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Nature Vs. Nurture: Buck’s Impact

There’s been vast speculation amongst the Camden Chat talking heads in the past year over how each and every new addition to the Orioles will impact the team in 2011.  But the arrival of one man and his subsequent impact on our organization has invoked the most varied and passionate opinions out of all of them.  That man… is Vladimir Guerrero.  However, a close second would be our new manager Buck Showalter, and for good reason.  We’ve all read many articles about Buck’s no-nonsense attitude, and we’ve seen his track record of success.  There can be no argument against the fact that he is the most prestigious skipper the O’s have had in almost a decade.  But how will he change things?  Buck will not throw a single pitch or swing at a single ball during any game this season.  None of his contributions will be able to be statistically quantified in any way, shape or form, so it is not surprising that opinions on the impact that he brings have been greatly varied and consequently discussed ad nauseam. 

How you feel about Buck’s impact on our team in 2011 really comes down to a simple question of your thoughts on the great debate of nature versus nurture.  Are variances in the physical and behavioral performance of an individual athlete from year to year due to his/her intrinsic talents or due to his/her personal experiences?  Would Kobe Bryant have had a Hall of Fame career on any team at any time in history, or has Phil Jackson’s triangle offense made him the offensive juggernaut that he has been for the past decade plus?  Where would a late round draft pick like Tom Brady be without Bill Belichick?  Under the tutelage of Buck Showalter, will a young player like Matt Wieters or Adam Jones finally live up to the potential that has been seen in him all of his life, and if so will his success be due to Buck’s influence or would that have been the natural progression of things regardless of the team’s manager?

In an attempt to answer this question I have researched Buck’s previous managerial stints in the context of individual player performance under his management as opposed to overall team performance under his management.  In other words, I will not try to say that Buck took a losing Arizona Diamondbacks team and made them a winning team while ignoring the fact that they signed Randy Johnson, Steve Finley, and Curt Shilling after Buck had already started managing.  Granted, a few of the players mentioned were also in the prime of their careers under Buck’s supervision.  Ballpark factors can influence numbers, *cough* steroids *cough*,etc. etc. etc.  So I will try to pick examples that show a spike in performance outside of the natural progression of a career.

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Look at that face.  That man means bidness!

During Buck’s four year stint managing the New York Yankees, he managed a good amount of everyday starters that enjoyed long MLB careers and got some of their best seasons out of them. 

  • In the twilight of his career, Wade Boggs posted an OPS of .922 in 1994 and .834 in 1995, garnering MVP votes in each season.  Those were his highest OPS totals from 1992 to 1999, ages 34 to 41.  
  • Mike Stanley had two of the best years of his injury-plagued 14 year career under Buck, posting career highs in slugging and OPS while making an all star team and finishing in the MVP voting in ’93.
  • Paul O’Neil similarly had his best two years out of 16 under Buck.
  • Jimmy Key had two of his best three years under Buck, posting career highs in wins and strikeouts while making the All Star team and earning Cy Young and MVP votes in both ‘93 and ‘94.  After a promising start to his 14 year career, he regressed and suffered through five mediocre seasons on a winning Blue Jays team in his late twenties, a time that should have been his prime, before pitching successfully under Buck in 1993.

In Arizona, Buck was hired two years before the inaugural 1998 season so that he could construct the team as he saw fit and hit the ground running.

  • Omar Daal posted by far the best two years of his career under Buck, reaching lows in ERA and WHIP that he would never come close to again in his career before or after Arizona.
  • Our old friend Gregg Olson suffered through a disastrous four years after leaving Birdland.  He then spent two years in the desert with Buck and enjoyed success as the team’s closer before leaving for the Dodgers in 2000, returning to terrible pitching, and soon after retiring.  His ERA totals post-Orioles from 1994-2001, with D’Back years in bold: 9.20, 4.09, 4.99, 5.58, 3.01, 3.71, 5.09, 8.03.
  • Luis Gonzalez moved to the desert after 8 mediocre seasons with other teams and became an all-star.
  • Steve Finley posted career highs in SLG and OPS in his two years under Buck out of 19 seasons.
  • Randy Johnson’s long and storied Hall of Fame career cannot be attributed to any one manager.  However it should be noted that he started his string of four straight Cy Young winning years under Buck at the should-be-past-his prime age of 35 in 1999.

While Showalter’s stint with the Rangers was his least successful, it had the most exciting and optimistic results as it pertains to our Orioles.  Buck still had his reclamation projects, managing to get two excellent years out of 39 year old Kenny Rogers and turning him into an All Star pitcher.  But his greatest achievement in Texas was his ability to get great production out of young talent.

  • He took Mark Teixeira and made him into an immediate impact player in his rookie season at 22.  Tex had career highs in SLG, runs, and homers at only 25 in Texas.
  • Hank Blalock was also 22 when Buck came to town and hit the ground running, having three successful seasons before turning 25.  Injuries and a clear decline in production leave him in relative obscurity today at the age of 30.
  • Michael Young became a star in his mid-twenties under Buck with three of his four most successful seasons coming under his management.
  • After struggling with command in his mid twenties, Francisco Cordero’s successful career as a closer hit full stride when Buck came to town in 2003.  He’s been near the top of the league in appearances and saves ever since.

So can we look at any of this and make an accurate prediction about Buck Showalter’s impact on our team in 2011?  Of course not.  But the Orioles have a roster chocked full of players that fit the mold of those discussed above.  We’ve got veteran reclamation projects coming off of down years in Derek Lee and J.J. Hardy.  Can Buck get them back to the level that they have proven they can play at?  We’ve got too much young talent to name.  In their first full year under Buck, will we see sudden jumps to All-Star caliber numbers like we saw from his young offense in Texas?

I happen to be on the nurture side of the debate.  I believe that if DeSean Jackson, Ray Rice, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, and Chris Johnson had been playing soccer all of their lives instead of basketball and football, the U.S. would have won the World Cup last year.  I think that under Showalter, this team will have the attitude and motivation it needs to succeed.  And I say that because I saw this group of players mimic their manager’s attitude last year, when they started out slow and were not just losing, but were playing bad defense and not hustling.  They had no persona just like their manager and had basically given up right away.  There’s no way Buck lets that happen.  What do you think?

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success from omar daal...

i believe that is what is colorfully referred to as turning goat piss into gasoline.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 23, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess the obvious question would be:

How many players fell UNDER their career mean under his tutelege. If the number of players that performed above average as opposed to the number of players that were below their averages is much higher, than the point is completely validated.

But it would be pretty obvious on a team with 40 guys coming and going, that some would have periodic spikes in performance.

And I’m in the “Buck can make all the difference and pysche is HUGE” camp.

by Wieters Wieners on Mar 23, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree...that's the hole in the analysis, but otherwise awesome!

I’m psyched for this season.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Mar 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the

“Buck doesn’t make dumb bullpen decisions that consistently cost teams games” camp. Buck won’t lose games. The players might, but Buck won’t. And that will be a refreshing change.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Mar 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But where does that leave you...

in the discussion on the incredible pitching improvement after he took over for almost a THIRD of the season. That doesn’t have anything to do with not losing games really. I think he is really giving these guys some confidence that wasn’t there before. And I know its been beaten to a pulp by now, but I think that is a HUGE factor in sports. Looking the guy across from you in the eye and knowing you can compete with him.

by Wieters Wieners on Mar 23, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the starters....

I don’t have a clue. Maybe you’re right. But he used the bullpen decisively and with purpose, as I showed last year. I’m not saying it’s not both. It very well could be. They aren’t mutually exclusive. You can make good decisions AND inspire guys to perform their best.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Mar 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inspiration or fear?

One of the hardest things to do in baseball is give a damn if you’re out of it in June. And for whatever reasons BSS & DD couldn’t/wouldn’t impress upon the players that they better start giving a damn or they would be replaced, even if the only option was going with guys who had less natural ability. Buck seems to have no problem getting that message across.

"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."

- Cap'n Phil Harris

by sluggo 2.0 on Mar 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

I wouldn’t dismiss the effect of simply bringing in any new manager (especially on a long-term contract) in making the players perk up last August. It is a very different beast stepping in mid-season at a point where jobs might be on the line than it is to be the boss from day zero.

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's been demonstrated repeatedly...

that there is a bounce that occurs from an in season manager change, but it seems to me that it’s been discussed as being a grace period of a couple weeks.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 23, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that's a hard rule

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

We like the WIN RULE better anyway!

by Wieters Wieners on Mar 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is!

only two weeks!

…uh, no i don’t think it is either. even so, there are, of course, always outliers

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But.....

Buck is seen publicly as having tremendous input on who will be on this team, and has much more power than his predecessors on shaping the roster and even the skills taught in the minors. He can still realistically threaten jobs even in August.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Mar 23, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya

The number of players performing below their career numbers is very small, under the proper context. They way I approached this was to think of everyone’s career as a simple bell curve. A player is young and posts below average numbers, gets better at he hits his prime, then regresses. Examples above are of players who outperformed that curve by doing well at the beginning or end of their careers, or by seeing a dramatic spike in performance. Buck’s managed some great players like Bernie Williams, Matt Williams, and Don Mattingly whose careers followed the bell curve more exactly and thus don’t factor in (Buck had little to no impact on their numbers.

Similarly, below average players are going to be bad no matter who is managing them. Cesar is not going to win a triple crown just because Buck is his manager. What you would be referring to in the context of this argument is ONLY players who had successful careers and then saw a sharp decline in production under Buck. Those examples are going to be few and far between.

Less big words and more exclamation marks

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Mar 23, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I wasn’t referring to ‘below average’ players, simply players who performed below their average. Even Cesar has a bell-curve…. it just looks stupid.

But anyway, enjoyed the article… keep it up.

by Wieters Wieners on Mar 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bucks got his gameface on already.

The University of Utah is off to the Pac-12 Conference and will be in the South Division. Hopefully we will get to the first ever Pac-12 Championship Game. Jon " Bones " Jones new light heavyweight champion. Even if Jones got struck flush in the face he would recover and defeat whoever is in front of him. I told everyone the fight would be easy. Almost felt sorry for Rua. Anderson Silva would never fight "Bones". The Cult of Personality is here.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff

this is going on the front page

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Mar 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

frontpaged on the first try

AMD might wanna retire while he’s batting 1.000

by kba26 on Mar 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, yes...

the vegas exit.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 23, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put.

Esp relative to the young guys, it does seem like there’s a good amount of Papa Bear in Buck’s approach. What’s the saying about the best way to help kids succeed? Give them roots and give them wings? Seems to me he’s certainly done a bit of both. Good stuff.

"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come on, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool

by Fahrenheit 451 on Mar 23, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I only took a quick look so I’m not trying to comment on this post as a whole, but I’ll just say that the Buck effect was pretty much limited to pitching. In terms of hitting and defense, the Buck effect with was small or non-existent.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree the pitching was the biggest thing

But from April-July the O’s scored 3.6 runs per game. In August-October they scored 4.1. Half a run per game isn’t that insignificant.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Mar 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

they also got B-Rob back right around then, didn't they?

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Brian came back in the last week of July I think.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Mar 23, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he returned on July 23

His slash line after coming back was .287 / .361 / .403. Fine, but not exactly transformational.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Mar 25, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough about team runs even with B-Rob

I was looking at team OPS.

TEAM OPS Before Buck: .699
TEAM OPS After Buck: .703

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I haven’t done an in-depth analysis and mostly I agree with you, I was just saying.

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Mar 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's confirmation bias at work here

but it seems pretty certain to me that Buck has a knack for developing talent that Dave Trembley, for whatever reason, did not have.

This deserves more thought. JP’s got that 5 year grant from JHU right?

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Duck's point above about using the bullpen

is a major factor. Trembley was a decent guy but he wasn’t decisive, made highly questionable tactical decisions and he was clearly incapable of getting the fire going. It also helped that we got B-Rob back.

My big concern is that what we saw at the end of last season was a sort of natural statistical correction. Remember the Orioles first half of the season last year was approaching history book terrible. However, despite their shortcomings, they’re still a pro-baseball team and very few pro-baseball teams are going to stay on a route that is such a huge outlier, Showalter or no Showalter. I guess I’d say the jury is still out.

by SkinsOsTerps on Mar 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

diamond dave and decisiveness...

i don’t think trembley was indecisive, but, as at many other times, i am reminded of the simpsons:

hjs: there’s the right way, the wrong way and the max power way.

lisa: but, dad…isn’t the max power way the wrong way?

hjs: yes, just faster.

…which is to say that i don’t think trembley doubted the his course of action, just i happen to think (and i think the results bear this out) that his thought process employed in arriving at that course of action was fundamentally flawed.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article

Enjoyed it -Buck is awesome and I agree that his leadership will play a huge role in the ascent of our O’s – but I don’t understand the soccer part. Seems contradictory to me.

You say you believe in nurture, but then you make the argument that if our best athletes played soccer, then the soccer team would win world cups, which seems to be an argument in favor of nature, no?

by albert lamesworth on Mar 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The argument is that good athletes are essentially malleable

and its the training afterward that would make someone excel at a specific sport. Without someone to oversee that training to ensure the athletic ability gets applied to a specific skill set, then that person will never reach their full potential.

by kba26 on Mar 23, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes well put

But now that it’s been brought up, I can see how it can be taken either way Bad example I guess.

Less big words and more exclamation marks

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Mar 23, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Appreciate the clarification – and seriously I didn’t mean to nit pick this is one of the most unique/interesting new takes on the orioles anywhere on the net so i appreciate the contribution. Well done and keep up the good work!

by albert lamesworth on Mar 23, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

AMD, this is some great food for thought.

I really enjoyed your presenting some possible evidence of the “Buck Effect” in his past managerial gigs as well. Perhaps some of what you named was coincidence in terms of the individual player succeeding when Buck was present. But surely for at least some of those guys it was something about Buck that got them into career years.

We can only hope that Buck adds some more examples to that list this season.

"You can always tell Yankees fans by the total vacancy which occupies the space where most other people have faces." - J. K. O'Toole (paraphrased)

by Eat More Esskay on Mar 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

HOW DARE YOU SELL BUCK SHORT!

he might throw a pitch or 2 and take a few cuts…i mean the man WAS on Seinfeld

You cant spell POOP without O's

by matman008 on Mar 23, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice writeup.

I don’t know how much is attitude and how much is making good in game managerial decisions, but your bit of research helps raise my hopes that this year we are going to see performance that mirrors what we saw the last part of last season.

I do happen to agree with ArlingtonO’s that losing Brian Roberts for extended periods or seeing his performance suffer due to his back has the possibility of undoing a lot of the good Buck brings.

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by timg56 on Mar 23, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I would just like to say that I read this entire post.

by thewaywardO on Mar 23, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My biggest concern about him is the Adrian Gonzalez evaluation

And I don’t really think the US could have won the World Cup in 2010 if some of those people I have heard of played soccer. That’s crazy talk!

I enjoyed the piece as well though! I think the thing I like most about Buck is his emphasis on OBP, at least that was the case in his lineup construction in Texas. I’m prolly more pessimistic than most about him though.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Mar 23, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

for what it's worth, Buck on Buck

LINK.

“We got healthy when I got here,” Showalter said. “I just got out of the way and they kind of took it from there. I think our guys got tired of getting beat up a little bit. It wasn’t anything I had to do with, I can tell you that.”

Easy to chalk up to modesty though.

Jones on Buck

The Orioles were 32-73 on that day, and it wasn’t like Showalter inspired them with some big rah-rah rant or something. In fact, Jones said, his first meeting with the team lasted about two minutes.

“It wasn’t even a speech. He just said, ’I’m here, it’s not going to be nothin’ different, now go out and play the game,’” Jones said.

I heard Guthrie on XM talk about the Buck effect. IIRC, he said Buck didn’t do anything different from Trembley. The difference, according to Guts, was the attitude that Buck. So there’s that.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The idfference between Buck and Trembley

was non-stupid lineups and non-stupid bullpen choices. Trembley lost the O’s some games with his choices. Not as many as Brain Surgeon Sam did, but enough. Buck didn’t lose games with poor choices.

"Don't be intimidated by other teams. You guys got bubble gum cards, too. Let's go." - Buck Showalter

by duck on Mar 23, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

mos def

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there was that one time... but only the one time.

"You can always tell Yankees fans by the total vacancy which occupies the space where most other people have faces." - J. K. O'Toole (paraphrased)

by Eat More Esskay on Mar 23, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buck didn’t implement nearly as hit effin’ runs as DT. Buck did bunt more than I liked, but in general, he ran the running game and bullpen much more effectively. This might help explain the discrepancy that Stacey and I noted above. In terms of OPS, there wasn’t much of change, but in terms of runs scored, the O’s did better. So the numbers suggest that Buck was able to extract more runs with the same type of performance because he did better in game managing than DT.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much of it is luck though?

Runs increased half a run despite similar OPS. Pitching showed substantial improvement, I think something like 2 runs a game. I know there is a way to find out specifically on bb-ref, but I haven’t figured how to do it, though I know duck has. (he has corrected me on this topic before, what a canard!)

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Mar 23, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the defense got ridiculously good

that’s not sustainable, but the raw pitching peripherals still improved by about a run.

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think there’s a correlation between pitching and defense (?). if the pitching is better, the defense will improve irrespective of plays.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I mean the defense got ridiculous

look at these team BABiPs from last September: .251 over 260+ innings. In August it was the not-as-ridic-but-still-ridic .282.

That’s not the pitching propping up the defense. That’s just a good old-fashioned hot streak.

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

the inverse of it is team defensive efficiency: a measure of how many balls in play the defense converts into outs.

In 1914 Charles Mulligan got drunk, wandered into a field, and punched a man to death. Well, that man turned out to be a cow, and that cow turned out to be a delicious steak.

by Andrew_G on Mar 23, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's clever and creative thinking.

i’m just thinking out loud here. doesn’t measure the difficulty of the balls in play (line drives versus flyballs for example), but i’m not sure if defensive metrics like DRS or UZR picks up that either.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Mar 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ISWYDT

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Mar 25, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post.....

 My take on Buck since he arrived is simply that he brought confidence and attitude to the team. The young guys seemed to be able to relax and play the game with Buck taking the heat off them by being ‘in charge’. There are also many unquantifiable nuances that go into being a solid baseball team that Buck seems to understand. Baseball is littered with a history of less talented teams winning by playing smart and playing together.

Worlds shortest joke...."Pretentious?"......"Moi?"

by O'sFan_ on Mar 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Article

I’m all fired up for this season now

Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Kudos to Astronaut Mike Dexter

This story made yesterday’s Best of SB Nation.

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/3/24/2068853/best-of-the-sb-nation-network-march-23-2011

They don't have to be good. They just have to be there. - EME

by Stacey on Mar 24, 2011 6:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

geezus...

quit while you’re ahead, kid!

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Mar 24, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

the kid's a mudder

mother was a mudder, father was a mudder…

The game ball. Thanks. Roger. I'll put this with my collection of personal achievements. I mean, not right next to the good shit, but still.

by Jonny Pops on Mar 24, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awww shucks

I didn’t even know that was a thing. That’s awesome, thanks.

Less big words and more exclamation marks

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Mar 24, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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