29 Trades with 29 Teams: Chicago Cubs
The team that I chose to trade with was the Chicago Cubs, a team that Orioles fans should be familiar with after the Andy MacPhail regime. Some players in recent years that have worn uniforms for both clubs include Sammy Sosa, Jerry Hairston, Jr., and Felix Pie.
The Cubs are in a similar position to the one that the Orioles have been in the past few years, in that they've had a fairly high payroll (approx. $86 million for both teams last season) but still finished towards the bottom of their division last season. The Cubs are in a slightly better position than the Orioles, in my opinion, in that they have decent front of the rotation pitching in Dempster and Garza (as long as he isn't traded) and have a young star in the majors already in shortstop Starlin Castro.
Before we get to the actual trade, I must confess that I am in the camp of people that feels that the Orioles should blow up the entire team and start over from scratch. Anybody that isn't named Wieters, Britton, Machado, or Bundy (well just the one Bundy, the other I'd part with) should be put on the block and traded for prospects and/or to take on some bad contracts from other teams. Having said that, this is my proposed trade between Baltimore and Chicago:
Orioles receive:
Alfonso Soriano, OF*
Carlos Zambrano, SP**
Josh Vitters, 3B
Trey McNutt, SP
Cubs receive:
Jeremy Guthrie, SP
Mark Reynolds, 3B
Brad Bergesen, SP/RP
* - Assumes that Soriano waives his full no-trade clause that the Cubs assume $42MM of the $57MM remaining on his contract
** - Assumes that Zambrano waives his full no-trade clause
Here is my logic behind the deal from both sides:
Chicago
1. It rids the club of Soriano, whose contract has been an albatross to the team for the past few years. Even though the Cubs are assuming a majority of his remaining contract, they were viewing it as a sunk cost at this point anyways so any value they can get in return is a bonus.
2. It rids the team of a major headache in Zambrano, who is entering the last year of his contract.
3. It opens up a spot in the outfield for the team's top prospect, Brett Jackson.
4. Guthrie gives them a solid, and cheaper arm, to fill in Zambrano's rotation spot behind Dempster and Garza. Guthrie is arbitration eligible again this season, but even with a pay raise he will be earning much less than the $15MM that Zambrano is due.
5. Given their trade for Ian Stewart, the Cubs can play Reynolds at 1B where his defense is slightly less horrible than it was at 3B last season. He also gives the Cubs a power bat in the middle of their line-up to help make up for the losses of Soriano, Carlos Pena, and Aramis Ramirez from last season.
6. Bergesen provides some versatility to the bullpen as he can be a long reliever or fill in as a spot starter when necessary.
Baltimore
1. This approximates the beginning of the "blowing it all up" process that I was talking about earlier.
2. In this scenario, the Orioles will only be responsible for $15MM owed to Soriano, or $5MM/year over the next three years. Soriano's bat was still relatively productive last year, and he could open the season as the team's DH and fill in for Reimold in LF on occasion.
3. Zambrano would replace Guthrie's position at the front of the O's rotation. Assuming that Zambrano can get his head on straight, he can use this season as a showcase to audition for other teams in order to land one last big payday in 2013. Zambrano averaged a WAR of 2.9 from 2007 to 2010, so if he can get back near that production it would be beneficial to both him and the Orioles.
4. Vitters is a former first round pick that some people in the Cubs organization have begun to sour on. However, he still is fairly young (22) and in his age 21 season at Double-A he showed some improvement with slashes of .283/.322/.488 (AVG/OBP/SLG) and solid defense at 3B. Vitters main issue has been his patience at the plate, evidenced by his only taking 22 walks in 488 plate-appearances last year. If the Orioles can work with him on his patience, he projects as an everyday 3B at the major league level.
5. Mcnutt is a bit more of a wild card/project. He entered last season as the Cubs top pitching prospect, but struggled in Double-A ball, posting a 4.55 ERA and a K/9 of only 6.2. However, as with Vitters, he is still young (22) and has shown as recent as 2010 that he can touch 97-98 with his fastball and has a plus slider. He needs to work on developing a third pitch and fix the issues with his mechanics that reared their head last season, but McNutt still projects as a mid rotation guy at best, and could still serve as a power arm out of the bullpen if all else fails.
Originally I had contemplated sending back Nick Markakis to the Cubs instead of Reynolds and Bergesen, but I felt that if the Cubs were making this trade to rid themselves of Soriano’s contract then they probably would not want to take back Markakis and his overvalued contract. The Cubs are giving up two solid prospects in this deal (both rated as three star prospects by Baseball Prospectus), but sometimes you have to overpay a bit to help clean up your old mistakes. I like this trade for the Orioles because it brings back some young talent and sets up the potential of having a Vitters-Machado combo on left side of the infield for the next 4 to 5 years. Also, McNutt gives the Orioles another young, talented arm to hopefully not screw up (such optimism!).
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I'll be honest...
I would be extremely wary of allowing Zambrano within the same state as the Orioles, much less on the team. Yes, there’s the chance that he performs well in a contract year. But I’m not sure the risk of his lunacy is worth it to a rebuilding team.
There’s a lot of contract guys out there that have positive intangibles instead of negative.
Also...
Vitters is a bit Jonesian in his hitting approach… would the O’s be able to target Jae-hoon Ha or Dan Vogelbach?
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
so admittedly i have a soft spot in my heart for Vitters because i have been following him for a few years now
i think he might be a guy that it would do some good to get a change of scenery/system
i had not read much about either Ha or Vogelbach before you just mentioned them, but Baseball Prospectus has them ranked as the 12th and 13th prospects in the Cubs system (Vitters and McNutt are ranked 6th and 8th, respectively). here is what BP has to say about them:
12. Dan Vogelbach, 1B: This second-round pick is a big, unathletic, bat-only type, but his power is very real.
13. Jae-Hoon Ha, OF: He lacks the power for a corner, but he’s not quite a center fielder, so he’s a bit of a tweener.
so a big bopper to play first base, and a tweener outfielder. in my opinion we already have too many of those guys on the team (Chris Davis? Matt Angle? Kyle Hudson?), so I would rather take a chance on a guy that plays a position of need for us at 3B
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I like the idea of taking on an albatross contract in exchange for some prospects.
Soriano’s contract is the King of all such terrible, burdensome contracts at the moment (on the offensive side of the ball at least, Zito might have him on the pitching side). His is so terrible that i think they should give us even more prospects if we were to take it from them. I wonder what the sliding scale would look like if we were to assume more of the financial burden. For instance, if we take on $20M of the remaining $57M, could we get one or two more prospects? It would be like directly buying good prospects from another team’s farm system.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions
i took this in to consideration as well
i was basking the $40M off of something i read on MLBTradeRumors that postulated that it would take the Cubs eating that much of his salary in order to move Soriano. i’m not sure what kind level of prospect we would get if we were to assume more of the financial responsibility. as much as Chicago wants to get rid of Soriano’s contract, i doubt that they want to gut their farm system in order to do so. it would probably end up being more of a PTBNL level of player rather than anyone of consequence.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Epstein is already preaching that they need to build up the farm system
That’s what makes this a challenging assignment for you. Maybe he needs to sacrifice a few guys to get some money off the books.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i took the Cubs since I knew it would be challenging
i liked this trade better before they made the Colvin-Stewart swap last night, because if they didn’t want to bring up Jackson to the majors right away they could at least start the season with Colvin in LF.
i still stand by the principal of the trade though, which is taking on some bad contracts for a few years in order to land some better prospects. Either one of those guys would easily crack the top 10 prospects in our system right now.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Good idea
and I think trading any of those guys is reasonable but the assumptions are a little tough because I don’t see either one of those guys agreeing to waive their no trade in order to come to Baltimore.
Soriano?
How do you feel Soriano was even mildly productive last year? His OBP was under .300. He’s no better than replacement level and retards the development of young players (Reimold, etc.)?
Soriano is absolutely better than replacement level.
Looking at his career numbers, last year’s decline in OBP can be attributed to two factors: a dip in his BABIP (career .302 with 2011 at .266) and a decrease in walk rate, which was 3% higher in the previous three years. Soriano still hits for power and is a plus in the field.
That being said, I agree with you that I would like to see Reimold out there than Soriano, given Reimold’s career numbers suggest that he might be able to produce at a similar rate to Soriano right now. Could this deal conceivably get done if we remove Soriano and Bergesen from the equation?
Mother, did it need to be so high.
i think the deal would still be workable, but you might only be getting back one prospect instead of two
the Cubs really want to rid themselves of the headache that Zambrano causes, but i feel that they would rather just waive him and eat his salary than give up too much else from their farm system.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
I should clarify. He was a total defensive hole at 2B but has been a plus since moving to the OF.
That’s according to both Total Zone and UZR. I don’t have access to +/- so I’m not sure what the take is there.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Fair enough...
I thought he still had problems with judging fly balls, but if he’s above average defensively, more power to him.
+/- has Soriano -4 in 2011, -3 over the past three years, and +34 for his career
that’s in left field. I’m as surprised as you are at that last number.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I was really surprised at all positive defensive numbers, too.
I’ve only heard bad things about his defense but maybe I’m only remembering when he played 2B and when he first moved to LF, which, iirc, was an adventure.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
well, according to Baseball Reference, Soriano had a WAR of 1.3 last season
granted, 0.6 of that came from hitting and 0.7 came from his defense. in my scenario i suggested that the O’s use him as a DH to replace Vlad, who was rocking a stellar 0.1 WAR for last season. so that is automatically an upgrade and at $5M we’d be paying Soriano less than the $8M we paid Vlad for last year. plus by using Soriano as primarily a DH, that would still leave Reimold to get a lions-share of the starts in LF, hence not “retarding” his development.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
What I like most about this post
is that it proposes an avenue — being willing to take on salary in exchange for acquiring prospects — that the Orioles should pursue.
I’m not a fan of packaging together Guthrie, Reynolds and Bergesen AND doing that at the same time because I think you get more of a return for those guys separately. But I really, really endorse the idea and I think it’s something the Orioles ought to do in real life.
thanks to everyone who took the time to read this today
it was the first thing that i’ve written in a while where i really enjoyed the process of actually writing, so it means a lot to see people have read it and commented on it as well
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
Soriano's Age
I can’t believe that anyone would feel that Soriano is valuable because of his WAR of 1.3. Reimold had a WAR of 1.5 in limited playing time. I mention the playing time because WAR is a counting stat—with more playing time Reimold would have been worth even more WAR. At any rate, Soriano is 36 years old and in a declining phase of his career. If we attribute a standard decline of .5 WAR/season (reasonable for a player with his age and proclivity for injury), he’s worth less than one win. That, combined with his age, means that he has no place holding a roster spot, much less a spot in the lineup. Also, I don’t trust Showalter not to put Soriano at cleanup after last year’s Vlad fiasco.
i think you're missing the point of what i was trying to accomplish year
as i stated at the beginning, i am advocating that we need to blow things up before we can rebuild. obviously Soriano would not be part of any team’s long term plans, but i wasn’t targeting to claim Soriano because “oh wow, he’s still valuable and would really help the O’s win next year!” i was targeting him because Chicago really wants to get rid of him and would probably be willing to include a prospect or two to make that happen.
if you think that there is a possible trade with Chicago that would allow us to not take back Soriano, not give up too much value, and give up prospects in return, then i am all ears.
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
OK--I think we're on the same page now
I really like your idea of trading Guthrie as a rebuilding chip, but I don’t like dealing away Reynolds, who I feel should be the DH for the Orioles. Reynolds is a relatively cheap guy who hits lots of home runs, and there aren’t too many players you can say that about. Additionally, I just can’t get around the fact that if Showalter got his hands on Soriano he would start him everyday and bat him in the heart of the order, sort of like with Vlad last year. To answer your question, Theo is such a smart gm that I don’t envision a possible trade with Chicago that wouldn’t involve the Orioles taking Soriano. As we posit possible trades, it becomes painfully clear that the number of ignorant/antiquated general managers is shrinking by the year—even Houston has a good gm now.
i dig this trade. i like the idea of taking a bloated contract in exchange for good prospects.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Vitters
I’m a big fan of taking on salary to get a better prospect, but I’m not sure that Vitters is a guy I would target. While it is true that Vitters posted a better OPS in AA in 2011, it’s worth noting that this was his second run through the Southern League. In his first taste in 2010, he OPSed 676 in 200 at bats. (I know SSS.) Of more concern is the 35 walks in 716 AA plate appearances. Kind of unbelievable he was taken prior to Wieters.
Of course, I guess the real question is what can we expect for Guthrie? I am probaby overvaluing him…
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

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