. Andy’s stepping down from the O’s gives him a year to consult with Bud and be groomed as his replacement.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Hope you are right about "making the playoff system fairer"
Andy would be a good commissioner. And, PA won’t be his boss.
also, with possible overlap:
5: He deems himself a failure and is committing job suicide.
6. He feels pressure from Buck taking his job, or telling him how to do his job.
7. He’s retiring, or taking a year or two off to refresh himself.
8. I seriously could go all day here with the speculation, I mean, really, what is this accomplishing.
Yikes, the idea of moving from a Pretend Commissioner to a real one is pretty boggling. And unlikely.
Any change is an improvement, of course, but I really hope AM isn’t laboring under the illusion that his relationship to MLB, as a non-owner Commissioner, will be better than his relationship has been to the PA-owned O’s.
Although the latter is hard to define in its specifics (as Stacey rightly notes), it certainly has not been one that could be characterized as unfettered decision-making backed by peer-matching investment — which has meant adjusting to degrees of discomfort rather than enjoying relative degrees of comfort. The glass has always been half-empty, and probably often less.
But the collective MLB owners have shown themselves preternaturally stoopid, which means they will allow no one into the Commisioner’s office with ANY significant authority. Indeed, that’s why they’ve had one of their own as PC, since he would hardly argue the point!
Unless AM proves himself an idea salesman and self-promoter of legendary (and heretofore undemonstrated) skill, being a non-owner Commish will be less satisfying than being a hobbled GM here in Balmer. I wish him well, but don’t expect that’s what will come of it.
We still suck, but on Sept. 29, 2011, we did a Very Cool Thing. Yeah, we did that.

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