Endy Chavez: Platoon Bat?
Within the scope of the failings of the 2011 season, where should we put the Orioles' loyalty to Vladimir Guerrero? I really do not want to keep harping on the guy, who I do have a large amount of respect for, and who wasn't especially high up on the list of issues for the team (he did not play any defense, and defense was The Problem). And yet, oh so much digital ink was spilled complaining about the signing of Guerrero, the cost of Guerrero, the lineup spot of Guerrero, and so on.
By August, I was writing things like "Vlad is making me doubt my life as an Orioles fan" and that the way the O's were using Vlad showed that maybe they are "not caring enough [about winning and losing] to pretend to show me that they're paying attention to the non-performance" of Guerrero. Today, with the benefit of not being invested on a daily basis, or perhaps the benefit of not having the Orioles to watch play baseball on a daily basis, I can see that that was all silly. The problem was not the production (as poor as it was), but rather the symbolic issue of the Orioles pandering to veterans, no matter their actual worth. Watching Guerrero stick around in the cleanup role was frustrating.
This wasn't limited to just one player or just one year. We were quixotically told throughout the rebuilding/youth movement that veteran leadership was a priority. The young players needed mentors, the young pitchers needed a batted-proven ace, the young hitters needed a proven cleanup hitter, and the bullpen needed a Proven Closer. So it was that the Orioles trotted out the Vlads, Atkins, Tejadas, Greggs, Millwoods, Gonzalezes, and Eatons of the world. And, to be fair, that wasn't always a bad thing; Gregg Zaun was a pretty good player in his second tour with the birds, for example. And, as I've never been in a professional clubhouse, I don't know how important a veteran presence can be for a group of precocious young ballplayers.
But what I can say for certain is that I don't want roster decisions to be made with "pandering to a veteran" as a priority, not even a low priority. I can see "pandering to a really good player", although I'd call it something like "complimenting, building around, and generally maximizing our use of a star player". But how many years a guy has been in the league and how well-known he is are not things that should matter at all in roster construction or strategy implementations.
Which brings us to newest Oriole Endy Chavez. You probably know that Chavez is more of a defensive whiz than a hitter, although he isn't exactly Cesar Izturis. You may also have already heard this from multiple sources, but here is MLB.com's Britt Ghiroli:
The expectation is that the left-handed [hitting Chavez] will serve as a platoon [bat]...
I have a tendency to think most of the problems with the Orioles' offense can be solved with platoons, so I applaud the general thinking. Platoons, in case you aren't up on the lingo, involve using one player against left-handed pitching and another player for the same defensive position against right-handed pitching. They can be extremely effective, taking two seriously flawed players and generating a lot of production out of both of them.
Chavez's platoon splits by the all-encompassing offensive metric weighted on-base average (wOBA) break down like so:
Career (L/R): .307/.302
2011 (L/R): .366/.317 (46 PA vs. LHP)
So, he may not be exactly the best player ever to use in a platoon, but the Orioles can still bump up their overall production by limiting one of their other outfielder's time against the weak side of the plate. But which player is going to be Chavez's apparent platoon-mate? Of course, we all already know that the end of Britt Ghiroli's quote is:
...in left field with Nolan Reimold.
If you're looking for righteous indignation that the Orioles are once again putting down poor Nolan Reimold, you won't find it here. This isn't about Reimold's development or whatever. If the Orioles have the opportunity to increase the amount of runs they can score by limiting the exposure of a flaw in one of their players, they probably should go for it. Nolan Reimold is 28 years old. He's not some young hotshot prospect who needs time to season.
Reimold could probably benefit from a platoon, too. Here are his wOBA splits:
Career (L/R): .332/.345
2011 (L/R) .295/.360 (98 PA vs. LHP)
Reimold's big league time is extremely uneven, so if the Orioles believe that his struggles with left-handed pitching will not improve from 2011, then having him not face lefties makes sense, though having Chavez take those plate appearances away could easily backfire. It looks like a bad gamble, but it is mitigated by the extra defensive innings Chavez would receive in a strict platoon. But here's what's interesting to me:
Adam Jones, career (L/R): .297/.341
Adam Jones, 2011 (L/R): .292/.353 (164 PA vs. LHP)
While Reimold has been erratic, Adam Jones' splits have been remarkably consistent, all the way back to 2008. He simply cannot hit left handed pitching, but he mashes righties. If you had to choose between two players to put into a strict platoon, both of whom put up similar numbers against lefties in 2011, who would you choose? I would probably opt to put the one I know for a fact has never and probably will never hit lefties over the one who has struggled but also has a chance to be okay against lefties. Further, remember how I just said that Chavez's poor hitting, even in a platoon, would be mitigated by giving him more defensive innings? Should those innings come in center field or left field? I would probably say center.
If the O's are set on using Chavez in a platoon, which is debatable on its own merits, let me just say that I would be startled if it was with veteran, team-leader, star player Adam Jones instead of erratic, enigmatic Nolan Reimold. And I would say it just like that, because the reasons not to do so is that Adam Jones is Adam Jones, a player casual fans have heard of and who wins awards and has lots of twitter followers and seems like a pretty good, open, public guy. Which is exactly the most frustrating kind of decision to make.
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I think that the O’s will still be dominated by the “lefties face righties and vice versa” platoon, rather than a splits-based platoon.
That kind of thing seems like a manager's decision, and if Buck was the one making the calls
last year, I don’t see why he’d suddenly see the light and construct the best lineup.
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
If that's the case...
…then maybe we’ll see Buck as portrayed by Philip Seymour Hoffman in the future.
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by Christopher Claxton on Dec 19, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hope
That Endy splits his time taking over for one or the other, against left handed pitching or as a defensive sub or whatever fits. Reimold can play a bit at DH or 1B, but whatever the case he needs to get 500 AB at least. I get what you are saying, but platooning AJ will 1) infuriate the uneducated fan. Which isn’t a priority so much. But 2) it will undermine his value, which if he is to be traded, needs to be maximized. I think in a year where we are close to contention that doesn’t matter, but, alas, it does.
I wonder how other teams get around the problem/difficulty of upsetting fans by not playing a star player because the stats don't favor it
Is it that we just don’t hear about these things? Or have other teams sold the fanbase on this approach?
by perpetualstudent on Dec 19, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions
It's hard to say, since no fanbase is a monolithic entity, and we don't know the team's thought process either.
I’m not sure what’s a comparable situation with a young player that the team markets as a star player who really isn’t worth that level of hype, but is a fan favorite anyway. Maybe when Boston traded Nomar Garciaparra, but he was in his 9th season with the Sox when he was traded, and that’s going back a few years anyway.
More recently, Texas jerks around Michael Young for the good of the ballclub because he sucks at defense, and I think he’s the kind of player the casual fan gloms on to. But he’s an 11-year veteran at this point, so not sure how comparable it is here. Also, after he gets publicly dissed, he drops a .322/.374/.518 (2009 after being displaced to 3B by Andrus) or a .338/.380/.474 (2011 after being displaced to DH/utility player by Beltre), either of which is a better offensive season than Jones has ever produced.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. I don’t think that the Orioles are going to avoid reducing Jones’ playing time due to some cynical marketing tactic. I think the Orioles honestly believe that Jones is a star player, either because they overvalue what he’s done thus far or because they believe he’s due for that big breakout, which I thought was going to happen in 2011 and have given up hope about seeing. That’s why you get quotes like Duq saying we’re not trading Jones unless we’re “blown away”, and nobody smart is going to blow away the Orioles to acquire Adam Jones.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 19, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Flyball/Groundball pitcher?
I wonder if the Buck would do something Earl did, which was platooning a player based on the type of pitcher Orioles were going. So, outfielder range is more important for some Oriole pitchers than for others…
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trade Value
A Jones split would absolutely ruin his trade value. I believe everyone except Wieters should be on the trade block, and we could never get anything in return for him if he was in a platoon.
why should it?
Ostensibly you are saying that a public admission by the Orioles that Jones can’t hit lefties would alert every other team that Jones is a platoon player, and they would be unwilling to trade for him. But believe you me, everybody already knows about Adam Jones’ splits. It’s public knowledge.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
by Andrew_G on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jones is only 26
He still has time to make the storied age-27 leap forward. That’s why you don’t platoon him. Decreased playing time might prevent him from reaching his full potential (whatever that might be).
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." - EW
by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because
I didn’t mean to suggest that Adam Jones’ splits are not common knowledge. Its just that if you platoon him his counting stats (including WAR) would take a nosedive. And that would ruin his trade value. Besides, Endy Chavez is a 34 year old with a low ceiling. Adam Jones still has a reasonably high ceiling. Why would you give at bats to a player with a limited skill set who is so old that he’ll never be on the team when they can contend?
Well, I think he's saying that it makes more sense to platoon Jones than Reimold.
Or, more to the point, it doesn’t make sense to use Jones in a platoon because of his upside, but it makes even less sense to use Reimold in a platoon in because of his upside and his splits.
Chavez
Is a solid get. Good fielder, solid (not great) at the plate, a good 4th outfielder who can play. And a guy who can play long stretches in a pinch. May keep Moldy from hurting himself more.
They can be extremely effective, taking two seriously flawed players and generating a lot of production out of both of them.
So it looks like Dan really is taking the Sabermetrics route?
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Well we should expect him to use a lot of sabermetric principles:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110521&content_id=19377274&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
But in this instance, Duquette isn’t applying the principle correctly if he wants to platoon Chavez with Reimold instead of Jones.
Chris Davis' splits have been pretty pronounced, too.
And I have more faith in Reimold and Jones than Davis.
This is what I’d do with our current roster.
Standard RHP Lineup:
1. Hardy SS
2. Markakis RF
3. Jones CF
4. Reynolds DH
5. Wieters C
6. Reimold LF
7. Davis 1B
8. Andino 3B
9. Adams 2B
Standard LHP Lineup
1. Chavez LF
2. Markakis RF
3. Hardy SS
4. Reynolds 1B
5. Wieters C
6. Jones CF
7. Reimold DH
8. Andino 3B
9. Adams 2B
But I would play with the LHP lineup. I would try to schedule Jones’ and Reimold’s routine days off to coincide with a soft tossing lefty, if possible. I would use h2h splits to determine some days that Davis would play 3B and Andino would sit or play second. And obviously if Roberts is healthy (sigh), he plays instead of Adams (or whoever else would win the 2B job out of ST)
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Tentative optimism:
I guess it is nice that all of the “play them and see if they pan out” guys (Andino, Adams, Davis, Reimold, Antonelli, Flaherty) can play multiple positions so that they can be swapped out when necessary.
Who Cares? I Love The Signing and the Depth
I also was stunned to read more about Endy’s defense compared to current Orioles. I blogged about it. I’m super excited to see him in Black and Orange. It sounds like he is awesome in a clubhouse too, which the O’s need.
what makes you think the Orioles need anything in the clubhouse?
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope

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