Orioles acquire C Taylor Teagarden from the Texas Rangers
by Stacey on Dec 1, 2011 3:29 PM EST
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Our long nightmare is over! The Orioles have fixed the major hole in their roster known as backup catcher. As an added bonus, the Pedro Viola era in Orioles history has come to an end.
From the official press release:
The Orioles today announced that they have acquired CA TAYLOR TEAGARDEN from the Texas Rangers in exchange for minor league right-handed pitcher RANDY HENRY and a player to be named later.
Teagarden, who turns 28 on December 21, has appeared in 118 games for Texas over the last four seasons, batting .220 (77-350) with 16 home runs and 49 RBI. He has a .985 career fielding percentage in the major leagues and has thrown out 30.5 percent of runners attempting to steal (25-82).
"Taylor is an accomplished catcher who has shown an ability to handle a pitching staff and control the running game," said Orioles Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations DAN DUQUETTE. "We believe he will be a nice complement to MATT WIETERS and our pitching staff and offensively he will provide good power."
In 14 games for Texas in 2011, Teagarden batted .235 (8-34) and in 42 games for Triple-A Round Rock, he batted .285 (43-151) with 12 home runs and 22 RBI.
Teagarden was the Rangers’ third round pick in the 2005 First Year Player Draft out of the University of Texas, where he led the Longhorns to the 2005 National Championship.
Henry, 21, appeared in 29 games between Class-A Delmarva (20 games) and Class-A Frederick (nine games) in 2011, going 4-3 with a 2.22 ERA (52.2IP, 13ER).
Henry was the Orioles’ fourth round selection in the 2009 First Year Player Draft out of South Mountain (AZ) Junior College.
To clear room for Teagarden on the 40-man roster, LHP PEDRO VIOLA has been designated for assignment.
I don't know much about Randy Henry, but he's only 21 and his minor league numbers aren't half bad. It just seems silly to me altogether to trade anyone for a backup catcher, much less two people. Can't they just pick some guy off the scrap heap to back up Matt Wieters?
At any rate, welcome to Baltimore Taylor Teagarden. Your sixteen home runs in four major league seasons are fifteen more than Craig Tatum has in his big league career.
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That's odd.
Do they usually not put triple-slashes in their official releases? It seems weird seeing BA/HR/RBI instead.
they have batting averages!
And that’s the most important one.
Teagarden’s career line is .220/.286/.417
Yeah, I kinda wondered if they didn't put his triple-slash so that
they could avoid showing his sub-.300 OBP.
The Rangers are the new Cubs.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 1, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
At least we're getting the cast-offs of an organization that's made two consecutive World Series.
Instead of, well, you know.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 1, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like this trade...
Teagarden actually has the potential to not be a complete black hole in the lineup on Wieters’ off days. I actually think he has the potential to allow the O’s to play him behind the dish twice a week, giving Wieters a full day of and a DH (or 1B) day every week.
.286 career OBP doesn't qualify as black hole?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Black? Hole?
16 home runs in 350 ML ABs, drafted in third round, top 100 BA prospect twice, with a career .374 OBP in the minors, more than 100 points above his BA, .863 career OPS in the minors, career WAR of 1.5, and Showalter’s choice. Oh, and 12 HRs and 956 OPS in AAA last year in 40+ games, though it was the PCL.
I think we have different definitions for “black” and “hole”.
lol
You know who had great minor league numbers? Lou Montanez and Felix Pie.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Hey now!
If you’re going to go around cherry-picking, save some cherries for the rest of us!
THe most important question
is which former Ranger will be next to come to Baltimore? My money is on Edison Volquez.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Volquez.
The price would have to be right, though. Fangraphs had a good comparison between Volquez and Gio Gonzalez, who is a hot commodity on the trade market right now.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Without you have a backup catcher, you have a lot of passed balls when the starting catcher is taking a day off.
Not with our pitchers
Most end up in or over the outfield, anyway.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Dec 1, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here's my completely stupid question
Why not just make Viola the PTBNL? I’m guessing TEX was like, “Um, him? No.”
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
probably
I believe they settled on a player, who is not on the 40 man roster, but has to survive the rule V draft before he can be dealt.
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
Usually the case with a PTBNL this time of year.
That or a recent draft pick that can’t be traded yet.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 1, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Henry is a fringy fringe prospect
although he makes Sickels’ ‘others’ list (for guys outside the top 20). And I’m pretty sure the PTBNL will be similarly fringy.
That being said: why on earth is a 90-loss team sending two minor-leaguers for a waiver-wire backup catcher, particularly when guys like Kelly Shoppach are still available?
This.
Or how about just using one of the shitty non-prospect 28 year olds on Norfolk or Bowie?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
This guy is barely better than those guys and they're free.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
From jq's review of the Shorebirds
Randy Henry: Nice 20 game run in Salisbury where Henry showed some swing and miss stuff in combination with a 57% GB rate. He walked only 6 batters in nearly 38 innings.
Backup catchers are relatively fungible, so I’m not sure why we would even trade anything to get him. Unless, of course, they plan on using Teagarden more than normal, dh’ing SHJ or putting him at first to extend his career.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Dec 1, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not against the idea of giving Matty some extra days off.
Teagarden seems to have pretty good CS rates so it won’t be like dropping Taters back there again.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
You mean?
The 31-year-old Kelly Shoppach who hit below the Mendoza Line for the past two years? Who has made $1.9 million, 2.25 million, and 3 million the last three years?
Say it costs two million to sign this valuable component for one year. We won’t spend that much on Teagarden for the next three. Will he have three times the on-field production?
Will we be kicking ourselves in three years that we don’t have Randy Henry anymore?
No, and no.
To use that line from the Monk theme song:
I could be wrong. But I don’t think so.
?
Again, I’ve used Shoppach as an example; I’m not suggesting he’s an ideal fit or anything. He’s just a guy that’s out there in free agency.
That being said, i think you’re wrong on just about every level.
1. Shoppach has useful skills. Even last year (his worst, by far), he hit .241/.344/.444 against left-handers while playing good defense. That’s 40 points of OPS better than Teagarden vs. lefties in his career.
2. A C+ relief prospect (like Henry) is clearly worth more, in market terms, than the million-dollar salary difference between Shoppach and Teagarden.
3. No, of course Henry (and the PTBNL) aren’t the key components to making the Orioles a winning team. But — and here’s the important part — Henry is 21 and Teagarden is 28. Neither Teagarden (nor Shoppach) are going to be around for the next good Orioles team. But you know what? Henry might have been — if only in a fringe bullpen role, or as a component of a trade.
Que?
“A C+ relief prospect (like Henry) is clearly worth more, in market terms, than the million-dollar salary difference between Shoppach and Teagarden.”
More than a million dollar difference. Henry didn’t get a million dollars to sign. His (unlikely) ceiling, is Jim Johnson, who may make a million for the first time this year. But Henry doesn’t have much in the way of secondaries, by all accounts, and all he’s proven is that he can get lower A-ball hitters out, an inning at a time.
As for whether Teagarden will be around for the next “good” Oriole team - it don’t pay to be too cocksure.
His (unlikely) ceiling, is Jim Johnson, who may make a million for the first time this year.
His ceiling is probably is lower but that’s missing the point. Prospects can develop in unexpected ways. For a million dollar difference, let me keep Henry.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
yeah, i don't understand the hate for shoppach
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
batting average
and playing too much versus righthanders
He has a plus fastball and he has been injured a bit. He is not the type of arm you make a habit of dealing, but his presence or absence is not going to affect this organization. Then again, the same could be said for Teagarden.
Plan B
The Rangers asked for Parker Bridwell first, and DD said no. When they got to Henry, he said yes (and Jarret Martin as PTBNL, according to rumors). Evidently, they think they have enough potential ML relievers in the minors, particularly after last year’s draft.
keep saying no
Teagarden isn’t anything special.
But a lower A ball, C-level prospect is?
Those are exactly the kind of prospects GMs should be trading for people that go on the major league roster, particularly one the manager specifically requested, and whom the GM said was superior defensively to the other options.
trade them for players who can help in the long term
not 28-year-old backup catchers. Right now the team needs to be acquiring 21-year-old minor-leaguers, not trading them.
Aimee Teegarden approves
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I approve of Aimee Teegarden
and pretty much every other female in the cast of FNL
I have neglected the Wafers.
How old is this girl ..... six?
She’s cute, to be sure, but major league ballplayers, no matter their status, don’t marry ugly. And either these player wives are getting younger or I am getting older. Probably both.
That's not a baseball player's wife
That’s an actress who played Julie Taylor on Friday Night Lights.
Barf
So DD is rebuilding the farm by trading it away for a replacement level backup? I’m exaggerating but still…barf. Why not just pay Pudge to sit in on Sundays?
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Catchers do tend to get hurt
And Pudge isn’t up to playing everyday anymore. Ask a Twins fan if they would’ve liked Teagarden as their backup to Mauer last season.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three-run homers."
by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 1, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
We have a bunch of nobody catchers in the minors to play backup.
If Wieters gets hurt we’re fucked regardless.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Twins fans can hold out sOme
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 1, 2011 9:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hope of competing
O’s fans…not so much. It makes no sense to pretend otherwise this season.
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Teagarden
may do well, but if Wieters gets hurt can he handle the load?
Getting a pitcher is next up, I guess.
I know many of us are just looking at numbers... BUT
we are getting someone that has just been to the WORLD SERIES, experienced success at a high level. I don’t mind parting with “fringy” prospects for that. Also, I think by the numbers this trade is a wash, but others teams will also see that the Orioles are ready to deal with the new GM. Both of those things put this trade in the slight win column, in my opinion.
Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.
serious question
is this a parody post?
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 2, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope it is world serious
….sorry
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
Please tell me you also have inside sources in the warehouse.
I would also like to know your opinion on strikeouts and whether or not they crush souls. Thanks in advance.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
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