Community Projections vs. Reality, Round One: The Infield
Way back in March, there was a little community game on Camden Chat where we invited our site members to post their statistical predictions about specific Orioles players for the 2011 season. The season has come and gone, and so has the postseason that the O's just barely missed. It's also not quite hot stove season yet since there's no GM or president of baseball operations to stoke the fire. This is a good time to see how the community projections lived up to reality.
Back in the first Camdencast, Andrew and I talked about how it seemed like the community, collectively, was seriously high on orange Kool-Aid. With everything said and done, let's find out just how high.
These were the aggregate Camden Chat preseason predictions from all participating members for the infield:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Wieters | - | 474 | 28 | 20 | 57 | 93 | 3 | 2 | 0.284 | 0.357 | 0.444 |
| Derrek Lee | 143 | 535 | 32 | 24 | 71 | 119 | 2 | 2 | 0.281 | 0.364 | 0.472 |
| Brian Roberts | 142 | 557 | 42 | 10 | 71 | 95 | 28 | 8 | 0.287 | 0.361 | 0.431 |
| J.J. Hardy | 136 | 507 | 26 | 17 | 47 | 83 | 4 | 2 | 0.277 | 0.334 | 0.436 |
| Mark Reynolds | 150 | 542 | 27 | 36 | 77 | 196 | 13 | 5 | 0.248 | 0.340 |
0.505 |
And now for the cruelest dream, reality:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Wieters | 139 | 500 | 28 | 22 | 48 | 84 | 1 | 0 | 0.262 | 0.328 | 0.450 |
| Derrek Lee | 85 | 334 | 15 | 12 | 25 | 83 | 2 | 1 | 0.246 | 0.302 | 0.404 |
| Brian Roberts | 39 | 163 | 7 | 3 | 12 | 21 | 6 | 1 | 0.221 | 0.273 | 0.331 |
| J.J. Hardy | 129 | 527 | 27 | 30 | 31 | 92 | 0 | 0 | 0.269 | 0.310 | 0.491 |
| Mark Reynolds | 155 | 534 | 27 | 37 | 75 | 196 | 6 | 4 | 0.221 | 0.323 | 0.483 |
Some of that kind of makes you want to cry a little bit. Let's look at each position in greater detail.
Catcher, Matt Wieters:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Predicted | - | 474 | 28 | 20 | 57 | 93 | 3 | 2 | 0.284 | 0.357 | 0.444 |
| Reality | 139 | 500 | 28 | 22 | 48 | 84 | 1 | 0 | 0.262 | 0.328 | 0.450 |
| Prediction - Reality | - | -26 | 0 | -2 | 9 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 0.022 | 0.029 | -0.006 |
The Wieters we saw strongly resembles the Wieters we collectively thought we were going to get. In terms of doubles and home run power, we got almost exactly what we picked. We thought he would get more hits than he did, and if he'd walked nine more times, that would have been worth 16 points of OBP. We guessed an OPS of .801 and he delivered a .778. An optimist would point out that he had a strong August and September and that may be closer to his true talent level than we have seen before, so across the full season next year it may be even better.
First Base, Derrek Lee:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Predicted | 143 | 535 | 24 | 24 | 71 | 119 | 2 | 2 | 0.281 | 0.364 | 0.472 |
| Reality | 85 | 334 | 15 | 12 | 25 | 83 | 2 | 1 | 0.246 | 0.302 | 0.404 |
We predicted 60% more at-bats for Lee than he actually got for the Orioles. He played less for us due to the deadline trade to the Pirates. If Lee's numbers stayed at a constant pace he would have gotten 24 doubles for the Orioles, and 19 home runs. In that sense, we weren't far off, but you can see where the problem arose in walks and strikeouts: he walked much less and struck out slightly more. We guessed an OPS of .836 and got an OPS of .706, so we were off by 130 points.
Second Base, Brian Roberts:
I'm not even going to compare what we guessed against reality because it'd be way too depressing. We all have to come to grips with the possibility that we may never see Roberts play another game, and if he does, that he will never perform close to the level of the spark plug player we came to love.
Shortstop, J.J. Hardy:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Predicted | 136 | 507 | 26 | 17 | 47 | 83 | 4 | 2 | 0.277 | 0.334 | 0.436 |
| Reality | 129 | 527 | 27 | 30 | 31 | 92 | 0 | 0 | 0.269 | 0.310 | 0.491 |
| Prediction - Reality | 7 | -20 | -1 | -13 | 16 | -9 | 4 | 2 | 0.008 | 0.024 | -0.055 |
When the O's traded for JJ, we heard about the injury potential, and we predicted he'd miss maybe 18 games due to injury. He was on the DL from April 10 to May 8 and missed 25 games in that time. We were close. He ended up with more ABs than we thought, perhaps because he walked less than we thought, and struck out more. Chicks dig the long ball, though, and we'll take 30 bombs and solid play in the field any time. JJ begins a 3 year/$22.25M extension next season. We'll take an .801 OPS for that price, although if he wants to walk some more and keep hitting bombs, that would be great too.
Third Base, Mark Reynolds:
| G | AB | 2B | HR | BB | K | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Predicted | 150 | 542 | 27 | 36 | 77 | 196 | 13 | 5 | 0.248 | 0.340 | 0.505 |
| Reality | 155 | 534 | 27 | 37 | 75 | 196 | 6 | 4 | 0.221 | 0.323 | 0.483 |
| Prediction - Reality | -5 | 8 | 0 | -1 | 2 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 0.027 | 0.017 | 0.022 |
The line from G through to K is a thing of beauty for the aggregate wisdom of the prognosticators. We thought we were getting a pretty durable Three True Outcomes kind of player, and he played in almost every game, hit bombs, walked and struck out almost exactly in accordance with our collective imagination. Pat yourselves on the back for this one, CC. I don't know what was up with guessing 13 stolen bases, and sure, we were a bit optimistic on his batting slash line, predicting an OPS of .845 when he delivered a .806. This is who Mark Reynolds is, though, and we seemed to know this even before we ever saw him play in a regular season game. Hopefully next year he won't be listed at third base.
Outfield/DH and rotation posts to come, probably, provided that I don't drown in apathy after the LaCava news that came out last night as I was writing this post.
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Our predictions don't seem too far off, all things considered
We thought D-Lee wouldn’t flat out suck and that Roberts would play, but the rest are pretty ok predictions.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
Just wait until he gets to the pitcher projections ;)
Among other things, my orange-colored glasses predicted a nearly full season from Duchscherer and a pretty decent progression from Matusz.
I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry.
I'm just posting the mean projections, not pointing out anyone's specific prediction.
Maybe I will highlight mine if it was especially ridiculous.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know
I’m just thinking that, if I had to take a guess, our averaged rotation projections were probably the most disparate from reality, owing in small part to my own kool-aid-ian submissions there ;)
Half the fun is pointing out who made the most outlandish predictions.
by Stacey on Nov 2, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish I'd have come back when you guys did this!
I wonder what my insane predictions would have been?
This wasn't for the player projections, but
not only did I predict that Matusz’s ERA would be lower than the price of gas, I also predicted it would be under 3. Oh, man, fuck me.
The D-Lee predictions would be a lot closer if...
we counted his last couple months with the Pirates. The reduced AB’s hurt the totals, and given he has been a 2nd-half player as of late, it’s not unreasonable to think that he would have performed similarly well the final two months had he stayed with Baltimore as he did playing with Pittsburgh. He still fell short, but not by a ridiculous amount.
As for Roberts...
He looked pretty good the first few weeks of the season. Then he hit a pretty bad slump before he hit the DL with the concussion. If he does indeed play next year, I wouldn’t write him off just yet. Markakis has had early season slumps like that and wound up with A-OK numbers by season’s end after having the opportunity to play out of it. We shall see.
I believe the moral of the story is...
We’re too smart for our own good and that’s depressing. If we predict that all of our players are going to hit .198 with 3 homers for the season, then no matter what they do (Roberts excepted), we’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Group firstbump re: Reynolds
A review of the pitching staff ought to be fun.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Nothing matters. All is lost. Here comes John Standstill.
In 1983, John Elway, the Colts’ first round draft choice refused to come to Baltimore. The Colts, then owned by Bob Irsay, were dysfunctional. Elway, who had been drafted by the Yankees, threatened to play baseball. Does any of this sound familiar.
I think next year
Wieters will be the star we all expect him to be at some point. And I think I’m in man love with JJ Hardy
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