We interrupt your Orioles talk for a comment on off-season conduct
Please note this isn't in response to anything specific that has happened so far, but given the general tenor of a few conversations in the open threads so far this off season and experience from off seasons past, I thought it appropriate to throw out a few guidelines for the next few months.
I know that without much actual baseball to discuss, we tend to get antsy and the open threads take on a life of their own as any and all subjects get argued and people get heated. I know that some of you think this is a hoot, but a lot of other people, myself included, do not. It creates a tense atmosphere and a hostile environment for anyone not in the group who participates in these heated off-topic discussions. You might not care about that, but I do. I want everyone to to feel as welcome as possible, and that doesn't exactly create the kind of atmosphere that I'm interested in having here.
So, as the off season drags on and the randomness of the open threads ensue, here are some quick guidelines:
- If you find yourself typing something that makes you think, "Should I be typing this?" the answer is probably no.
- Address the argument, not the person. That means you are not at liberty to tell people they are stupid because they disagree with you, or that they should go to hell, or anything else inflammatory about a person. This line gets crossed way too often around here and I'm putting down the hammer.
- I know some of you think it's adorable to purposely bring up controversial topics, but do us all a favor and use some discretion.
- If you find yourself and another person saying the same things over and over and over to each other with no new information, be the bigger person and just stop replying.
- If Eat More Esskay, Andrew_G, duck, zknower, the long lost 2632, or I tell you to chill out, chill out. Seriously. And if we ask that a certain topic be dropped or not discussed, pay heed.
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more taste, less filling
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
by Zeke McGeek on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Chickens ...
… Athletes or dinner?
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Go to hell!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It was a joke!
Preexisting rapport.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
On a serious note, Stacey does have a point
Pick a random Open Thread from last winter. Would you feel welcome to comment if you weren’t a regular here?
That said, I’m just as guilty as anyone. And no one’s asking for opinionless robots as commentors.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I actually did that after Stacey posted this.
I went into the archives and picked a random thread from just before the first Spring Training game. It certainly would have made it less likely for me to become a contributing member if that had been my first experience with Camden Chat.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
As long as we can stop the bigotry
against short sleeve dress shirts. Then I’ll be OK.
Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
I think that one comes straight from the top.
Fashion oppression is still in style around here.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
"But Sipowicz does it!"
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
Yeah,
that one was a real turn off.
I’m still trying to cope with the emotional fallout every time I look in my closet.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Bacon a condiment. Yes or no?
Discuss.
"If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause."
- George Clinton
Address the argument, not the person. That means you are not at liberty to tell people they are stupid because they disagree with you, or that they should go to hell, or anything else inflammatory about a person. This line gets crossed way too often around here and I’m putting down the hammer.
And address the argument in a friendly manner or else the line between the person and argument will get blurred.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
And there's definitely arguments that experience here at Camden Chat dictates we shouldn't address at all...
1) A*******
2) MLB teams in Japan
3) Birdman’s mom
4) Penn State
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez....and duck gets on ME for making jokes.
You’re not helping things here, kba!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
My b.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
but I mock out of respect!
and it certainly doesn’t mean I’m not actually listening to your request.
this.
well…throw in preexisting rapport.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was joking about 3), obviously...
But I was actually trying to make a serious point. There are topics that our history tells us are going to devolve into nastiness and it’d be good to preemptively avoid those topics. I may have made that point in a bad way, but I was choosing topics where I had specifically seen nastiness develop, which would naturally be topics I was involved with.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...was he wrong about birdman's mom?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not even sure what #1 is
i just wanted to be disagreeable since i usually don’t get involved in those conversations at all
We can't touch Birdman's mom?
Gotta be the first group that’s been told that…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I just want to say something...
When I first started to lurk here in 2009, I was leery about commenting because the community felt very tight-knit, and almost cliquey. I did make a stupid mistake when I wrote a two sentence fanpost and was berated, rightfully so. I went back to lurking. When I did start posting on a regular basis, I still felt like an outsider. Some of you have been posting here for several years, and coupled with being a young kid, for a while I never broke into the pack. I came here from Yahoo and I could sense a lot of resentment because the community was growing, which in my mind was a positive thing. Sure, we had guys like chuckthefan posting here and coming off like a moron, but for the most part I think the growth has been good and beneficial.
But what is this about? I’ve noticed that over the past few months I think CC has been better about welcoming people and making them feel part of a community. And that’s a really good thing. Sure, we have our inside jokes and we do provide a heavy dose of snark, which new members may not understand at first, but we’ve developed a better awareness of what our comments might mean to new members… even in the off-season.
I’ll admit that there are times where I still feel like I’m not really part of this community, but it’s much better than a few months ago. Anyway, I think Stacey’s advice is important because in the past we’ve had problems. Sorry for the rambling…
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
haha
your annoying fanpost was about the end of me being a regular poster. I was so surprised to see you as a respected member two years later when I checked in.
by NickMarkaces on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
didn’t cause it at all. Just fell in line with me graduating high school and not being able to be as active of a member.
by NickMarkaces on Nov 23, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if this is true or not,
but I can’t stop laughing.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 22, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughts from a Newbie
Post on the Internet at the peril of your dignity and the risk of having heaping helpings of scorn placed upon you for using a comma when you should have used a semi-colon (the horror!).
I naturally don’t like to comment much if I’m not comfortable with the people here, heck my own brother is a major contributor (that actually makes it worse). But I do want to say that I have not once been made to feel unwelcome here and if I post sporadically it;s only because 1) I’m very busy, 2) I have nothing to add to the conversion or I’m really late to the conversation and 3) I certainly don’t want to seem like an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to baseball (only last week did I finally learn what wOBA and WAR meant). So thank you, for not going out of your way to make me feel like an idiot and being somewhat welcoming.
I certainly don’t want to seem like an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to baseball
I wouldn’t worry about this. We rarely talk about baseball.
by kba26 on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bwhahaha
this is true. If you know anything about cupcakes, you’re golden here.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 22, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cupcakes are more interesting than Baltimore baseball.
And certainly better than Pie.
For sure in Open Threads
We rarely talk about baseball.
O’s are too depressing.
"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)
yeah, it does make it worse
you watch yourself.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
You were my first guess ...
.., for who his brother was.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
- Patrick Henry –
Fishbone...
so excellent.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 22, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd just like to add that we're not going to be cruising around looking to ban people for making your mom jokes.
The thing that drives me nuts, and I feel like probably would scare off new people, is when there’s some argument on a topic we’ve had 10+ arguments about in the past where two or three people are going back and forth and it’s indented to the maximum and you can’t see anything else, and everyone who comes to the thread after that has to scroll through 100 posts of this to get to actual discussion.
It’s not good for CC when every thread is blowing up with that stuff. It’s okay if people are jovial and silly and having a good time doing that, but it’s not good when the rancor is practically palpable between the involved parties.
If mods are out of a thread and come back and see one of these things, the people involved shouldn’t be surprised if next time you go to post, you have a warning or a ban message. This thread is your first warning. Other SBN sites make use of short-length bans to remind people to chill out when necessary and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Nobody is looking to ban you, whoever you are, unless you’re a troll from another site in which case, yes, I am looking to ban you.
But if you are a member of CC and someone who loves the Orioles, I’m not looking to ban you, even for just a day. Think before you wade into the 99th debate on the same topic or a similar one – or if you must, then keep it absolutely civil and drop it some point before it’s 50 posts later – and you will never even notice or run afoul of our current effort to keep things under control.
This is the carrot: you, as a CC member, can do your part, by not getting into insane arguments, towards keeping CC the kind of place people want to come and talk (about the Orioles or whatever) and be with like-minded individuals – more or less, though you may disagree sometimes – perhaps even friends. An awesome place that wins Mobbie awards because it’s the best place on the internet to both get your Orioles news and have a place to talk about it (or anything else) with other informed O’s fans.
Hopefully none of us ever need the stick. Be mindful, though: it is there.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 22, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions
Fight the oppression!!!

Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 22, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
and
Andrew does need to move out of his mom’s basement.
The person who introduced Andrew to baseball and the O's
by QTess on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
Lessons from baseball
I know some of you think it’s adorable to purposely bring up controversial topics, but do us all a favor and use some discretion.
If we’ve learned one thing from the Orioles career of Felix Pie, it’s that being adorable is no guard against being terrible.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Nov 22, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions
We should have designated debate fanposts!
"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."
by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions
I am a random poster on the internet, and I approve this message.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
my mom is a celebrity on camden chat.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
My rule of thumb is: Once the chat queue gets smashed over on the right side, there’s nothing good that can come of it.
My second rule of thumb is: Sign some goddamn free agents.
Happy Thanksgiving, Yall.
how about
don’t jump all over new posters for bringing up something you’ve already discussed ad nauseum. not everyone lurks for a year.
just something that pissed me off when i was new.
If rules are followed
nobody needs to complain.
My visits became much less frequent in and shortly after 2008 when the campaign was happening...
… and a high-ranking member here referred to my preferred political candidate using a very unflattering term. I didn’t say anything, but it definitely made coming here less fun.
Then again, OH just banned someone for not using proper capitalization and punctuation and then mildly snarking about it when reprimanded. So this place is quite a bit more lenient.
In fairness...
…I care a lot more about capitalization and punctuation than I do about any candidate for political office.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Nov 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Way I see it
contempt can be expressed for public figures (politics, media, sports, entertainment, sports-entertainment) in whatever terms the poster wishes – as long as it does NOT spill over to anyone on the board.
Several other posters have had civilized disagreements with me over this, although I’ve yet to read an official policy regarding it.
"If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause."
- George Clinton

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