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DETROIT, MI - NOVEMBER 24:  Nickelback performs at halftime during the Thanksgiving Day game between the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions at Ford Field on November 24, 2011 in Detroit, Michigan.  (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

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The new laptop

has seriously improved my ability to monitor all the nfl games at the same time

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously!

You’re buying expensive laptops and you can’t pay your 50 bucks! That’s probably preventing me from getting the 10 bucks I’m owed….

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

haha I sent it to you earlier today

that’s what made me realize kba was still $10 short

by Stacey on Nov 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea lol....didn't realize my email had cut out.

When I signed back in, the paypal email was there.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously dude, pay up

That’s no cool

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahhaahahaha....and right as I type this, I get the email from paypal.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 80% less delinquent than he was.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In Baltimore....

Cle/Cin game is on now, with no second game available. At 4PM, the Skins game is on AND the NE/Phi game. I seriously don’t get how they choose these games.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

CLE/CIN makes sense

Its a division game and none of the early games are really great. Fox and CBS each get 8 double headers a year, so this just happened to be CBS’s week.

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Though in Philly this week is a Fox doubleheader

since CBS can’t show a game opposite the Eagles

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually they don't show a game opposite the Redskins.

Division or not, this is maybe the last game I’m interested in seeing right now. I’m upstairs following stattracker while I listen to the game on downstairs.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They're obligated to show the Redskins game when they play on the road

but i don’t think theres a rule about not showing another game opposite it.

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Damnit....1st and goal from the 3 and the Rams get a FG.

They really suck sometimes.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Just sometimes?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well..most of the time.

Occasionally they don’t suck, but that’s rare

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cincinnati totally blows sometimes too.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I always feel so happy when I'm in first place alphabetically at 2:30 every Sunday

It makes it that much more frustrating when it call comes crashing down

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Leinart got hurt.....

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

T. Yates???

Hahaha, I love it. Who the fuck is T. Yates? I don’t remember that last name from college. This is the week of the unknown quarterback. Skelton, Yates, Haine, KC will be starting Palko or some shit.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst thing about T. fuckin Yates is that he isn't throwing to Andre Johnson.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ I hate fantasy football

Seriously, if you ever want to know who to start on a given week, don’t listen to ESPN or Yahoo’s experts. Just look at my bench, and then start those guys.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Who decided to drop Pitt defense? And how did they clear waivers?

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

That happened in my league as well. Dude dropped Pitt’s D to pick up CJ Spiller. I’ve been streaming D’s all season so far, so I was a bit stunned to see them available. Put in my wavier claim, and in spite of being near the end of the queue I still landed them. They haven’t been great by any stretch but they are better than trying to roll the dice w/ Seattle etc… each week.

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Exact same thing with me

I’ll roll with Pitt for the rest of the year

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck.

ARI scored.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

WTF Minnesota?

Going for it with 4 1/2 mins left?

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

Cmon Tennessee, hold on

If you like Stacey (or me), and you don’t know who the hell Larry Greenwald is, then let’s go Titans.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

Pick Me!

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

Every time I see mention of this Larry Greenwald dude I think of Captain Kirk shaking his fist and yelling ’KHANNNNNNNN!"

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Tennesse couldn't finish it off

TB with 90 seconds to drive for the winning TD

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

he's really a very nice guy

and my bestest drinking buddy senior year

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He's our Khan

There’s no getting around it.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure he's a true gentleman

But I have never met him, and thus will choose to hate him in the same what that I hate every member of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Steelers.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Stacey and AMD may run the table through the 1:00 games

Impressive feat, you two. And if I wasn’t picking underdogs just to get points, I’d have picked BAL and been right there…

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Same here

but i went with DET over GB instead

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, well

Not too many upsets this week.

Tennessee wins! Stacey and I gain a crucial point on Larry, and it will be our only point today.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to call it a 3 person race

theres still another 5 people within 5 of the lead, and within 3 of Stacey for 2nd.

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I say it was a three person race?

Just focus on getting the rest of your money in mmmkay?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

and Stacey'll have her money by next week

just transferred some into my paypal account

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

and zk

don’t forget me. i ran the table on 1:00 as well.

if i don’t bet against the ravens i’m untouchable right now

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

THROUGH the 1 pm game

You lost the BAL/SF game like I did, buddy.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, THROUGH

well, that’s different

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I did put that word in the original comment

Isn’t it like 1 am where you are right now?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

11:58

but who’s counting?

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Tampa just choked.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

GROSSMAN!!!

Tommy hunter still sucks!

by Steve. on Nov 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

I thought Bad Rex was missing...

He’s back!

Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.

by DCO'sfan on Nov 27, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if I'll ever watch enough football to understand why play-action fakes work.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Those with more knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong

but the purpose as I understand it is to get defenders to run toward the line at least one step and then have to react to the pass, which gives receivers an extra second, maybe, to get open. By running run plays out of the same set, the defenders must play run first so as not to allow an easy 3-4 yard gain.

So, football intelligentsia, how close am I?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Going further though, it’s fairly easy to discern the fake from our overhead, behind the line of scrimmage camera view. It gets harder when you’re on the same plane as the football, and there’s four 300 pound guys on your team smashing into five 350 pound guys on their team, in between you and the 5’10 running back.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a fair point.

Easy enough to see on the camera.

I guess it just seems to me like the guy who’s in coverage should have the discipline to stay with his man no matter what it might look like, and trust that someone else will make the play if it’s a run.

Well, then again, maybe a better-coached team would. Philly seems like kind of a hot mess here today.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

some guys are much better at faking the handoff than others

which helps

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And RS hated Led Zeppelin, too

Jann Wenner is a asshole. He almost single-handedly kept Black Sabbath out of the RnR HoF for almost 15 years.

Screw him and screw Rolling Stone. Kurt Cobain was right…

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Baaahaha

Blast from the past

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how many of those 100 albums I heard even one song from.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I own exactly 2 of the top 22

and that includes Coldplay’s “A Rush of Blood to the Head”.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird list

I can get behind #1-6. Someone should be fired for picking US at #12 and MIA at #9. Love the Beck, LCD Soundsystem, and MGMT love.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

U2*

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i only looked at the top 10 but i like it.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Hipster

Not a single heavy rock/metal album in the top 100, except MAYBE one. Fuckin’ RS at it again. “Ooooh, not too loud, you’re hurt our ears and we won’t be able to hear KJanye rapping out of tune on his next CD!”

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i only looked at the 10

what albums are missing?

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything with guitars worth actually listening to

I have a list downthread.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a primer of some of what was left out...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-decades-best-metal,35509/

 The Sword, Age Of Winters (2006)

9 tracks – Age of Winters by The Sword
Insert snide comment about hipsters here. Decorate with photo of J.D. Cronise wearing a trucker hat, and add a generous helping of snotty aspersions about the character of people from Austin. Top off with dismissal of any song appearing in a Guitar Hero game. Now erase all that and just sit down and listen to Age Of Winters. If you’re not banging your head by the second track, then you’re letting your preconceptions get in the way of the music. This is simply a kick-ass heavy metal album, and anything else is just a distraction.

And I like their second CD even better than that one.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We can all pick albums that didn’t make the list. That doesn’t make it a bad list though because some of our personal favorites didn’t make it.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But the crap that DID make the list is indefensible

Seriously, EVERY CD Kanye West released in the 2000s makes the list? Really? EVERYTHING Coldplay released? EVERYTHING Radiohead released? EVERYTHING U2 released? All of them? By the end of it, I was actually surprised Taylor Swift didn’t make it.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of these albums are good though. I don’t agree with every choice, but in scanning of the list, I see a lot of good albums. Maybe not the albums that I would pick, but they’re good. And really that’s all I’m asking for out of a “best of” list.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the thing we can all agree on I think

Is that the list has no direction. What is the picking criteria?

If you’re gonna pick all the U2 and (newer) Coldplay and Kings of Leon albums, then you’re picking on commercial success. If you’re including indie stuff, then you’re picking based on what’s been critically acclaimed. You can’t put both in the same list and try to make them equal.

And also don’t include any Bruce Springsteen or Bob Dylan albums, which didn’t sell well AND probably aren’t critically acclaimed. And especially don’t list them so high.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the picking criteria?

Defining what’s good is going to create more problems than it solves.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Upon further review of this list,

It’s hard to take seriously. It comes off as if a 25 year old hipster and a 40 year old corporate guy took turns picking albums. It’s an insane combination of indie/formerly indie artists, way past their prime artists included on the list for reputation alone, and a few way too easily picked rap albums thrown in so they don’t seem racist.

All three U2 albums on this list is absolutely inexcusable. U2 minus U2’s 80’s rep equals Nickelback. Even U2 hates U2 music from the 2000s.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the same artists, over and over again

If Kanye’s names is on it, it’s in there. If Jay-Z’s name is on it, it’s in there. Arcade Fire? Sigur Ros? Coldplay? Radiohead? Outkast? Eminem? Practially everything they did that decade shows up.

How about The Sword’s “Gods Of This Earth”? How about All That Remains’ “Overcome”? Not my cup of tea, but there’s no denying The Deftones’ “White Pony”, Mastadon’s “Leviathan”, and Queens Of The Stone Age “Songs For The Deaf”. And yeah, I’m saying Slayer’s “Christ Illusion” should have made the list.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

QOTSA and Deftones I could definitely see on this list.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And "Christ Illusion" is the best Slayer offering since "Season in the Abyss"

My metal peeps will know that means it’s good.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And yeah, that's what I'm trying to say

It’s like they gave some kid who listens to underground stuff 30 picks, and the rest had to be taken up by the biggest artists and everything they’ve done to satisfy the major labels.

In addition to the lack of diversity you mentioned, the rap albums listed on here are the absolute easiest picks any white executive could’ve made. 50 Cent, are you kidding me? How about the Roots “Phrenology”? Talib Kweli “Quality”? Blackstar, Lupe, Common…

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that, too

It definitely reeked of someone my age trying to pick what the “hip kids” listened to. And, thus, Kanye make, what, 3 appearances on that list? Please.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

if hip kids listen to good music then who cares?

why judge the music based on who listen to it?

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason I put it in quotes

It’s what a 40-something exec THINKS kids are listening to, not what they actually were.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't like Kanye but I recognize that he's "good"

The picks are just so thoughtless. Most of those hip kids would probably support a Kweli album for this list over any Kanye album.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, who cares what "40-something exec THINKS kids are listening to, not what they actually were."

let’s judge the music based on the music.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'm arguing this list doesn't do that

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

fine

i’m just saying that i see a lot of good albums. maybe not albums where i would place them, but good music is there.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But it's waaaaay too exclusive of other genres aside from pop/rock and radio rap

RS is saying Kanye put out 4 of the best 100 CDs of the ‘00s, but not one living country artist did? Not one jazz artist? There wasn’t a single classical music recording that makes the top 100? Not one album with guitars with distortion need apply? No one outside of North America (including Iceland) and England recorded anything worthy of this list? No one? Really? But Kanye deserves to be on there four times, with Coldplay and Jay-Z?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

But it's waaaaay too exclusive of other genres aside from pop/rock and radio rap

I completely agree. Like I said, it’s Rolling Stone. They wrote a list consistent with their tastes. Pitchfork has a “best of” list and it’s consistent with their tastes. Same with Spin. In the end though, it’s impossible to escape bias with these lists. In fact, bias is the basis which forms these lists.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Also of note not on the list:

Audioslave, Audioslave
Bela Fleck, Little Worlds
Bloodhound Gang, Hooray for Boobies
Hank III, Straight to Hell
A Perfect Circle, Mer de Noms or 13th Step
Shooter Jennings, Put the O back.. or Electric Rodeo
Slipknot, Slipknot or Vol. 3
Steve Earle, Transcendental Blues or Jerusalem
Tool, Lateralus
Willie Nelson, Countryman

I could go on. What a shit list. It’s a joke. A bad one at that.

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn. You picked up a lot of stuff I missed while focusing on metal

Hank III, both APC discs, just about any Tool CD, and where’s a single country album on that list? Even one?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And they picked the wrong one

Shoulda gone with IV:The Man Comes Around

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Co-signed.

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you're expecting

it’s a Rolling Stone list. Rolling Stone focuses on a pretty specific brand of alt. pop-rock. Why are you surprised that that’s what they put in?!

Tommy hunter still sucks!

by Steve. on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I shouldn't be

but that magazine’s editorial choices have a habit of pissing me off way more than they should.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, exactly

this is rolling stone. they picked a list consistent with rolling stone. if this was vibe, i would expect a totally different list.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Then call the list

The 100 Best alt. pop-rock Albums of the ’00s. Not the 100 Best Albums of the ’00s.

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Lateralus should absolutely be on here.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

One last addition

Dave Grohl’s Probot project absolutely has to be on there.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe b/c those artists aren't any good?

ok, i haven’t actually looked at the list. I find them largely pointless and skewed. but metal doesn’t belong on any “best of” list unless it’s a “best albums to toss” list.

by Luke E on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha, look at me, I'm cooler than the dumb metal fan

Ha ha ha, I’ve never even listened to it but I know it’s bad.

Solid argument you’re building there, hoss.

Just cause you don’t understand what’s going on…don’t mean it don’t make no sense
And just cause you don’t like it,…don’t mean it aint no good

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm just keeping up appearances

i like a few bands on the bubble of metal (early Thrice, Avenged Sevenfold, later Brand New, APC, etc.), but metal itself mostly just annoys me with the incessant screaming and pathetic lyrics.

by Luke E on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Unearth's "Giles"

C’mon, a metal song based on “The Crucible”? And not even the main character, but the one who refuses to enter a plea so his land can be passed down to his sons rather than forfeited to the court. You gotta respect that.

Not one step forth could capture amission of guilt
by law, avoids death on gallows hill
Through time his fight will martyr my name
My soul, free of a heretic

Court of ayer and terminer,
leave me my rightful land
Court of ayer and terminer,
leave me my rightful land
To stow in my heart-to leave to my sons

Peine forte et dure is called-
An effort to collapse belief
has failed, and surely will die with me

An epic stand is made.
Condemned, I will not plea.
Damned to the beast of torment
Damned by the beast within us all

Rectify my name…

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Beats the hell out of "Candy Shop"

whose CD made the Top 100 list, btw.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

50 Cent

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And my all-time fave example of how musically inept a lot of radio rappers are

He had about 5% to do with that song. Someone else wrote the beat, someone else programmed the music, someone else produced it, someone else sang the background vocals which are the main hook, and he strolled into the studio and grunted “Yeah, Candy Shop, yeah, huh” a bunch of times, added some ridiculous “metaphors” about oral sex that a 10th grader could have been been more subtle about, and collected millions and is hailed as the next great rap artist.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

when it comes to rap

i like the gorillaz, and that’s pretty much it

by Luke E on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you're listening to the wrong bands

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

or rather, the guy i work with listens to the wrong bands

which i get exposed to on occasion.

bands like pantera, dream theatre, and lords knows what other bands, including, yes, metallica. of which i’ve enjoyed exactly none.

but hey, whatever floats your boat. i reserve the right to laugh at you, however. :)

by Luke E on Nov 27, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And I reserve the right to think mean thoughts about your laughing.

And he’s probably not listening the REALLY good Pantera, like the stuff off “Reinventing the Steel”. Tell him to take “Walk” off the playlist and put on You’ve Got To Belong To It or Revolution is My Name (the video is quite funny, btw).

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Too many fans gave up after Great Southern Trendkill

I love the CD, but a lot of fans didn’t. And they missed a great CD in Reinventing the Steel.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually like the aughts U2

although all that leave you can leave behind should NOT be at 13. No Line on the Horizon is FAR better.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

all that you can leave behind shouldn't be in the top 100 period.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Nov 27, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I always forget that the players don't have the same view as the cameras do.

The linemen can’t hardly see past the opposite linemen.

Tommy hunter still sucks!

by Steve. on Nov 27, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is a big part of why Ray Rice is so successful

He’s so short, it is almost impossible to know which hole he’s gonna come through

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what...

nm, too easy

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No no,

you’re thinking of Antonio Cromartie

by kba26 on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It helps to freeze defensive players.

If you fake the handoff, the defenders have to react to avoid giving up yardage. That second of hesitation can create space for passing plays.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

One last Tebow prayer before halftime puts Denver within a FG.

Which of God’s chosen sons shall he ultimately choose to smite on this day of rest?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

fucking grossman

it’s a good thing i’m listneing over the internet, because if were watching this game, i’d have thrown something at the TV

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

hah

I gave up, I"m watching The Two Towers on the free preview of Encore.

Tommy hunter still sucks!

by Steve. on Nov 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

SPOILERS, dude!!!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How are you listening to the NFL on the internet?

Legally or otherwise?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

redskins.com

allows you to listen over the web

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

and for the record, i am packing to come home right now. sigh.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Really??????

Wow. I though the NFL locked down all “Listen Live” offerings except on Sirius/XM

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

apparently not

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The Raiders are really pissing me off.

Score a TD, you dipshits.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Not gonna lie, kinda hoping KC upsets PIT tonight....

Can’t have that perfect week marring my fall from competition in this pool.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

release the dragon!

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Baaahaha

Gross Rexman has small hands. You know what they say about that…

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking that too.

lol

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Eagles D

Starting a bad defense that is also going against the Patriots – possibly a bad idea. Looks like TL put a seldom used Yards Against 400-499 penalty into the league as the Eagles D is at -4.00, and that’s with a sack.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

C'mon, BEARS!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

At this point, no way John Beck plays another game.

"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."

by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 27, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

seriously?

one rex concussion, and beck is right back in there.

i’m sure we will give up some sacks in the coming weeks. :)

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously.

Start perusing your local grocer for coffee beans

"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."

by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

well shit....this isn't turning out howi had planned

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

BALLGAME

Hall interception.

THANK YOU SKINS

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

Why are you so happy?

This means less chance of a competent QB in the draft.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha how cute

you think the Redskins have a chance at anything competent.

;_;

Tommy hunter still sucks!

by Steve. on Nov 27, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This

although in the heat of every game I want them to win.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

fucking niners

i they hadn’t sucked so much, i’d be having a perfect week

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 27, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Fucking SD and Oakland blowing it for me in my point spread pick'em.

I was perfect up to that point.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If Oakland hadn't been so fucking inept, that game wouldn't have been even close.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

San Diego sucks too.

Dunno why I picked them to beat a 6.5 point spread.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I out-smarted myself

I knew I had to go contrarian to pick up points on KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and that was one where there was a fair chance it would go that way. I didn’t think they actually would win, but I thought they could. We’re late in the game, and I’m 6 back. Time to start goin’ deep.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

this exactly

at least i still picked up one point on HSL this week.

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm now in second place in my other pool :-(

Not good.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst sunday night game ever?

"And, I'm guessing our soldiers are happy about this, that they're leaving Iraq. It is no fun being in a country where there is crumbling infrastructure and an ignorant population. But they said they are happy to come home anyway."

by WestcoastO'sFan on Nov 27, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

All Tim Tebow does is win.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Did anyone see the Shannon Sharpe interview with him before the 1:00 games?

Where Sharpe was basically saying he sucked to his face. Like, “No offense, but you suck. Everyone thinks you suck. No offense though. What do you think about that?”

I can’t wait till someone catches Tebow on an iPhone losing it and bitching someone out. That’s gonna be gold.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoring less than 20 points ain't gonna cut it against a good team.

But it’s possible they don’t run into that team until the 2nd round of the playoffs, on the road, so who knows.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not playing good teams yet

Pretty sure DEN fans will be ecstatic with a playoff appearance after the way the season started.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp, we've got quite the clusterfuck for the $10 prize this week.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

Not really

When PIT and NO wins, and the total is 45 on MNF, I get $10. Pretty easy. :)

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOH... Faith Hill time

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

What was the Cougar bracket, 46+?

She’s gonna dominate that shit in two years.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Nov 27, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Monica Bellucci is 47

I know which way I’m voting.

I drink more brewsters than Punky

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Over Faith Hill?

That would be a tough decision, though.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Nov 27, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 27, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing sucked...

But the winning Broncos are going to give me a fucking heart attack.

by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 27, 2011 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

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