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School of Roch: Lee could take BP Friday (updated)
First baseman Derrek Lee is hoping to take batting practice on the field Friday after being restricted to hitting soft tosses in the cage during the first days of the full-squad workout.

Steve Melewski: Callis feels O's best move is for Britton to start at Triple-A
"I think he is ready for the big leagues. He has no obvious weakness and did get in 12 starts last year at Triple-A and pitched well," Callis said. "That said, the Orioles have no shot at contending this year, so from a team standpoint, I don't think it makes any sense to bring the guy up until you know you have delayed his arbitration and free agent clock by a year.

ON Top 50 Prospects – #37: Wynston Sawyer
I'm pretty sure Jordan at ON is just making names up by now. (No, seriously, good work over there, Mr. Tuwiner.)

Steve Melewski: Two Orioles make Baseball America's top 100 prospects list
Manny Machado and Zach Britton make the annual list.

Baltimore Orioles: B-Town Can Relate To C-Town For Lack Of Success - SB Nation Cleveland
Wait a minute - CLEVELAND gets its own SBN site before Baltimore does?????? Stacey, you gotta do something about that!

Orioles Insider: Roberts says that he's not overly concerned about stiff neck
"Of course, any ailment involving Roberts will raise panic after he played just 59 games last season because of a herniated disk in his back. Asked if he understood that, Roberts was dismissive, saying, "I understand there's about a two feet difference from where my back hurt and where my neck hurt. So I'm pretty sure they are not related."

Orioles Insider: Video: Reimold looking for bounce-back year
Because you just can't get enough Nolan Reimold in your life.

Orioles Insider: Millwood is working out in Calif., waiting for a call
Kevin Millwood is in "Wait for someone else's arm to fall off" mode of his off-season pursuit of a job. 

Former Oriole Hoiles to Appear Opening Day | Delmarva Shorebirds News
The Delmarva Shorebirds, class "A" affiliate of the Baltimore Orioles, are excited to release the schedule of national acts and special appearances that will take place this coming season at Arthur W. Perdue Stadium. Headlining the schedule is a special appearance by former Orioles catcher Chris Hoiles on opening night, April 7.

Orioles Insider: Patton's court setting rescheduled
Seems like the Orioles are taking this "No, really Troy Patton exists!" charade a bit too far when they get the courts involved. Just admit we basically traded Miguel Tejada for Luke Scott. I'm OK with that. Stop making up fake players!

Morpheus believes he is the Open Thread.

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Better get an x-ray

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't say "C-Town"

it sounds dirty

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

And don't say B-Town either.

I got confused. That’s how douche bags refer to where I live.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I have never heard B-Town

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Some people say it in DC.

I hate it when people abbreviate that way. I guess he used C-Town because The Forest City sounds even more dirty. And Cleveland, oh, that’s boring.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

"The OC."

“Don’t call it that.”

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

Arrested Development!

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I don't favor most abbreviations and nicknames.

I realize it is mostly a generational thing. If you aren’t into texting, you are less likely to do it.

The nicknaming habit though seems to have a lot to do with people trying to sound cool. I think it mostly makes a person sound either lazy or a wannabe.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

obvi

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Et Tu?

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate things like u instead of you

but for some reason I have fully embraced just dropping letters off the ends of words. I wouldn’t think I’d be the type, and yet, I really enjoy telling people I feel like I’m gonna vom.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

When you spend as much time communicating from a keyboard or ...

… phone as you do, I can see that.

If I’m going to drop letters, I tend to prefer doing so with ones in the middle, often the next to last one.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm gramatically correct to the point of mocking in texts

I once sent a text with a semicolon in it and all my friend wrote back was, “Semicolon? Really?”

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Semicolons make me think of Virginia Woolf.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

We need more role models like you then.

I always appreciated those professors who not only marked incorrect answers, but spelling and gramatical errors as well.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking Bloomington, IN.

All the frat rats call it B-Town and it makes me want to kill.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, of course some people from Cleveland would use something dumb like "B-Town"

Memo to Cleveland: B-more is a more acceptable short form.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Or even Bmore.

That’s how I spell it.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I go with Bmore, personally.

Urban Dictionary tallies it as follows:

b-more
Baltimore, MD
Where you from? B-More
220 Up, 25 Down
by Jason

bmore
Another name for Baltimore
- the hottest city ever -
Sally went up to bmore for some softshells and for some late nite clubbin.
184 Up, 37 Down
by hotnsexycmy

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, there are "better" strip clubs in Baltimore than other cities.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No, there was a small fire...

but the Block is still there, in all it’s syphillis-infected, drug-addled glory.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

We are indeed the land of 1,000 strip clubs

I’ve only been to one in Bmore (see what I did there?) though – Ritz in Fells. It was pretty good I guess. I don’t know the standard for strip clubs.

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I really wish that still existed

I mean, I’m not a fan of strip clubs or Pittsburgh, but I’d totally give that a go just to say I’ve been there.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

just because I wouldn’t want to see the ladies booty dancing to Black & Yellow.

Plus I’ve never been to a strip club and I don’t plan on starting in Pittsburgh.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

but you drive through!

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

doesn't matter

I don’t care for the whole concept of strip clubs. I’m going to go somewhere and get horned up and hustled by some women who I’m technically only allowed to look at? And if I’m “lucky” or willing to spend more I get the grand prize of being able to cop a sleazy feel in a lapdance?

No thanks. I’ll just go to a bar or a club and meet a woman whose motivations for interacting with me involve more than money. More fulfilling experience all around.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

occasionally*

“…occasionally involve more than money…”

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

oh man...

….check out the cynic in arlingtonOsfan. There are plenty of non-golddiggers out there bud. And even if you do meet a golddigger, at least they have to pretend like they’re not.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't have to be golddiggers

To want you to buy them drinks all night.

And I’m not cynical, think of it this way: what rational actor would pay for their own drinks when they could just as easily get someone else to pay for them?

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man...

…buying women drinks all night is a recipe for being taken for granted. Just don’t do it.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling I shouldn't look at that at work

But I hope it says there’s a screen showing your selection of strippers next to a voicebox… then you pay at the first window… and at the second window you pick up your lady of choice

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

its pretty clean

the site just catalogs strange attractions, like giant balls of yarn or whatever.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You should try coming to Portland.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Baltimore club muuuuuuuuu-sic

It’s actually a known thing in other places. I was in Amsterdam for work for a stint and took a look at club listings in a local urban mag thing before getting my swerve on one weekend. I was surprised to find a club that had Baltimore Club Music. Why anybody would want to listen to this, I have never understood. But it was there. In A-dam.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Deacon baby!

He’s the man. He’s putting Baltimore electronica on the map. The Copy Cat Building is apparently ground zero for aspiring electronic and techno musicians in Baltimore right now.

My grandfather would probably roll over in his grave if he knew a buncha punk hippies had infiltrated the former Crown Cork & Seal Building that he worked in for 40+ years. Johnny Unitas… now there’s a haircut you can set your watch to!

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man...

…that place was infiltrated a long, long time ago. I remember going to a New Year’s Eve party there when I was in high school, in the the wee early 90’s. It was much shittier around there then (the height of the crack epidemic) and there were literally gun battles on the street outside. Then at midnight, from the roof, you could see the guns being fired off all over the city to strike in the New Year. Ahhhh memories…

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

What a difference a little gentrification makes

I don’t care for straight electronic/house music music (I like MGMT and similar) but I would totally check out Dan Deacon just to support local and cuz LOOK at the guy:

Apparently he just sets up in the middle of the dance floor and goes apeshit with everyone the entire time.

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

These guys are having a fucking ball.

I love this.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

have you ever heard of monotonix?

they are sort of the rock version of this.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I have "Not Yet"

They’re solid. Do you mean they play in the crowd?

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

i saw them at the red and the black and they set up in the middle of the floor. the singer is a little power pack of a dude that sort of runs around all over the place.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so in.

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I will always associate "C-Town" with Chestertown, MD

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think calling anyplace [ ]-Town is only acceptable

when the town’s name actually ends with “town.”

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Precisely

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

chuck-town

is the douchey way to refer to Charleston, SC if you are a frat bro in the south

from maryland to south carolina and back again

by Gamecock24 on Feb 24, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

At Rutgers,

C-Town was the actual name of the grocery store in the less than savory part of town…

We weren’t creative enough in my fraternity to make up a nickname for our city, so we just ripped off the Bronx and started calling New Brunswick “The Boogie Down”

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Feb 24, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The real question here

Can’t we have Nolan Reimold start taking ground balls at second base? I’m happy for Brian Roberts that he’s not concerned about aches and pains a year after missing 100+ games with a herniated disk, a concussion, illness, and monkey pox, but really…the pessimist in me sees a lineup with Cesar Izturis in it and wants to vomit.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Feb 24, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

Dude, monkey pox is no joke.

Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.

by Knubles and Bits on Feb 24, 2011 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i hear it's transmitted through bad dates...

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

When there's a space between monkey and pox, sure, it's a joke.

When it’s spelled monkeypox… oh, that’s serious business.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Andino

might not exactly be the answer we’re all looking for. But he’s shown a few glimpses of promise here and there. Whatever we do, putting Little Cesar in the lineup is an unacceptable option until we absolutely have to. Dude slugged for .268 last year. I didn’t know it was possible to slug for so little.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

when you're given four mediocre or worse options

always go with the guy with at least a little upside. That would be Andino.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Adams!

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Two things...

I saw a sign today on the Beltway when I was driving to school. It said “DUI Enforcement Zone”… does that mean where there isn’t a sign like that they don’t enforce DUI’s? I just thought that was funny.

And… Michael Scott leaves Dunder Mifflin tonight. I have high expectations, so it better live up.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

Shoot, never mind, two weeks from now.

Scratch that.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know exactly what that means but it is probably something like

How in Texas they have “no-refusal-weekends” (now every weekend!) where you’re not allowed to refuse to take a breathalyser under any circumstances.

You know, because when you get pulled over and you’ve been drinking, DO NOT BLOW!

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

How do they enforce this, exactly? That doesn't sound legal, even for Texas.

I am pretty sure in MD if you don’t blow in a breathalyzer it’s an automatic license suspension. But the drunk driver certainly has the option. I don’t like drunk drivers, but I don’t like police coercion even more than that.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not completely sure, I've never been stopped

I think it’s that if you refuse to take the breathalyser you are assumed drunk and taken in. They take your blood either way.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that really the rule in MD?

I thought in some states if you refuse a breathalyzer they determine whether they have enough probably cause to get a warrant for a blood test and if so they take you into custody and if not they let it go.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure of the law

But my old roommate is an ASA for the city and she told me if I ever get pulled over and I’ve had even one drink, refuse the breathalyzer.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I've heard the same advice.

Especially in DC after that lady got a DUI for having a glass of wine with dinner a few years ago and then sued everybody.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait...she got a DUi for a glas of wine she had a few YEARS ago?????

C’mon, I can’t be the only one who read it that way.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Wordplay!

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

haha probably cause...

That’s way funnier.

“Do you have probable cause”

“Dude, I’ve got cause,… probably”

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

didn’t know what you were getting at until i reread my post and caught my typo.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

In most states, your license is automatically suspended ...

… if you fail a test or refuse to take one.

It may vary from state to state as to which test they require. I believe that you can refuse the breathalizer test in most states, but then have to submit to the blood test. If you don’t, it is an automatic suspension.

There are two reasons to refuse the breathalizer test
   they are less accurate
   if your bac is at or near the limit, the extra time it usually takes to take you in and administer the blood test gives your liver more to break down the alcohol

I’d be surprised if any state required a warrant to administer a blood test.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

2 completely unrelated things

A, I think Britton should at least start in Norfolk.

B, I understand when youre getting older it is harder to get up and get going, but DAMN I’m tired of Roberts being hurt. He’s by far my favorite bird and I think he should just get the hip replacement and the LifeAlert service and call it a good spring training.

You cant spell POOP without O's

by matman008 on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

The more I read about Britton

the harder it is for me to not be really excited about the kid. Everyone loves him. But I’ve gotta temper it….

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Why so?

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

if I get too high on the kid

and then he struggles out of the gate, I’ll be irrationally disappointed and sad. I’d rather just be hopeful than banking on anything, I guess.

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That makes sense, but I thought you meant something like...

he has some fatal flaw that you’re reading and getting worried about.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard his command

especially against righties needs some work…but really a lot of smart people think he’s the best lefty in the minors right now. That’s pretty exciting.

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

What, you're not a fan

of BRowell and Pedro Beato?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

the stupid thing

is they’ll probably push him to Bowie simply because he’s been with the Keys for three entire mediocre seasons. As if moving to AA is going to do him any favors.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I did enjoy cheering him at the Keys games

for his accomplishment of most ABs in Keys history or whatever it was.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I witnessed him hit a HR at a game in Wilmington!

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you gonna go see the Keys play in Wilmington this year?

I am (for Mr. Celery).

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

or did we already have this conversation?

I can’t remember.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

I’ve taken a much greater interest in MiLB in general, and with the Blue Rocks being A) so close to me and B) inexpensive, there really isn’t any reason not to go to a bunch of games.

The Keys come up here for 3 games in May (Mon-Wed), 4 games in July (Thur-Sun), and then 3 games to end the season in Sept. (Sat-Mon). Hopefully Machado will be promoted to the Keys by the time of the Sept. series.

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Because it is always wise to temper one's excitement about young pitching.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hope for the best, expect the worst..

so they say

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This is probably the dumbest and most irrelevant question on earth, but I'm going to ask it anyway

Because when did that ever stop me? Anyway, when Stacey posts Bird Droppings, she doesn’t bold the part of the quote that says “Open Thread” and duck does. How come? Don’t you want some solidarity?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, and hey!

Isn’t it about time for a new Wire quote at the top of the page?

C’mon people, it’s like once they signed Derrek Lee, everyone got lazy!

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess we haven't made any brilliant references lately.

Step it up people!

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

After looking through some quotes

Can I suggest, with the full weight of its irony intact:

“It’s morning in Baltimore, Lester. Wake up and smell the coffee.”

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I really wanted to make it

“I don’t wanna go to no dance unless I can rub some tit,” but that seems inappropriate. EME suggested once I change it to, “Melvin Mora, numbnuts.”

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Melvin Mora, numbnuts

is so perfect is so many ways. It’s like Shakespeare and Bob Dylan got into one of those The Fly style accidents with Quentin Tarantino. Only in a good way.

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this new one. 2 thumbs up.

If we played the D-backs in interleague this year we could break out the brilliant Melvin Mora line. Sadly, we’re playing NL Central instead.

"If you’re not in with the Orioles, then you can ply your trade somewhere else." - Buck Showalter

by 2632 on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

We can save it for the WORLD SERIES, baby!

Ahahaha… right.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The fact I like it ...

… probably proves it is inappropriate.

I also didn’t realize I was related to Melvin Mora.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

changed just for you

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

now if the O's stink in 4 months

we can all go around yelling “We were promised a new day!” while we sit in our broken squad cars blasting Journey.

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sexy.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Why’d you let him play? “Got to man, this is America.”

by Brady's sideburns on Feb 24, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"This a tomb. Lex is in there."

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think "It's a thin line 'tween heaven and here" would be the best Wire quote for a tagline.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Because I take the time and care necessary for our readers to fully enjoy CC.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Bah! What happened? Your reply was there twice before...

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Magic, dude. Magic.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I fixed ONE typing error!!!!!

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

zing!

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Harsh, duck.

Can I call you duckster? I’ve always wanted to call you duckster.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought that was "duck man"

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Any variation...

Its “Bill” or “Duck” I believe….

by Wieters Wieners on Feb 24, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine.

I’ll just think it. Unless he tells me otherwise.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can zoom in on my brain waves...

Then I’ll be too scared to stay anyway.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You're thinking about cute shoes RIGHT NOW, aren't you??????

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I'm thinking about this really cute new jacket.

And I’m wearing. You were pretty close.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So no Ducky?

I keed, I keed.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

C'mon, what about this?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

y'all are on thin ice.

i’d be careful if i wuz you.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm done.

I promise.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I swear to God, you people are lucky I'm swamped with work today.....

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I said I was finished.

I really am!

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

swamped?

ducks. Lowers head.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Too easy, zk.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ducks don't live in swamps

They live in marshes. Big difference. :)

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Are there ducks in Salisbury?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

We have a wildfowl carving museum, for goodness' sake.

So, yeah, there are a few.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

How many human ducks are there?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

4 in my house

And a few that I can’t find any way in which they’re related to me. Very odd. Not like it’s the most common name around or anything…

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe somebody changed their name years ago because they liked ducks...

And there you go. Your ancestors loved ducks.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I love that place!

My friend interned there. Only in Salisbury, man.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That totally reminds me of the serial NPR did a while back about "unique" museums in the US.

My favorite was the National Mustard Museum, complete with University of Mustard.

Here you go: http://mustardmuseum.com/

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Me too!

I feel like there isn’t much else that’s attractive about Wisconsin besides the Packers.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to go to the Hologram Museum

when I was in Chicago. My brother said it looked stupid.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Holograms aren't stupid

My brother is. At least, that’s what I told him. He did let me drag him on the mobster tour, though, which was hysterical.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If they don't have brains?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

there is not a single duck on the landing page.

disappointing.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, but you didn't say you were marshed with work.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So Duckbill is totally acceptable?

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously, y'all

I cannot save you when duck bans you for the mocking.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to offer as a defense that where I live, it is considered ...

… a form of high honor.

Oregon – University of

I will refrain from incorporating our other institution of higher learning’s mascot into any sort of honorific. Though I still would love to see an Oregon State – South Carolina football matchup.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The unintentional comedy would be through the roof

Please let Brent Musburger announce

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What if we have existing rapport?

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, no.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Originality, people

My best guess is that today’s offerings are boring him.

"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."

- Cap'n Phil Harris

by sluggo 2.0 on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

weird, i always assumed his first name was donald

"I have spent most of the day putting in a comma and the rest of the day taking it out." --Oscar Wilde

A Crocodile Never Cries (a story)

by Luke E on Feb 24, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

BANNED

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, it's bannable

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps I know that our readers can figure out which part of the quote is the actual quote

and which part of the quote has been replaced with “Open Thread” without feeling the need to bold it to get their attention. I know that our readers are smart, you treat them like they’re stupid.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I originally thought that was a response to me...

I was kidding originally.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn...

I didn’t even realize I used originally twice. I’m totally going to fail that essay if I write like that.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, that sounded like a Facebook status to me.

You’ll be fine.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the support.

I know now that I should write the whole essay in chatspeak.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

You should perhaps also realize

that when people respond some something you’re kidding about, we’re also kidding.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok good.

It just seemed like he was really serious. And you were too. My bad.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

we're very dry

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

My sarcasm meter is broken over the internet.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and...

The whole being able to deliver jokes thing is alien to me over the internet, too. Trust me, I am funny away from here. I really am!

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I almost said

“Yes, there I’m very wet.” meaning, lots of alcohol.

Then I thought better of it.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

my goodness, stacey.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Better you didn't because you would have had to explain it to me...

And I have a feeling I shouldn’t know until I’m older :P

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Did somebody say blowjob?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Epic.

Yeah, I said epic.

Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.

by Knubles and Bits on Feb 24, 2011 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good choice.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't you teach ME this lesson just the other day?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm very embarrassed to say this...

But for the life of me I can’t figure out who you were replying to.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

YOU.

I was joking with you, and you were joking back, and I didn’t realize it and felt stupid.

Much as you are joking with Stacey now.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I thought, just checking.

Hey, I don’t think we ever established that I know what I’m talking about most of the time.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to tell you that I think that your essay writing skills need work.

I think that your essay writing skills need work.

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

In conclusion, your essay skills need work

because your essay skills need work.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, I think you're right.

I believe that I need to work on them. I think that’s a good plan. After all that, I conclude that I will do well on this essay anyway.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps I take the time to make the whole construct YOU insisted upon using

at least aesthetically pleasing.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

FTR,

I believe I was the first person to put an Open Thread quote in an Open Thread. But I could be wrong.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember who it was

I do remember that it was not me.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

But you're the one who said we had to bring it back

I was perfectly content with letting that tradition lie dormant.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say we had to bring it back

I said I was gonna start doing it again. You do whatever you want in Bird Droppings on your days. I’m no tyrant.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

So, I can do WHATEVER I want, hmmm?

/cue maniacal yet ominous laughing….

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

"Excellent"

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well of course, I went looking now.

Regular morning Open Threads appeared as a feature on July 24, 2009. I remember it was born out of a conversation we 3 had about giving a place at CC for people to yak about everyday stuff; this would keep the fanshots from becoming so cluttered. Also, it was step 1 of our 3-step plan to dominate the world. Duck was the first poster, telling folks, “Save the really, really good stuff for FanShots. We’ll try this today and see how it goes.”

On Wednesday, July 29, 2009, the first Open Thread quote was born, posted by yours truly. Ironically, it was about Mr. Ray. And for those who are curious, the Open Thread portion of it was not bolded:

This is Open Thread. We can weave your hair as long and as full as you want it to be. Our Open Thread will help your own hair to grow. You will have many days of happiness with your Open Thread. Come in today to get your Open Thread.

Bird Droppings was first used as the official name of Clippings open threads in this post by SC in February of 2009, but was used only sporadically thereafter. It returned for good in August of that year, just before the hand-over.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

good sleuthing

Guess now we all know that bolding is wrong.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You're allowed to add your own style to things.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

BANNED

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

TEAM EME!!!!!

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How many factions

are we going to have? If you keep creating teams, we’ll be engaging in civil war pretty soon (presumably as soon as the bottom falls out of this season)…

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no Team Duck as far as I know.

I have no acolytes.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Team Delmarva!

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear that

Bradshaw & Farooq are looking for work.

"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."

- Cap'n Phil Harris

by sluggo 2.0 on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet.

Although, do you really want to be involved in bloody conflict? If you don’t have a team, you can sit on the sidelines and cheer, making Camden Chat a modern day Colosseum.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He's just waiting for the other factions to wipe each other out

Then he comes in when they are weak and unorganized and conquers all

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You've stumbled upon my master plan...

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

duck won't get rid of Stacey.

For the same reason that Stacey won’t get rid of duck: if they take out the other, then they have to do more work.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

wait...so they're all just going to take out me?

or is that why zk and I have been having so many arguments lately…and that unmarked car has been following me everywhere I go…and I’ve been getting strange notes in the mail that read “No more WAR, no more wOBA, no more Andrew”….

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're probably safe too.

You write a lot of stuff.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...you noticed the unmarked vehicle?

I wasn’t paying that fool to get caught!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not entirely

It’s true that I will not get rid of duck, you, or Andrew, because all of you do a lot of work that I’d just have to make up for.

Duck however, CANNOT get rid of me. Because I am all powerful. But being that I am a benevolent and loved leader, I know you’ll all continue to do as I say.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to stage a bloody coup!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't blame twisted for trying to revolt

its just the hallucinogens all the youths are on.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

rats and cats!

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely played

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

She didn't do it right, clearly

I hear she still hangs out the Eagles SBN site. I bet she still reads the pages here and wishes she could comment.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe she does...

under a new name.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahahahaha

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

It’s hard to conceal that kind of crazy.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever happened...

…with this whole O’sGirl21 saga? I wasn’t around for this.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

She went pyscho

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

don't talk about my girl like that

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

She was just kind of nuts

She got banned once and then I unbanned her when she asked me to because I’m a sucker, then she was ok for awhile but slowly went insane and by the end was trying to get people to not take it anymore and rise up against me and show me whose boss or some other such crazy bullshit.

Oh and after I unbanned her the first time I found out that she told duck I’m the kind of girl she can’t stand because I can’t handle having any other girls around because I want to keep all the men for myself.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

haaaaaaaaaaha!

I love this.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course I do

the only reason I even came to Camden Chat in the first place was to find a husband.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You should have told us sooner.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

A hubby...named Javy...

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That'

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Woopsie

That’s the only reason I’m going to college.

(CalTech joke)

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That joke fits for a lot of colleges, probably.

I would use it first for like… BYU or something.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha that was their rationale for not accepting female undergrads

They accepted women into the grad school because by that time they were “mature”. Of course, MIT had been accepting women into the undergraduate program for years, and they in fact had a slightly higher GPA than the male students.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you go to an all-men school

All-women’s school for you o’ course.

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by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Whcih is why I didn't unban her

That, and the fact we don’t unban anyone another mod has banned. I ain’t nobody’s Court of Special Appeals.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

AHAHAHA that last line is CLASSIC.

That’s so ridiculous.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

hey the only reason I stand you is because you're a minor

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by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My grandpa and uncles were miners.

Does that count?

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

So you would feel guilty banning a child? I would too.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in the least

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well of course you wouldn't.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It is her blog.

Just ask her.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Stacey

you’re getting drunk with the sweet nectar of Orioles power. They say it corrupts, underwhelmingly.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I was already corrupt, might as well be drunk too.

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by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You didn't mention zk.

Was that intentional?

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, she's probably going to get rid of me.

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by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This came to my attention yesterday and I don't think it's been mentioned here

http://www.businessinsider.com/mlb-job-blogger-every-game-2011-2

MLB is looking to hire a blogger to watch every single game this season and unleash thoughts on them with the full court internet social press. They will be furnished some place in NYC that will be appointed in such a way as to be able to watch multiple games at a time.

If I imagined myself having even the slightest chance, I’d so apply for this just for lulz.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

That sounds... exhausting

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I know someone who is applying

I thought about it for a hot second, but I’d probably have to give up CC for the summer (and my job possibly forever).

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not as constrained by gainful employment.

I just have a feeling that I don’t want to eat, sleep and breathe baseball for the entire league for the entire season. The O’s, sure, but it kinda sounds exhausting otherwise. Like I’d just be crying and wishing I could have even the barest shred of a social life by the All-Star break.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw this...

…and I don’t understand how you can possibly watch every single game. That’s what kills it for me. You cannot watch multiple games at once. Sometimes there’s 8-10 games going at the same fucking time. They should have one blogger per team. Then it’s legit.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It sounds like it's gonna be some kind of web based reality series

from what I read on Hardball Talk.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/24/wanna-get-paid-to-watch-baseball-all-season

Their goal isn’t for comprehensive team coverage.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

it sounds

mildly retarded, I’m sorry to say. what bloggers would care about something so half-assed? and who else would care besides bloggers?

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it sounds pretty cool

Spend a season totally immersed in baseball, write and talk about it, get put up in an apartment in New York for a few months.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I do that every day.

And you spend the season totally immersed in baseball – for one club. Try doing it for 30. Oy!

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been able to watch 3 games at once before

but it’s pretty exhausting and your attention is never really anywhere at once. Being able to write about any one of those three games would be impossible. But then to multiple that by five every single night for six months? That ain’t my dream job, not by a long shot.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

word to the mother.

or should I say, word to the QTess?

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe when it gets dark out I will venture upstairs and tell her so

or if I need some more doritos or something.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Why don't you just put it in the comments here?

Then tweet about it. You don’t have to get up then.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh

I’ll do all that this afternoon

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

If somebody's paying enough money, a lot of people would have time for it.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand this outrage you seem to be projecting with your capital letters

plenty of people

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by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can't even imagine having to watch something like 10 hours of baseball every day

I’d be begging for release by the end of May.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about 10 hours.

Most nights you’re going to go from 7 Eastern until the end of the West Coast games – that’s probably six hours. Saturday, you get Fox games at 4-ish on to the end of the West Coast games. So that’s longer, but fewer games all at once. Sunday you get from like 1:30 Eastern with a “light” night of the ESPN game only.

I don’t think I’d want to do it, but I can see why someone would want to try.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

it'd be awesome for like a week or maybe a month

but then it would get really exhausting really quickly I bet.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst part would probably be the isolation.

The people who do Baseball Tonight or something on ESPN probably consume more baseball as a collective, but they have a whole production team to break down the highlights for them, and they have one another’s company while they’re crafting the show and such. I would guess there’s a lot of camaraderie of equals there.

Plus I don’t think it’s the same crew every night for the entire season, so you can take it easy when it’s not your night to go on the air.

But this “dream job” thing seems like a one-person show – you’ll probably get a lot of input from some MLB production flaks, but with the clear notion that you’re in the subservient position, not an equal one.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I sent that to an unemployed MLBlogger.

He said he made the first cut of people.

Leader of the "Draft Julio Jones Campaign"

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

that's funny considering the applications aren't due until March 1st

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 25, 2011 6:10 AM EST up reply actions  

They have already cut out all the people who aren't applying

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by daveh873 on Feb 25, 2011 6:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been sticking with Tue/Thur player projections

but since I just did one yesterday I’m gonna skip today.

But everyone go submit some shit for Tillman and Arrieta.

Honestly, y’all, I’m kind of over player projections.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

yes we do

I should put up a FanPost requesting suggestions. I bet people would come up with some awesome stuff I couldn’t think of.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I've got one for you:

Who wins more games in April, the Baltimore Orioles or the Miami Heat?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone offered up to me the other day on Twitter

Strikeouts by Mark Reynolds or Mark Reynolds batting average X 100. I thought that was pretty good.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Who knew projecting was so much work?

Maybe we should leave that stuff to the computers. When they’re mass-producing Watson, we can just get our own little one.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s a lot less fun than I was expecting.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

well we started it and we're gonna finish it!

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't mind me;

I’m just lollygagging.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Feb 24, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So my sister-in-law...

is in nursing school and had to dissect a cat two nights ago for an Anatomy & Physiology course. When she provided details of the event to my wife and I, my six million years pregnant wife responded by saying “That’s so wrong, that’s animal beastiality or something!”

That word does not mean what she thought it meant. I nearly died laughing.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Traitor! Rob Neyer interview at Balto Sun

Link.

Interesting quote:

RN: I am somewhat bullish on the Orioles. I think I said that they’re going to win 82 games and some of that is due to the Showalter factor, which can’t be quantified. If not for him, they would be around a 75- or 78-win team on paper even with the additions. And I’ll give you a little bit of extra credit for Showalter. I was blown away by what that team did when he took over last season and I think there might be a little bit of a carryover there.

So Showalter is worth 4 to 7 wins? That seems very un-neyer like.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 24, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Buck's voodoo certainly is potent

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Some friends who went to games last year

thought he was calling pitches from the dugout, which may have had a role in our pitchers’ improvement. If so, then you’d think he’s indirectly worth those wins, right?

Can anyone else corroborate that?

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

that I’d be ok with that anyway. I’d rather Buck teach Matt to call the game the way Buck wants it called, so that when Buck is gone SHJ can still call the ‘right’ pitches, rather than Buck making Wieters a messenger.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But regardless of whether or not we like it...

if that’s what’s happening (and maybe he’s just better at it than other managers, or our pitchers and catchers are just worse at maximizing their value), then it would be quantifiable and worth wins.

Is there a measure of optimal pitch-selection strategy somewhere? If not, that’d be an interesting study.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This is just speculation on my part.

btw

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he's doing it

but I don’t buy for a moment that it’s having such a large effect

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree that it is happening,

but yes, it would be somewhat quantifiable. Assuming this is true, my hope would be that Buck is in the process of teaching Wieters, so that at some point (hopefully at the beginning of this season), Buck would be comfortable with Wieters calling his own game, with input from Buck only when SHJ comes to the bench between innings.

I guess What I’m trying to say is those wins mean nothing to me if they disappear along with Showalter.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lots of managers call pitches from the dugout

so that wouldn’t be terribly unusual. That being said, I didn’t see anything about that last year.

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by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

calling pitch-outs from the dugout, sure

but I highly doubt he is signaling to Wieters and/or the pitcher what specific pitch he wants thrown.

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why doubt it?

A decent number of managers call pitches from the dugout. Particularly the ones that are ex-catchers.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor phrasing on my part

I should have ended my reply with “…throughout the course of the game.” Should Buck (or any manager) be communicating during key or high leverage situations? Absolutely. But, as organizedchaos52 pointed out above, I want Wieters working with the pitcher to call the bulk of the game.

"There you go. Givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck." ~ 'Bunk' Moreland

by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

regardless of whether managers SHOULD be calling every pitch, a bunch of them are. In lots of ways it makes the catcher’s job a lot easier. He just has to focus on giving a good target, receiving the pitch effectively, managing the tempo, controlling the running game, hitting, etc. Pitch-calling is a major mental task and I don’t necessarily think it would be a bad thing to take that off the to-do list of a young developing catcher.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus

He can focus on mashing more. I want some dingers.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But

wasn’t that what Wieters was supposedly working on the entire season and off-season last year? Is it worth ‘throwing away’ the time Wieters spent studying (something about sunk cost here possibly)? I want Wieters to be an all-around catcher, capable of calling a good game without being shepherded by Buck. I mean, this is SHJ we’re talking about here, not some mindless lamb.

Do you think that Buck calls a better game than Wieters/are you not comfortable with Wieters calling the game? I don’t have any knowledge of how ‘good’ of a game Wieters calls, but if you want a catcher to develop into an all-around catcher, wouldn’t you want him to learn to call games while he’s developing? Though, I certainly do see the upside of Buck calling a game: like Astronaut said, less time studying lineups and hitters —> more time studying pitchers and practicing hitting.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well, we're not even sure Buck IS calling the pitches

I certainly don’t remember reading anything about it, hearing anything about it, or noticing it happening. In fact, Buck usually seemed to not be doing anything during the games.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I would much rather

this be true.

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by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when are we not debating What If's?

That’s really 90% of what we do

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

its all

mental – he’s sending vibes to Weiters

The person who introduced Andrew to baseball and the O's

by QTess on Feb 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea

I know he was working on catching, but I don’t recall anything specific about calling pitches. And I don’t necessarily think that taking that burden away from him for a while is “throwing away” the work that he did – you can’t unlearn stuff like that. Having a more experienced person call the pitches for you is just more learning.

Personally I could care less who calls the pitches as long as they do a good job and if Buck calling them makes Wieters’ life easier and he is a better offensive player because of it that seems like a much better outcome than if he were effectively calling pitches and his hitting suffered. Not that I’m saying that’s necessarily the way it would work…

I don’t have an opinion on which of them calls a better game, but I don’t think that Buck calling pitches for a while will prevent Wieters from turning into an all-around catcher.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember

a lot of talk about studying hitters and lineups, which to me meant learning what pitches to call against each hitter and generally how to craft an at-bat to take advantage of a hitter’s weaknesses.

My problem with this scenario lies in the fact that I do not think Buck will be here long-term. Wieters is 24 years old (25 in May). Buck has a track record of managing a team for 3-4 years. I’m worried about 4 years down the road, when Buck leaves, and a 29 year old Wieters has to learn to call the entire game. Although, if he hits better for the next 3 years and continues to do so for his entire career, maybe that’s a worthwhile trade-off. Especially so if he learns to call a game from Buck calling the game for him, which was something I hadn’t thought about. I imagined Buck giving the order, and Wieters mindlessly flashing the signals.

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by organizedchaos52 on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

is game-calling even this important?

everything I’ve read indicates that its usually still up to the pitcher to decide what to pitch on any given pitch.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is right...

But on a sliding scale. Catchers have to put a finger down so they try to call what they think the pitcher wants to throw, so obviously they’re making a decision. I imagine some pitchers defer more when they disagree, and others less. But you gotta think all of our guys are pitching what Buck wants if he is indeed making the calls from the dugout.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure Buck's not going to be here long term

but as somebody else is calling pitches it’s not like your brain is just shut off – you’re leaning that whole time. You learn what sequences work and what don’t and how Buck calls pitches for certain hitters and why. Just because he’s not making the executive decision on what pitch to call doesn’t mean he’s not learning how to call pitches.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's more of a squat than a lean.

You know… when you’re catching and learning.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good one!!!

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by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I always feel a little worse about myself

when I call someone out for a type.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...oops

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were just baiting us

with some harsh meta-commentary about typos and whatnot

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

types not typos.

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by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

29 year old Wieters will be a free agent anyway, so don't worry about it.

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by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's just depressing.

-1,000,000

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

some of that is due to the Showalter factor, which can’t be quantified

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by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he seemed somewhat more optimistic

than he has seemed to me before (though I think he’s still sitting in the same 82 win region prediction). Is that just me?

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

talk about waking up and smelling the coffee
Do I think he’s [Matt Wieters] going to have a good season? I do. Do I think he’s going to be a superstar? At this point, I don’t.
As far as his ceiling, I think we have seen what type of player [Nick Markakis] is going to be. He’s now into his peak years and I don’t think he’s going to be a better player than what we’ve seen. Now he’ll have some great seasons — hopefully a little better than what he’s had — but I think this is who he is.
[Adam Jones is] a little younger than Markakis and I would expect to see better seasons from him….He hasn’t been the player that I expected. He’s not headed for the Hall of Fame which I thought was a possibility four, five years ago.

on the plus side,

…it’s almost magical to me what [Buck Showalter] seems to do….. I don’t know how he does it. I just know that he seems to be able to do something that has that immediate impact.

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by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, all those things seem kinda down.

I will say that it would be unrealistic if none of Wieters, Markakis and Jones took a step forward. Although maybe I just don’t want to believe it.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes him say that Wieters won't be a superstar?

his lack of production when he was 23 years old in what was essentially his rookie season is the only thing we have against him.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 24, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's 4-7 games he won't throw away with stupid decisions

Which puts us about where would we would anyway.

I’ve always been a believer in the fact the best managers screw up the fewest games possible. It’s not that a good manager wins games, it’s that bad ones lose them.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how many stupid hit-and-runs he would have to not call

to make up for batting Cesar lead-off if/when Brian goes down.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He said something similar when I talked to him as well.
How much of a difference can Buck Showalter (or any manager, really) actually make on a team?

Well, the easy answer is not much, but I do believe that the right man at the right time actually can make a real difference, and I think Showalter is one of the few “right men” who we can actually identify, considering that he’s done it three times now.

I hope the Baltimore Sun is enjoying our sloppy seconds.

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by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Shhhhh....

…you’ll upset birdman. Where’s he been, btw?

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

South Korea has announced plans

for, by the end of 2012, each south korean home to have a gigabit internet connection, and th the inital rollout is charging about $27/mo for it. In comparision, current U.S. connections average $48/mo for an average 4.8megabit connection (about 200 times slower than the South Korea connection).

Yeah, we definitely don’t need any infrastructure investment in this country.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

link?

You cant spell POOP without O's

by matman008 on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And to be fair, there are some practical reasons why its so much cheaper and faster there

largely due to the relative population density of each country. We do still lag way behind in infrastructure investment that accounts for a large part of the discrepancy.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

About half of the population of the country lives in the Seoul Metropolitan Area – and the country’s not all that big anyways. But sure, we need better Internet connections and for cheaper. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Comcast though. What’s FiOS’s bandwidth btw?

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Fios is terrible

What’s up with Google’s fiber optics? Still in the development stages?

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have FIOS in Leesburg

And I think its super fast. Faster than any of my friend’s internet connections when I go visit people’s homes. I’d have to check at the exact rates but I just know its usually pretty instant when I’m surfing around. And I download full-length movies in 10-15 minutes. Songs in maybe 5-10 seconds.

by Wieters Wieners on Feb 24, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well alright then.

Maybe I’ve heard Fios cable and DVR are terrible.

Maybe I’m makin shit up, I dunno.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

FiOS is amazing.

An absolute godsend. In my room (across from the room with the router), I have 22 MB of bandwith. Incredible.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had my FiOS for TV and Internet for 2 years now and I love it. Fuck Comcast.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We were talking about this the other day

I have fios’ medium-speed package and I blew everyone away with these numbers

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by daveh873 on Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The private sector will take care of that!

Dontcha know?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like duck will have something to say

about the private sector’s investment in internet infrastructure.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

40% of my county

Y’all can fill in the rest by heart at this point

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it

I certainly haven’t seen it advertised, and broadband companies have a habit of lying through their teeth on coverage maps down here. If you ask Comcast, they cover the whole county, including my house. When I call for service, they tell me, “We are not currently offering service in your neighborhood.”

I know, a corporation lying to the public. Big shock, huh?

-Bill

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.clear.com/coverage

Type “Salisbury, md”

and witness the swiss cheese coverage

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I typed in 21801 (Salisbury's main ZIP Code)

and got “CLEAR is not available at this location”

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

tsk tsk

you didn’t follow instructions!

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

When I scrolled to my house

Apparently, my across the street neighbor has his own little coverage are that’s MAYBE 2 acres big. And doesn’t cover my house.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it's swiss cheesy

Looks like line-of-sight coverage from a single tower. Although, the lighter green color that you have out there indicates “outdoor” coverage, so it might just be a low-power testing unit or something like that.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a big ol' ham radio tower

and given the political candidates he supports, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a militiaman stocking up to protect his family from the coming Socialist takeover.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what my daughter, her .22, and hundreds of rounds of ammo are for.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing 3 should do it

But 1 through the eye or the bridge of the nose might be enough. With the proper bench rest setup in her dormer window on the second floor, she could take them out before they got to the sidewalk in front of our house.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

you might need a bit more than “hundred” of rounds, then. But if your house is properly stocked with food etc, you could probably just kill several hundred zombies and then use those corpses to erect some sort of wall around your place. Then, as zombies try to climb over it, you could just drop ’em and they add to the wall.

This is following the slow-zombie school of thought, obviously.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to follow ...

… the trip flare / claymores / belt fed machine gun & light morter defensive school of thought when planning for zombies.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But I have my daughter, her .22 and hundreds of rounds of ammo RIGHT NOW

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

When you are ready to upgrade her ...

.. equipment to 5.56, let us know. You can start a fund we can contribute to.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Great

all that sound will attract them away from my place. Enjoy.

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by daveh873 on Feb 24, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again, what is available out there?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

3 mbps DSL, thankfully.

Just found that out last week.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It may be awhile before Clear starts offering service.

They ran through several billion – of mostly other peoples money – didn’t get their network built out as planned and can’t account for how they spent a lot of the money. (Well, they probably will be able to, but it’s going to take some time.)

Meanwhile, Sprint is trying to decide whether to invest a few billion more and go another route.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I just read today on my stupid techie blogs

that Sprint is right now in talks with some company about building out an LTE network. Also have heard many comments from Sprint brass about how it’s easy to see a future with some sort of tri-radio lte-wimax-cdma device as the transition occurs.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking about going with Clear for a while

but i’m gonna be moving soon so i figured i’d just wait until i get into my new place

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an Evo, so I use 4G sometimes

I actually don’t have 4G coverage at my apartment in northwest Baltimore, but I do a lot of other places (like right now at work). It’s super fast – I usually get around 4Mb/s and sometimes as high as 8 or 10 – but it’s not really usable while moving due to swiss cheese coverage. Great for tethering to a laptop if you have coverage, though.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kinda leery

They just say UNLIMITED internet download speed. Um, no, There’s a mbps rating you could be giving me, and you’re not. There’s a reason for that.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

They let you test it out for a while before you commit

I’ve read reviews that for where I am, they’ve consistently streamed 720p video on two separate computers at the same time without any problems. Thats good enough for me.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything causes cancer.

Worrying about it from the electromagnetic spectrum seems a bit foolish to me. At least if you are going to single out one specific source.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I was just being facetious.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew that.

It was for the fuck people, lets save the environment crowd.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

the two

aren’t mutually exclusive. it’s been rumored that people are actually part of the environment even, in certain circles.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that.

You seem to know that.

Not everyone does.

There is a reason the science education non-profit I work with keeps a long distance from the term environmental, even though most of our programs are ecology based.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you aware of what the government's leading plan is?

The FCC has proposed rules that would require pole owning entities (mainly utility companies and phone companies) to allow attachment at reduced rates, fixed make-ready costs and within specific timelines.

These rules are based on claims by communications companies – read the Time Warners, Cox and Comcasts – that the primary obstacle to broadband deployment in underserved regions are pole attachment fees. The real obstacle is simple business economics. You can’t get a return on your investment to build out new infrastructure to areas with very low population densities.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think

that I said anywhere that the current plan in the US was any good.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you always so defensive?

It was a simple question. Your comment pretty strongly implies that you believe this is an issue the public sector is better suited to handle than the private sector at at the least this a private sector fail issue. I was pointing out that the public sector wasn’t exactly forging ahead with great ideas.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And your comment implies that doing nothing (which is what the private sector has been doing, is doing, and would continue to do) is better than what the public sector is doing. That’s always the argument about public vs. private sector investment – this fantasy that the private sector will actually do it on its own.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you get the idea the private sector is doing nothing?

I spend a fair amount of my time supporting customer requests for upgraded backhaul for wireless facilities. My customers are spending billions of dollars upgrading technology and capacity. The biggest single driver is 4G. Which is being driven by consumer demand.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How about the fact that we're 18th in average connection speed globally?

I’m not saying the private companies aren’t doing business and expanding, but they aren’t going to make investments in places that don’t offer immediate returns – as you already said.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think part of the debate has to do with how you look at numbers.

The US is 18th in average speed. What is the speed in the top markets? Is it a more favorable comparison with the rate for the top 10 nations?

Take a look at the countries making up the top ten list. With the possible exception of Sweden, they have one thing in common, extremely small geographic areas and high population densities.

Trying to compare the infrastructure cost of Hong Kong or Singapore with the US is a non-starter. There is a linear relationship to how many miles of trenching, boring or stringing of fiber you have to do and how much it costs.

Out here, the federal government supports Noanet. They fund a fiber backbone along BPA transmission corridors. But there is still the cost of getting that fiber to individuals. They help with grants to cities and counties to bring the connection from the corridors to their locations. But there is still the famous “last mile” hurdle. A city brings the fiber into town. City buildings and services are within their purview, but after those centralized locations, how do you get the fiber into individual homes? Do you want to add $20 – $50 a month to your current internet service provider bill so that someone in Omak WA or Lakeview OR has fast internet access? Or would you rather pay an additional $200 – $400 a year in taxes to achieve the same result? Considering 41% of American wage earners don’t pay taxes, I can see the latter option getting votes.

For the record – this was a simplification. I know it isn’t so clear cut a decision. Which is a big reason it isn’t an easily addressed issue.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

that’s partly true and partly not. The speeds available in cities aren’t particularly fast in the US either. As I’ve said if we invested in faster speeds just for the cities it would make a huge difference and the average connection speed would increase dramatically. I’m not really arguing that we should be running lines all over west virginia – I don’t much care about that.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the top cities come in around 7.2 - 6.2 Mbps

If you happen to live in a University city – i.e smaller sized where the University is the biggest employer – you can have speeds over 20 Mbps.

As for you not caring about service or speeds in WV – that’s a big part of the issue. It is certainly a primary focus of the National Broadband Plan.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in DC

and don’t get anywhere near 7.2 – they advertise it but I don’t think they actually deliver it. Same was true in NYC when I lived there for 3 years. Maybe it’s changed.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Try moving to Capital Heights, Md.

I saw them listed as having an average speed in that range.

Which begs the question – what defines a city for the study I saw. I’m trying – and failing – to recall exactly where Capital Heights even is. I never would have guessed it’s a city. (PG County maybe?)

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by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never even heard of it.

haha

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i have...

not a city per se and def in PG.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't that where the

PG Police broke into the Mayor’s home and killed his dogs?

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That happens all over PG.

Just kidding PG!

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say ...

… sounds like the PG County i remember growing up.

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by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

that was berwyn heights...

which is right around UMDCP.

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by j.q. higgins on Feb 24, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I spent a summer living in berwyn heights

weird-ass neighborhood

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

"Right around" CP

Is nowhere around where you wanna be.

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But Greenbelt is lovely this time of year!!!!

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like due east of DC

In close proximity to Fed Ex Field and north of Andrews AFB. I think Kevin Durant’s from there isn’t he?

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fucking Represent...

I went to school in Cap Heights. It, unlike Troy Patton, exists. About an inch and a half from DC, in PG County.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

40% of my county

Not wired by Comcast. There’s 95K in my county, and Comcast REFUSES to fire 40% of the households.

That’s how I know the private sector sucks at building infrastructure.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It sucks at building infrastructure where it doesn't make sense ...

… from a market perspective.

If Comcast was told it would get incentives in the form of grants or tax breaks that covered the delta in capital and O&M costs to serve remote customers, they would be out there the next day.

Their current option is to either build it and operate at a loss, or increase their rates across their entire customer base. The problem with the latter option is they then start losing business to competion in those areas where there are low cost entry barriers – i.e. the customer rich areas.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a fucking MONOPOLY in the county!!!!!

That’s been bought and [paid for, I’m sure, by Comcast execs sidling up to our clueless County Council. If you can’t make money with a legal monopoly in a 400 sq. mile county with 95K resident, then you’re just not trying. There’s no competition – you either get cable with Comcast in Wicomico County, or you don’t get cable. And FiOS doesn’t exist out here yet. They’re the ONLY game in town,. except for satellite.

And in my case there’s a FUCKING CABLE THAT ENDS AT MY MAILBOX. Just run the damn wire to my house, turn it on, and charge me $130 a month for phone, TV and internet. And I’d gladly pay it.

Fucking stupid AND evil, that’s what Comcast is.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I know lots of folks out here who would echo your sentiments.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll tell you were I get that idea

40% of my county.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And also

I suggested right below that a focus on densely populated urban areas would make more sense for a number of reasons.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That is were most of the focus is.

It still comes down to economics. Building infrastructure is extremely expensive. One tends to want some sort of certainty that they will get some sort of return for investing all that money. The current environment has competing companies, meaning the customer base is piecemealed.

When gas, electricity and phone service was first introduced, there were competing companies. It was not unusual to see multiple pole & wire lines running down both sides of city streets. Eventually, it was decided that provision of such basic services would be better served through regulated monopolies. Right now, in so far as phone and internet service, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, with competition being the watchword. It’s pretty hard to argue that competition hasn’t spawned a host of new products, services and technologies. Just as there are also good arguments that such diversification limits the ability to develop one technology or system into the world’s best.

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- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

One tends to want some sort of certainty that they will get some sort of return for investing all that money. The current environment has competing companies, meaning the customer base is piecemealed.

Which is precisely why we shouldn’t be relying in the private sector. Not everything is about profit.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This

And not only that, but if the faster and more readily available internet stimulates the economy (which almost everybody agrees it will) then the government WILL get their ROI in the form of rising tax revenues.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Right - it comes down to economics

which is why the government has to step in when there isn’t a business incentive for private sector organizations to do it. The government doesn’t need to worry about short term ROI – that’s the big advantage.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

But the government can’t just spend money like it comes from a bottomless well. In fact the government has no money. It has to get it from us.

There are all sorts of approaches one can take.

The government can just do it themselves (the least likely).

The government can look to form a semi-private entity to handle the job (think TVA, BPA, USPS, etc).

The government can provide incentives (read tax breaks) to the private sector. (This has the potential to evolve into corporate welfare.)

The government can employ regulated monopolies.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

but these are the kinds of investments that most economists think actually make the government long term in increased tax revenue from business activity generated.

I agree there are multiple ways to do it and I’m not sure I have an opinion on which is best. I just know that relying on the private sector to get it done is not an option.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I would amend your last statement to read ...

 “… relying solely on the private sector to get it done is not the best option.”

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by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I think he got it right the first time.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all private sector companies have to worry about short term ROI.

That applies primarily to publically traded companies. Our company – an infrastructure company – is privately held, but was bought up and is no longer publically traded. Therefore we are not held hostage to the capital market.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

True

but even a private company has to generate enough revenue to pay it’s staff and debts in the short term. And historically even non-public companies haven’t made these types of investments that don’t have an immediate revenue outcome.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to quibble, but ROI and cashflow ...

 … are not exactly the same.

And my company is making those kind of investments. We are in year 4 of a 10 billion dollar capital investment program. Things slowed down some last year due to economy related revenue issues, but they have stopped or derailed the plan.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct - they're not the same thing but they sure impact each other.

I don’t know what your company is or what it does, but I would be absolutely shocked if they weren’t anticipating a return on that 10 B in the very near future.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Grab hold of something.

They are not.

We are now owned by an investment consortium. One partner looks for opportunities in the infrastructure world (read well run companies with good demand growth potential) and the other is a Canadian retirement fund that wants steady, long term revenue streams. Both definately have long term outlooks.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you're the exception.

And those are not very useful when looking at the big picture.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm frequently told that.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you know that?

I’m in the industry and I don’t exactly know what percentage of it follows the ownership model we have.

In fact, when you take into account PUD’s and Co-ops, which also take a long term approach and are not ROI driven – in fact I don’t believe they are allowed to be by law – a large percentage of utilities fall into the same general category.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

As I've said

I know that because nobody is doing it! Otherwise the government wouldn’t have to get involved.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That is because - when it comes to internet service -

- we don’t have regulated monopolies.

So with regard to that portion of the private sector that is involved with providing communications services, you are correct.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we get unregulated monopolies instead

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not going to defend Comcast or any other cable company.

Starting with how they convinced Congress in the 70’s that cable tv was a vital service and deserved utility status and subsidized rates for attaching to other people’s poles,

to the 90’s, when they said just give us access to the phone companies switches and special breaks to merge / buy up the little guys and we will ensure low cost service,

these guys have been blowing on the balls of Congress and making empty promises to the consumer. My cable bill used to be $25/month back then. I do have more channels to choose from, (so they did keep that part of their promise) but almost all of them are crap I have no interest in, or are packaged in such a way that the only way I can get all of the ones I really want is to sign up for their premium package.

Now I’m paying over a $100 a month for basic service. If i were to add internet access, it’d cost me another $100. No, I’m no great fan of the cable guys. Only reason I haven’t switched to direct tv is they can’t carry the Trailblazer games. Only Comcast has that.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 25, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The focus should be...

….on providing rural users with long distance wireless, like WiMax but better, technologies or Satellite Internet technology. They’re never going to make the economics work on the ground.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Satellite internet will never be the answer

There’s no solution to lag when you’re depending on signals to bounce off satellites and return.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's got to be better than 56K.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes yes, sometimes no

My GF’s parents have HughesNet, and sometimes it’s good and sometimes it’s not.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not much, actually

When I looked into it, it was the equivalent of 756K DSL (for 4X the $$$), but with serious lag issues and almost fascist bandwidth cap limits.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

theoretically though...

…without being an electrical engineer, the economic model makes tons more sense for development, along with a WiMaxish thing. This is something that could solve the economics for rural usage, usage at sea etc, the world over.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Sat makes economic sense?????

How??

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

look how many people could use it...

…rural yokels all over the world. plus sailors, sharks, dolphins… It’s a no brainer.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But the cost for consumers is beyond prohibitive

You’re looking at $70 a month just for slow DSL speed coverage. I’d go without before I paid $70 a month to surf like it’s 1998.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

won't someone think of the dolphins?

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The dolphins are smarter than us all anyway.

Haven’t you ever read So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish?

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I do.

Everytime I buy the lowest priced tuna.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what companies are looking at doing.

But even with WiMax, the sites tend to be tied together with fiber. Even if you are utilizing a mesh network (the sites are able to talk to each other and hand off or reroute traffic) at some point you have to tie the network back into the communications network with fiber.

My guess is it is going to take a multiple technology approach. And even with that, there will still be a large number of outliers. A more productive scenerio would be to bring access to a hub, ie a town, and use it to encourage growth around the hub. But even this is going to require other factors, like a university campus, a hospital, a big employer who would benefit from such service, plus things like low taxes, low energy costs, etc. It is happening in WA, without waiting for the federal government. Those nasty private sector people are building things like call centers or data centers and switches in the central and eastern parts of the state to take advantage low electricity rates, property taxes, housing prices and local tax incentives. The local jurisidctions and the (private sector) communications companies are then building the infrastructure needed to support these businesses. People who are tired of not seeing the sun 70% of the year and happy to take advantage of the lower cost of living are moving to places like Moses Lake and able to find good paying jobs.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a factor, yes

and we’ll always lag behind somewhat because of it, but we as a country shouldn’t be willing to accept such a huge discrepancy.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and shit

at least get it going in the cities – another incentive for people to live closer rather than further from each other.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

aren’t there a ton of other huge discrepancies that are more important and would benefit a larger part of the population? How fast does the internet need to be, and for what purpose? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, since I’m an internet denizen and would love a gigabit connection, but I’m just curious what applications require a gigabit connection and would choke on the 10 megabits I get with cable.

by PhilR8 on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Increasingly

a huge portion of the economy is dependent on the internet and then there’s also the added benefits on education, communication, etc that the internet brings. I think it would be pretty tough to find a single thing that matters more than an internet gap going forward.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

and porn

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can't ever forget about that.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm TFJ, and I approve of this message.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Feb 24, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

porn's done though

business model has collapsed thanks to the free video sites. the whole concept is going to be locked in time from here on out.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

also, there's this...

Link

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If we were to actually put the money into it,

which we are unlikely to in the current political climate, the money is probably best spent not getting from 10Mb to 1Gb, but from adding infrastructure to bring up the low end speeds and lower costs. That being said, the advantages of having a 1Gb connection are probably not immediately obvious. I don’t have any hard support for this, but i’d suggest that the infrastructure would drive the innovation and not the other way around.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I think that’s the real goal in super fast internet – not really maximizing current technology/content, but paving the way for future innovation.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A big advantage would be dispersal of the work force.

That is one of the reasons so many cities got excited by the Google RFP last year.

The RFP targeted medium to small sized cities. One example would be Bellingham, WA. Bellingham is a really nice place to live, but there are not a ton of job opportunities there. The hospital, city and university are the 3 biggest employers. With 1G service, people who now make the 2 hour commute to Seattle could work from offices (or their homes) more readily or more often.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Always knew google was trying to take over the world.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My suspicion is it was a ploy by Google to force the big communications

companies into spending more money on infrastructure.

While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes

by timg56 on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It might be time for the US

to stop picking up SK’s defence tab. If they don’t like NK, they and Japan can do something about it. And isn’t time we stopped protecting mid east sheiks, generals & crooks from their own people? And what in the bluest of blue hells are we protecting western Europe from?

We’re protecting several colonies of parasites througout the world. THIS is why we can’t have nice things!

"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."

- Cap'n Phil Harris

by sluggo 2.0 on Feb 24, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A good point

if SK had to pay for their own defense they’d probably have a lot less coin to spend on internet.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But we'd have a lot less...

…to pay Beltway Bandits. Who, as you guys know, are beyond reproach as far as spending is concerned.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Maher explained it using a TV dinner

See this steaming pile of mac & cheese? That’s Social Secuirty. And these 3 pieces of greasy chicken? That’s the military. And that mountain of mashed potatoes is Medicare/Medicaid. So what will they cut? This carrot stick.

"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."

- Cap'n Phil Harris

by sluggo 2.0 on Feb 24, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you can't cut the stuff that actually tastes good from the TV dinner

Like the little brownie that cooks when you microwave it.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

How they always get the gooeyness just right is astounding

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That brownie is always fucking delicious

or a little like apple cobbler or whatever the shit is is.

Ugh I can’t believe I used to eat those thing – hungry man dinners and what not.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I've only had a handful in my lifetime

The dinners are usually pretty shitty but those little desserts are awesome.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

From today's KLaw chat
Keith, do you see Adam Jones as a potential 30-100 middle of the lineup bat? He has stretches where he looks great, then falls off the map. Do you think a full year with the new coaching staff that Showalter put together will put propel him into elite offensive status? He’s already a plus defender. Are you still on the Jones bandwagon?

Pitch recognition has gone backwards. Has to make a lot of adjustments now to realize his potential. Tools are intact for him to hit 25 bombs with a pretty high average, but not if pitchers can get him out with their eyes closed.
I am a huge Orioles fan, are they finally on the right track and could they possibly contend for years to come?

They were on the right track before this offseason. Adding so-so veterans on one-year deals is not the right track, and risks putting short-term wins and losses over young player development.
Those O’s are not blocking anyone. You have to realize they haven’t won in over 15 years and the fans just want to see a decent product. Why suffer through another 70 win year to develop Felix Pie who isn’t very good?

It’s not that simple. When your organizational goal is winning more games in the current season, you’re substantially less willing to let Chris Tillman take his lumps in the big leagues while he works on commanding the fastball. You’re trying to win now, or you’re trying to develop your young talent.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Feb 24, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

bullshit

that guy can kiss both sides of my ass. I’ve got people around here to give me full-throated, ill thought out analyses – with much more amiable personalities than KLaw, mind you.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re trying to win now, or you’re trying to develop your young talent.

Tiresome black-and-white-argument. The world is full of shades of grey.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

there are always teams that can stay competitive while they're developing young talent

of course, I’d be in remiss if I didn’t mention the Rays (although whether or not they’ll contend is yet to be seen), but I think that the Rangers have done a good job this decade of staying pretty decent (around a .500 win% across the last 10 years) and, all of a sudden, having a really big year where they make a run.

Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Feb 24, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

practically every team is doing both to some extent. it’s all about what sort of balance they try to strike between now and the possibility of the future.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

$135 to MLB

I am such a slave….

$15 for At Bat & $120 for mlb.tv premium. I think at this point being a phillies fan would be cheaper :(

NEVER!!!!

by Philly O's on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

why do you like premium? do you stream multiple games?

by thewaywardO on Feb 24, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it to always get the MASN broadcast

over the course of the season, 20 dollars doesn’t seem that bad. Its like an extra quarter per home game.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

For the dvr and home game feed

by Philly O's on Feb 24, 2011 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

screw it

i’m reserving a couple copies of mlb 11 the show, getting the free month from each, returning one game, and activation one at the beginning of the season and one at the end of april (before the offer expires. Then i’ll hopefully get a discounted rate 2 months into the season. All because i’m cheap enough to do it.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Feb 24, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Will that work?

I’m pretty sure the promo expires May 1st. I don’t think you can stack them.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

If I use 2 accounts, what’s keeping me from doing it?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Feb 24, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong, but I think the free subscriptions all expire on May 1st

its essentially get the 1st month of the season free, not get 1 month free

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Found this:

3.Redeem your access code at ps3.com/mlbtv.

•If redeemed before 3/31/11, get immediate access through 4/30/11.
•If redeemed after 3/31/11, gain access for 30 days.
•Codes must be redeemed by 4/30/11, access expires on 5/30/11.
 

So i’ll get 2 free months and hope that they lower the year price a few bucks after that. Can’t hurt.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Feb 24, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Manny Machado's changed agents away from Scott Boras

you don’t hear that everyday

FROG SAYS PROTECT HOME

by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Where does one go to find tidbits like that?

‘cause it’s sure not the Baltimore bureau of the Chicago Tribune.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

MLB Trade Rumors

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/manny-machado-yonder-alonso-hire-dan-lozano.html

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Feb 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh....

….that.

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Feb 24, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

After last night's victory over Fl. St.

If we beat UNC on Sunday, we’re going to make it pretty tough on the tournament committee to leave us out.

Assuming we take care of business in our final two games vs. Miami and Virginia.

by Wieters Wieners on Feb 24, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still not confident.

I think we need at least 1 ACC tournament win, maybe 2, to feel good about our chances.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the UNC win will do it

Before our victory last night Lunardi had us listed in “considered category”.
That Fl. St. win should put us up in the “last 4 out” category…

I think a UNC win and a victory over Miami and UVA should get us a 11 or 12-seed.

But if we go 3-0 and get at least ONE tourney win, we HAVE to be in.

We are currently in 5th in the ACC… you’d think they have to bring 5 teams from the ACC if they’re going to be bringing 10 from the Big East.

by Wieters Wieners on Feb 24, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Virginia Tech got left out last year at 10-6 and 25-9

so there is precedent. With our lack of good wins, i think we have a real similar profile right now.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

VT beat #25 Wake last year

UNC would only be a slightly better win. If we win out and lose our first ACC tournament game, i’m not gonna feel very good on Sunday.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC's name value would get us is

UNC at #25 is a much better win than Wake at #25 in the eyes of the committee. I mean, it’s North Carolina!!!!!

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely win out, definitely two wins in the tournament.

We’ve lost a ton already. I won’t be confident until we’re in the ACC semi’s. If we lose another regular season game, we might need to win the tournament.

"No Atlantis is too underwater or fictional!"

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Feb 24, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a lot of ifs in your scenario.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Miami and UVA suck...

I expect us to take care of those games with relative ease.

UNC is the game we just need to push all-in on. We need that “quality win” on our resume badly.

by Wieters Wieners on Feb 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The Terps are fully capable of losing to anyone at any time.

They are also always fully capable of beating anyone at any time. So it goes.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about the second part

Fully capable of just barely losing to anyone? Sure.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you rather they beat Duke twice and bow out of the tourney right off or lose to Duke twice and make noise in March? I found myself pondering this all morning without success.

by thewaywardO on Feb 24, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What counts as "make noise"? Elite 8?

I’d take Duke losses to get the Elite 8. Maybe Sweet 16 too… it feels like it’s been far too long since I’ve seen Terps basketball on the second weekend.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet 16 with 50/50 coin flip from there onward

by thewaywardO on Feb 24, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take the losses to get that any time.

I’ll make an exception if we get a Terps win over Duke at Cameron that involves a Duke legend’s kid crying, though. Maybe in like 2017 we can make mini-JJ Redick cry on ESPN. That would be worthwhile.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I will always rec this

"And everything about that was about that."
-The Hurk

by Steve. on Feb 24, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, too

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Duke sucks.

/fark

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

poor kid...

sike

Get 'em.
"when life throws you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry wall"
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Feb 24, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

wellp,

we’ve already got the duke losses. So now it’s a question of lose twice to duke and make noise in march or lose twice to duke and not make a peep come march.

"And everything about that was about that."
-The Hurk

by Steve. on Feb 24, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Testduo Times had a shitstorm over that kid yesterday

It’s amazing every time Gary doesn’t win 12 ACC games, the “Fire Gary! He doesn’t even call recruits!” crowd comes out.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That was about Greg Whittington, not Breunig

and really, I think they have a point. At least calling him, even if he was probably plan B, is probably the least Gary could do. Whittington is probably no longer in the picture with the Breunig signing, but i’ve always been frustrated by his approach to recruiting.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The two seemed link by most commenters

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Feb 24, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

so much for britt’s sources
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-alfredo-simon-orioles-0224,0,31328.story

Simon was once again denied bail and remains in police custody as the primary suspect

by thewaywardO on Feb 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe something got lost in translation.

"I found her cross-legged in the window seat, with my good liquor in her bowels, a-firing farts at the waning moon." - The Sot-Weed Factor

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 24, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Son of a bitch

I made pizza dough last night for dinner tonight and JUST realized that I forgot to add the salt. This only happened to me one other time with bread and the bread was just awful.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

What happens when you add it after-the-fact?

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it's really hard to integrate it into a finished dough

if I can get it in there it will be fine. It’s remarkable how much difference a pinch of salt makes for a dough

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it's important in the fermenting process though

something about retarding the yeast.

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by Steve. on Feb 24, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That sounds offensive for some reason

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno about that

but the baked dough will taste really, quite awful. The other time it happened to me, we at least made french toast out of the loaf…but im not sure what to do with this pizza ball.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

taste, color, yeast retardation

yeast with no salt to stop it rises too quickly, which hinders the development of flavor and also leads to uneven browning.

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by zknower on Feb 24, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

fortunately

I let it rise twice last night and then stopped the yeast in the fridge. Then I put some anchovies on it, it was fine. Not the greatest thing I’ve ever made, but not the worst – not by far.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I once made cookies without eggs or baking soda

that were pretty bad

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by arlingtonOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

salt in bread

it’s not really for taste but it’s a vital structural element. I really have no clue how bread happens but it’s fascinating to make happen.

"And everything about that was about that."
-The Hurk

by Steve. on Feb 24, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally off any topic

But have you ever been so sick and delirious that you start believing everything you hear on Coast to Coast AM? I’m at that point, and I think I called in to ask if they’d ever heard of Troy Patton. I was told to never call again and hung up on.

by NSOsFan on Feb 24, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

A few Orioles-related questions from John Sickels' AQA thread yesterday
Q: Have you seen Zach Britton pitch? And if so, do his mechanics frighten you?
A: Yeah, once. There’s a little motion there as he brings the ball forward that doesn’t look textbook, but I don’t think it is "frightening" as long as he repeats it consistently.
Q: Tyler Townsand- Can he hit enough to be a productive major league first baseman?
A: Perhaps….he’s a good sleeper pick. If he makes it it will be as a Brian Daubach type. Maybe luke scott.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

Missed one
Q:after Machado, how would you rank Givens, Schoop and Narron? the last homegrown starting SS the orioles have had was Ripken, so it is exciting to see some talent there.
A: I’d go Givens, Schoop, Narron in that order at this point. I like Givens a lot.

by kba26 on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep forgetting about one of those guys at any one point

I can’t keep all three in my head at the same time. Didn’t think Narron was a shortstop though.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 24, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And I always thought Givens projected as a second baseman.

It could be worse. You could be dead. Or you could be alive and counting on Nolan Reimold.

by cirrhosis on Feb 24, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Schoop, Givens, Narron

I’m also not john sickels.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Feb 24, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Snow day = sleep until 2

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.

by WestcoastO'sFan on Feb 24, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

not bad

I usually kick myself if I make it past 11 though, I just can’t live with sleeping through lunch.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 24, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You people are too smart

What with the talented cooks, the political debates and the math… I’m baffled.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

I do my best.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Feb 24, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Audrey Hepburn is so freaking adorable...

At least, she is in My Fair Lady.

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

c'mon Dover

move yer bloomin’ Arse!

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by zknower on Feb 25, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That's one of my favorite lines in the entire movie.

And Higgins’ response to it is priceless.

Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 25, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

My son won his first official wrestling match!!!!!!

Which gives him, let’s see…..one more win than his dad ever had wrestling 3 years in high school. Now, he’s only 10, so hopefully, there’s more to come. But right now, he’s undefeated! Woo-hoo!

I can totally bore you with all 4 minutes of the match on YouTube if there’s interest. :)

/Yes, I’ll spare you. This time. Unless you want to make fun of my non-existent accent again.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

my daughter ate mac n cheese

for the first timethe other day. that too is also on yout tube for your viewing pleasure!

tell the little duck congrats!

by Philly O's on Feb 24, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I bet that would be pretty entertaining to watch.

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by duck on Feb 24, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That has to be the cutest thing I have ever seen.

She’s adorable!

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by DCO'sfan on Feb 24, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that is absurdly cute haha

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by O'sFan21 on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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