Yankees 7, Orioles 4: Tillman falls apart, O's can't recover
by Stacey on Apr 13, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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- Chris Tillman was pretty bad. He started off with some bad luck as ground balls were hit where the infielders couldn't get to them and with a Yankee Stadium home run to right field by Alex Rodriguez that would have been an out in most other stadiums. After a thirty-pitch first inning he couldn't recover and he completely fell apart in the second inning. His final line: 1.2 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR.
- Chris Jakubauskas did a pretty good job in relief, pitching 3.1 innings. He did allow a solo HR to Jorge Posada (the right field HR advantage at Yankee Stadium is really helping keep Posada's career alive, huh?).
- Brad Bergesen pitched two perfect innings. Good to see from Bergy after is disastrous start last week.
- Jeremy Accardo had a tough inning, letting two on with none out before a double play and a fly ball saved him.
- A.J. Burnett shut down the O's for six innings. They had their chances in the first and second innings with base runners, including Brian Roberts at third with only one out in the first, but they couldn't score. From the third inning through the six, Burnett allowed just one base runner on a double to Matt Wieters in the fifth.
- The O's offense came on too little too late in the seventh inning as Matt Wieters and Brian Roberts each hit two-run homers. If only the O's weren't already down by seven at the time.
- After their outburst in the seventh, the O's were quiet. Rafael Soriano pitched the eighth, allowing just a single to Luke Scott. Mariano Rivera pitched a perfect ninth for the save.
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Matt Wieters' bomb made me happy
then I got sad because I want that to be the norm from him, and it is not.
Still, huge bombs from Matt Wieters are awesome, and quite Birdland.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i cringe every time tillman gives an interview
maybe thats what happens when players get drafted out of high school. listen to brian matusz give an interview and then listen to tillman or markakis give an interview. it’s just excruciating to listen to.
I think it's just most ballplayers
they dumb as rocks. Matusz is definitely the exception and not the rule*.
*I have not actually heard Brian Matusz talk.
Free Nolan Reimold!
by Andrew_G on Apr 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also just think it's the way some people talk
his voice just sounds dumb. He might not be. After all, he and Brian Matusz are besties and Matusz doesn’t sound dumb.
Ok, this is what I’ve been thinking.
I didn’t get to see the game because I was at the Shorebirds game tonight, but I caught the post-game show to hear Rick Dempsey say (to paraphrase),“[Tillman’s] ready physically but maybe not mentally ready to pitch every 5 days in the majors. Maybe he needs to go back to AAA to work on some stuff.”
This has come after I read most everyone on here say how he has nothing else to prove in AAA, and needs to work out the rest of his problems in the majors. What’s the deal with this? Does Tillman belong in the majors?
When he developed his cutter last season, everyone seemed pretty convinced that he was polished enough to have some kind of complete, major league repertoire. When do you know that someone is “ready” to pitch in the majors if they’re stuff is good enough?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
(Sigh) Dude, you’re making me homesick. I was born and raised on the Shore ( Berlin – pre-Shorebirds) but have been back since and caught a few Shorebirds games. It’s tough following the O’s here in CA,but mentioning the Shorebirds stirs nostalgia for home. But it’s a good thing. Now, if you can just arrange for some steamed crabs out here……………….
I cfan get a Smith Island cake shipped out to you
but fresh crabs are gonna be hard to pull off.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Matty hit the hell outta the ball twice
Cut down Gardner, and nearly picked off someone on 1st. Thus, he earned my vote.
Why the Buck not?!?
Yeah for MBP why wasn’t Matty’s awesome throw out of Brett Gardner mentioned. It wasn’t even close, he was out by 3 steps and Gardner’s a speedsters. Nobody steals on Wieters!
by Liverpoolcubsfan on Apr 14, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh damn...
I forgot that throw to nail Gardner. It wasn’t even close, and that man has wheels. I now officially double my vote for Wieters.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Just so ARoid doesn't get praise he doesn't deserve,
I think you meant to say ‘that would have been a fly out in most other stadiums.’
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Apr 13, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Tillman has the early lead in most frustrating Oriole, 2011
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
this
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Apr 14, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Tillman
The worst part of his post game interview was that he said he felt he had good stuff tonight. “My fastball and curveball were good it’s just a matter of making a better pitch to get out of the innings”. First off all, you clearly didn’t have good stuff (fastball 87 and straight and they just disregarded the couple of curveballs you got over). Secondly, you got behind in the count almost every hitter you faced and didn’t miss a bat when you dared to enter the strike zone. The guy does have talent but it’s clear he is clueless how to maximize it and either he is not being directed in the right direction, or can’t/won’t make the necessary changes. No way I would send him back out there again for his next start. Bergy looked sharp tonight and when he has that sinker working he is a very serviceable 5th starter.
Additionally, I think the Orioles would have been better off not signing Vlad this year. I think they are a better team with Scott @ DH, Pie in left an Reimold on the team. I hope I’m wrong and he hits a bunch of homeruns and drives in a bunch of guys but I can’t stand watching a guy that has zero plate discipline.
On a happy note, nice to see Wieters swing the bat with authority and produce. Tired of seeing all the stupid “Wieters is a bust comments”. The guy is one of the most valuable catchers in all of baseball even if he never turns out to be a star at the plate. If you don’t see that you don’t understand the game at all.
We are 6-4 tied for first place in the east, things are still looking very promising for this team. When we get a healthy 5 man rotation in place (Guts, Matusz, Arrieta, Britton, Bergy) this team can compete with anyone.
Go O’s
meh, the Tillman interview is just fluff. pretty standard stuff. what’s he supposed to say? I’ve yet to hear a pitcher go up there and just say “yeah you know what, I’m in the wrong here, I flat out sucked.”
also; Vlad’s crummy plate discipline leads the team in hits. it’s been his cross to bear ever since his Angels days and it ain’t changing as he gets older. and you know what? as long as he hits the ball with authority, I’m perfectly ok with that.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i mainly agree with that..
except, most of what i’ve seen from Vlad are groundballs up the middle. I wouldn’t necessarily call that hitting with authority.
if that’s what it takes to get on base and bring in the guys who are on base, whatever dude, I’ll take it.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
meh....
sure he has a ton of singles, but it’s not like he’s getting on base very much. Only Jones and Roberts have been getting on less than him.
he’s pretty much hitting like I expected him to. probably ends up the season hitting around .270, maybe 20+ homers, probably OPSing about .780. in essence, very similar numbers to his last year in Anaheim.
should he be batting 4th? eh, I don’t know, but I don’t really love Lee in the 3 hole either, there’s just no one else to put there at this point.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
going into this season, I really prepared myself to watch Mark Reynolds strike out a lot
So now when i see it, it really doesn’t bother me as much.
Yet, I also knew Vlad was a hacker coming into the season, but I think I was sort of expecting him to at least have some judgement about good and bad pitches. I’m really OK with a guy swinging at a ball that’s at his ankles, but it’s painful to watch him swing at a ball at his ankles that’s also a foot outside.
Obviously too early to really pay too much attention to the numbers, but on the other end of that, I’m not going to give him much credit for leading the team in singles and not doing much else.
Also, if he ends up with an OPS of .780, that would only be about 40 pts better than what Pie has done over the last 2 years. I would certainly question whether that $8mil and the weakened defense was worth it.
the additional 20 home runs would sure be nice though…
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd call it a wash
In two years with the O’s, Pie has accumulated about a full seasons worth of PAs. In that time he has 14 HRs, but also 8 triples. Since he’s still just 26, there is plenty of room for growth there as well.
I’m on the Pie bandwagon…starting next year though.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 14, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
he absolutely smoked that ball up the middle today
almost killed Burnett
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Joe and Fred said TIllmans' first inning pitches were really good
and that he didn’t get a couple of calls he should have.
And then he fell the fuck apart after that.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
He was definitely getting squeezed.
The pitch he threw to A-Rod right before the HR was a strike.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
When he actually swings at a ball that is over that white thing called the plate he usually puts a good swing on it. So why does this freak of nature refuse to let the crap 2 feet off the plate go? Is he the best bad ball hitter ever in baseball? Yes. But why make it so hard on yourself and try to hit balls few humans can hit? You can’t tell me one of the the most talented hitters in baseball doesn’t know that ball is 3 feet outside. I don’t understand it and don’t tell me he is paid to swing the bat and drive in runs because he is the 4 hitter. Bad baseball is bad baseball.
because he’s made it work. plain and simple. I’m convinced he could drive a pitch that bounces for extra bases. it’s just the way his game works.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard pitchers say all the time they didn't have their best stuff, or they missed their spots,
which is different than saying that they suck. Tillman has a lot of talent. But does he have the ability and the support to maximize it? Those are open questions in my mind. But at the end of the day, that’s what 2011 is for.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Since his Angels days
The first game he played with the Expos he was swinging at pitches in the dirt.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Pitching
is still not where it needs to be, no surprise. A few blowups already. Tillman has more of a long reliever makeup in the long run; not a great fastball, 4 pitches, not a bulldog or a guy with a great out pitch.
If Duke gets healthy that may push Tillman to the pen. But pitching will drive this team. 4 runs but poor pitching. As I’ve said, hitters will have 2-3 guys every night who come through, when the pitching is solid the O’s will win, D is better already.
The Starting Pitching Will Determine The Season
Tillman was bad tonight but I agree that the more disconcerting point is that guys like Dempsey and Palmer are implying that he may not be mentally ready to pitch every 5th day. Keep an eye on this one.
Wieters looked real good and bit more aggressive. It takes time and it’s still early. His average jumped about 50 points with a few hits. He made a few adjustments and found success and that’s the name of the game at this level.
"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage
Tillman--Duh
I mean, yeah, there does seem to be a mechanical issue where a guy who used to have mid-90s stuff with movement starts throwing tee-ball fastballs at 89 (by contrast Burnett’s out-pitch change was clocking at 88 at times), but getting ahead of batters just to dick around until you are forced to either groove one or give up a walk—yeah, I’d say that’s mental. Or, you might say it’s testicular, as in a lack of cojones (with apologies to the ladies for the unintended non-pc quality of the metaphor—cojones in this sense are every bit as likely in a female as a male, IMHO).
by fishoutawata on Apr 14, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Tillman really looked awful tonight.
But I think the hitting may be starting to pick up. Wieters looked great tonight. Maybe he has finally turned a corner? I am not getting my hopes up though. I voted Wieters MBP but probably should have just went with no one.
"maybe its just me but i think if the os cant get more rbis they arenever going to win why not get zito or another proven veteran in hear" - zknower
nah man, Wieters killed it tonight. walked, doubled, homered, and gunned down one of the fastest players in baseball by 3 steps. give him props.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010
by danielreese05 on Apr 13, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That throw to second for the out was awesome.
He was out by a good two steps.
"maybe its just me but i think if the os cant get more rbis they arenever going to win why not get zito or another proven veteran in hear" - zknower
by Emperor Lrrr on Apr 13, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He owns Gardner
Best moment of the game, AFAIAC. (Unfortunately, it was downhill from there.)
by fishoutawata on Apr 14, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Jak-off becomes Jak-on! Hey, not sucking strikes a blow for Lithuanian Americans!
Like you care. Anyway, that was a nice thing. Plus, the team didn’t just phone it in after a 2-inning clusterf#%@ made this one a mercy-rule candidate. So that was good too.
On the other hand, who the hell needs “respectable” L’s? We had Albert Belle for that — that specialist in late-inning 3-run homers that made a game 11-7 instead of 11-4 — and we all remember how useful that was (let’s see if SC is monitoring this).
OK Jake, the ball’s in your glove, buddy. Can you do some Jakubauskian Not Sucking 2-nite?
Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
SC's not comin' back, man
He’s never comin’ back.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Come back, SC!
Didn’t you just want to shoot that kid?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Tillman
I’ve followed him since the minors and it really seems like many have said, lacks a clue as to what he is doing and needs to get done. He has alluded to the fact of throwing with less velocity to gain control, while in fact he still has little control and now his fb is rare to get above 90mph. His delivery is also different now which Im guessing is also a change he made to try and gain control and it just isn’t working. I’d rather he go back to throwing harder and trying to figure out a different way to throw strikes… cause the way he is going no he won’t be around long enough to fix anything.
Nah, Danny Cabs threw it WAAAAY faster with bad location.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Voted for
Jack-A-Roe
Not that Matt didn’t deserve it, but for ChrisJack to HTFU and keep the team in the game for 3.1 was truly MBP in my book. Plus, how often will he ever get a shot?
I do hope Matty has finally begun to turn the page. It must be frustrating as hell to keep getting up there with nothing to show.
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