Orioles and the 2012 BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot: An Assessment
The 2012 BBWAA ballot for election to the Hall of Fame was released Wednesday. Former Oriole and Brave Javy Lopez has been added to this year's ballot in addition to return candidates (in order of Oriole tenure) Rafael Palmeiro, Lee Smith and Tim Raines. While not really having a shot, the absence of Scott Erickson and presence of Terry Mulholland is odd, though no stranger than some of the other calls the BBWAA made and I'm really just throwing that in there because Matthew Pouillot of Hardball Talk complained about the inclusion of Tony Womack on the ballot over Edgardo Alfonzo, which is silly if you care about the ballots at all.
A little Nostradamusing after the jump...
Many analysts have noted that a high career WAR is a pretty decent, though not perfect, predictor of HOF induction. According to Sean Forman at the New York Times, among the top 100 players in career WAR not under current or future Hall of Fame consideration, only five have not made the Hall of Fame: Bill Dahlen, Tony Mullane, Bob Caruthers, Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich. In general, 55 WAR has been the midpoint level for all Hall of Famers as three-fourths of the eligible players with 55 or more WAR are in the Hall of Fame. Bill James and Jay Jaffe have also compiled systems of weighing careers and assessing Hall of Fame worthiness, but while I don't have access to Jaffe's JAWS numbers for this year candidates, Baseball-Reference has helpfully provided this handy chart which includes the James HOFM number. For HOFm, the higher the score, the better with a 100 being about average.
Javy Lopez (C): Played 2+ seasons in Baltimore; WAR (Career/O's/Best Single): 27.9/5.3/6.6; HOFm 66.
Fancy new-fangled stats aside, Javy Lopez doesn't have the shiny baubles BBWAA voters seem to like: no counting stats milestones, no batting titles, though he did win a title with Atlanta and a Silver Slugger award.
The Sophomore
Rafael Palmeiro (1B/DH): Played 7 seasons in Baltimore; WAR: 66/24.1/7.4; HOFm 178
Raffy collected 3,000 hits, hit 569 home runs, had a career OPS of .885, won three Gold Gloves (HA!) and two Silver Sluggers. His Bill James score of 178 handily outpaces all candidates on this year's ballot, though his 11% vote tally in his first year of eligibility shows what damage the PED scandal did to his case.
The Grizzled Vets
Lee Smith (RP): Played 1 season in Baltimore; WAR: 30.3/1.0/4.5; HOFm 135
Smith notched a gaudy 478 career saves and won the Rolaids Relief Man Award in 1991, 1992 and 1994. His career ERA was 3.03, WHIP was 1.25 and K/9 was 8.7. Smith is 3rd on the all time saves list. Smith earned a vote on 45.3 % of ballots last year and is in his 10th year.
Tim Raines (OF): Okay, this is a cheapy. Raines played a few games in 2001 so he could play with his son Tim, Jr., an Orioles farmhand; WAR 64.6/.1/7.5; HOFm 90
Raines won one Silver Slugger, won a World Series with the Yankees and is 5th on the all time list for stolen bases. Raines earned 37.5& of the vote last year and will be on his 5th ballot.
Has Been or Never Was?
In the B-R projection linked above, both Rick Helling and Scott Erickson were listed as possible candidates though neither was nominated. The Bill James HOFm rates them as a 12 and a 26, respectively, with the aforementioned Mulholland pulling down a 14.
I also note that Bernie Williams is in his first year of eligibility and ought to be a good test case for the Hall of Fame prospects of his Yankee dynasty colleagues. Williams did not reach 3,000 hits or even 300 home runs and won one batting title. He also won four Gold Gloves and a Silver Slugger. His career WAR is 47.3 (which, I also note is dragged down in B-R's calculations by a -12 career dWAR), yet he boasts a HOFm score of 134.
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Not a particularly...
inspiring class of 1st timers eligible this year. Of the rest, I imagine Bagwell and Larkin will get the nod, with Edgar Martinez being a third possibility. Raffy probably won’t ever get a sniff of Cooperstown.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
and the real fun begins next year
Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Schilling, Piazza, and Biggio are all 1st timers.
David Wells and Conan, as well.
And….JULIO FRANCO?!?!?! I thought he was still playing. It’s been 5 years? Astounding.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
i'm guessing bernie williams, larkin and jack morris get the call...
i ABSOLUTELY think that edgar martinez, bagwell and mcgwire should get in.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
The pundits I've been reading seem to think that it'll be a Larkin solo induction
And that only because they (whoever they are) won’t want to have a no-induction year.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 3, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not letting Bagwell in again would be absolutely horse shit.
I think McGwire should get in, too, but it was baseless speculation that kept Bagwell out last year.
Have there ever been even rumors of Bagwell juicing?
I don’t remember him even being under suspicion.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Dec 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nope, nothing at all.
Last year, Posnanski linked to this site, which lists every player who has had his name even mentioned with PEDs. It’s a comprehensive list that includes players merely under suspicion, and Bagwell’s name doesn’t even show up.
I wonder if Edgar will ever get in. It's a shame, he was such a great hitter,
the stupid bias against the DH. Is there a compelling argument against him?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
yeah...
if you can put closers in, you can put in DHs. period.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
Bernie Williams in no way belongs in the Hall.
“What’s this bullshit?!?”
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 4, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not overly impressed with the Hall of Fame anymore.
It went from being the Hall of Fame to being the Hall of Moderately-Good-Over-A-Long-Enough-Period.
When will the next Oriole be inducted into the Hall of Fame, is what I wonder.
Mussina might get an O’s hat, I guess, if he makes it in, which I think that he should. Get past that and then it’s really depressing.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions
Moose will be an interesting case,
No Cy Young, no ring. Per bb-ref:
Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)
Black Ink Pitching – 15 (148), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink Pitching – 250 (21), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching – 121 (70), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching – 54 (28), Average HOFer ≈ 50
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Moose absolutely should get in
and he absolutely should go in as an Oriole, even though that’ll be pretty awkward. Like, the Orioles would need to retire 35, right? And build statues of the guy and everything? When they don’t seem remotely interested in his legacy as it is?
I'll develop my own image. I'm an original man. A one and only. I just need some help.
because it would interfere with the
“Mussina is evil” for signing with the Yankees narrative that the team has (successfully) built over the past two decades, as opposed to the slightly-more-truthful “Angelos is a meddling idiot” narrative.
his legacy is unfortunate,
I mean, it sucks he left us, but given how crappy the Orioles are/were, can you blame him for looking for greener pastures? I used to have a lot of anger towards him, but I let it go as the circus just got deeper and deeper.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
after moose?
it will be bobby grich!
duh. wieters.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
I love when people think Wieters will be on the Orioles beyond 2015.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can't figure out
why his name never comes up when the team is talking about contract extensions.






















