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29 Trades for 29 Teams: Washington Nationals

The Orioles have already wasted most of their years with Adam Jones under their control, now it's time to start over again.

A few times this off season when the topic of trading Adam Jones has come up, I've heard the Washington Nationals as a possible good fit due to their need for a center fielder. Their primary center fielder in 2011 was Rick Ankiel, who is now a free agent (and who also isn't very good). The Nats have just four outfielders on their forty-man roster: Bryce Harper, Jayson Werth, Roger Bernadina, and Eury Perez. Harper and Werth are corner outfielders, and while Perez is a CF and a decent prospect, he's only 21 and hasn't played above A+. That leaves Bernadina, who can play CF but who really belongs on the bench as the fourth outfielder.

The Nats have a good core for their future lineup with Ryan Zimmerman, Wilson Ramos, Michael Morse, and Jayson Werth (if he can bounce back) in the majors, with Bryce Harper and Anthony Rendon waiting in the wings. Adding Adam Jones to the mix would give them even more firepower with which to support their promising starting rotation.

We get down on Adam Jones a lot around here, but the fact is that he's a good player and getting better. He's not a superstar, but he can hit for power and he plays one of the toughest positions on the field adequately (he'd probably be better in left field, but that's another story). His OBP was an unfortunate .319 in 2011, but if he can get it back up to at least .330 (and I believe he can), he'll really be valuable.

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Jones is under team control for just two more seasons and will hit the free agent market at the ripe age of 28, so if the Orioles aren't prepared to offer him a lucrative extension (or if they think he won't take it), trading him makes sense.

What do the Nationals have that might be a good fit for a trade? Well, nothing on their major-league roster. The players on their roster is either not good enough, like Bernadina, Chien-Ming Wang, Tom Gorzelanny, etc., or they're too good, like Zimmerman, Ramos, and the bullpen duo of Drew Storen and Tyler Clippard who are both locked up for many more years.

The Nats do have quite a bit of promise in the minors, though, so my choice would be a trade for RHP Brad Peacock and and LHP Sammy Solis. With Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann, and John Lannan at the top of their rotation with Wang, Gorzelanny, Tom Milone, and Ross Detwiler in the mix, they might be willing to part with the two pitchers in exchange for Jones. That's not to mention prospects A.J. Cole, Alex Meyer, and Matt Purke in the lower minors, all with promise.

Peacock was drafted in the 41st round of the 2006 draft, so he came into the game as a long shot. He has worked his way up through the minors steadily and split his time between AA and AAA in 2011, and made his major-league debut in September for the Nationals. In AA he pitched to a 2.01 ERA with 11.8 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, and a WHIP of 0.861. He then made nine starts at AAA with a 3.19 ERA, 9.0 K/9, and 4.5 BB/9. He'll be 24 years old next season and could eventually be a mid-rotation starter.

Solis was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2010 draft, but has seen his stock fall with injuries. He has been experiencing elbow soreness in the Arizona Fall League, and he was limited to only ten starts in the minors last season due to a groin injury that he suffered during spring training.

He's a risk because of the injuries (especially depending on what happens with his elbow), but he's a very good pitcher when he's on the mound. He has very good control, his fastball is in the low 90s, and he has a good change-up and curve.

Adding these two pitchers to the O's system would be a step in restocking the minors for the future big league team. Peacock might even help the team in 2012. As I become increasingly convinced the Orioles won't compete in the next few years, it makes sense to me to add these guys to the Orioles stock than to spend the next two years with Adam Jones. It might seem like a stretch to ask for two prospects that would be listed by most in the top fifteen in the Nats system, but given their depth and the question marks around Solis' health, I think it could work.

That of course leaves a big hole in center field for the Orioles, and the Nationals certainly don't have anyone to fill that void for them. I'd suggest signing free agent Coco Crisp to a one-year deal. Crisp is coming off of a two-year, $10.5M contract with the Athletics but he had a disappointing 2011 that saw both his OBP and SLG drop so he might be gotten at a lower price. If the Orioles could sign him for $4M or less, they'd get a player that isn't as good as Adam Jones, but who is light years ahead of Matt Angle. Since Adam Jones will probably get at least $6M in arbitration next year, this deal plus the Nats trade would save the team a few million dollars in 2012 and give them two more prospects for the future.

For more information on Peacock and Solis, check out:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-10-prospects-washington-nationals/

http://baseballinstinct.com/2011/11/21/washington-nationals-top-10-prospect-list/

http://bloguin.com/theoutsidecorner/2011-articles/november/reaping-what-you-sow-washington-nationals-top-10-prospects.html

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=peacoc001bra

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=solis-001sam

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Trading Adam Jones for RHP Brad Peacock and LHP Sammy Solis would:
Be a win for the Orioles
39 votes
Be a win for the Nats
116 votes
Never happen
87 votes

242 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for 'Be a steal for the O's'

But I actually feel it would be a pretty even trade w/ Peacock and Solis. They are getting a demonstrated middle of the order bat, and we are getting two guys with promise and minor league track record, but also question marks. If we could land one (or more) of Cole, Meyer, or Purke, then it would be a steal for the O’s.
But the Nats do seem to be the obvious partner for a Jonesy trade. The Nats have been active (at least in the rumor mill) in free agency the past few years, and have demonstrated a willingness to spend some $$$ on that front. So I think they would be willing to part with some of their young pitching, and fill in any gaps with a free agent acquisition(s).

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

I love it as long as we can sign a FA center fielder like Crisp

He would immediately fill a hole at the top of our order. I do not want to watch Matt Angle struggle to hit the ball out of the infield for an entire season.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Well, if it makes us better in the long run...

I mean, we made it through a year of Brandon Fahey, Luis Hernandez, Freddy Bynum, Alex Cintron, etc…at SS one season. Their combined OPS+ had to of been, like, -37, or something…

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be okay with the trade.

The biggest problem is…

… my grandmother.

She’s a casual O’s fan. She went ballistic when the O’s traded Bedard. I fear that if the O’s trade any of the name players, she and a lot of other casual fans would abandon the franchise. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t for the O’s.

The thing is though, if I’m the O’s and the Nats, I go bigger with this trade. I work in Guthrie and get the O’s another C+/B- prospect and a C prospect. It’ll hurt in the short term, but I think the O’s and the Nats are potential great partners for getting both franchises where they want to be.

by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

they might abandon the team for now

but they’d come back when the team is good again, which is more likely to happen if you trade some players away whose name they recognize. In summary, whatever Grandma.

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

But a serious question is

would Angelos put the kibosh on any potential trade w/ the Nats, fearing that it could hurt his bottom line?

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, good timing on the post.

My Nats jersey arrived today.

Ryan Zimmerman

by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like to hear some explanations for this

Methinks it has to do with a perceived higher value placed on Jonesy than any potential return.

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, it's interesting to look at that Nats prospect list from Fangraphs.

Lot of 2011 draftees on there, so they aren’t even eligible to be traded in our hypothetical scenario. Obviously, Jones isn’t getting the likes of Harper or Cole from the Nats either. Peacock is literally the highest ranked Nats prospect outside of the last two drafts.

Peacock has a good chance at developing into a reliable third starter at the MLB level. He shows a good fastball and his curveball should be a nice second weapon for him. His overall potential hinges on the changeup. If it doesn’t become more consistent, he could end up as a high-leverage reliever, most likely in the eighth inning.

That’s probably worth more to the O’s than is left remaining in Jones, sad as it is to say. But I think it could be a good trade for both teams, not that it will ever happen.

I should pick a team and take a crack at this next week.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

I voted no because if the Orioles were to trade Jones, I would want it to be for a top echelon prospect

I would like to see AJ Cole involved in the deal. I’m not sure this deal hurts the Nationals enough.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Dec 10, 2011 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

the goal isn't to hurt the Nationals

And I don’t think they’d give up Cole.

by Stacey on Dec 10, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted that this would be a win for the Nats,

but this is my favorite of the trade series so far. Definitely the most realistic.

by SeanP on Dec 10, 2011 4:20 AM EST reply actions  

I Think O's Fans Overvalue Jones, But What Do Other Clubs Think?

I can understand an Orioles fan overvaluing Adam Jones: he’s our best young player outside of Wieters. But I wonder what value other clubs place on him. On the one hand, he’s a 26 year-old, highly athletic center fielder who just posted his best season yet. But he’s never registered a three WAR season, an .800 OPS, or hit more than 26 doubles. He may be 26, but there’s little reason to expect him to grow into a technically sound defender, or significantly improve his strikeout to walk ratio. I just don’t see Jones becoming an elite player.

So what will a team give us for him? I really don’t know. But I’d love to find out.

by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Dec 10, 2011 4:44 AM EST reply actions  

That's why Stacey didn't ask for the moon in trade.

And why the trade is a very good proposal. I think it realistically values AJ, realistically evaluates the Nats’ needs and farm system. I like it. Very much. My only problem with it is that I also want to trade AJ in my Oakland A’s piece. He can’t go to two teams!

Mother, did it need to be so high.

by salvotion on Dec 10, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how we start a bidding war!

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 10, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The dumbest thing I ever heard!!

The dumbest thing I ever heard!!
The best player on your team for pie in the sky!!
Why doesn’t Markakis’ name come up in a trade scenario or the catcher???

by BillyGrffin2 on Dec 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

/sarcasm

…..right?

Mother, did it need to be so high.

by salvotion on Dec 10, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

stockpile the arms

i dig it.

Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"

by birdman on Dec 10, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

Is this a joke?

Overstating Jones? he hits for power, for average, is second on the team in pretty much every offensive category, gets better every year, is 26 years old, meaning he has yet to peak, and plays as good a defense as anyone else out there.

And you guys want to give us a couple of top-15 pitchers (one of whom is hurt; both of whom are "maybe"s) for him? Gee, too bad you lost Willie Harris and Daniel Cabrera; coulda been great throw-ins!

The Nats have Rendon, who is a natural third baseman. That means they can part with Zimmerman and not miss a beat. In fact, they would gain beats in center.

The Orioles’ best move of all with Jones is to keep him. They should be starting that process right now. If he won’t sign – which is almost a certainty – then we need to start looking into possible trading partners. And if Washington has the balls to offer us only a couple of mediocre minor league pitchers, they will not be one of them. Playing Jones off of the various teams who want him could be Albert-lite for the O’s. Assuming, of course, that they are nor too stupid to wait and wait and wait to start the process..

If the Nats want Jones, Zimmerman works for both sides. For the Orioles, value is being replaced by value. And the Nationals will be trading a position already replaced by a furure all-star and adding an all-star centerfielder. That’s two all-stars for one. Not too shabby. And this is not that bullshit talk of yours; this deal walks the walk.

BTW, isn’t this CamdenChat? Aren’t you guys supposed to be on our side?

by Fang Guy on Dec 11, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Rendon can't be traded until a year after he's been drafted, iirc

And, while we may partake in the Orange Flavor-Aid from time to time, this site is primarily dedicated to rational analysis of the O’s. Jones for Zimmerman is just not realistic. They could find an acceptable player to man CF and lot easier than they could find a replacement for Zimm at 3rd. On balance, the Nats would almost certainly lose production via that trade. Zimm is a demonstrated 5+ bWAR player when healthy, who is only 1 year older than Jones. So, he still has his prime years ahead of him as well.
This is a realistic (but not exact) blueprint for what a Jones-to-the-Nats trade might look like. According to Baseball America the O’s would be getting the Nats’ 3rd (and highest ranked pitching prospect) and 8th overall prospects. A good haul. Not great, but good.

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 11, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a year after he signs, not the draft.

I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James

by J(O's)elskIL on Dec 11, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, thanks.

He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...

by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 11, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

And I would say that's a great haul.

I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James

by J(O's)elskIL on Dec 11, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

Even though Zimmerman gets no love from the media, he is a superstar 3B, at the same level as Evan Longoria. No sane GM would trade Zimmerman for AJ.

Mother, did it need to be so high.

by salvotion on Dec 11, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Being second-best amongst a pile of crap isn't exactly much of a compliment.

I don’t think people around here entirely know what to make of Jones. He’s not as good as we wish he was. There are a lot of people who are Orioles fans/media who seem to think that Jones is better than he is (see: Jones winning the past season’s MVO award) and I fear that extending him will just add another Markakis contract to the payroll – the team paying what they want a player to be worth instead of what they’re actually worth.

The thing about Jones is he’s never even approached Markakis’ best season (2008 – .306/.406/.491) or his second-best season (.300/.362/.485 in 2007). Markakis appeared to be worth his extension and then his power vanished in his prime years. Jones has never showed the plate discipline to be a good-to-great MLB hitter, nor has he shown the freakish Vlad-like I’ll-hit-anything-and-hit-it-hard capability on which Vlad built a successful career. He’s a good baseball player who’s been among the best players on a series of abysmal Orioles teams. He’s fixated on batting .300 when it would be way more awesome if he was fixated on having an OBP of .400.

Is Jones going to continue to improve or is he the player he’s going to be? What can we realistically expect from him? Do we have any reason to believe he will learn to take a walk? If the power continues to develop, but not the OBP, maybe he’ll be a .290/.335/.500 player. That would be a career best slash line. An .835 OPS would have been 35th in MLB in 2011. What is that worth? What could it be worth to another team that thinks he will develop more than I think he will develop? I am not sure if such a team exists.

I do agree that if the Orioles were to shop Jones, they should make it a bidding war situation, but that’s not the purpose of 29 trades for 29 teams.

"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP

by Eat More Esskay on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You really think the Orioles can trade Adam Jones for one of the best players in baseball?

And, no, the Nats can’t just part with Zimmerman because they have Rendon. He dropped to the Nationals in the draft because of an injury that forced him to DH most of his final season in college, so there are question marks about that, and pre-draft analysis said he could move to another position.

by ahoque24 on Dec 11, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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