Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 7:29 AM EST
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PrintSources: Orioles' Alfredo Simon expected to be cleared of charges | orioles.com
Alfredo Simon could be released within the next week to 10 days from a Dominican Republic jail after ballistics have proven his gun didn't fire the fatal shot in the New Year's Day shooting of his cousin.
LATE ADDITION: Which Prospects Can Return the Orioles System to its Pre-2010 Status? - Minor League Ball
"While no one is expecting a minor league breakout like the Royals had, there is enough potential within the O’s system to restore them to the top 10 system they once were."
LATE ADDITION: ON Top 50 Prospects – #40: Eddie Gamboa
"He spent about half of 2010 in Bowie's rotation and the other half coming out of the bullpen. The results were much better when he came out of the 'pen."
LATE ADDITION: Orioles 2011 Preview Part II: Outfield « Eutaw Street and Beyond
The outfielders get a look today. Be ready to zoom in your screen, though - wow, is that type size small!
School of Roch: A few parting shots from camp
Vladimir Guerrero's beard may be safe! "[N]o, he hasn't shaved off the goatee. Nobody with the club seems to care about his facial hair. It's up to manager Buck Showalter to enforce the rule, and his focus is elsewhere. We'll see if it happens tomorrow."
Orioles reliever Michael Gonzalez has extra motivation this season - baltimoresun.com
Mike Gonzalez doesn't want to suck as bad as he sucked at the beginning of last year. 'Cause he sucked real bad then. Real bad.
Felix Pie and Nolan Reimold say they have no hard feelings - baltimoresun.com
Felix Pie and Nolan Reimold once appeared to be on a path toward regular playing time but are now on the roster bubble
Orioles manager Buck Showalter to kick off full-squad workouts Monday - baltimoresun.com
Everything kicks into gear today, as full-squad workouts begin.
Veteran righty David Riske determined to earn bullpen role with Orioles | orioles.com:
David Riske, a non-roster invitee for the first time in his MLB career, is hungry to prove he belongs in the Opening Day bullpen.
Orioles Insider: Orioles back off Lebron
Luis Lebron has been limited to flat ground work only.
Orioles Insider: Showalter says club will take it slow with Lee, not impossible both Pie and Reimold make club
Buck says it's possible for both Pie and Reimold to make the roster, but they know, and we know, and Buck knows that just isn't going to happen.
Former Pirates manager Russell has no regrets - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Only former Pirates manager John Russell could be fired from a club and go to the Orioles and it's an improvement in competitiveness. The Pirates haven't has a winning season in 18 years.
Career Profile: Mark Reynolds - Minor League Ball
Everything you've ever wanted to know about Mark Reynolds' career numbers.
Give him a C! O's greet Justin Duchscherer with misspelled jersey - Big League Stew
That's not good. Sorry, Justin Duchscherer. We'll try and always get it right around here.
O’s 13-year losing streak in jeopardy " Columns " Cumberland Times-News
Only a newspaper could frame that as a negative thing. A losing streak longer than a decade is "in jeopardy"? Really?
Steve Melewski: The time of year when hope does spring eternal
"Soon enough, the real games will start. And everything that excites us now like a position player reporting early and a pitcher having a strong bullpen session will be long, long forgotten." Just had to clip this after dfa mentioned it in yesterday's Open Thread.
Ripken Thinks Pujols Will Stay in St. Louis " CBS St. Louis
Baseball's Ironman says Cards star did the right thing in suspending negotiations.
Kevin Millwood rejects contract offer from Yankees | HardballTalk
I'll have some of whatever Kevin Millwood is drinking, Mr. Bartender...
Spring training preview: AL East - MLB - Sporting News
Perhaps the most perfunctory AL East preview I've read so far. You could probably write it by now: Can the O's keep up what Buck started, they brought in experienced vets, and oh, I like Brian Matusz as a break-out pitcher. See? I just saved you 3 minutes of reading this article.
Well, if you're not going to take this seriously, I will have to appoint the winner as Open Thread.
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So I got curious this morning and checked it out. The Os don’t see the Yankees from mid-May until late July. That means it’s almost certain that, um, Team won’t have to endure that 3,000th cheapie single to right center.
by thewaywardO on Feb 21, 2011 8:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he fish pumped
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
So, root canal's done...
But there ain’t no way I’m getting a scrip for Vicodin filled. I’d be out of commission for days. And two fillings tomorrow!
Kids, one word of advice – floss. That’s all I’m saying.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
I feel so stupid for flossing.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks man.
I’ll always remember that. My dentist didn’t say it enough, I guess.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
Ever had a root canal before?
Didn’t hurt the day it got done, but the next 3 days were unbearable, and all I had was tylenol. I was taking about 20 a day.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I had one a few months ago and it was surprisingly fine
apparently the procedure has improved substantialyl recently, and it was a front tooth, which is supposed to be much easier.
I have, and I get 2 fillings tomorrow
By Wednesday, I’m gonna be pretty grumpy.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Part II of the season preview is up.
http://eutawstreetandbeyond.com/2011/02/19/orioles-2011-preview-part-ii-outfield/
http://eutawstreetandbeyond.com/
Might be faster
if you just emailed the links to Stacey and I. Email addys are at the bottom of every page.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
In addition to being faster
it would annoy the locals a little less…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
how does a posted link possibly annoy you?
Are you kidding?
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
What? I never like seeing people hock their sites here unless it’s in BD.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
He's not some anonymous spammer
He’s been a member of this site for at least a year.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
Well, it HAS been a while since he's posted something other than a link to his blog
I wouldn’t say it’s annoying, but it would be easier if it was just in with the other links.
well he's going to email us from now on
And that really is what I prefer, but the truth is we can’t look at every single blog every single morning to see if there is something relevant to link to, so I don’t see why it matters.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
I sure as hell can't with 3Mbps DSL out here in the sticks
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Well I’ve only recently started noticing a lot of postings about his site – and almost every time somebody has made a comment about it (suggesting adding it to his signature or sending it in to be added to BD). Obviously I’m not the only one who made the mistake of assuming it was spam. And also I’m not sure it makes it that much better that he’s been a member of the site for a year – he’s only made 100 comments and as far as I can tell almost all of the recent ones have been references to his site.
Why are you getting all over me about this?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
"all over you" is a little strong
But I do think it’s kinda rich that you’re complaining about something in here being annoying when some of the most annoying arguments on here (that take me fourteen times as long to scroll past as it takes you to ignore that comment) involve you.
Also, I don’t like the use of “annoy the locals” as though you have more right to care about what’s going on here because you comment more. I don’t like that people come here and feel like they’re not free to say or post something without someone like you acting like they don’t belong.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
Fuck that shit
everybody has always been against spamming for as long as I’ve been coming to this site. The guy has 100 comments in a year and every one over the last few weeks references his site – are you kidding me right now?
Everybody is more than welcome to come here regardless of how long they’ve been a member or how many comments they’ve made or whatever, but if it feels like they’re spamming somebody is going to say something – as somebody has every time he’s done it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm not trying to single you out
but it’s not the first time people have written things that make it seem like this is some kind of exclusionary place and people have spoken up against it before and things like that make it sound like that’s how it is around here whether you think so or not.
Additionally, duck had already said something to you, there was no need for you to chime in.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
But that IS how it is around here
if you want to post a link send it to the mods. It’s not like I was saying don’t comment on here – I was just saying don’t spam on here.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Just because I don't comment on everything doesnt mean
I dont visit the site every single day. I just started a blog and I was trying to get some more views, so why not try and get some views from a site like camden chat that is established and respected? I dont understand the problem here. From now on I’ll send emails so no worries.
http://eutawstreetandbeyond.com/
No worries indeed.
There’s no problem at all if you go through the right channels, but if you’re just constantly throwing up links to your site in bird droppings it’s going to feel like spamming to me (and apparently others).
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Alright thats it
anyone with more than 1000 comments is now on strike. By this time tomorrow, the only two commenting here will be Stacey and fix, who will clearly break the virtual picket line.
by kba26 on Feb 21, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
SCAB! SCAB! SCAB!
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
My dues better have gone to a strike relief fund.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
You'll recieve 2% per week of everything you contributed
we’d go higher, but who knows how long this might last
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
hotlink pwned.
Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I get all my game threads back!
They’ll be just as good the second time, right?
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to see Simon looking to get cleared. This story has made me so glad I live in this country as opposed to say, the Dominican Republic.
So what ever happened to the story that he changed the barrel of the handgun he turned over to the cops?
inquiring minds want to know.
moral of the story?
if youre having problems with someone, go to the DR
You cant spell POOP without O's
In other words...
…LA justice = DR justice. Isn’t that nice.
Nice story, but absence of evidence is nevertheless absence of evidence. You’ve got witnesses saying he fired the gun in the air, which is stupid but not illegal. And you’ve got nothing tying his gun to the killing bullets.
Saying, well, he might have been lying is pretty poor evidence. And they held him without bail even after ballistics tests said it wasn’t the same gun the bullets came out of.
Yeah, that's my question
You said ballistic tests proved it wasn’t the same gun. Where did that information come from is all I’m asking? I never saw that the information was released by authorities.
well the report from espn could all be a false report. I’m inclined to believe it isn’t, but that’s a trust issue.
Do you read Dominican Republic press released? Because I certainly don’t, and as such am pretty sure I’ve never read what was released by DR authorities.
This is just one case… if you’re “inquiring mind wants a big picture” allow me to direct you to the US State departments documentation on Human Rights in the Dominican Republic.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/wha/119157.htm
I thought Britt was
She was the first I saw on Twitter.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, no offense
but posting a fanpost with a link to Britt’s story isn’t actually being the first to report it.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
Our sarcasm detectors took that day off, too.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Ha ha, NOBODY wants to pitch for the Yankees this year.
Millwood rejects Yankees’ minor-league offer.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Cuz he's got no one to mentor there
He’d be like the one the youngest guys on the team.
"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
so
The Yankees are hoping to find competence from the group to provide cover until they can … find a quality alternative in the trade market.
be sure not to trade your other competent players, uh, like, such as, uh Jeter. This way you can such as, build up the future.
but really, I doubt they are going to be bad but it seems to me that they are just not all there this year.
Do you even READ the damn links anymore???
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What, now you're expecting people to read below the cut?
Crazy talk, duck.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Loads fine on my phone
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And speaking of justice, since we have some legal folks here (law students, interns, etc)
last week I spent over three hours on the witness stand trying to convince a labor relations panel that Weingarten v NLRB only applied to employees who were facing the prospect of receiving discipline, and not those called as simply witnesses. Our contention is that only those facing disciplinary sanctions are entitled to union representation, but not witnesses who are members of the labor union. Google and report back. I know, it’s not baseball, but I have today off, and I’m bored.
If not, then why the hell am I paying NEA dues???
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is gonna get lost in the string about teachers unions, but here goes...
…all we are saying is that the Supreme Court said that if you are in a union and are being questioned in regard to misconduct, you are allowed to have union representation when questioned about said misconduct. It says nothing about if you are a witness to someone else’s misconduct. If who you work for says you can have representation as a witness, that’s cool. My city’s position is that no legal decision says a witness HAS to be allowed representation if they aren’t facing discipline. An obscure detail, but it’s huge for my department in regard to what the labor board’s decision will be.
If that testimony can be used against me by my employer at some point in the future
than a union lawyer better be sitting in that damn room or I want my dues back. And school administrators are a vindictive bunch.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
That's the whole point of our argument. It can't be used against you.
If you say something as a witness that could lead to misconduct on your part, all questioning must stop. You must then be noticed that you are being investigated for misconduct and nothing you said in your previous interview can be used against you, other than the fact that you may have done something wrong. And at that point, you are entitled to union representation. That’s pretty much what the Supreme Court said, but the union leadership that represents our police officers union thinks everyone interviewed in a disciplinary investigation should be allowed representation. Our management, which I represent, disagrees.
YOU say it can't be used against me
Two year from now, when my supervisor has a niece who needs a Social Studies job, things might be different.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
I totally hear what you're saying
I just like to think that the people I work for and represent would not stoop to that level. But I guess that’s why the National Labor Relations Board was created. To deal with douchebag employers.
School administrators would TOTALLY stoop to that level.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
best shape of his life?
a brief note on ryan drese…
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
Documentary
I saw Waiting for Superman last night, a documentary on the public school system, and it was pretty damn fascinating.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Corporate propaganda at its worst
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
really?
Obviously it was pretty anti-teachers union, though the banks of incompetent teachers have to be discouraging to competent teachers.
Plus it’s not as if the director isn’t a blue dog.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Well, it's like that one teacher interviewed in the movie said.,..
Oh, wait, that’s right – NOT ONE TEACHER was interviewed, were they?
12 Most Frustrating Moments of ‘Waiting For Superman’
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
unions still suck
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
boo.
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
you're right...
…we should go back to:
- working for starvation wages
- for 75 hours or more a week
- on Saturdays, Sundays and hoidays
- beside our children (keeps families together)
- with zero benefits
- for the rest of our now shortened life spans
At least then we won’t be able to complain about how unions suck anymore.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
by Jonny Pops on Feb 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for the rest of our now shortened life spans
Well, it would be fewer years of watching the Orioles suck.
In seriousness, yes unions were great and necessary. I’m not sure that they are still necessary. Or are you suggesting that they will always be necessary?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
our wages have stagnated for decades and will soon drop.
our healthcare costs are through the roof.
many people have no healthcare whatsoever.
businesses ship our jobs overseas.
how could unions not still be necessary? the economic problems facing this country are in many ways linked hand in hand with the decline of the labor movement.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Average median income of middle class familes
has FALLEN in relation to inflation since Reagan took office in 1981.
FALLEN. As in, middle class families were better of 32 years ago than they are now.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
While prices have gone through the roof...
…on housing and health care.
Flat screens have come down though. Helps you not to think about the other stuff.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
I thought the intent of the union,
was to protect against unsafe working conditions, not ensure a vibrant middle class.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
safe working conditions are a means to an end,
a bare minimum requirement for the larger goal of a healthy, robust and secure middle class.
"If you’re not in with the Orioles, then you can ply your trade somewhere else." - Buck Showalter
So what role did the UAW have in the collapse of that industry?
If any?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
UAW
is not the only autoworkers union in the world that negotiated hard ass concessions from automakers. The Germans and Japanese both have active and aggressive unions in their auto industries as well. The difference is those countries made cars people wanted to buy.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
I love being on the same side of an argument with you for a change!
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
It's not so rare.
It’s just that that Vlad/ReimPie argument lasted for 2+ weeks during the slow part of the offseason.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Lest we overlook our past...
And certain lawmakers want to REPEAL child labor laws, as they are too cumbersome for businesses.
I tell you, I’m beginning to think corporatists in this country don’t want to take us back to the “good ol’ days” of the 1950s, but the days of the 1830s.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Well I'm anti-union in general, but I'm most especially anti-teacher unions.
The quality of education in this country is horrible when compared to other countries, and the unions are the biggest reason why.
Teachers unions will “fight for the children” … when the children start paying their dues…
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
All I'm saying is that teacher usions collect dues from teachers, not children.
Why does anyone care about teachers? I care about the children, myself. My whole life, teachers bitch about their jobs. I work harder than they work.
The best couple teachers I had in high school were not in the teachers union.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
While I am sorry for you in your high school experience...
You’re absolutely out of your fucking mind if you think you work harder than most teachers.
/prior repport cited :)
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
DAMMIT
/prior RAPPORT cited
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
you're a TEACHER, right? ;)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm like four years out of high school, duck.
And I might eventually become a teacher myself. I know that entering a union is one of the last things I want to do.
I’m a worker. I took my first paper route when I was 9 years old. When I stopped delivering, I had worked myself up to 3 and a half routes and bringing home almost $700 a month pre-taxes. I’ve worked for a lot of different places now because I was employed throughout high school. I’ve never been fired, I’ve always quit for a better job. At every job, I kick ass and find more things to do, take on new responsibilities. I know I have value in a number of different things, and I am VERY comfortable talking to superiors about my job requirements, responsibilities, and wages.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
So when that kid you give a B on a homework assignment
says you touched her in a bad place, don’t call the union. You can defend that allegation all by yourself. Good luck with that.
Or, when the building principal notices you have a physical disability (like my son). and decides the county’s health insurance premiums may go up if you need surgery, and it would be cheaper to fire you, don’t call a union. Handle it yourself.
Or, when an assistant principal has a daughter who’s graduating in May in the same area in which you’re certified and she needs a job. well, don’t call the union when you’re shit-canned after one year and Little Miss Sunshine replaces you. Handle that yourself.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
by duck on Feb 21, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So when that kid you gave a B on a homework assignment says you touched her in a bad place, don’t call the union. You can defend that allegation all by yourself. Good luck with that.
A lot of people take that risk everyday. I know I do.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
If you're a teacher and not a union member
for at least the liability coverage, I’d argue you’re playing Russian Roulette with 3 chambers full. Most homeownership polices that SAY they provide coverage only provide reimbursement after a finding of not guilty. If charges are dropped before trial? You’re still on the hook for your lawyer’s fees.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Huh? Who else takes that risk every day?
I know I haven’t been that situation once in my 6 years of corporate life or 7 years of internships, part-time retail work, etc.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I work with clients privately
any of them could easily say that I am harrassing them. There are tons of situations where something like that can happen.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Are they children???
I work with clients too and they all know that if they do something like that and are found out they will be fired and likely sued. Children don’t have those consequences or that knowledge. It’s not even remotely comparable.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
must be nice knowing everything...
It’s not even remotely comparable.
I work with a vulnerable population. I don’t have a union. I take risks every day, just like everybody else, union or otherwise.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I don't know what vulnerable population means
or what it has to do with dealing with people that don’t have a concept of consequences. But that union protection exists for a reason – if there was a reason in your job you’d have one. That’s really the bottom line.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
we voted no on a union,
because we don’t think management is trying to screw us over. Some of my competitors do have a union.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Again
worrying about management trying to screw you is not the only reason to unionize. And it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with worrying about whether your client will claim sexual harassment.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
the point
is that just because ‘x might happen’ doesn’t mean you need a union. If you want to tell yourself ’I’m protected from x happening because of my union’ that’s fine. But it’s a perfectly legitimate position to not believe that either. There’s no “bottom line” because the world isn’t black and white.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Right
the point is if x might happen and does happen A LOT you might need a union. And if you combine x with a whole bunch of other things (budget cuts, constant pressure for layoffs, stripping of benefits, etc) then you definitely need a union.
I’m not a member of a union so I don’t need to tell myself anything, but there’s obviously very good reason the teachers have a union and you don’t. As you said you voted against it so obviously there was no reason to have one. I’m not quite sure what you’re actually arguing right now – that you face similar threats and you don’t need a union so nobody needs a union? Again I call bullshit on that.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
what I'm arguing with is that,
just because Bruce Springsteen over there might get sued for sexual harrassment doesn’t mean that he needs a union.
There are a lot of jobs that face that kind of possibility. There are pros and cons to having a union. But simply because some student might say he/she was sexually harrassed doesn’t mean that absent a union a process wouldn’t take place to hear the grievance.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
You've now turned Duck's
point about the potential for lawsuits into the entire argument when in reality it’s 1/100th of the reasons teachers needed and got a union. And even within that singular point you keep making ridiculous comparisons instead of recognizing that the threat of lawsuits faced by teachers is significantly higher than you from your clients or bruce springsteen from…whomever you were going to use as a made up example.
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um, sure
So I work with mentally ill youth. Am I at less risk than duck? Oh right…
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
your lack of certitude is disconcerting
Regardless, the point is that the risk of being sued for sexual harrassment is not reason for having a union.
That’s the point.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
And for the 20th time
nobody is arguing that is the sole reason for having a union. I’ve made that point at least 5 times and you just keep hammering on your personal risk for a lawsuit.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
there's that charming certitude!
Duck raised the issue of a reason for having a union the threat of sexual harrassment. I stated that other professions carry similar risk without a union.
This is one case of why having a union is not necessary…
BUT KEEP THINKING I’M NOT LISTENING
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Hard to think anything else
based on your responses. And again I don’t think you’ve made anywhere near a convincing argument that other professions face similar threat of litigation and are not unionized. You certainly haven’t clarified how you personally face as strong a threat of litigation other than by saying you work with “mentally ill youth,” which by itself isn’t particularly convincing as DC already pointed out.
Here’s a sampling for why it sure seems like you’re not listening:
I said:
the point is if x might happen and does happen A LOT you might need a union. And if you combine x with a whole bunch of other things (budget cuts, constant pressure for layoffs, stripping of benefits, etc) then you definitely need a union.
I’m not a member of a union so I don’t need to tell myself anything, but there’s obviously very good reason the teachers have a union and you don’t. As you said you voted against it so obviously there was no reason to have one. I’m not quite sure what you’re actually arguing right now – that you face similar threats and you don’t need a union so nobody needs a union? Again I call bullshit on that.
And you responded with:
what I’m arguing with is that,
just because Bruce Springsteen over there might get sued for sexual harrassment doesn’t mean that he needs a union.
There are a lot of jobs that face that kind of possibility. There are pros and cons to having a union. But simply because some student might say he/she was sexually harrassed doesn’t mean that absent a union a process wouldn’t take place to hear the grievance.
Nowhere does anybody in this entire thread say or even imply that teachers need a union “simply because some student might say he/she was sexually harrassed.”
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whatever
duck stated:
So when that kid you gave a B on a homework assignment says you touched her in a bad place, don’t call the union. You can defend that allegation all by yourself. Good luck with that.
I disagree with his point. Whether you think I made a convincing argument or not matters not. It’s your opinion. We all face varying amounts of risk for varying issues. Colleagues of mine do work 1 on 1 with “at risk” kids with various kinds of mental illnesses; I work with some juvenile offenders, and I’m sure they would never claim sexual harrassment ever. If such a situation were to arise, there is a protocol in place to address the issue. Is it as stern as if it would be if a union were there? I’m sure it isn’t. But again, it’s a risk that is taken.
Obviously I don’t believe that just because of that situation is the only reason teachers believe they need a union.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Sure that's a risk
is it as significant a risk as working with 30 kids every single day? Probably not.
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It actually depends on what you constitute as mentally ill
Schizophrenic teenagers? You’re probably at a lot of risk. Low functioning downs? Not so much.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
No, I pretty much joined for the liability insurance
I ain’t even gonna lie.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
What the shit does doing a good job have to do with being in a union?
Unions are not designed to protect people who don’t work hard, no matter how hard the GOP tries to convince you that’s the case.
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Unions DO try to protect people who don't do their job
at least in the union I used to be a member of. While I’m all about what the unions do in terms of pay and benefits, at least the ones I know do every thing they can to make sure slackers are not held accountable. If you fuck up, stand up and take your punishment. I’m not talking about Draconian punishment, but if you should get a letter of reprimand, so be it. But the unions I know want no accountabily whatsoever for employees who fuck up.
it's a valid point
we all know the story of the union member that gets to float along. every union should actively work to ensure that they provide the best labor possibly available – and are compensated accordingly.
but all too often these stories are used as red herrings by forces that simply want to take away the power of their work force.
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JP, you hit the nail right on the head
but I would ask people who are serious about this argument to take a look at what the Clark County firefighters in Las Vegas have gotten away with for years in regard to sick leave and overtime abuse. As I said, I’m all about unions, but if you check this stuff out, it’s pretty sickening. And the union shares a great deal of responsibility.
They try to protect ANYBODY from unfair treatment
People being fired for cause are going to be shit out of luck regardless of the union except for very unique situations. Can you provide some examples of unions actively and openly advocated for “slackers”?
I think the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the direction of labor in some industries, but the protections that they’ve fought tooth and nail for were essential due to the actions of management before unions had any strength. Have some slackers survived as a result of those protections that wouldn’t have were it not for unions? Sure, but the cases of that are tiny compared to the discrimination, mistreatment, and outright abuse that workers faced and would continue to face were it not for those protections.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Slackers? How about downright theft
I investigated someone who stole over $12,000, and the union fought so hard to get a letter of reprimand lifted from his personnel file that it was removed. MF should have been fired, or sent to jail, and he got nothing. I can give all kinds of examples of the unions in the area I work and live in fighting tooth and nail for employees who should be shitcanned to get no punishment at all.
It comes down to responsible union management. And alot of times, union management refuses to allow their members to be held accountable for wrongdoing.
Again, I’m all about unions and what they have done for me, but all too often they think they are above the law when it comes to employee misconduct.
If it was theft
why wasn’t the person charged with a crime? Seems like there HAS to be more to the story than that. I’m guessing if there wasn’t enough evidence to charge the person with a crime there probably wasn’t enough evidence to fire them.
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Because the union got involved...
It’s shit like this that has so many states wanting to take away collective bargaining rights from union employees.
And no, there isn’t any more to the story than that. Other than union involvement.
The union can influence the police department's ability to charge a crime???
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No, absolutely not
But they can influence the City Manager to order the Chief of Police to let sleeping dogs lie. If the City Manager doesn’t give a flying fuck that $12,000 of City money was stolen, there’s not a whole lot anyone who has a sense of right and wrong can do other than quit their job. I’m not quite there yet.
Again
this sounds like a pretty absurd example – I’m still very confused as to why the police would not charge them with a crime if there’s evidence of a crime.
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Ask the former City Manager
who is no longer employed.
And as far as absurd goes, I used to be vice president of our union, and I never would have thought any of this shit would have ever happened, either.
So does that mean the problem's solved?
And again I’m sure weird shit like that happens, but the fact that you were VP of your union and never thought shit like that would have happened tells me it is pretty rare which is a good thing.
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No, same union. New City Manager
but nothing’s changed. I just appreciate the old union for what they did for me in terms of pay and benefits, and despise the current one for their sense of entitlement and thinking its members are above facing any type of discipline for wrongdoing.
There are valid concerns about the teachers union
but these just sound like whiny jealousy.
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what steve said
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I will say from my experience
I have never seen that.
Now, I’m a association rep fr my school. God knows it’s not a union in MD, that would mean you could legally strike, which we can’t.
We went into teaching to teach. The overwhelming majority could find work for more pay in the private sector.
That said, I’m not crying poverty. But I do demand to be treated with respected as a person with a graduate degree and 17 years experience. I’m not a 7 year old child. And that’s how most administrators tend to deal with teachers. And that’s why the relationship between teachers and their boards of education is almost always antagonistic.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
and that sucks.
but what about the children? I know when I was in high school, a lot of the teachers sucked. I was on the honor roll my whole middle school, and most of my high school.
Where is the student’s union? There are a lot of 16 and 17 year old kids who are bored in school right now, who actually love to learn, but instead are stuck literally copying word-for-word a lecture on powerpoint. Where is the student’s union that can say “hey some of these teachers are waaaaay too dependent on powerpoint are are killing our desire to learn?”
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by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
They're called YOUR PARENTS
and I’m pretty sure the school and county offices phone numbers are in the phone book.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
shoot my parents couldn't help me with math by the time I was in 10th grade
Duck, I’m sure you’re not one of them. In fact, I like to think of you as being a great teacher, one that kids look forward to seeing. If I skipped first period and lunch, I would come back just to go to your class…that kind of teacher.
Parents are responsible for most things, but teachers need to teach. Some teachers give out A’s. Some teachers seem more content with getting through a day than actually teaching.
In my senior year when I went to AACC part-time, it just hit me. At AACC, there is no teachers union that I know of. There are way too many teachers there that basically got a masters in some subject and are stuck teaching it at community colleges because they can’t find a job in their field. And they can’t teach. It’s not just a union thing, and it’s not just a high school thing. It’s a country-wide problem.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
But your parents could advocate you getting better classes
at the HS level. God knows we see a million schedule changes every year, This year, 3 kids left my US History (Honors) class when I explained how much homework and primary source reading there would be.
So, for all the HS kids, here’s a secret. If your parents yell loud enough, and to enough people at the Board of Ed, you can get into just about any class you want.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Anti-union =/= time machine to industrial revolution
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by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy to understand this.
I just watched the episode where they determine it was murder for the first time this weekend.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Feb 21, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone says that, until they need one
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
I'll depend on myself.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
keep telling yourself that.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Isn’t the idea that you don’t need help from others as mythical as others being there for you?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Feb 21, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the success of societies
throughout history has come from the success of the systems, organizations and institutions they’ve been able to implement. obviously our capacity to be able help and trust one another on a personal level is limited. but we have been able to devise systems with the goals of helping the society overall which have been very successful at times. unfortunately there’s tons of money to be made for some in disassembling many of these systems – and that’s the period of American history we’ve been in since Reagan was sworn in in 1981.
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by Jonny Pops on Feb 21, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm no fan of Reagan,
But unions are not some magic elixir either. Everybody gets so dug in on their sides, we end up with stupid tests, meaningless standards and teachers who get paid not to teach (or whatever stupid things both side argue for).
In the end, the current system is not serving anyone well.
IMO
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
the current system
is very closely related to the decline of unions.
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I mean...
…the schools are in many ways being asked to pick up the slack for first an agricultural then an industrial labor market that no longer exists. It used to be if you weren’t cut out for school you went down to the factory and got a job. And that was what a huge portion of the country did.
But the factory’s not there anymore. It’s in China. So we’re all hoping and praying and begging the schools to bail out people who otherwise just wouldn’t have been in a white collar job market. There’s only so much schools can do.
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Because corporations are historically fair to their workers?
Ask any former Bethlehem Steel employee how that pension’s working out.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
the corporation I work for now, I feel treated very well
And I’m sure that they are very happy with the work I have done for them.
If that changes, I’ll have to look for another job, duck.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure you do
and you’ll probably continue to feel that way until you don’t. And if the reason you no longer feel treated fairly is because you become disabled and can’t just “look for another job” then you’ll be shit out of luck.
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how well..
…can you be treated for less than $12 an hour?
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I'm pretty well treated
I know that 11.77 doesn’t sound like much, but with 40 hours, it (could) pay the bills. At basically entry level, with benefits (and a free $1,200 on a flex card). For 21 years old, I think it’s pretty damn good. Only one of my friends makes more than I do. Three of my good friends have been working serving/hostessing for two restaurants each (50-60 hours) , and make less than I.
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by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's fine for 21...
….but when you’re all grownsed up and trying to make it on your own, that’s a difficult amount of money to get by with.
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I can imagine.
I’m not working at the job I want to work at for the rest of my life.
I’ll be over $12 in april and probably $14 in april 2012, and then I should be getting a degree around that time.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
but on the other hand
My dad hasn’t had a bonafide job for almost 5 years, and my mom has been working for $14, and they’ve been able to pay the mortgage somehow, and other than that, they have no debt other than a care credit card.
The only thing that I really contribute is on groceries and cable.
I could easily move out into a pretty nice roomate situation with my money, but yeah, I wouldn’t try to marry or have kids with 11.77 either. Not that I should be thinking about marriage at 21 anyway though.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
im just guessing, and i could be wrong....
but if your parents can pay a mortgage by making a combined income of about 28k a year, your house is probably pretty close to being paid off and/or was bought well before the housing bubble. So for an older couple that may be plenty of money, but the cost of housing has gone up soooooo much in that last 10 years that 28k/year really doesnt get you much
I don't have a union job, I work in the healthcare field,
and there are parts of it that suck, but I don’t think management is trying to screw me over.
I think the issue is management…I agree that in the private sector there are definitely motives to work on the short term profit rather than the long term advantage given that CEOs are simply concerned with the latest quarterly earnings report, but I’m not sure how the presence of a union is going to alter than.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I've been in a union, it was the worst job I could ever hope to have,
worst pay I’ve ever worked for, and I worked six months without a raise or a promotion. and they took two bucks every week. Oh, and no benefits.
I get basically the same job (grocery) across the street, one with no union, and I have benefits. After two years there, now I get $11.77 an hour, with another raise promised on my anniversary in April.
Work for YOUR terms. Prove your value. Negotiate your own salary. Be a man… man! Talk to your supervisors every day about what is expected and how the company can be improved.
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by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
you have very little leverage individually
it has nothing with being a man, or whatever other platitudes you wish to throw around. the macros show that in order to get a fair shake as a worker you are far better off with organized labor than without. your experience at the Giant or wherever is so specific it’s like defining a ballplayer based on one AB.
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dude
she can blog from the kitchen. as long as she keeps an eye on that timer and doesn’t let the pie crust burn.
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I could talk on here about pie all day
really can’t wait to switch to a different work/sleep schedule this summer when I’ll actually be here while conversations take place.
I added crushed rasberries to a banana custard pie last week, PLUS the crust came out better than ever before. I was in heaven for a little while when that happened.
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by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no fan of Rhee,
and she is made to look heroic, but it does seems like a major problem. I really have no dog in this fight, and honestly I would advocate catholic schools for me, but obviously the community is only as strong as its schools. I have long held the opinion that the problem with failing schools is the parents, but I’m not so sure any more. So maybe in your root canal fog, you can answer a few questions:
1. Is the issue of incompetent teachers a problem? How would you go about solving it, and how would the teacher’s union?
2. Are teachers well paid? My dad taught in west baltimore for 30+ years and I was shocked to learn that teachers are getting paid $60K. My dad hasn’t taught in a long time, but I think he would spin in his grave at that figure.
3. What’s the problem with extending the school day?
4. Will there come a day without a teacher’s union?
I have to say, coming into that documentary, I was pretty anti-charter school. It seemed a little, well, evolution is merely a theory, shall we say. It was pretty eye opening to see how popular they are. And really, the daily kos’s criticism of the documentary was a little off. I really want to avoid getting involved political talk, but let’s say I’m pretty close to Markos on most things. Guggenheim did mention the problem with charter schools (i.e., only 1 in 5 “succeed” however you want to measure that). But that wasn’t really the point of the documentary it seemed to me.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
The enormous, glaring problem...
…with the…film – calling it a documentary is an insult to documentary filmmakers – is that the answer he not so subtly pushes is so fraught with results bearing the fruit of massive pre-selection on the part of the charter schools, that it’s an absolute joke. Sure, if you come from a family that’s serious about your education and gets you into a serious environment for success, your test scores will go up. This much is obvious. The problem is that especially in poor communities, but plenty of other places too, families are not serious about education and neither are the schools nor the politicians. The film does nothing to address that, while patting itself on the back as though it found the answers.
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I guess,
It seems like the problem was: what solutions have actually worked to resolve this problem? The filmmaker points to one solution. He didn’t omit the statistics about charter schools…though I suppose the point was 1 in 5 is better than 1 in 0/1. I walked away with the impression that the KIPP school model worked, not that the charter school model worked.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Again though...
…the models he touts are based on pre-selection. They only take motivated students from families that are gung ho about getting their kids in.
So it’s basically like saying “Wow, that All Star team had a shitload of guys who hit for serious power and could throw the ball over 95 miles an hour.” Yeah…no shit.
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Public schools MUST take everybody who walks in their doors
As a superintendent once said at our Opening Day meeting…
“We’re responsible for the education of every child in this county until age 21 except for six currently housed in the county detention center. And they will get out within 6 months. Then they’re ours, too.”
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
exactly...
…so how do you take that set of all inclusive parameters and make it work. That’s what we need the answers to.
I have one answer myself – and it’s a little controversial in this day and age where everything can be diagnosed and all feelings must be respected at all times. It’s an old fashioned concept called…
SHAME
If you can’t graduate from high school, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Your family ought to be ashamed of you. The ought be ashamed of themselves too. Your community ought to be ashamed of you. Ignorance and idiocy should be causes for shame, shame and more shame. And if people’s social networks support that view, you will see test scores rising through te roof throughout this country.
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typos should be causes for shame too...
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Shame doesn't exist in many communities now
If a kid doesn’t graduate because he refused to do homework for 4 years or cut that half-year shop class he needed to graduate that he failed 3 times and the school offered ONE MORE TIME his senior year, well; it’s the school’s fault, of course. Not their precious little snowflake.
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I blame some of this...
…on our leadership. We have a culture that is so averse to taking responsibility for things that it has pervaded everyone’s mindset it seems.
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Not to mention
a political culture where one party regularly ridicules educational achievement every every chance they get.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Hey, something we seriously agree on. Sweet!
But it’s hard to have shame when even having expectations and standards is considered wrong, or judgmental, or whatever.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Charter schools have a 1 in 6 chance of improving a kid's education IF...
1) The kid gets through the selection process
2) The charter school has a SHIT TON of $$$ to spend. The program highlighted by that dude Canada on WfS is several times more expensive than most districts spend per kid
3) Doesn’t have a SpEd issue. Charter schools don’t address the wide range of Special Education needs. Not just your garden variety ADHD, but…
a) mental retardation (I have had kids with a full-scale IQ of 60 in my class that test as pre-reading on the Lexile scale, and that’s grade 9).
b) Autistic – I’ve had kids bang their head on the desk because I asked “Why was it important Europeans explored America?” Her answer? In tears, she said, “My brain can’t think that way.” Every time I started a question with “Why”, she cried. Every time.
c) Asberger’s? John, she doesn’t want her hair touched. Please keep your hands to yourself. Rinse, repeat 50X a class period.
d) OCD? I’ve had kids wear white cloth gloves in case they touch anyone else, and refuse to do assignments without the proper color ink pen.
e) Oppositional-defiant? Oh, those are fun ones. “John, I need you to take out your pencil now, please.” “Fuck you, man, I take my damn pencil out when I fucking feel like it. You ain’t my fuckin’ dad. I ain’t talking to you. Why you all up in my business? I don’t even have a fucking pencil.” Think I’m exaggerating? I’m not.
4) Never questions what the school does. Legal defense will burn a hole in a budget. Try and tell a parent ’No" at an IEP meeting or a 504 meeting and what happens next? Here come the lawyers.
If anyone could prove to me there’s a system that can be available to all and defeat the obstacles I have listed above, I’m all for trying.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Charter schools have a 1 in 6 chance of improving a kid's education IF...
1) The kid gets through the selection process
2) The charter school has a SHIT TON of $$$ to spend. The program highlighted by that dude Canada on WfS is several times more expensive than most districts spend per kid
3) Doesn’t have a SpEd issue. Charter schools don’t address the wide range of Special Education needs. Not just your garden variety ADHD, but…
a) mental retardation (I have had kids with a full-scale IQ of 60 in my class that test as pre-reading on the Lexile scale, and that’s grade 9).
b) Autistic – I’ve had kids bang their head on the desk because I asked “Why was it important Europeans explored America?” Her answer? In tears, she said, “My brain can’t think that way.” Every time I started a question with “Why”, she cried. Every time.
c) Asberger’s? John, she doesn’t want her hair touched. Please keep your hands to yourself. Rinse, repeat 50X a class period.
d) OCD? I’ve had kids wear white cloth gloves in case they touch anyone else, and refuse to do assignments without the proper color ink pen.
e) Oppositional-defiant? Oh, those are fun ones. “John, I need you to take out your pencil now, please.” “Fuck you, man, I take my damn pencil out when I fucking feel like it. You ain’t my fuckin’ dad. I ain’t talking to you. Why you all up in my business? I don’t even have a fucking pencil.” Think I’m exaggerating? I’m not.
4) Never questions what the school does. Legal defense will burn a hole in a budget. Try and tell a parent ’No" at an IEP meeting or a 504 meeting and what happens next? Here come the lawyers.
If anyone could prove to me there’s a system that can be available to all and defeat the obstacles I have listed above, I’m all for trying.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
special ed/mental health issues
I don’t the point is that special needs kids should be ignored. I think the issue is the design of the spending though.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I'm saying Charter Schools don't have to take them
Most counties will tell you up to 1/3 of their educational resources (i.e. MONEY) is burned up on 10% of the kids in SpEd. I’m not arguing that money shouldn’t be spent.
What I am arguing is it’s disingenuous to compare charter and private schools, who legally do NOT have to offer SpEd services, to schools who must. You’re not comparing similar subjects in the test environments.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
I guess what I have trouble with
is the idea that what you seem to be suggesting is that there is little that can be done to improve the performance of low performing schools and really most kids. Outside of increased spending, which won’t happen? It certainly feels like there are some problems caused by the bureacracy and the union.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
We need competition in the schools.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see unions as the problem
School bureaucracy? Sure. Absolutely insane amounts of red tape and ridiculous mandates concerning Special Education students? Sure.
To me, it’s a kids and parents problem, mostly. I get kids who simply don’t want to learn, refuse to learn, and whose parent (and it’s almost always ‘parent’, singular) won’t require them to learn.
I can teach any kid who is willing to walk in and learn. Reading level at 2nd grade? Sure. You need everything I hand you enlarged? Got it. Have a degenerative muscle disease that leaves you unable to speak? If you’re willing to learn and work, you’ll learn in my classroom.
But give me a perfectly healthy 14 year old who steadfastly refuses to learn, refuses to do any work and skips class at least weekly, and there’s just not much I can do.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Yep.
I tend towards the pro-private-education side of the debate, but the biggest issues are really ones of parents, cultures, and attitudes, not incompetent teachers. A kid who wants to learn can get by with bad teachers, but a kid who doesn’t want to learn won’t get anything out of even great ones.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It goes both ways though.
I think it’s larger than just a kids/parents issue, it’s a societal issue. This society puts out teachers too.
I went to a public school for about two years without knowing sign language but while being deaf, where the teacher sent me to the back of the class for the whole day so I could read books on a bean bag. When I got my cochlear implant and returned to school, I remained very “self-taught.”
I know that when I was in high school, a quarter to a third didn’t teach me much of anything, but I’d spend the whole class reading the fascinating textbooks that they gave me.
It’s not purely a kids/parents issue. My brother and my best friend both dropped out of high school because they had some mental health issues that made school unbearable and learning impossible. They got their GEDs and are pretty much not hindered. One of them is still in college, four years later and working for a data rescue organization. My brother does his own thing in cali.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Feb 21, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
"Burned"?
I know you’re not saying the money shouldn’t be spent, but please explain to me how spending money to improve the lives of those who have less of a chance to live a normal life than the rest of us constitutes “burning.” With proper instruction, many of these special needs children can live healthy, productive lives. Would you rather they rot and be more of a problem to take care of? I want to be a Special Ed teacher, as I’ve told you before, and I believe that with the proper care these children can be reached.
IDEA has its flaws, for sure, but this money is not burned. That’s like saying we are burning money by trying to improve education in impoverished districts. These kids need help, and you’re criticizing a system that wants to help them? Sure, a lot of funding is put forth for Special Education. However, the reason a lot of schools are far behind (by No Child Left Behind standards) is because the statistics are skewed. The special needs students do not get proper help, and they falter as a result. Therefore, the whole school falters. If you want to improve this country’s horrific, flawed system, fine. But please don’t put the blame on Special Education funding.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
It's money that charter schools don't have to spend that public schools do.
Charter schools = ability to filter out SpEd kids. Test scores go up, expenses go down. It may not be nice to say it out loud, but it’s true.
Public schools = must spend $$$ on SpEd, must accept SpEd students. Test scores go down. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
I’m not arguing public schools are wrong or that SpEd money is a waste of time. EVERY child must be offered a free and appropriate public education.
But don’t judge the job I’m doing as a teacher or my school by comparing me against a teacher and a school who doesn’t have SpEd kids. It’s not a fair comparison.
Maybe I wan’t politically correct in my answer, but my point stays the same – SpEd kids cost money and drag test scores down if you compare them to schools without SpEd kids. But EVERY program supported with federal and state tax dollars MUST be required to accept them.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
And to be clear
My last sentence is a GOOD thing, not a complaint.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
I wasn't arguing against that.
I know all of that is true. And I said that they do skew the statistics. I was just objecting to the word “burned.” But if we agree that they all deserve a free and adequate education, then we have nothing to argue about.
Oh, and my mom works on IDEA (and I can ask her about it). I believe that if a state or local agency accepts federal funding, then they are required to follow IDEA’s standards and rules. If a charter school accepts no federal funding (as with a private school), then they do not need to accept special needs students.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
Funny how those charter school lotteries
never come up with any hard-core SpEd kids winning.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
This may seem like an odd question...
But does your school have exclusion programs? What I mean is, you mentioned that you have mixed classes. There are a few different forms of special education. One of them is inclusion, where you group them together with normal developing students, and the other is exclusion, where a private class is set up for special needs children. There are drawbacks and positives for both of them, but if there were more resources allocated for education in this country, I would probably tend toward the exclusion model. However, I think grouping the autism spectrum disorder kids with the mentally retarded students is unwise. Again, lack of resources doesn’t allow for that. Shame.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
"I think grouping the autism spectrum disorder kids with the mentally retarded students is unwise"
If you have an IEP, you’re in a supported class with a SpEd and Gen Ed teacher. There’s no way we could split up classes by IEP type. Just not enough teachers around.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Right, that's what I thought.
I know in elementary school they split the special needs kids up from the normal development students, but I didn’t know how it was for high school.
I know that my brother had a very difficult time getting an IEP (even though he has fairly severe Tourette’s syndrome), which also speaks to the need for funding and teachers. They’re so limited in who they can give IEP’s to, even kids who really need it. My brother did eventually get it, but we had to get three psychiatrists and his general physician to make it happen.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
You have an 83% chance of a charter school...
being no better, or worse, than your public school available to you. 5 in 6 charter schools perform at a level equivalent or below their public school peers.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Davis Guggenheim never spent a DAY in a public school
until he decided to attack them.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
so does that mean none of his points are valid?
specifically:
inability to fire incompetent teachers
amounts of bureacratic waste
I would also advocate for no longer teaching to tests, as that seems like a really bad idea. At the same time, the kids and the teachers should be evaluated somehow.
I don’t know why the right wants to get rid of the Department of Education. Are there any good reasons to do so?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
The biggest problem facing education in America today
isn’t the fact we can’t fire teachers fast enough.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
All I can tell you is that paying people not to work,
seems not only unfair to tax payers, but more unfair to teachers who are actually good at their jobs. That’s the disconnect I’m having.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
It's the biggest canard in the education debate
Here’s the thing – most bad teachers DO get fired. Or convinced to leave. I’ve seen it happen 3 times in the last 5 years at my own school, and another one’s out the door at the end of this year. It’s the Reagan “Welfare Queen” argument all over again. You’re arguing over something that doesn’t exist in anywhere the magnitude you think it does.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
OK, maybe with a different tone
But the problem does exist, right? And again, it’s not like teachers aren’t getting paid shit like they used to. It seems like a bad deal from my perspective.
And I’d be curious:
You’re arguing over something that doesn’t exist in anywhere the magnitude you think it does.
What magnitude to you think I think it does…
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
If you think it's a major cause for education failing in the US
then I’d argue you think it exist at a magnitude greater than it does.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
where did I use "major cause"?
I must have missed that part.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
OK, maybe I misread your intent
but it was #1 on your list of valid points by Guggenheim that I was missing.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
the teacher banks, moving teachers from one school to another
It’s nonetheless horrifying to students, taxpayers, and what I would assume, though perhaps I’m wrong, fellow teachers.
It is a waste of money. Not being able to fire incompetent people shouldn’t be the intent of the union.
To what degree is it? I have no idea, but it’s also true I didn’t suggest it was a big deal or not.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I've never worked in a county that did that
My county will move a teacher if the principal doesn’t like them, but that’s about it. I can’t recall an instance of a teacher being moved to a different school due to incompetence. But YMMV.
I’ve seen it happen MUCH more often with administrators. That happens ALL the time in my county.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Wondering who would notice....
Figures it’s the Canadian. :)
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
"I would also advocate for no longer teaching to tests"
And there’s the root of the problem. We are basing our educational system on a study from Houston, TX that led to Rod Paige being selected Sec. of Ed. and NCLB being ramrodded through when PAIGE WAS LYING THROUGH HIS FUCKING TEETH about test data in Houston. He made that shit up. Made it up.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
So how much time is spent “teaching to tests.” Has the union tried to counter this philosophy?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Absolutely
But we’re told by our central office staff “You can argue all you want, but the tests are here, they are a reality, and we have to do this. You may be right but that doesn’t change out AYP (Adequate Yearly Progress) scores. And that’s all anyone cares about.”
God help the school that doesn’t make AYP.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
The worst things
That school boards and governments have forced upon education systems and their teachers (just my opinion):
- teachers being told that they essentially cannot fail anyone for poor performance because it might hurt the student’s feelings. What? If you want to pass, do the work. If you need help with the work, that’s what the teachers and tutors are for. DO THE WORK. Too many people are coming out as dummies who can’t spell because teachers are not allowed to hold them back. When I was in grade six there was a guy who was frickin 15 years old in my class. He wasn’t the brightest sure, but he got help and was able to make it through, and he felt damn good about it. Kids tend to feel better when they actually accomplish something, not get put through without doing anything.
- getting rid of things like shop class. There are kids who work a lot better with their hands with things like wood and metal. A lot of people are going to do better as carpenters and welders than they are as barely-scratching-by academics. Cutting things like shop classes just keeps a lot of frustrated kids in programs in which they have no interest.
- cutting funds. It always seems that when governments face deficits, one of the first things to get funding cuts is education. You never hear of government advertising budgets being cut because I guess they need that to tell us why education cuts are a good thing!
- the pay. Starting pay in NS is something like 43k per year, but I think it’s a lot lower in the US. I’m not sure on that one. What I do know is that the good teachers are the ones who WANT and LOVE to teach despite being paid just enough to not qualify for welfare. Other than that, what quality of people do you expect to get when the pay is not attractive at all?
I suppose I should qualify this by saying that my father has been a teacher since 1973, the last 3 years of which have been spent up north in Aklavik, Northwest territories, and he’s been a union guy (although not a die by the union type) since then. I see good and bad things about unions, but for the most part they do more good than bad.
A comercial for charter schools...
…done by a limo liberal, former Melrose place producer.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Orioles misspells Duchscherer?
Really. Isn’t that kind of an important part of the job?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Knowing the proper tense is not an important part of my job, obv.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
it's a natinal tragedy!
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
libya
anyone following this? utter chaos.
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
they've been fed up for a long, long time...
…they just finally saw how it was possible to topple these governments after the revolt in Tunisia.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
We live in interesting times.
For once, that’s not a bad thing for a lot of people.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
We got to play this one right...
…there’s a chance to really make something good happen here. But unfortunately our interests lie with people who have zero interest in that.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Oh man this is bad, i sorta want to start playing online poker again
I’m just gonna do free games for now, but its probably only a matter of time before i make a real deposit.
What is the site of choice nowadays, anyway?
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
my friend who plays a lot (just won a $7,000 tournament last week) uses Full Tilt
so i figure thats what i’ll go with
I read that first as Full Tit
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I never took the plunge for real money.
Having to get the money in through e-wallet sites just set my Spidey senses tingling. I wish I could just make a deposit direct from my bank account, but alas, US laws are not so accepting of online poker – or at least they weren’t a few years ago and I haven’t heard that they changed.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I use a rechargable visa card.
It has to be a certain type (I called full tilt and they told me about it); can’t just be one of those visa gift cards.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Feb 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I need to play a lot of free first to remember that i'm not that good
before i put any real money up
I never felt like tricks to playing well in free games would translate.
Unless one trick is “play well with a short stack” – which can be important, to be sure. Just seemed like there were too many crazies. However, that was several years ago. It may be different now. Perhaps this is worth exploring. If this wastes a lot of my time, I’m going to blame you.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I used full tilt.
I’m a big fan of the daily dollar tournament. You get a lot of not so serious players because it’s only a dollar but if you stay in it for a while the competition gets better and you can win some decent money. First used to play like $1750 I think. If you’re into more serious money then they have that type of thing too.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Feb 21, 2011 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I use Full Tilt
haven’t played much in the last year, but just logged on and played a few tourneys a couple weeks ago. It’s still a good program.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Was it just me or was reading that article about breakout-possible prospects
was very comforting.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
yeah...
not even considering that he excludes c+ guys. i happen to think givens is going to be a very good prospect if he can stay healthy.
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
This could be an exciting year in A and lower...
here’s hoping for some quick promotions.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 21, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I like Bobby Bundy a lot
Am thinking good things from him this year.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
word on the street is 4-6 inches of snow tonight...
who’s got an over/under for me?
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
0" and rain in Salisbury
That’s my guess.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
figures
you always have weird weather
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
That's what we always get
by Brady's sideburns on Feb 21, 2011 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You in da 'Bury?
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Under
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
There's gonna be snow?
I’ll take a 5 day weekend. :0
Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Where are we measuring from?
BWI?
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Incredible news!
I went to get my yearly physical today, and even though I thought I stopped growing… NO! I’m not 5 foot and 1/4. Haha!
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
Thanks!
I’m no longer the midget of Camden Chat.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
Somebody call the WNBA!
:P
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
I laughed.
Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I could be the Earl Boykins of women's basketball.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
If I can beat my wimpy brother in basketball...
I can totally beat that Alana Beard chick.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
That is excellent news.
Now what are you going to have to complain about? :)
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
the dutch quote machine...
what, is he angling to be buck’s favorite?
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yogi Berrjarijk
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
joop!
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Feb 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this video is made available to the fans.
Could be the next neo-Orioles Magic kind of video.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
who's left of that video?
guthrie and jones? Millar and Loewen are gone. who else was in it?
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
Flat Breezy
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
At least we kept the only 2 that were any good
I mean, flat brim was good, but that didn’t last.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I want to see that video...
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
try this
it’s facebook but I can see it and I’m not logged in.
"And everything about that was about that."
-The Hurk
I think he meant Buck's inspirational video.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah what he said
but I enjoyed that too! almost makes you want Millar back…almost
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Great advice
On MLBN’s 20 greatest games, Mitch Williams just said he would not want Lenny Dykstra to do his income tax return. Ya think?
Hey man, off topic
but I’m glad you’re here. I go in for my physical exam for AA County Police March 26, any advice?
No, other than don't go into the doc's office hung over
Couple of questions. If you are going in for the physical, does that mean you passed your written exam and oral board? Just curious, ’cause where I work, if you are going for your physical, you pretty much passed all the hard stuff, including a background investigation.
Both actually
Gotta go to the doc for the physical Wednesday, but the physical exam is March 26. I passed the written exam, but none of the other stuff has taken place yet.
Okay, you guys do it in a different order than we do. We do the written test and PT test back to back, then come back later for the oral board.
Congrats on passing the written. I’m sure it wasn’t easy. I just got off the department’s website, and it looks like the PT test shouldn’t be too hard, provided you are in somewhat good physical condition. It looks like you will have a 1.5 mile run, pushups and situps. Just make sure you use good form in the situps and pushups. You don’t want to have to do double the amount because a proctor says you did some the wrong way.
Just relax and I’m sure you will do just fine. After checking out the department’s website, it looks like a kickass place to work. Good luck!
Thanks, I appreciate it
If I can’t run 1.5 miles and do some sit ups and push ups, something is wrong with me haha. I figured it would be more than that, and everything I looked up seemed to tell me something different.
I was just talking to someone who used to live in Baltimore in the late 80's but had to move recently
somehow we ended up on the reason he had to leave and it basically they had to move because their next door neighbor broke up with her boyfriend so he bought a case of natty boh, stole a city bus and drove it through their front porch/door.
doesn’t get much more Baltimore than that.
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
What a city, man. I love this place.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
ahahahaha
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Only one comment regarding the Orioles today...
And it was only about spelling. Is that a new record for off-topicness?
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
I guess we should get rid of the "Camden" in our name.
That sounds kinda sketchy though…
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
Or all the "Camden" talk
can be about my son. Also, Wieters Wieners I believe is the other one on here with a son named Camden.
First topic….potty training! He pees on there but no poop yet.
And they can't possibly know who Troy Patton is.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
My son loves sports.
He just turned 2 on Dec 31, so obviously he’s not that into them, but he constantly wants to play baseball, football, and basketball (the only 3 sports that matter, in my opinion). For Christmas he got a toy baseball set with a tee with a ball attached to a swinging arm, and as soon as I put it together, without ever showing him how to swing a bat, he grabs the bat (he bats lefty), puts a perfect swing on the ball, throws the bat down, runs in the corner and slides. He has a really good memory and must have picked it up from watching O’s games this past season.
I guess
I’ve only been posting here for the last year or so probably, but read a lot before that. Most of the time I can only get on here late at night, so I miss a lot, too.
It's hard-wired, man.
Today my guy puts this wierd, fake-kick juke move on their soccer coach. Where’d he see that? And he never hit a ball in the air until Fanfest. Then again, nobody ever showed my daughter h
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Feb 21, 2011 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*how to comb My Little Pony's hair
Child development is pretty remarkable…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Feb 21, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It really is
it amazes me some of the things he remembers. Things/people from 6 months ago or so that he didn’t have much interaction with but can recall right away.
I don't think that joke will ever get old.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I wish there was a site somewhere called Camden Castoffs
and OsGirl andSouthFloridaO’sFan and Rosana and chuckthefan and all those guys can just hang out and spout off priceless quotes about John Gibbons and steroids and not being able to take it anymore. It’s an awesome place.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
by daveh873 on Feb 21, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think chuckthefan was ever actually banned.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
YEAH YOUR WRITE
he never got banned but never uses punctuation youd never now that he didt get banned tho cuz he doesnt commnt nymore
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I've often suggested a hall of fame in a stickied fanpost where were catalog their contributions to the site
its not gotten much traction
don't forget LB3 and Awesome Mike Awesome
L'Italia è la mia patria. Gli Orioles sono mio squadra.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 21, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
AMA was definitely banned
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Was he?
Who banned him? This is a tale I need to hear, especially after all the scraps I had with that guy. Jesus.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
He was...
…about the worst type of BoSox fan you could ever come across. And I say this with decades of experience dealing with said fans.
The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.
Here is him getting owned by Zk,
http://www.camdenchat.com/2008/7/2/563958/dear-awesome-mike-awesome
and him being a douche:
http://www.camdenchat.com/2007/8/5/175348/4018
L'Italia è la mia patria. Gli Orioles sono mio squadra.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 21, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
wait duck thinks randy Johnson shouldn't be in the HOF?
Jaws dropped.
Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
So sue me
I’m a Small Hall kinda guy.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Schilling shouldn't be in but Johnson has a close shot.
If you are ashamed to stand by your colors, you had better seek another flag. ~Author Unknown
you can actually just do an advanced search...
….for all comments by AMA.
98.3% of them will be “him being a douche.”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I’m pretty sure 95% of Red Sox fans are equally douchy. I actually dislike them more than Yankee fans.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
this
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
You guys can actually ban people?
I always thought it was just a joke. Can’t they just…you know…make a new account? Or does it go by IP or something?
They can make a new account if they're willing to behave.
IIRC
Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
well not exactly
If someone was like, “You banned me and here is my second account so I can be nice now!” I’ll ban them again because that’s not the point. Of course if I ban someone and they ask nicely I’ll almost always unban them. I’m not on a power trip of any sort.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
of course I can ban people
it’s my site.
But yes, they can come back with a new account. If they come back with a new account and behave themselves, they probably think they got one over on me, but I don’t care, I just want people to not be jerks. If they create a new account and do the same stuff, then we can IP ban them.
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
of course I can ban people
it’s my site.
I just meant I didn’t know it was a capability on the site….because most of the internet is just an uncontrolled clusterfuck.
Camden Chat: Not an uncontrolled clusterfuck.
L'Italia è la mia patria. Gli Orioles sono mio squadra.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The team takes care of the clusterfucking for us.
"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 21, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, that's a rec
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
Them and that crazy Skins fan who called duck a shady character who doesn't pay his debts
And seemed to think that the Skins were a much better organization than the O’s.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, didn't he say something like
Come back to me in February when there’s the Skins have a ring.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 21, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh hahahah
I forgot about that. Yeah…Skins had a great season. Still not sure why I’m a fan.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
as a Titans fan, I ask myself that same question all the time
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
it's snowing
can’t believe it’s snowing
They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME
Seriously, I didn't even know it was
a neighbor knocked on the door to see if we had any vanilla extract to borrow (I don’t cook so even if we do, I couldn’t find it) and it is a mess out there. I live in Arbutus, and I can see the beltway from my porch, there was a rescue going on there, unconscious driver. Hope everyone is ok.
p.s. fuck snow…why do we always get that 2-3 day teaser and then more shitty weather? The only thing I hate about Baltimore.
BTW
I think he’s a paramedic or firefighter, I always hear his radio when he’s outside, he told me about the accident.
it really is
I just took the trash down and I think I could’ve skiied the cans down if I wanted to…or if I had a driveway long enough to warrant such drastic action.
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I'm not going to school tomorrow
unless the tri-school decides to shit on my dreams of a 5 day weekend which seems unlikely at the moment
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like
they used to do that a lot more than they do now. Shit on your dreams of a day off, that is.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Feb 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
during that storm this year we had school on a day where St. Pauls, Loyola, McDonogh, etc. all were off. also; it was a Friday. how messed up is that?
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Like the big storm in '04(?)
when we had 4 days off, but had school on that Friday?
Maybe we get more snow/ice than we used to, but I don’t remember ever having a day off before that storm really. And then we started getting a lot of them all of a sudden.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Feb 21, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I was still at Calvert during that one and even we had off that Friday IIRC. but they’ve been pretty good to us this year I guess, we’ve had 3 days off I think.
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
I skipped because my parents thought it was ridiculous.
That sounds right around the average over my high school career. Hopefully you don’t lose that last day of spring break. 4 day weeks out of the break >> 5 day week.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Feb 22, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
Fuckin' rain
I could really use 3-5 inches of snow right now.
"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter
did I call that or did I call that?
man I’m good.
Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Feb 21, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Raining here too.
Err…some kind of frozen mix, but mostly rain.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Feb 21, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
4 o clock in bmore
Good morning, time to seelp, school in the mornign sih, wish i had snow too:(
L'Italia è la mia patria. Gli Orioles sono mio squadra.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 22, 2011 3:58 AM EST reply actions
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