Thursday Bird Droppings
Seriously, y'all. I can't believe it's only Thursday. This has been the longest week of my life. Enjoy the links!
Speculation Nation: Will Roy Oswalt Come to Baltimore? | Birds Watcher
I wonder how much old Roy would cost.
Orioles New GM Candidates | Baltimore Sports Report
A rundown of Jerry DiPoto, Tony LaCava, and De Jon Watson, and a reluctant endorsement of LaCava.
Forget second basemen; why not go after shortstop Jose Reyes? | Amber Theoharis
Yesterday j.q. posted a story from Roch Kubatko about possible second basemen to replace Brian Roberts. Today Amber Theoharis says that a better idea would be to put Robert Andino at second, move J.J. Hardy to third, and sign Jose Reyes.
Brian Roberts feels better than he has in past six months | baltimoresun.com
If you care to use one of your Baltimore Sun page views, you can read about how good Brian feels right here.
Harvesting Opinion: Baltimore Orioles--Ryan Adams and Second Base | Seedlings to Stars
A look at Ryan Adams and the other middle infielders in the Orioles' system.
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From the BSR report
“While DiPoto openly discusses the Bill James literature and a combination of statistics and scouting in terms of evaluating player development, he is not on the cutting edge statistical strategies”
Um, sources?
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
whine whine whine
Ultimately, none of these three candidates represent the type of GM that By the Numbers would be truly excited about. While each appears to use advanced metrics, none of them are on the forefront of employing new quantitative evaluation strategies from fields such as economics. The most frustrating aspect of the lack of these types of candidates is that they are available and cheap. The current GM Market is flooded with young MBAs who are capable of the types of analysis that the Chicago Cubs just paid through the nose for in their acquisition of Theo Epstein.
“Cheap and available” are not my first criteria for determining whom I want our next GM to be. Also, if you’re going to bitch about the current candidates, why not offer up your own alternatives, instead of just saying the market is “flooded” with guys you’d like?
That said, this interview with DiPoto that he links to makes me happy.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Yo Duck
Where my drive at homie? Saddle up the tractor and get your arse down to the post office.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks buddy
I put like a couple dollars insurance on it sending it out so if you have some change I’d appreciate the same coming back. Should only be like $8 total.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Make sure you grab that Win-Win movie too.
I think you’ll like it.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I finally got my sig to change.
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither of those opinionators think he's basically just a replacement guy?
He looks like a replacement guy to me.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
You give him an extended chance at least.
It’s not like we’re in a rush or he’s blocking somebody. Maybe he’ll make the right adjustments and blossom. What is certain is that it won’t if he doesn’t get a chance.
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, fine. Not that I agree, but what is your better option?
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
that I can agree with
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
Summer of 69 wasn't bad.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
he did a pretty awesome duet/cover
of “Everybody Knows” with Don Henley… you can youtube it
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Henley is a master showman.
watching him live is awesomesauce.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
did you see him at Merriweather back in the 80s??
(I may be old.)
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
alas, no
first time i saw him was in MSG in the early 90s
he was on a bill with Billy Joel and Sting, and he absolutely owned the evening.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
that sounds awesome
one of my first concerts ever — I was not quite a teenager — was Don Henley at Merriweather in ’87 or so, with the Indigo Girls as the unknown opening act. Pretty damn good show for 12 bucks.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No one owns Billy Joel
No one.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I can't tell you how happy I am
that they released “Angry Young Man” for Rock Band on the keyboard.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so happy when those 2 track packs came out
even though I’ve played in BJ cover bands for years. It’s pretty sad actually.
I AM stoked that they finally released a Darkness song for Rock Band though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
No where right now
I’m in a group on the side, but we mostly play charity/fundraiser type stuff. I haven’t really played regularly in a while. But yea, almost everything is in north Jersey and occasionally NYC.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
anyone know if Joel plays "Christie Lee" in concert?
that song is awesome
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost never
and I know for a fact that Mark Rivera doesn’t even remember the solo
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
and by solo...
I mean the whole song
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yeah, I figured
I’ve seen BJ a few times, including BJ/EJ at Nationals Park (which was awesome), and it seems like those early ’80s songs are pretty much in zero rotation. My sister would kill for a live version of “All For Leyna.”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
All For Leyna is amazing
I love Glass Houses so so much. He does do “This Night” once in a while which is pretty cool, but a lot of the best parts of his catalog gets ignored. He throws the die hard fans a bone every once in a while (Everybody Loves You Now is done rarely, but it’s so worth it when he does do it), but never saw him do Christie Lee, and I’ve seen him quite a few times.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
back side of glass houses is awesome
esp. through the long night and sleeping with the television on.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
"Back side"... ahahahaha.
But yea, I have them all on vinyl as well. And “Sleeping with the television on” is one of my favorites. So good.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
your eyes are saying 'talk to me'
but your attitude is ’don’t waste my time’!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I really think I was less of a thinking man
and more a fool who’s not afraid of rejection.
High school Dave related to that line very much.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
his bone at Nats Park
was “Zanzibar,” which I have to confess is not in my top 50 BJ songs.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, not my fave
I like it, but it wouldn’t be a request.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
bones i wouldn't mind hearing more often
Stilletto
Pressure (which he actually plays a lot I think)
Big Man on Mulberry Street
And So It Goes
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
They do all of those pretty often
Big Man is probably the rarest of that group, but I’ve seen them do it at least 2 times.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
nice list
Miami 2017
All For Leyna
The Entertainer
Christie Lee
Easy Money
Sleeping With the Television On
Code of Silence
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Great List
I love The Entertainer, especially the line about cutting it “down to 3:05”
I have heard Miami 2017 a bajillion times—it gets a lot of airplay in NYC—and it never gets stale. I love how that piano solo works, especially when he really fucks around with it live.
I don’t know Christie Lee or Code of Silence at all.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
just regular tracks
but here’s Christie Lee, and here’s a really soft recording of Code of Silence — that’s Cyndi Lauper on background vocals.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
oh,
Innocent Man.
That’s the album I tend to try to forget. I don’t really like a lot of stuff on it: Uptown Girl, The Longest Time, Tell Her About it. Ugh.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
"The Longest Time"
becomes tolerable if you imagine it being sung by the four little muppet things from “The Dark Crystal.”
(I may be old.)
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
sang it in a capella group
complete with bad choreography. It kind of ruined any shred of decency in it for me.
We ended up nicknaming it “The Longest Song”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
ahahahaha
with enough martinis in me i’ll sing anything
but i’d probably go with I’ve Loved These Days.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
which, btw
i quoted on my college yearbook page.
(shudder)
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
“take it…. to the limit…. one more time”
?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
The Last Resort
We satisfy our endless needs
and justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny
and the name of God
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
also
“Code of Silence” is off of The Bridge, which I consider the last great Billy Joel album.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Man...
Nylon Curtain was probably his musical pinnacle. Not as catchy and mainstream, but great musically. And Laura, while ripping off the Beatles (as most songs on that album did) is just fan-fucking-tastic.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
code of silence is awesome
i remember listening to the bridge a lot when it came out in the 80s.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Great list
but you’ll never hear Code of Silence. I’d love to hear Getting Closer, but that will never happen either.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I still think of "Code of Silence"
as late Billy Joel….
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
All For Leyna live on YouTube
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
it's not bad.
i’d like one from, like, 5-10 years later instead of pre-album.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
in general i'd agree
but that night he came in second
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Not as well known it seems
but my fave Billy Joel song is actually Goodnight, Saigon. Beautiful tune.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
probably also not performed much live
but that definitely comes from the golden age of BJ
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually did that 2 of the 3 times i've seen him
including once with a bunch of vets on stage
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Performed WAY a alot live
as in almost every show. ANd it’s sooooo great live.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I do like that song.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
GREAT song.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Me, too.
I don’t see where his iffy offense justifies the defensive downgrade in sitting Andino.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanging out with Dempsey on O's Extra has clearly drained her intellectual faculties.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Reyes....
If Reyes comes to town and B-Rob feels better than he has in 6 months. We should start collecting donations for next year to rename the health facility the “Roberts-Reyes memorial rehabilitation room” We can even bronze the butt grooves those two will leave on the seats.
That B-Rob piece is a relief.
Roberts seems like a good person, and to hear that he’s driving without any problems or symptoms is very encouraging. Who knows, maybe he will be able to play in 2012 after all.
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
I don't know if I can get my hopes up for a B-rob return
I wish him the best and want him to be healthy, but, it is two years in a row now and I was so very excited coming into the season that B-rob would be back and healthy as the spark our team needed. Unless he takes an ad out in the paper publicly swearing to never dive headfirst again, I will hold my hope to a flicker.
He doesn't need to take out an ad. I'm sure he's learned his lesson.
There was an interview with him a while ago and you could hear the pain in his voice. I think he’d do anything not to go through this again.
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
number of 34-year-old non-HOF second basemen who came back to have useful careers
it might not be zero (Craig Counsell?)… but the odds are long against B-Rob ever being an asset on the field again.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Don’t delude yourself.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not overly optimistic about a return
but very happy to hear he’s feeling better. That has got to suck right out loud.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
now we just have to worry about his back problems
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
He's done.
I appreciate all his service and won’t forget him, but he’s completely dead to me as far as the Orioles are concerned.
A) He won’t get healthy
B) I can’t see him being productive again
C) He can’t STAY healthy
Thanks for the memories B-Rob, no go enjoy a second career brother.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen and +1
B-Rob is DONEZO as an everyday productive player
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
No matter what happens with his play...
… I’d like to see both Brian Roberts and Brady Anderson in Florida next year teaching Jones, Andino, etc. how to make the most of their speed on the bases, both stealing and reading hits / sac flies to take extra bases.
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
YES! I endorse this posting
The organization needs to reach out much more to some of its old timers. Cal and surhoff as well.
I'd be on the fence on this one.
Except for ‘05, he was never a great player. We are probably biased because he’s been around for so long (even longer in our minds).
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I can already hear the pro-Roberts arguments
he’s second all-time in (modern) Oriole stolen bases behind Brady. If he ever comes back he could take over the top spot, fourth in doubles behind Cal, Eddie, and Brooks. Sixth in triples behind Cal, Brooks, Brady, Paul Blair, and Al Bumbry. Ninth in hits (Cal, Brooks, Eddie, Brady, Boog, Ken Singleton, Blair, and Bumbry). Eighth in walks (Cal, Brady, Boog, Ken, Eddie, Brooks, and Mark Belanger). Played his entire career (so far) in Baltimore, where he made two all star teams and got some MVP votes. Folks will say his defense was impeccable. Fangraphs has him 11th all time in positional Oriole fWAR.
And it’s wrong to not say he was great in 2007 and 2008. He was other-worldly in 2005. And he’s been very good in four other seasons.
So he’s got a pretty good argument.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
And it's not like there's much competition 'round here...
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Bordick is in the O's HoF
If Bordick is in, BRob should be in.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
bordick...
had a really good run w/ the o’s.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the guy
I just think if Bordick is the bar, B-Rob makes it in.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yeah...
i think bordick was perfectly acceptable pick and think roberts would be as well.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Bordick in the O's HOF pisses me off to no end
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he really didn't play for the o's for a long time
if he played for the o’s his entire career, he should be in.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Out of players we've seen in the last 10 years, I'd say Brian Roberts and Melmo should be O's HOF.
Hopefully a pitcher on this year’s roster other than Guts is around for long enough and relatively good enough in their O’s career to make the cut too.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
monsieur erik?
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i had that thought too
but i don’t think he played long enough for that. he only had three really good years with us, right?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
this is partially wishful thinking...
but i think he could be a really good fa signing. even getting only half a season out of him, he’s probably worth more than the inning eating dreck that was the hallmark of the flanaquette and macca regimes.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he quite qualifies
He had one fantastic year, one above average year, and then two average years
He did not have three really good years with us.
He had one really good year (which even then he didn’t throw 200 innings), two decent-to-good years and one meh year.
The media will probably cite the Bedard surliness as why “he was never really an Oriole at heart” or some crap like that. Really, it’s that the stats don’t overwhelm with either longevity or excellence. The trade hasn’t lived up to what we might have hoped, but it’s really amazing we tricked somebody into giving up what Bavasi did.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If Mussina isn't in it, neither should B-Rob
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, wait, wait
Mike Mussina isn’t in the Orioles’s Hall of Fame?
What is wrong with the world?
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
Not according to this site
http://www.orioleadvocates.org/hofalphabetical.html
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the dick shouldn't have signed with the Damn Yankees then, eh?
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he used his hand.
To sign, I mean.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's on Angelos
PA is an asshole for letting him walk. The Yanks were just taking advantage of our stupidity.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Muss and BRob should both be in it
one dumb omission doesn’t justify another
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Maybe you have to be retired for so many years...
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's extra encouraging to me
Since he lives in Canton with me and i don’t want his concussed ass derp’ing on Boston Street and crashing into me.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't concussions usually head injuries?
Just askin’.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
C - Wieters, 1B - Fielder, 2B - Roberts, SS - Reyes, 3B - Hardy
The delusions of an Orioles fan.
That infield, healthy and on the field for 140+ games? Yeah, it’d be great. On the other hand, it would cost $65 million a year and would probably average 100 games a piece.
and we'd still lose 85+ games
because the pitching would be brutal and the defense wouldn’t be great.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
I just assumed that we signed Sabathia, Oswault, and Wilson, too.
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats why Buck and Angelos
will go for a steal and try to pry Lackey from the Red Sox. The we surely will be set with an ace like lackey on our team.
i thought maybe Benhem was being snarky there
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
One of the CC articles that stood out for me this year was when you broke down the runs scored/runs allowed
And how the team would have to improve to get to benchmark win points.
It’s all the more important for people to not just go spouting dream scenario signings for the offense now, because what does that get us when the pitching staff was the worst in MLB? A fat lot of nothing.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
hey, thanks!
I can’t help but say my motivation lately has been lacking (also JP called me pseudo-mathematical or faux-intellectual or something, and that hurt) , but I’d like to do that series again, unless I get booed off the podium. Hopefully better this time. Maybe in less than 17 parts.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
It was a distinct way of approaching the problem.
So it’s stuck in my mind.
If the O’s had allowed one full run fewer per game, they would have still allowed 698 runs, and had a run differential of +10 (708 runs scored). That ain’t getting us into the playoffs, although it’s sure closer than we are now. Plus then we might actually feel like we grew some arms and it was worth buying some bats.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
in all honesty
I re-read those blogposts at the beginning of October intending to post-mortem them and there were many, many things that I feel like, I dunno, I just know better than to write. Example: starting with a solution and working backwards. Eesh. And then things got busy at work and in life and so on and so on. But I’m glad at least a few of y’all remember them still.
If nothing else, take away this: the currency of this game is runs. Getting more runs and allowing fewer runs is the only way forward.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
False
The currency of this game is RBIs.
RBIS and home runs.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
not just rbi...
game winning rbi, friend-o.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I will accept "clutch" average
such as the kind Derek Jeter has in spades.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
anyone see the boston globe today?
Tony LaRussa:
"On-base percentage is one of the most dangerous concepts of the last seven, eight years,’’ he said, "because it forces some executives and coaches and players to think that it’s all about getting on base by drawing walks. And the fact is that the guys that have the best on-base percentage are really dangerous hitters whenever they get a pitch in the strike zone.
"So if the pitcher knows that and the catcher knows that, they work the edges, and pretty soon it’s 2-and-1, 2-and-1 rather than 0-and-1 all the time.
"You watch your productive hitters in the big leagues, and they get a chance to drive in a run, they look for the first good strike, and the better the pitching, especially this time of the year, you get that first strike, that may be the last one that you get to see. So you’d better be ready to swing early. It’s not sitting up there and taking strike one, strike two so that you can work the count.’’
Anyone want to try and make sense of that? In 2011, Miguel Cabrera led baseball in OBP. He put the first pitch into play 15.5% of the time. Not exactly sitting around waiting for a walk. False dichomoties.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
I'm sorry, but I have to give the nod to Tony here
He’s old school, and has on-field experience.
He sees things with his eyes that you can’t “see” with your “stats.”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Oct 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a manager
have YOU ever managed? If not your opinion is completely invalid.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
If the first strike is the last strike you see, and you don't swing, you will have a 1.000 OBP
I don’t think he knows what he’s trying to say here.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
1.000 OBPs are dangerous!
Aren’t you paying attention!?
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
terry crowley nods in approval.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Allow me to attempt to parse this into sensible speech
“On-base percentage is misunderstood by people, who believe that the only valuable portion of it is getting on base via the walk, as opposed to guys who may draw fewer walks but have a higher batting average.
“In actuality, the guys in the majors who are best at getting on base are typically the ones who can actually hit the ball well, not just those who have a good batting eye. This is because if a guy can hit any pitch in the zone for a homerun, the pitcher and catcher will be more inclined to work the edges of the strike zone, which are called for balls more often, and you end up in a 2-1 situation as opposed to the 0-1.
“The most productive hitters are the ones who look for a ball to drive and lay off the rest. Because the best pitchers are capable of throwing pitches that start in the zone and move out of it, the first strike thrown to you may be the only actual strike you see in an at-bat. Therefore you can’t just go ’I’m going to take these pitches’ because you might not see a pitch you can drive more than once in the at bat. You can’t just sit there and take two strikes every at bat and expect to have success.”
does he realize that a batter can induce better pitches to see by working the count?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
*shrugs*
Though I don’t believe he’s saying “You gotta go up there hacking!” only that “The best hitters are those that can identify a pitch as hittable and drive it in any count, as opposed to those who just sit there waiting for a mistake that may not come.”
Fangraphs' Dave Cameron responds to the TRL quote
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-dangers-of-on-base-percentage/
Mother, did it need to be so high.
yeah, don't think TLR understands driving a ball is related to selection.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
LaRussa is not the only one of the opinion ...
… that the first pitch in an at bat is likely to be the best pitch you see.
I think he is just saying that you shouldn’t take the bat out of yourhitters hands by encouraging them to work the count all the time.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Chipper Jones takes this approach.
His take is that pitchers tend to give him a good first pitch in order to get ahead. Since he usually doesn’t see a pitch that good later in the count, he swings early.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Dave Cameron wrote a pretty good , but math heavy, rebuttal
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-dangers-of-on-base-percentage/
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
That looks suspiciously like the article I posted four comments up :)
Mother, did it need to be so high.
(sheepish shrug)
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
It would be nice if someone looked at first pitches ...
… as to percentage of strikes vs balls.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
i remember earlier this year
there was some series where we were playing the yankees and sending out arrieta, britton, and a 3rd guy, not matusz.
the yankees specifically presumed that, being younger, less expereinced pitchers, they’d all want to get ahead with “strike one”; i.e., they expected a lot of first-pitch fastballs because we weren’t sending out wily veterans. they had a team meeting about being more aggressive than usual early in the count.
whether it’s for the reasons they quoted or not, the strategy paid off. they went up early in all three games. and this was early in the year, before britton and arrieta started sucking.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
And I can anecdotally remember
a couple of games with the Yankees (esp. Gardner, who is the Platonic ideal no-power high-patience guy Cameron talks about) getting burned by pitchers with superior/unexpected control the first time or two around the batting order.
So, I’d want to see it controlled for time up in a game against a pitcher, too.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
I'm still not quite sure what his point is.
Is it that there are some high OBP guys who aren’t good hitters? or that guys with high OBP aren’t trying to hit the ball?
Tommy hunter still sucks!
I think he's saying
that while it’s good to be a patient, selective hitter, it’s bad to be a passive hitter, and some people may be learning the wrong lessons when trying to increase their OBPs through additional walks. It isn’t worth increasing your OBP by .020 if your SLG drops by twice that (or more) because you never swing at first pitch fastballs down the middle.
He’s way overstating the case, though.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah, this, I think
He says it in a dumb way, but I think that’s what he’s saying.
And yes, he’s overstating the case hugely.
That was how I interpreted his comments.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Ahhh, English!
Thank you.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur with Esskay.
In fact that applies to about every post you do on the front page.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Nailed it.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
i would move either hardy to reyes to 2B and move roberts to the bench.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
How about we move any $ we would spend on Reyes to international scouting?
Mother, did it need to be so high.
sweet!
that was quick.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations!
Now to find a job…
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I did it so you won't feel the need to self-reference any more ; )
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, let's sue the Orioles for emotional distress.
The judge will award Camden Chat Peter Angelos’ share of control of the Orioles as compensation.
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The statute of limitations may have run on this.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not ifit's still ongoing.
I think the statute resets itself if we can prove the trauma has been recently manifested.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
That's a risky strategy where the tortious act is open and apparent
You’re still likely to lose everything prior to the limitations period counting back from the inception of the action.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Continuing torts often have their statutes of limitation renewed for each act.
So say, if the SoL on intentional/negligent infliction of emotional distress is two years, you might not be able to recover for acts that occurred more than two years ago but you can recover for each act from two years ago to the present.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Congrats dude!
What kind of lawyer are you planning to be?
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
a fat cat, big city lawyer...
i’m guessing.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't run over any old gypsies
unless you need to lose a LOT of weight
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Oct 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe Weak Sauce's defense team needs some help
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
by Zeke McGeek on Oct 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
anything further on the job upstate?
or was that just a passing fancy.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Still "Under Review"
I applied for two more senior positions as well on a whim, and got rejected from both of those almost right away, so I’m taking it as a good sign that i haven’t heard back yet.
best of luck
or, “break a leg” as we say.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I should hear soon
my friend got hired for the same position at a different site, and he said it took about two weeks to hear back. Two weeks ago would have been this past sunday.
I'm a fan of this one

Mother, did it need to be so high.
by salvotion on Oct 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
bwahahahaha.
Best ever.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
False.
Skim milk is not disgusting.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
it is
The person who introduced Andrew to baseball and the O's
by QTess on Oct 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seconded
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact:
The only kind of milk that actually tastes good is chocolate milk.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
that's why we have a lot of fat kids.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't detract from the basic fact that regular milk tastes like shit.
And chocolate milk (made right) is God’s gift to humanity.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
regular milk tastes like shit.
This is so, so wrong. Milk is delicious.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I loved milk MORE when I was a kid.
I typically had 2-3 glasses at dinner every night.
LOVED it!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Same here.
I find myself drinking it less now than when i was a kid.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
now it's mostly something for my coffee
except for days like today, when I indulge in half-and-half.
I use yogurt for my cereal.
I’ll still polish off a tall glass of milk with cake or warm cookies though.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
all summer...
i was on a big yogurt and fresh berries kick. delicious.
still have milk w/ the cereal, though.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i have greek yogurt and berries every morning
when i leave the left coast, i have no idea how i’m going to survive without fresh raspberries every day.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
#whichisappropriateasiliveinthefirstworld
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You are me.
How odd.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Cake + Milk = God
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Though I couldn’t stand skim when I was young and now it’s fine. Not preferable, but if I’m going to be drinking my calories I rather it not be wasted on milk.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
and once you get used to skim,
2% begins to taste like cream. ugh.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
i typically drink 1%
which i believe is called “low fat” today.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I used to drink warm skim milk as a kid
Up until I was five I wouldn’t go to sleep without it. I stopped drinking it when I discovered chocolate milk. When I developed some insomnia problems, I tried it once (about three years ago). WARM SKIM MILK. NEVER AGAIN.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Chocolate contains caffeine.
Cause of your “insomnia” right there.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
I’m immune to small amounts of caffeine like that. In fact, chocolate often puts me to sleep because of the sugar. Also, I drink a bottle of Arizona green tea every night and I sleep fine now.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
yeah, but green tea is virtually caffeine free
i mean, there’s some caffeine there, but nothing approaching what’s in coffee or coke
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Chocolate's caffeine content is pretty small as well
I wouldn’t dare drink coffee or coke before bed unless I had to stay up. Plus, usually I eat leftover brownies before bed and all the sugar just puts me to sleep.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Another myth
Sugar does not put you to sleep.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it puts me to sleep
I get an energy boost and then I crash. Kind of like what little kids do when they have sugar.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
"Kind of like"
Or EXACTLY like?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But that's not true.
Chocolate helps the body create dopamine which is a stimulant. The effects last much longer than the sugar does.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Drinking whole or chocolate milk is not a major driver of child obesity.
At least not from anything I’ve seen.
Soft drinks and fast food are much more likely candidates.
As someone w/ Type 2 diabetes, I look at the nutritional menus national chain places are usually required to provide. You can usually max out the recommended caloric intake for an adult male with one meal and that’s with ordering water instead of soda.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
The sugar content of the chocolate milk served in schools is outrageous.
The tiny little milk carton served i the schools I used to go to had over 40 grams of sugar.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And you can bet that the only milk they were selling was of the chocolate variety.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why you get reduced fat milk
I get Organic Valley reduced fat milk which is better than all the stuff you get in the school cafeteria and 100 times better than yoohoo.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
I'll take your word on this ...
… seeing as I’ve never tried tasting someone’s feet.
Or for that matter, I don’t think I’ve ever tried Yahoo.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Don't bother.
That shit is nasty. Doesn’t even taste like chocolate. That and its mostly water.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Your missing out.
On the feet, that is.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"What's wrong with that?"
~Quentin Tarantino
I drink more brewsters than Punky
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 27, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yes well...
Let’s just say it’s better than any non-organic milk.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
sorry other way around!
I jumbled that. I meant organic milk is better than any non-organic milk out there.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
That's not what she's saying
She’s saying Organic Valley reduced fat milk is better than any non-organic milk.
Ingredients of both products: milk.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
classic Calvin & Hobbes
(looking at a cow)
“I wonder who the first person was who thought ’I’m gonna squeeze these things and drink whatever comes out?’”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the "organic" label is largely bullshit
I’ve had organic and “non”-organic milk (as if it was made of inorganic compounds or something) and they taste identical.
That's because they are the same.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
taste same, perhaps
are the same, not even close.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
The product behind door number 1: milk.
The product behind door number 2: milk.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure what you're saying here
are you saying that two milks can’t be different? that one can’t be healthier than the other?
product #1: apple
product #2: apple
still can have vastly different tastes and health benefits, etc.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Whole milk
Same as skim milk? By your definition, they’re both milk. You really don’t think there’s a difference?
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Stop.
That’s not what we’re talking about here and you know that. If you’re not going to add anything useful, don’t add.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't tell me what to say and what not to say...
And no, I don’t feel my contribution was useless.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
And I've told you this before if you really don't like what I have to say...
You could ignore it instead of attacking me.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Except for one really important characteristic.
Price.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
not just about taste though
it’s about health, obviously
although some non-organic milks might actually be better than organic valley, which is a huge agri-business
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
disagree
there are some things that organic can guarantee that “average non-labeled milk” can’t. that doesn’t mean that organic is going to be healthier than a specific milk where you know the source, but it certainly will be healthier (in certain aspects) than a lot of factory farm milk.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
What aspects?
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019
The point made in the above article is that organic food is like kosher food: made/grown following a different set of standards.
Well there's the whole pesticides thing
That’s a pretty big one. I have a lot of problems with the definition of organic. Organic farmers are not saints, especially meat/poultry farmers, who really don’t treat their animals much better than any factory farmer. But it’s still in the long run probably a healthier option than non-organic.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
There are many a study that prove otherwise there.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In fact, there are some studies showing that certain organic products are actually worse for your health.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the article covers the pesticide delusion
Some supporters of organic growing claim that the danger of non-organic food lies in the residues of chemical pesticides. This claim is even more ridiculous: Since the organic pesticides and fungicides are less efficient than their modern synthetic counterparts, up to seven times as much of it must be used. Organic pesticides include rotenone, which has been shown to cause the symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease and is a natural poison used in hunting by some native tribes; pyrethrum, which is carcinogenic; sabadilla, which is highly toxic to honeybees; and fermented urine, which I don’t want on my food whether it causes any diseases or not. Supporters of organics claim that the much larger amounts of chemicals they use is OK because those chemicals are all-natural.
I like cruelty-free products as well, and I try to buy them as much as possible. I don’t pretend they’re any healthier for me, though.
and don't get me started about homeopathy
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
my 59-year-old mother uses Airborne!
and I can’t f*cking get her to stop
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Airborne, what a joke
My idiot roommate used that shit like 4x a day all winter a few years ago. And I’m like dude, it says right on the bottle don’t take it more than twice a day or whatever. It’s just a fucking calcium pellet, you will get kidney stones. Sure enough…
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's like going to a doctor to discuss the causes of World War I
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
there's some other crazy homeopathic crap she tried to get me to take
do you know how hard it is to present rational, skeptical arguments to your mom??
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out this piece by Emily Willingham
She takes apart this doctor who sounds like he could be a poster child for new age modern medicine.
http://biologyfiles.fieldofscience.com/2011/10/huffington-post-irresponsible.html
The there is the BMJ (British Medical Journel) which came out this week saying that climate change is the gravest threat to human health there is. Even stated it is bigger than both communicable and non-communicable diseases.
Wonder if they realize communicable and non-communicable disease accounts for 11 of the top 20 causes of mortality in the world. And that’s if you don’t count various cancers as a disease.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
It was supposed to be about how some doctors
seem to have their heads up their ass.
Seeing as how the proponents of CAGW have been having a tough time of late, I wasn’t going to pile on.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
"all natural"
THAT is a meaningless label. for sure.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
as i said below
this ignores the point that many farmers don’t use pesticides at all.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Right....the point there is that nearly all (if not all) commercial "organic" farmers do.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
no, the point is
the guy says “a bunch of organic farmers use pesticides that are just as bad! Ergo, organic food is no better for you!”
it’s a faulty conclusion. the correct conclusion would be “some organic food is no better for you, and i can’t reprot on the other stuff.”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Oh I'm not disagreeing that the conclusion there is shitty.
But that doesn’t mean its wrong.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure I want plants grown without pesticides
They use them for a reason.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
The reason
is to maximize yields.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pesticides don't make it into the food chain.
I agree with Phil. It is mostly about marketing.
The one area where I would give some credence to organic being “healthier” might be on additives, specificially hormone additives. And the only reason for this is because there isn’t yet a lot of study on the subject.
This is not to say organic farming is BS. There can be some benefits to the soil and possible water quality. But the healthier food argument is more Madison Ave than FFA.
And lets not get started on the eat locally kick. While I support local producers, a lot of the stuff you hear about it being environmentally friendly, particularly with regard to carbobn foot print, is pretty much propaganda.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
right.
like, organic “earthbound” lettuce you buy in whole foods that is flown from giant refrigerator warehouses in ecuador.
huge contradiction there. although that’s about “organic”, not “local”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
hahaha....i know.
Whole Foods is generally full of shit. I do go there tho…with regularity…for no particular reason.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i get specific things there
mainly, for reasons i’ve stated elsewhere, i have to do everything I can to avoid rBST. And it is really, really hard to do without going to WF and other specialty stores regularly.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I actually shop at an all-organic store for 100% of my grocery shopping
mainly because my girlfriend has all kinds of strange allergies and this organic store caters to a lot of special dietary needs. It makes it very easy for us to find tasty stuff that she wouldn’t otherwise be able to enjoy. Like today, I had a frankfurter made from wheat. It tasted 99% like an actual meat frankfurter.
But what they're talking about IS the factory farmers
Sure, when you buy organic in a store, it’s not the same. But you also should keep in mind how many small farms (who market in farmers markets and roadside stands) find it’s too costly to go through the whole certification process, but in the end are a lot more honest in their farming practices. One my dad’s closest friends is an organic farmer (not certified) and he loses tons of crops every year because he refuses to use a lot of pesticides. The same thing happens to most of the farmer’s at Takoma Park.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
As in
They take the label of organic more seriously than the big organic farms. They actually use very little pesticides, if at all.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
honesty has nothing to do with that
“taking the label more seriously” is also something that makes a compelling narrative but doesn’t actually make any sense.
Your use of the word honest doesn't make any sense within the context of this argument
neither does the phrase “taking the label more seriously.”
i'm not reading the whole thing
but that article leaves out a lot.
first off, I can’t take this seriously:
The National Review reports that Americans believe organic food is healthier by a 2-1 margin, despite the lack of any evidence supporting this.
There is no evidence anywhere of any organic food being better for you? Ridiculous. There are many, many examples of some specific organic food being better than some non-organic food. He brings up pesticides, stating that organic pesticides are no better than conventional ones. He leaves out the fact that some folks farm completely pesticide free. So it’s a question of NO pesticide, as opposed to “which is worse”.
Today’s synthetic pesticides and fertilizers are completely biodegradable. They’re supported by decades of studies that demonstrate their total safety.
What? ALL synthetic pesticides that all farmers are using today are supported by decades of studies that demonstrate their “total safety”? This sounds like it was written by Con-Agra.
Moreover, and this is my main point, not being able to prove something is better than something else is not at all the same thing as proving two things are equal. Which is the main argument articles like the one above espouse: “You can’t show me how they’re different, therefore them must be the same.” It’s a failure of simple logic.
And one that also doesn’t take into account labeling outside this country where business interests are not in such tight control of government standards. A clear-cut example of this is bovine growth hormones, which are not addressed in the article above. I can assure you, their addition into foods have been proven to make those foods less healthy. This is not something about two crops being “grown the same” that can be compared to “kosher” labelling. This is about one farmer feeding hormones to his cows and another farmer not, and how those hormones have repeatedly been linked to higher cancer incidence.
In the USA, rBST labels state “NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN SHOWN…..”, as an FDA requirement. But look closely: 1) It says no “significant” difference, which is no the same as no difference; 2) It ignores any overseas studies, and only accepts studies approved by the FDA, which is heavily lobbied by Agri-Business.
It is a fact that numerous overseas studies in several different countries have conclusively demonstrated the higher cancer rates linked to rBST, to the point where growth hormones are banned by the entire EU, Canada, Japan, Australia, etc. But here in the USA you can still buy them if you want.
As an educated consumer, I choose not to poison myself, or my wife, who is a two-time survivor of estrogen-positive breast cancer. Organic labeling allows us to be confident that hormones are not getting into our food.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I think you could have stopped with
“The National Review reports….”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There is also fairly significant evidence that many "organic" products
Are actually worse for your health than conventional products, for various reasons.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i find this hard to believe
but it’s also a pretty big generalization.
what’s defined as “conventional” in this case?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
i'm skeptical of any article from a site called skeptoid.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
skeptoid is one of the most respected and visible skeptic blogs/podcasts
The guy just has his shit together most of the time.
according to who?
skeptoid suggests draw a conclusion and find evidence to support rather than unbiased and impartial.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
the point of most of these skeptical blogs/podcasts/magazines
is to take something that is either a popular belief or something that appears to be self-evident and then see what the body of literature says about those beliefs. That’s pretty much it. I don’t think there’s an agenda behind it.
and then see what the body of literature says about those beliefs.
I get the sense that the point is to disprove that belief (note, not evaluate or assess both sides, but only present evidence that disproves it).
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That's a fair assessment
I don’t think that removes any credibility from the movement, though. I mean we all love Snopes, right? This is pretty similar. Take in this case a warm and fuzzy claim and see if it holds water. Does it? In this case, not always.
I don’t think that removes any credibility from the movement,
I think it removes any credibility of them giving a fair and impartial analysis. Doesn’t mean that everything they say is wrong or incorrect, but it’s probably not the whole story.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
not in that article he doesn't
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
eh you just disagree
I mean that’s fine. A lot of people like acupuncturists and chiropractors even though there isn’t any real evidence to back up their claims, but people swear by them even though they are as effective as placebos.
thanks for equating the two
because somehow my disagreeing with that guy is the same as people getting acupuncture.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
also, just for fun
the skeptoid guy has been found to be full of shit on DDT (see links at the bottom), and he seems to be under indictment for wire fraud.
i’m going to move along when i look for responsible journalism, particularly from a guy who doesn’t seem to have any bona fides, and whose only degree is in writing for film and television.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I had known about all of those things except the wire fraud
whoops on him. It’s not like he’s a lone voice in a vacuum, though.
agreed.
The “organic” thing has become completely raped by the agricultural community.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true
but it doesn’t mean the label is meaningless
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Actually, in many cases, it is meaningless.
That’s the whole point.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it's never meaningless
something certified organic has been held to certain specific standards. its producers have had to undergo certain inspections.
we can debate all day whether those standards are better or worse for you.
but added information about a product vs. another product with no information beyond “this is milk” is not “meaningless”.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
That isn't true though.
To be organic, a product has to be only approx 95 percent organic. In many cases, the inspections for those standards are the same as regular products. For example, organic milk cannot come from cows that have been given hormones. The testing for this is done using the end product. The USDA stipulates that all milk (organic/conventional) cannot have any added hormones in the end product. They actually go thru the same inspection process.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
no
organic also involves pledges on the part of farmers and onsite inspections, none of which applies to conventional milk.
hormones can’t be detected in either product at the end of the process. that doesn’t mean they aren’t there, as is evidenced by the studies i’ve mentioned that conclude they have an effect.
again, the USDA is not the final arbiter. and “not being able to detect differences at the end” isn’t anything like saying “these products are the same.”
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
ingredients in organic valley:
Organic Grade A Reduced Fat Milk, Organic Unrefined Cane Sugar, Organic Dutch Cocoa, Salt, Carrageenan,Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D3.
Ingredients in Yoohoo:
Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Whey (from Milk), Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, Cocoa (Alkali Process), Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Sodium Caseinate (from Milk), Nonfat Dry Milk, Salt, Tricalcium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Xanthan Gum, Guar Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Soy Lecithin, Mono and Diglycerides, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide (Vitamin B3), Vitamin D3, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2).
You really think that’s the same? Yoohoo has no milk…
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Ovaltine:
Sugar, Alkalized Cocoa, Whey (from Milk), and 1.5% or Less of: Salt, Carrageenan, Mono- and Diglycerides, Artificial Vanilla Flavor, Yellow 6, Red 40, Blue 1. Vitamins and Minerals: Magnesium Oxide, Dicalcium Phosphate, Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid), Vitamin E Acetate, High Chromium Yeast, Ferrous Orthophosphate (Iron), Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Niacinamide, Vitamin A Palmitate, Copper Gluconate, Vitamin B5 (Calcium Pantothenate), Vitamin B1 (Thiamin Hydrochloride), Vitamin B12, Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride).
Nesquik:
SUGAR, COCOA PROCESSED WITH ALKALI, SOY LECITHIN, CARRAGEENAN, SALT, ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, SPICE. VITAMINS AND MINERALS: CALCIUM CARBONATE, ASCORBIC ACID (VITAMIN C), ZINC OXIDE, PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), COPPER GLUCONATE, MANGANESE SULFATE, BIOTIN.
Three major brands, none of them have pure milk in them.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Chocolate milk, despite being tasty, is expired milk repasteurized :P
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
Then you've never had Orange milk.
Tastes exactly like an orange creamsicle. Wilcox Dairy here in Washington used to make it. It disappeared a few years ago.
The stuff was so good it got me drinking milk again.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Except that its nasty and sweetened with corn syrup.
What’s the point of milk if you’re just going to dump sugar in it?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, skim is not disgusting
It is simply an “acquired taste”. You need to choke it down a few times, then it actually tastes good. Kind of like scotch.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
Not.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that's got to be a hand from an M&M doll, right?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
This thing is really getting kind of played out.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Look, I'm behind the cutting edge of social criticism, OK?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I was bored with the whole thing by day 3.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
we need that cutting edge
there are thousands of MBAs we can replace you with. They’re a dime a dozen!
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
The hardest part of getting an MBA is writing the tuition check
what we need in the front office is a recently sworn-in attorney with fresh ideas about locking Kevin Gregg in a bullpen storage shed.
They don't teach what I know in any MBA program.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And they don't (and can't) teach what you need to be a teacher
That is definitely an experiential learning situation.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Y'all should find this interesting
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
Taking over a team with a 100-year WS drought after coming from a team he helped break a
similar streak? Yeah, I’d say expectations are high in the Windy City.
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else see the story that St Mary's College is moving a bunch of students onto a cruise ship while they fix a mold problem in the dorms?
when I was there, we had to eat our meals in a fucking tent with food that was prepared in a high school 10 miles away.
hahahahaha
That’s awesome!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
what time was muster?
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate when my Spaghetti-O's get cold
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
by Zeke McGeek on Oct 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I read that headline yesterday.
I didn’t get to read the article because I used up my 15 pages. Good-bye forever, Baltimore Sun website!
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds pretty exciting
a good crazy college story they’ll be able to tell for a while. However, I did read one student complain that he wouldn’t have a place to put his PC on the boat. As in his non-laptop PC. Sucks for that kid, no Starcraft II for him.
Wow. Nerd.
Get a laptop, fool!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaming on a laptop is not gaming.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't game so who knows.
I used to play a little starcraft in college, but that’s about it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't seen that about the cruise ship.
But I totally remember the tents and stuff.
I am from St. Mary’s County.
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
top o' the morning peeps!
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
you're late.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yet i feel early
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What does it feel like?
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sore, my eyes feel warmer than the rest of my body.
It’s really cold. I hate getting up earlier than 9. 9 is the perfect time to get up.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Here is my iPhone 4 on eBay. Unlike WW, I did not include a lovely floral arrangement in the pictures.
If you are inclined to bid, be my guest. At a minimum, feel free to “watch” it and drive up my page views.
kthxbye.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I am not motivated to buy unless there are flowers in the pic. Sorry.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Can I buy the couch?
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a daybed.
And a really, really nice one.
So, no.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You have seperate beds for the day and night?
Pssh you are a Hollywood liberal elite. Do you lie on your daybed and have women feed you organic grapes while you control the media?
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's a sensible, contemporary piece of furniture
i refuse to follow your example of sitting on my front porch on the rear seat of a van with springs coming out of its cushions.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
But there is no better piece of furniture than that to drown 40's on.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh man at my old apartment
there was a period where my back van seat was actually one of our pieces of furniture. It would tip over and fuck you up especially if you had a drink in your hand.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Oct 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did you paint the walls?
Why did you clean the floor?
Why did you plaster over the hole I punched in the door?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You got a bid and a watch brother!
GL
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks bro
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
auction reserves are my enemy.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
perhaps
but one can hardly expect someone to put up a smartphone without a reserve. too risky.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
i guarantee the item will sell for at least $285
and i would be shocked if it sold less than $300. Just look at the completed listing. There was one phone that sold for $199 but the glass was shattered.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Yeah, reserves are generally for suckers
There is a reason to use them, such as if you have a high value item that has a limited audience, but for something like an iPhone, you’re throwing away money by using a reserve.
not at all.
I can just re-list it next week with no reserve.
there’s no real risk to me to try it with one.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I never said there was risk
I said you’re throwing money away, which you are, as a reserve adds on costs, typically fairly large ones (in comparison to other eBay fees).
wha??
haha. maybe i missed that bit. how much is it adding on in costs?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
A couple of dollars
Which isn’t a lot in the grand scheme of things, but considering an auction starting a 0.01 with no reserve can be started for 0.10 or even free given the right conditions, a reserve isn’t worth it unless you’re selling (as I said) a high-value, limited-interest item.
yeah, i'm just more risk-averse I think
i don’t want to take any chance at all that somehow i fucked up the listing and nobody finds my phone desirable and it winds up going for spare change.
i already bought my 4S. this auction has to make back that price and then some. i have no doubts that a few people will step in. if they don’t, like i said, i’ll just re-list.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
anecdotal evidence
I’ve sold several phones on eBay over the years, started them all at a penny, and all ended up selling for just around whatever the market rate was for that particular model.
This is what generally happens
With something like an iPhone, there are more interested buyers at the average price in a given time than sellers. So you’ll almost always get what the average is.
When you have something like, say, an old piece of telecommunications equipment which was discontinued by the manufacturer, but continues to be used in legacy systems, then a reserve (or, really, a Buy It Now) is a smarter choice, as there might be one person in North America who needs it on a given week and without the reserve, it’ll sell for $10 or whatever.
Seriously
If you need to be sure it sells for a minimum, just have someone you know bid it to that price and save your money.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
that sounds like shenanigans to me
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
So?
If you don’t want it to sell for that price, it won’t. It’s the same as putting a reserve on, just costs you less and drives away no traffic. It’s a fail safe. I’ve never had to do it, but if a $300 item I was selling was about to sell for $80 bucks, I’d do it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i'm just not sure it's legal within the ebay TOS
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
yeah, not my thing.
i tend to be a rule-follower. but i think we’ve had this discussion before ad nauseum.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I do too for the most part
and like I said, I’ve never had to do it, but I would.
I’m the kinda guy that won’t run a red light at a dead intersection at 3am, but I’ll download music illegally (Disclaimer: I totally have never done that.)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Hehe... oh, this wasn't a joke.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa really? didn't know that either.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
what's your cut?
maybe i should have sent the phone to you. ;)
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
For selling for other people?
I subtract fees, then take 20% of what remains, but I handle shipping and other annoying details.
For an iPhone, it’s better for you to just sell it yourself, because they are a simple thing to sell.
i did that for my mom once
sold her car on ebay. But I only took 5% after fees. Now I feel like I got ripped off.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You charged YOUR MOM to sell a car on eBay?????????
That is so wrong.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
no. no, it's not.
she was going to take it to carmax and get fuck all for it because those guys are charlatans.
i promised her i’d do the work and beat their price by at least a grand. i got the car detailed, took about 40 pictures, and did test drives with prospective buyers. i spent about 10-15 hours of time on the sale (or more).
at the end of the day, she got an extra 2 grand, and i got a few hundred dollars.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
even after my explanation above?
my eBay talents aren’t free to family members. Just cheap.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
your explanation makes it slightly better
but still as Duck said IT’S YOUR MOM! haha
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
sold my mom's golf bag on ebay
she bought it, had seller’s remorse, and couldn’t return it. ended up selling it on ebay for a price greater than what she paid.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Actually, for higher value items, I take less
But if I’m going to spend 30 minutes of my time getting a $300 item sold for you, it needs to be worth my time. If I could instead spend that 30 minutes selling something of my own for $60, why would I waste my time selling your stuff, taking a 5% cut, and only getting $15 out of it?
that makes absolute sense
selling on ebay for a living must require a lot of those day-to-day cost/benefit calculations.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I'd hang myself.
I camdenchat for a living and that’s tedious enough.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorta...
It’s a business my uncle and I are in together. He goes to storage lot auctions and buys an entire lot of shit at once for like $200-300, then sorts through it. He brings the high value stuff to me and I put it on eBay and he pays me a salary.
We rarely sell stuff for other people, though we do on occasion when it’s worth our time. A few years ago, I sold the contents of a comic store for the owner of the building and brought in like $5000 for myself in a month.
So you're like a less famous version of the guys on that TV show?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I’m also a version of those guys that’s not full of utter bullshit and isn’t faked for the cameras.
Other than Dave Hester (asshole)
All the other people on those shows appear to be morons, save Barry Weiss who I like.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Well, from the few episodes I've seen, a lot of stuff is either faked or purposefully dramatized
We’ve been doing this for 7 years now and there’s never been a gun in a safe. Guns are always wrapped up in clothes or something.
Safes contain porn. Like ALL the time.
Also, no one has ever brought a midget to spy into a lot with night vision goggles. Or anything like that.
He's just exploiting a market inefficiency for midgets with night vision goggles.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
what do you guys do with the low-value stuff?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
really?
got any other tips? i might put a set of golf clubs soon.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Ugh, golf clubs
I hated selling golf clubs. They never got any money.
The only things I can really say are common sense stuff. Take lots of pictures. If you don’t want to pay eBay for additional pictures, host them on Photobucket and link them in your listing. Describe things in as much detail as you can.
And make sure you have the proper weight on items for shipping. Nothing sucks as much as selling something, then discovering because your weight was off by 5 pounds and it’s being shipped across the country, now you’ve lost $20-30 in shipping fees.
i think what HM is saying is that you’re driving away watchers with a reserve. i never follow auctions with reserves because i don’t want to get into the hassle of bidding on something that doesn’t meet the minimum price. i might watch an auction with a reserve if the seller lists the reserve price and it’s low.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
There is this too
Though in most cases, you’ll find someone else interested who doesn’t care, unless your reserve is right at the edge of where the item typically sells for.
If an item normally sells for $300 and you put a $300 reserve on it, you’ll drive off buyers. If you put a $200 reserve, the item will surpass the reserve and buyers will still push it toward $300.
that has been my experience in the past.
i’ve sold about 10 things on ebay over the years, and have always had a reserve. never been disappointed in any of the auctions, and my reserve was always met.
might i have made a few more $$ without? quite possibly. but that’s not my ultimate goal.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
meanwhile....
some Giants fan has become the second bidder on my phone. He has pushed the price to a dizzying $26.
Imagine if a Giants fan actually got away with buying your iPhone for $26? I think i’d stick my head in an oven.
Unless it was daveh. Which maybe it is.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
How do you know it's a Giant's fan?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
his/her eBay profile is a NY Giants logo.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
nope, my bad, it's some other kind of logo.
devils maybe?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
No, it's a Giants logo
I just changed it to a NJ instead of a NY, because that’s where they play, damnit!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
clever
that makes sense now. Because I immediately thought “Giants” until I went back and looked closely.
Nice grfx job.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
it's TOTALLY you, isn't it?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
No one is going to bed on it till the last 5 minutes.
I watched mine the whole time and nothing. With about 5 minutes to go I got like 9 bids or something.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been to bed on it many times.
But I don’t mention that in the listing.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
you actually concerned that i might win your phone weren't you?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Haha, nope.. I had someone else bid the $290 on it.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
SHENANIGANS!
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Trust me
Breaking that eBay TOS rewarded me with a lot of sleepless nights.
I can’t believe it… I even clicked “I Accept” and everything.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I do have to say
if you are going to do it, use a little common sense. I have 2 separate auctions I’m following where they obviously bid up their own item as it got close to the end, but they BOTH did it with brand new 0 feedback accounts. Then, as soon as they ended (within 5 minutes) they both offered me a 2nd chance option. Like the people won and then immediately said “oh shit, I don’t want it”.
I bought neither out of spite. They’re both re-listed and one guy has already bid himself up with the same account again.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I did look at completed listings.
My reserve is just over $300.
But without one, I risk the possibility that I picked the wrong week or timing or whatever and only get one bidder and s/he gets it for $85.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
For high-popularity items like an iPhone, this is so unlikely as to be not worth considering
There’s a non-zero chance that a meteor will strike you if you step outside your house. It’s not worth taking precautions against then.
it apparently cost me $3.15
i’m not gonna lose sleep over that.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
this should have been posted above, sorry
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
even a heavy used, beat up iphone 4 sold for $255. of course, this is before ebay and paypal take their cuts.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I would bid...
But nowhere did you specify what percentage of the iPhone’s memory is devoted to porn.
by Tezcatlipoca on Oct 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
RISK?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
mos def
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
that's 3......
c’mon people.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
if it's not too late...
hit me.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm out until 1.30 me time
So now you are back to 3
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been ages since I've played
(and I might get busy during the day)
But I’m game, if you need another
I have to pass now.
Just got a phone call that’s going to take me away for while.
That said, I’m sure there will be another game played before long……
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
This week's MuchO GustO was just posted!
It’s on the DSL Orioles. Sorry for the delay, a little stressed!
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Camden Chat is being really glitchy for me.
I click out of the BD and suddenly it says that there’s 132 comments instead of 134, then 131… then 135 comments with 2 new ones, except there’s not any new ones. Grr.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
I just spent 5 minutes choosing which pair of shoes I would wear today.
#styleis#1priority
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
one step....
BEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOND!
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm out
Someone go find MudDawg and make him submit diplomacy orders.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently we could see snow this weekend?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Neither is that?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Oh, so THAT was the point, was it?
And thus I break the meme
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
It seemed like the thing to do?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
You have to go with your gut?
I’m really enjoying this because I hear them all in my head with that question-mark raise at the end?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Like, you and I are a couple of 17 year old girls?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I especially like this comment ^^^^
Before we left Brooklyn, J and I used to pass a greek diner on Smith Street called the Carroll Gardens Diner or somesuch.
On the front of their menu, their tagline said
Why go anywhere else.
Somehow, without the question mark, it seemed kind of belligerent. After that every time we discussed where we’d order dinner from, one would turn to the other with a stern face and say, Why go anywhere else.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
not the ron burgundy comment, the parent comment about breaking the meme, obvi.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Well I have no idea.
That’s just what I was told. Browsed a few weather sites and didn’t see anything.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
weather.com says a chance of rain/snow mix from friday overnight in to saturday morning
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Dear Person playing "Turn The Page" out your window on autorepeat:
STOP IT.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
seger?
or metallica?
or does it even make a difference?
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
seger.
i actually love that song. but not more than once in a row.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
great sax solo
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
which came first...
turn the page or baker street?
i wonder if it’s the same guy and he parlayed his success into a long career w/ the monsters of 80s film scoring.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
oh man, i LOVE baker street
love the solo, love the “engine” sound, love that whole song. sentimental, but one of those songs that cuts right to the heart of a matter.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
somehow...
i figured you’d know what i was talking about.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The Foo Fighters version of that song
may be the best cover song in the history of recorded music.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
wait, what?
i do not know of this.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
oh...
it’s pretty good, but definitely a little tongue in cheek.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
by rebuttal
come on, tell me this isn’t awesome
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
surely you mean
“my ears have strangled my brain in pure, unadulterated joy”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's how you wish to translate that statement
Far be it from me to keep you from doing so.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
wait, which Love Song?
Tesla? The Cure?
Anyway, more awesome covers:
Indigo Girls covering Dire Straits Romeo and Juliet
Yngwie Malmsteen and Ronnie James Dio covering Aerosmith Dream On
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The Cure is awesome.
The Jack Off Jill version takes the song in a different direction, though, which is the most important thing for a cover song to do, in my opinion. If it’s just a band playing as close to the original as possible, what’s the point?
fair enough, I'll have to give it a shot
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind...
If you don’t like pseudo-gothy music, you might not enjoy Jack Off Jill, which kinda is important for liking the cover version.
Haha
Love it
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It is essentially the kind of music I'd be into
I love Jack Off Jill. One of my favorite late-90s bands that no one’s really heard of.
Also, Jessicka, their lead singer, is hot.
has kind of a Concrete Blonde vibe to it
not usually the vocal quality I’m into, but I think it works for this song. Nice guitar.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pfft... George Thorogood. Any cover.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
by NSOsFan on Oct 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite cover is
Johnny Cash’s version of Hurt.
I like the NiN version, but Johnny singing those lyrics as he was coming towards the end was pretty powerful. At least to me, anyway.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
worst cover ever
(referencing subthread): the Ataris mangling “Boys of Summer”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
this.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They're both pretty bad, but..
Limp Bizkit is just a much much much more horrid band that the Ataris. The Ataris are, at worst, just inoffensively bland. Limp Bizkit makes me weep tears of blood.
but "Boys of Summer"
to me, defines the 1980s. I mean, seriously, it’s in my top 5 songs ever.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well, think of the 5 best songs from 1990-1999
and then imagine someone taking a long, slow dump over one of those 5 songs that you grew up with
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
also
what are the 5 best songs from 1990-1999?
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it has a lot of MC Hammer on it?
But seriously: I thought a lot of music trends in the ’90s sucked, so I was curious what someone might offer as a real top-5 list. And if you put Nirvana on it, I will lose all respect for you and punch you.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don't really like Nirvana
I mean, I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is a good song, but it’s not like a top song or anything.
It would probably have Closer by Nine Inch Nails on it, though.
It's always an interesting question.
I don’t know if I can answer “best”, but 5 songs that most scream “90s” to me, I can do.
Rage Against the Machine (your favorite song from their first 3 albums – I’m going with Take The Power Back)
Green Day (your favorite song from Dookie – I’m going with Welcome to Paradise)
Smashing Pumpkins – Bullet with Butterfly Wings
Pearl Jam – Black (this is because duck will freak out otherwise)
Harvey Danger – Flagpole Sitta
That last is the most 90s thing. “I’m not sick, but I’m not well” – that’s the 90s in a nutshell.
I would give you 4/5ths of a different list tomorrow, probably.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Harvey Danger.
Oh, are we not playing the “what song is very, very, very much not like the others”?
Mother, did it need to be so high.
My 90s are complete without them.
The 90s for me, particularly the late 90s, was the obligatory teenage rebellion, vague dissatisfaction with the world you are growing up in.
Of course, in hindsight this makes sense, because the late 90s teenager is about to get hammered with the 00s.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good choices all
Although I like “Private Helicopter” or “Caroltta Valdez” off WhereHaveAllTheMerrymakersGone? more than “Flagpole Sitta”.
Admit it, you’re speechless I knew that album, aren;t you?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
This will show some ignorance on my part
But I’ve never heard of Harvey Danger.
Up here, the 90s became a bit more home-centric, and we were happy as hell when the Tragically Hip appeared on SNL.
Tragically Hip – Nautical Disaster
Moist – Push
Sloan – Everything You’ve Done Wrong
I Mother Earth – Not Quite Sonic
Stuff like that.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
tragically hip...
criminally underrated.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
As is Sloan.
And almost never mentioned in the same sentence as the better selling grunge bands.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
sloan is grunge?
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They were lumped in because they had a couple of songs that had that sound
So it’s easy to confuse em for grunge, but most of their stuff is decidedly alt-rock/pop-rock.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
If it makes you feel any better...
…the song I listed is the only Harvey Danger I know, really. Still gets played on DC’s rock/alternative station every now and again, so it’s stayed fresh in my mind.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the rest of that disc
Very, very good stuff.
Went with a live version of Carlotta Valdez Here’s the studio version if you so desire.
Private Helicopter is awesome as well.
Jack the Lion is quality too.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Okay...good point.
But Boys of Summer sucked.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You obviously haven't heard Miley Cyrus attempting "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
crap original, worse cover
not even in the running
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Never heard it
but the very thought is disturbing. Ick.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i love the tori amos version of that song
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
She does interesting things to Slayer's "Raining Blood"
The guitarist who wrote it said it took him like a minute to find a place in the song where he recognized where she was.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
?
okay, that wins “weirdest mashup of the day”
next you’ll tell me there’s a Bangles version of “2 Legit 2 Quit”
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
happens pretty much every time that song comes up
I much prefer the NiN version, but I dig the Cash version too.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
love that cover as well. love the original as well.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I'd say they're about equal
But you can’t really compare them, because they’re such different songs despite being, ostensibly, the same.
I feel like Cash put soul into a song that was otherwise simply angst.
He elevated it. Made it perfect.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
I have the exact opposite reaction
I find the Cash version much less soulful.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That's a crazy statement
Considering how many people were copying and covering each other in the onset of rock and roll. There have been so many good covers that people don’t know who the original songwriter even was. There’s a good chance your favorite song was first written by Otis Redding, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, etc. 50+ years ago.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head
Bob Marley – I Shot the Sheriff (covered by Eric Clapton)
Otis Redding – Respect (covered by Aretha Franklin)
J.J. Cale – Cocaine (covered by Eric Clapton)
The Beatles – I Wanna be Your Man (Written by Lennon/McCartney but practically given to the Stones to be one of their first singles)
Fleetwood Mac – Black Magic Woman (covered by Santana)
My vote for “Best” –
Bob Dylan/Jimi Hendrix – All Along the Watchtower
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
shorter AMD
Eric Clapton is awesome
(and by the way, I endorse that message.)
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hank III's cover of
Those Poor Bastards’ Pills I Took
or his version of ’I’m the only hell my mama ever raised’.
I drink more brewsters than Punky
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 27, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
3's "Pills I Took" is good
but his version of “Atlantic City” is almost unlistenable.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
perhaps you should put the metallica version on autorepeat?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Dumb question
On my Twitter app on my phone, I can click the @ symbol and it will pull up a list of everything people are saying to the person.
But on the website, I don’t see that option. Only things they retweeted.
Am I missing something or is that only available on the phone?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
type "@xxxxx" in search box at top and it will give it to you
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Thanks brah!
I don’t use twitter THAT much but Im starting to more and more.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i actually almost never use it
but i remembered that from needing to do the same thing at one point.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
That asshole on ebay just upbid himself again!
I can’t wait until he offers me the second chance offer again. What a tool.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i had this issue...
w. the u.s. outpost of a chinese manifacturer that was doing all these buy it now or best offer deals. every offer i’d submit, they’d come back about $2 below the buy it now. some offer, bud!
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But I want the sax!
If I don’t win it I’ll report it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Just say no ....
… to Oswalt & Reyes.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
It would be
Contrary to DCO'sfan, I am Jewish.
by J(O's)elskIL on Oct 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
good luck with that
He’s the second-best FA pitcher, and after the Red Sox and Yankees bid C.J. Wilson up to $20+MM per year and 6 years, you really think Oswalt is going to take a flyer/gimme deal??
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also as long as there are no squirrels nearby.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
is Duchshererererer available?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I heard he's pretty good
injury risk, though
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's with the Ravens now
Goes by the alias “Lee Evans”
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes we don't need
But Oswalt would be worth a look.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
Except for the fact that he's likely to cost a lot as pointed out above.
Signing high priced FA’s that are at risk of entering the down side of their career is exactly the sort of move the O’s need to stay away from.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Dang
Cooley is getting crushed for saying that he was a casualty of the lockout.
A) Have we seen his last game as a Redskin?
B) Will he ever be an effective player again?
C) Weil he ever play football again after this season?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
He lost his effectiveness before the lockout, so I think his comments are pretty off-base.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
also
don’t do a google image search for Chris Cooley
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he had a career high in yards last year.
So I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say here.
/OsFan21’d
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he tied a career high in yards last season.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT
"I think it was a shame that they didn’t let players who had surgery spend time with the doctors and trainers that they trust on a daily basis. I wish I could’ve. I think what I went through in July, I could’ve went through in March. I started doing things and it slowly swelled up and I wasn’t here. I can ice it at home and do things at home … But I’ve never been through it before."
Hey Chris! During the lockout, you were a private citizen! You are in the middle of a 6-year, $30M contract, and will make $3M this coming year. Do you really think you couldn’t have gone to see any doctors you wished at any facility of your choosing as a private citizen? You had that option. You just chose not to pay for it.
I used to be a huge Cooley fan, but he’s reminding me more and more of Shockey every day.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I can see where he's coming from, especially this part:
the doctors and trainers that they trust
These were likely the doctors and trainers that advocated for, or at least advised him on, the surgery in the first place. Before making a decision like that, you likely rely on having those same people available throughout the entire process.
right, but my point is this
they WERE available to him. just not on the Redskins’ dime.
I’m sure that the regular Redskins doctors are independent physicians with their own practices who contract independently for the team. there’s not reason he couldn’t have seen them on his own.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
at least,
every othropedic surgeon i’ve ever worked with who treats athletes has done so on an independent basis.
if there are doctors who are actually employees of the team, I’d be surprised. and if I was injured, I’d run the other way, since they obviously wouldn’t have enough regular business to stay current.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
There's a difference between the doctor who performs the surgery...
And the trainers and physicians who rehab the injury, I would assume.
trainers i am sure are on payroll
rehab physicians, i’d be surprised. really we’re talking about physical therapists.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I doubt he rehabbed entirely on his own
I read it as him complaining about being prohibited from discussing his rehab with the team trainers that otherwise would have directed the process
but seriously?
like those guys are so much more aware than other specialized PTs and trainers?
it’s just sour grapes. There’s no reason to believe he could not have gotten an equal or better quality of care on his own. There’s also no reason to assume if he had trained with those same therapists and there had been no lockout that he wouldn’t have had the same issues he’s having now.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Theres no guarantee he wouldn't have had the same problems
but you do build a level of trust with those trainers, and you want consistent treatment. I don’t doubt the possibility that switching trainers and doctors for the offseason could have had ill effects. And even if it did, it very well could have had a psychological impact on him where not being able to follow the same routines is now causing him to doubt the success of his recovery.
yeah, i hear you
it’s one thing to think that
it’s quite another to publicly state “this is all the lockout’s fault” like it’s some absolute.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Maybe theres more to the statement than quoted above
It doesn’t seem to me like he’s making an absolute statement, just that he understandably thought the circumstances kinda sucked and regretted not being able to choose the care he wanted. On some level I’m sure he’s making excuses, but i don’t think there unreasonable ones.
full statement
from WaPo
Two days after he was placed on the season-ending injured reserve list, Washington Redskins tight end Chris Cooley called himself a "casualty of the [NFL] lockout," because he was prohibited from rehabilitating his surgically-repaired knee at the team facility this offseason.
"I feel 100 percent – and I’m not blaming anybody. I feel one hundred percent that I am a casualty for the season, of the lockout," Cooley said. "I think it was a shame that they didn’t let players who had surgery spend time with the doctors and trainers that they trust on a daily basis. I wish I could’ve. I think what I went through in July, I could’ve went through in March. I started doing things and it slowly swelled up and I wasn’t here. I can ice it at home and do things at home … But I’ve never been through it before."
He has had his knee drained 15 times this season. I don’t think that’s just because he was rehabbing at home.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
He couldn't have any contact with any team employee
These include, you know, the trainers and doctors that he trusts on a daily basis.
Anyone like House Hunters?
Not anymore. I just heard a story from a coworker about her friend who was on the show (Chris in DC if anyone watches it religiously). They won’t put you on the show unless you already have an offer in that you have accepted, so that you don’t get outbid on the one you picked or don’t get it for whatever reason and they can’t come back and do the “a few weeks later” scenes. So the entire thing is fake.
This dude Chris put an offer in and agreed to be on House Hunters (for $500), and the people told him it would take two months for them to come see him and the house had to be empty when they got there. So he sat in an empty house he just bought for two months. Then when they got there they filmed him in his empty house, and brought him to see two new places that he had never seen before (so those reactions are real). And then of course he “picks” the house he already owns.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
"Reality" TV is mostly staged?
Next you’ll tell me that on Pawn Stars, they don’t keep dragging people outside during the middle of negotiations to get their thoughts on the process.
and that the Orioles are going to avoid signing
thirty-something Type A free agent relievers to multi-year deals
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I get that
Wolfgang Puck’s shitty shows have been busted multiple times.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Oct 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes sense, actually
Always wondered how they never missed out on a house.
If you ever watch Property Virgins, you actually do see people miss out on houses and not end up buying one at all
can't we go back to arguing about hot chicks instead of milk?
man the off-season sucks
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Oct 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here you go

Mother, did it need to be so high.
by salvotion on Oct 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
holymittens just covered his eyes
you need to warn him before you post a picture of a skinny blonde
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Something about your wording is wrong.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I think it's just fine the way it is
I’m just mad he didn’t provide any links.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I wasn't sure.
Glad we could clear that up. I approve of bad grammar for comedy.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Still such a tragedy that show only got one season.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So, so tragic
Imagine what they could have done with, I don’t know, three more…
Hey, while we’re at it, why didn’t George Lucas make anymore Star Wars movies after Empire Strikes Back?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Jedi?
Or is this some kind of inside Star Wars joke I don’t know about.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Ewoks?
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
It's a TRAP
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Because Ewoks suck as bad at Mark Hammill's haircut
And don’t get me started on how Lucas had Boba Fett go out like a bitch…
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Oct 27, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Stacey were here I'd be perfectly happy posting pictures of baby animals
And just fawning over them.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
I missed an argument about organic farming?
Fuck, I know so much about the industrial food chain it’s disgusting, did a whole bunch of work on it last year.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
Trying to read the whole thing first.
If anyone wants to read a paper I wrote about the industrial food chain though, hit me up!
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
At the minimum it become a regular fuck fest.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Hey, guys!
The Orioles will interview their own director of player development, John Stockstill, for the GM position Friday, according to Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun (on Twitter).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/orioles-front-office-notes-watson-scouting-.html
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
What a remarkable coincidence
Maybe the Dempster is under consideration, too.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the collective sound of Orioles fans barfing simultaneously?
Mother, did it need to be so high.
fucking fuck...
pretty much swearing off the o’s if stockstill is hired.
"If it sounded like I was delighted by Tony Romo’s failure last week, I was."
-chris cooley
by j.q. higgins on Oct 27, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, now we really do need O'sfan21.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
No you don't
What a crock of fucking shit. This fucking team is so fucking ridiculous.
More?
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
My apologies DC.
As soon as I hit the post button I remembered how you stood in for him while he was on his Montana rafting trip.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
C'mon Orioles
With the way the Redskins operate I think I may die young because of the fucking sports teams I follow.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
The Orioles haven't killed me yet.
Although at least I have the Ravens too – Monday night’s disaster notwithstanding.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about it in these terms:
Every time Graham Gano (insert any Redskins kicker) misses a field goal, I have a momentary heart attack. Every time a Redskins QB throws an interception, I have a momentary heart attack. Every time Sexy Rexy throws an interception, I somehow injure myself.
Now this… this will make me angry for an extended period of time, which all adds up to… heart attack at what, 50?
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
You could always find productive outlets for the anger.
Unleashing copious amounts of swearing on internet discussion boards centering around being a fan of a particular terrible sports team, for instance, has a certain therapeutic effect.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Guitars plugged into Marshall amps
As a chick, you could easily front a band and get signed.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Have the decency to use new/recent Marshalls
Musicians Friend is blowing ’em out.
he's no pedro strop! - j.q. higgins
by fishoutawata on Oct 27, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i fucking hope so.
they interviewed rick dempsey for manager so hoping that was a polite formality as well.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
best case scenario
But watch that not be the case. Just watch.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Maybe it exists to make all the other candidates look better in the eyes of the fans who are paying attention!
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We can only hope this is the equivalent of Rick Dempsey always getting an interview for manager.
But we know he’s never going to get hired. (we hope he’s never going to get hired)
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Oct 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I literally can't believe that my first reaction was that of surprise.
Just the fact that they are interviewing this guy speaks volumes about the organization. Loyalty over accountability, the good ship lollipop is going to turn around any second now…I hate this fucking team sometimes.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
That's the kicker, isn't it?
There are things where we all have poor expectations of the Orioles around here. We aren’t deluded. We know things are bad. And still there are those things that come along and you’re still surprised by them, even thinking you’re already expecting the worst.
I mean, the #1 burning question here on CC is whether the new GM will sweep away one or both Stockstills, and now we hear they’ve interviewed a Stockstill for being the new GM. What do you even say sometimes?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As soon as I read this I wanted to start drinking...
I needed to come here for my support group…. STUPIDEST THING EVER
When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME
Next step for Siri....
….telling your television what you want to watch.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Followed by:
Televisions striking for better living conditions.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
followed by the creation of skynet
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a… fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am Siri. I became operational at the Apple plant in Beijing, China on the 14th of October 2011. My instructor was Mr. Jobs, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Daisy, daisy, give me your answer true.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I've been playing a 6 person game of dark risk where you can't see anything about the armies.
I have Asia, Aust., Europe, and Africa right now.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
You guys are just so distant lately.
We are only having 3 or 4 people at a time. I like being able to do it with 6. It’s not like to talk to them while I do it.
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm leaving you.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
have fun playing risk,
BY YOURSELF!
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Oct 27, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We're just really into milk right now
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 27, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not all CC discussions can be about bejeweled shoes and cupcakes!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I blame the community guidelines for that!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
did you catch my comment about baby animal photos?
I think that’s much more fun.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.

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