Game 38: Orioles (17-20) @ Rays (23-15), 4:10pm EDT
by zknower on May 14, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
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PrintBaltimore Orioles at Tampa Bay Rays, May 14, 2011 4:10 PM EDT
The gods of the diamond deemed that the Orioles need a little more time to think about how pathetic they've been, so their Saturday matinee against the Rays has a late-afternoon start.
Die-hard baseball fans everywhere won't want to miss today's compelling rematch between Brad Bergesen and Wade Davis. These two titans squared off last Sunday in Baltimore and produced a spectacular affair that will be discussed for the ages. Davis lasted for five full innings, giving up 3 earned runs on 5 walks and 4 hits! Not to be outdone, Bergesen went an unholy four and two-thirds innings (!), giving up 5 earned runs on 2 walks and 9 hits! I expect MASN's ratings to reflect a suitable spike today. (Note: snark aside, Wade Davis is actually a pretty good pitcher. On the plus side for the Birds, he uses his right hand to throw the ball.)
To further whet your appetite for spectacular baseball, Jake Fox will be sitting in for Matt Wieters today. According to Roch, "Fox's game-calling has come into question, to put it mildly. You've heard manager Buck Showalter talk about bad 'pitch sequences.' You've seen instances where Fox and the starter haven't been on the same page."
In the four games that Fox has started at catcher this year, the Orioles have given up 32 runs. Woo-hoo!
After last Sunday's loss to complete Tampa Bay's sweep, Nick Markakis said, "It's definitely frustrating. We know what kind of ball clubs we are up against. We're just not getting the job done."; and Brian Roberts added, "It's one of those stretches where we can't seem to get the big hit, we can't seem to get the big out," Roberts said. "We can't seem to do a whole lot right, to tell you the truth."
Well boys, it's a week later. And last night, I didn't see anything to indicate you've figured out how to play like major leaguers just yet.
Ummmmm, go O's?
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1. Brian Roberts (S) 2B |
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1. Sam Fuld (L) LF 2. Ben Zobrist (S) 2B 3. Johnny Damon (L) DH 4. Evan Longoria (R) 3B 5. Matt Joyce (L) RF 6. B.J. Upton (R) CF 7. Casey Kotchman (L) 1B 8. Reid Brignac (L) SS 9. John Jaso (L) C |
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Hooray!
I get to watch baseball tonight!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
A real riot
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BRob and Nicky picking up right where they left off.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Raise your hands anyone who saw that coming...
didn’t think so.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
They'll be running like crazy
with Fox behind the plate
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
DP!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Looks like batting practice
good thing Longo swung at the first pitch breaking ball…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
is there any such thing as a lucky orioles fan?
by OriolesFan9229 on May 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Degrees of luck
Normally, we’re sitting in the “Run over by a bus” territory but when you win 1000 for a double play, you move up to the “Run over by the bus, but ate a nice sandwich today” territory.
corelation does not indicate causation
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Idk know what was more shocking
The fact we scored a run in the Top, or the GIDP and no runs in the bottom
He really has improved on that lately
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if fox isnt hitting like he was in spring training which he clearly isnt
why not bring up Tatum to be backup catcher. It would at least be an upgrade in defense.
He's on the DL
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lu-cky
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Our goal this game is to frustrate the Rays...
… by giving up extra base hits and then stranding the runners at third.
Its the rope a dope
All the running on the bases and these big swings on fly balls to the warning track are gonna wear them out.
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nuts
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
Not reasonably likely.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14746277&topic_id=9781914
by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Zero is how many I think he can
But two is how many he has thus far.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Long drive just foul, then a deep fly chased down by Upton. Oh well.
No K’s and a lot of fly balls for Davis so far. Gotta get something off of him.
Could be worse, at least they're putting the bat on it
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's promising.
We just need to convert. Bergesen is giving up quite a few hard-hit balls here.
Called it
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Fox, you fucking gasping asshole of suck.
Clutch a coupla more times before you throw it jerk off.
Why the Buck not?!?
and now reynolds drops the ball
what a bunch of crap
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
Reynolds, you fucking gaping asshole of suck.....
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I want my Matt Wieters back.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
matt would have put deep into reynolds glove
With sugar on it as well
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Matt would have transported himself into the body of Reynolds
and caught it himself.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
matt is a bit of a catcher god like creature
Even if they say he isn’t all that, and so on and so forth
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fine by me.
DFA his fetus brained ass.
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice one guys
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14746277&topic_id=9781914
by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
He gets out of it again, whew.
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
I don't think he ever really had control of it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I've never seen that before
I didn’t know a guy could be ruled “Caught Stealing” if he doesn’t actually get thrown out.
Hard to tell
But it looks like. Reynolds definitely caught the ball, lost it during the tag.
by fishoutawata on May 14, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuld slid into the bag
It looked like his helmet popped off and hit Reynolds’s hand, which knocked the ball out.
I just want to shake him and say:" Where are my HR's, bitch?"
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Truth
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. evidently The Rapture is supposed to take place next Saturday.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he walked?
that can only mean he’s going to picked off
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
atta boy
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
Look at all these GO by Bergy!
So far, it’s either a hard hit or a GO
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
GO/AO: 8/1
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That girls little league no hitter was in 2005
Not 1995
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That's about as good as Bergy has ever looked right there.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
every fox smells hus own hole
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can you do it for Roberts, Nicky, Lee, and Vlad as well?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I was just about to say you should put BriBob on notice.
And then he gets a base hit.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you need to really mean it though.
I can only use it sparingly.
Fan-dabby-dozy.....tastic.....
where have you been?
we needed this ultimatum weeks ago!
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
Thank youThank youThank youThank youThank youThank youThank youThank youThank you
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The swings that he took today look much different than most of the year
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
About damn time
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14746277&topic_id=9781914
by WestcoastO'sFan on May 14, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
What the fuck is Markakis doing? Can he only get hits on balls now?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Swinging that shit by your mouth again, Nick?
Alls well that ends well, I guess….
Why the Buck not?!?
Shit! The Apocolypse!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME Luke???
After 4 straight balls you are doing that shit on first pitch???
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Karma for not having a fucking clue up there
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
first 2 innings were shaky
but the last couple were real nice. Lots of grounders and very few pitches.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
fuck I hope that wasn't our only chance to break it open
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Doesn't seem like a hot gun
based on what Davis is throwing.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
See, Brian....It feels good not to be a complete fuck up, doesn't it?
A base hit. Then a nice defensive play. Good job.
Why the Buck not?!?
He's a Brignac...
…Brignac on the Floor.
And he flied out like he never flied before….
Fan-dabby-dozy.....tastic.....
AJ looking like a fucking stud right now
taking the sliders down and away and crushing the ball.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Jonsey!!
Let’s break this bitch wide open
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
or sacrifice with one of our few hot hitters.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr.!
Old Adam would have swung at the previous pitch.
New Adam lays off and gets an extra base hit.
Why the Buck not?!?
Gary kept calling it a good bunt...
And if it was just to move the runner over, I suppose it could be called that.
If it was with the intent of getting a base hit, then it was a bad bunt.
Not to mention
that Jake Fox is real likely to drive him in from 3rd!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Especially with our masher Jake Fox coming up next.
And it’s not like Davis has been wild or anything.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on May 14, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit Shit Shit
The 4th horseman!!!!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Agreed.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on May 14, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it usually is
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nice surprise from the fox!
Wonder if Matt would have done that.
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 5:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Last trip through the order...
Reynold HR, Roberts and Markakis singles, Vlad with a walk, Jones with a double, Fox with a HR.
"Did you see that Buck?? Did you see that??? Please don't cut me!"
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
got stuck in the catwalk
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
I'm ok with that K
he’s actually taking a hard swing now which is something we haven’t seen.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It's all he's good for.
Reynolds was trying to be someone he wasn’t, like Jay Gatsby. Time to get back to the real.
Fan-dabby-dozy.....tastic.....
C'mon that foul cannot be a strike..
…if nobody knows where the fuck the ball is.
Fan-dabby-dozy.....tastic.....
I think you still err on the side of the more likely, less-significant outcome
if you aren’t totally sure it would have been a home run, don’t call it one.
nahhhh
the Rays deserve some punitive measures for staying in a stadium that shitty.
Fan-dabby-dozy.....tastic.....
It's worse
they city fathers decided to build a stadium so awesome that a baseball team would have no choice to move there. There was no timeline.
This….thing….is what they came up with
now that is the reynolds we all love
And know
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I kind of love the 180 degree swing in approval on certain players. it may be temporary, but it’s still kinda funny.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
we are all bi-polar when it comes to our beloved/frustrating O's
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s nothing special with the glove, but I think we could do worse in terms of bench players.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is Tatum sucked with the glove,
the arm, the bat and had no power.
Fox sucks but occasionally hits a homer.
Making it interesting
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be hilarious, if...
He and Tillman just started pitching lights out now.
I honestly don’t know what the Os would do in that situation.
I imagine they would rejoice.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on May 14, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Bergy wants to make the choice hard, I think.
by fishoutawata on May 14, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This is such a crazy day.
Bergy absolutely dominating, Fox and Renolds hitting hrs, Nicky and BRob playing like it’s 2006, AJ and Vladi taking walks left and right. All that’s left is for Accardo and Gonzo to have 3 up 3 down innings.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Now you're pushing it
I’m holding out for the CG.
by fishoutawata on May 14, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He's on pace
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
haha it looked like Bergy didn't have any interest in what Fox had to say
pretty wise
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Ok Nicky - just swing at one up around your chin
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Everybody taking good hard swings today
nice to see
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I really thought you were going to say
“If it’s something about Jim Palmer, then you know it’s going to be douchey.”
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
guess if I had his record
I’d brag alittle too, maybe even alot.
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
3DG is seriously worried about pitchers getting hurt because of umpires throwing them the ball??
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
no chance!
these guys play catch 150-200 days out of the year – they aren’t going to get hurt catching a ball thrown by some old man.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I got in the stadium at 6:45 on Thursday
and they were already out of them. Boo.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So let's see....
From what i can tell, Bergy has kicked ass, and Reynolds hit a dinger.
My overly-negative game write-up worked exactly as I intended it too. Mwahahahaha!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
too late :(
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
wait
FOX hit a home run too?
I AM LEGEND!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
10 pitches.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 14, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
jeez....its only 6pm
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 14, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlad AND Adam walked
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to make a joke
about throwing at Vlady being the only way to keep him from swinging after that first pitch
Then the second pitch happened
I assume you're asking because of all the crap that flies up
No, that’s just filth.
by Holymittens on May 14, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the record, I shot my best target EVER today
247/9X ironsight at 50 yards. Yeah, me!
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Did all the guys put all their suck in Luke's locker for today?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Is there anyone in here with mod powers who wants to take the recap?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I just got home and missed the first 6 innings.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 14, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well you're ahead of me
I just caught the last two batters.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yep...same!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 14, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.....
and NON mods who were here all game? Want to flex your writing muscles?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
*any
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Jonesy!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Way to go Adam.
That seeing-eye grounder was maybe more lucky than good, but then again, good players make their own luck.
Pretty sure not
I think the first time Bergy got really hammered this year it was with Fox behind the plate.
no, one other game.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
actually, twice before
With Fox catching, Bergy gave up 6 runs in 6IP to the Yankees on May 23, and 2 runs in 6IP to the Red Sox on May 28.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
neither is Jake Fox
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Timelord!
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on May 14, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We've all gotten too giddy.
So DLee decides to boot an easy grounder.
Here comes the pain.
Why the Buck not?!?
It's because of games like this...
….that i get tired of the hate for 3E1N.
He’s 25, cheap, under team control for 4 more years, and when he’s on, he’s lethal. He deserves the opportunity to become more consistent. Even if it’s to groom him as a trade chip.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
however, when he’s not on, it’s ugly. really, really ugly.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
in 6 starts this year,
he has given up 3 runs or fewer 4 times. He has had two ugly games, and four solid starts where he didn’t go deep enough.
And that’s before today’s masterpiece. He’s absolutely a solid #5 guy. I’m not sure TIllman shouldn’t go to the pen, since he’s still figuring out his pitches, and Brad knows his.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Of those 4 times
he only pitched into the 6th once. Not exactly great starts.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
see above where I said he didn't go deep enough?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
TWSS
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So then what's the point of mentioning them?
They were not good starts.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
They were starts where he pitched effectively,
but wasn’t efficient.
Arrieta and Tillman have had the exact same issues.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I wouldn't include Arrieta in that group at all
he’s only gone less than 6 innings in 2 out of 8 starts.
There’s no doubt that both Tillman and Bergy have sucked.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Arrieta: 5-2/3 IP per start
Bergy: 5-1/3 IP per start.
Not a whole lotta difference there.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
dragged down by that one crap-tastic start methinks.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
6-8 starts don't mean anything really
Bergy’s career WHIP is over half a point lower than Arrieta’s.
I’m not saying Arrieta isn’t a better pitcher. I’m saying Bergy deserves further support and grooming from the Orioles.
People around here treat him like he’s a hack. He’s not. He’s a young guy who is still figuring stuff out and has had phenomenal success for stretches of time.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Right
and in your view that includes his 2009 that is his true ability. To most of us his 2009 was a fluke since he was a) never a prospect, b) never showed major league stuff, and c) hasn’t shown any ability to repeat that success. Arrieta meanwhile was a huge prospect, has major league stuff, and has shown improvement rather than regression. It really doesn’t seem very complicated to me.
All that being said I don’t know what you mean by him deserving further grooming. Is the fact that he might go to the bullpen a problem for his grooming?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
can't answer now, just got a phone call
but it’s not just 2009. It’s the last two months of last year as well. Look at the stats.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Eh
I just see a very inconsistent year. Horrible first month, decent 2nd, awful 3rd, pretty bad 4th, incredible 5th, and solid 6th. Declining K/9 from July to October doesn’t look too hot.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
OMG, K/9
can’t have this debate again.
K-rates don’t correlate to wins. Ask Daniel Cabrera.
A bunch of ground ball outs are just as good as strikeouts, and they actually get your starter deeper into a game.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
and you're saying 3 good months out of 6.
In his overall career, he has 9 months of good starts, and, 4-1/2 of bad. By all means, let’s toss him.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
...and last word is yours,
I gotta bolt.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Who's saying toss him?
And where do you get 9 months of good? He had 2-3 good months last year and 2-3 good months in 2009.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I forgot how short his season was in '09
my bad.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Dude, we don't need him to be Cy Young
we need him to be a solid #4 or more likely #5. And honestly, he looks like he’s it more than Chris Tillman and his straight-as-hell 89 mph fastball.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Oh I agree
that right now he looks much better than Tillman. I still don’t think he’s pitched at all like a solid 4/5 last year or this year (this start excluded obviously).
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Getting into the 6th in more than half your starts would be nice.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
off the phone
who was “a prospect” and who wasn’t has nothing to do with anything at this level!
I’m not arguing for Brad over Arrieta. I’m arguing for consideration of him over Tillman. Not even that it’s a done deal, just consideration. The haters don’t seem to want to give him that.
Bergy’s August and September last year:
11 starts, nearly 7 IP (6.8) per start, 41K, 21BB, 2.88 ERA, 1.12 WHIP.
He faced Texas, Boston (twice), New York, Toronto, and Tampa Bay in those games. Despite this, he was one of our best pitchers down the stretch. Were you aware of that?
You’re saying I’m only going on his first year numbers. I’m saying you have to count more than the starts where he came back from injury last year, and his inconsistency these past 6 weeks.
The guy deserves more slack than people here are giving him, and tonight is certainly proof of that.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Prospect status absolutely matters
People become prospects when there are expectations of success at the major league level based on amateur and minor league performance, tools, and makeup. Non-prospects don’t succeed nearly as often.
If all you’re arguing for is consideration over Tillman you’ll get no argument from me because Tillman sucks.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Fuck that shit
Someone’s a “prospect” because they went to the right camp, got in the baseball factory school, knew someone who knew someone or supposedly hit 95 on a juiced gun once in HS.
I’ll take actual performance in MiLB and coaching evaluations over who’s a prospect every time. Fucking elitism rearing its fuckin’ ugly head again.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
What the fuck are you talking about?
The only way you crack any of the top prospect lists is through a combination of tools/skills and performance (either amateur or MiLB). Going to the right camp or knowing people doesn’t make a shit of difference – it might get you signed, but it doesn’t get you onto any top prospect lists. I don’t know where you would ever get that idea. Actual MiLB performance IS one of the factors that leads to people being top prospects.
Yeah it’s totally fucking elitist to think that the players with the best abilities are the best prospects.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Apparently...
if you’re a “prospect” when signed, your bad performances can be explained away, but if you weren’t someone’s pet project when signed, well, fuck it, a 1.363 WHIP in the majors means you’re dog shit, and that prospect with a 1.543 WHIP should get another chance.
FUCK THAT SHIT. What the fuck has a pitcher DONE???? Given two pitchers and two sets of results, I’m going with RESULTS and coaching evaluations every time. Best results plays, prospects can fuckin’ sit.
Brad Bergesen has a CAREER 1.3 WHIP in MLB.
It’s better than Arrieta.
It’s better than Tillman.
It’s better than BRIAN FUCKING MATUSZ.
Yes, go look it up if you think I’m lying. Better than Brian Matusz.
But he wasn’t a prospect, so let’s let Chris Tillman shit the bed another dozen starts.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I’ve already been over why I think his career numbers are problematic with ZK above, but nobody is trying to explain anything away. People put guys on prospect lists based on who’s most likely to achieve long-term major league success. One guy struggling another guy succeeding in small sample sizes don’t have much of an impact on that.
So, when you look at the combination of minor league numbers (where Bergy is much worse than Matusz and slightly Arrieta – I don’t know why you people keep bringing up Tillman since you’ll never hear me say he’s better than Bergy) and peripherals and stuff nobody is going to be that convinced by brief periods of success in the majors.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No, it doesn't.
MiLB performance matters. There are dozens of highly ranked prospects every year who flame out.
A player’s status as a former “prospect” — which itself is not an absolute, since it’s basically a bunch of different lists by different people — should NEVER, EVER be a factor into whether they get to stick at the ML level. It should entirely be based on observed talent and performance in the majors and minors.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't know what you guys think goes into prospect status
but MiLB performance is GIGANTIC factor.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That may be a good argument to send 3E1N to the bullpen
It’s easier to pull a reliever quickly when it becomes obvious he doesn’t have it that day.
When Matusz comes back
you think 3E1N should stay in the rotation? What about when Duch is ready? I think his future is the bullpen as a poor man’s JJ.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Duch will never make a start in an orioles uniform
by OriolesFan9229 on May 14, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He should go to the 'pen, for sure
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does one game like this out of 7 starts make you tired of the hate?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
because it's not one start.
it’s his entire first season, which was pretty awesome. last year, and a coule of solid starts this year. last year, he had to re-learn to pitch after having his leg shattered.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
there's lots of different ways to see things
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
hey
just turned the game on. Bergesen’s looked good I take it?
"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts
Yup. Gave up some line drives early...
… but a lot of routine grounders and weak flies later. I’d like to see some more K’s, but that’s it.
People fifn't know how to spell his name when he came up
BErgEsEN
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
is your D broken?
or is this some kind of cheap omega code?
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
any excuse i can get
poor typinv/
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a mnemonic device to help spell his last name
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
now let's see if he can figure out the rec/flag button
and which he chooses
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
The Rays' mascot is named Raymond?
That’s about as creative as the Orioles’ mascot being named the Orioles Bird.
Everybody loves Raymond
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on May 14, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like a mascot named
Lord Mobula. You don’t forget Lord Mobula, more honest what with the soul harvesting and all. That is what mascots do, their purpose. Makes money for the team souls do, high resale value. Younger the better.
Along the lines of the 3E1N comment...
It’s also why we call our right fielder Markakis… It’s a mnemonic for how to spell his name.
I was waiting for the Rays to finally have a stinker game
now lets just close it
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
What the hell is this???????
6 runs on the division leader on the road? With our #5 starter???
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
If I'm him....
I’m seriously gonna poison the post-game buffet one day.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
How did Nick not score on that?
Exactly what I wondered.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
probably getting slower as well as weaker
from not working out at all ever
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Lee, the trend for this game is holding
what is wrong with Nic? time to get your ya ya on buddy
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
sno cone!
nice play.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Lots of great plate appearances this game.
Even some of the outs… like Lee with the almost-HR, Vlad just now…
he really wants me to hate him and it’s working.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
Duch doing his best to pitch this year
Shortstop J.J. Hardy spent time with Duchscherer in Sarasota, and was impressed by the veteran’s progress and his demeanor.
“When I got down there, he was still kind of hurting. You could tell. Any time you have injuries and you want to get back, it puts you in a bad mood. For the first week, I felt like he was in a pretty bad mood,” Hardy said. "After he started feeling better, he changed as a person, he changed with everything.
“He came to the ballpark, he was happy, he was excited to get after it. Performance-wise, I stood in on a couple of his bullpens and I was real impressed with that. He hits his spots better than, I think, anybody with any of his pitches. He just kind of pinpoints.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-notebook-0515-20110514,0,2635199.story
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I'm pretty excited to see what he can give us
although I wish all the depression jokes would stop. It just seems pretty lame to stigmatize it like I’ve seen done a few times here.
"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts
Who the hell eats McDonalds around the dinner table?
I always thought it was meant to be eating from a trough….or a feed bag.
Why the Buck not?!?
Who tortures their family by bringing McDonalds home as dinner?
McDonalds is what you eat if you’re too poor to afford anything else (which those people clearly are not; their house is too nice) or if you’re out and don’t have the time to get real food.
am I the only one who likes McDonalds? probably wouldn’t bring it home to the family, but…
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I don’t eat their hamburgers, I like the chicken sandwiches though.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
not the fries. though from my experience, it’s kind of regional.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I like salty and greasy, so we can agree to disagree on that one. also; thin fries are good IMO, makes them crispier.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
wait..what’d they do this time?
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They were founded by a fairly conservative couple
who have chosen to keep the stores closed on Sunday for religious reasons.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I'm sure they donated money to causes
that many on here would find objectionable.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
This is the issue
I have no problem with being closed on Sundays. its the strong support for Prop 8, and Focus on the Family and National Organization for Marriage.
how terrible
for someone to have an opinion different from yours
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
Yes, i think it is terrible for someone to infringe on the consitutional rights of a large class of people
how petty of me.
…but they make good chicken!
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So he doesn't spend his money there
Seems to me like the free market and the marketplace of ideas we’ve set up in this country are working just fine. If he finds the politics of the owner objectionable, he doesn’t have to spend money there. That’s the great part of living in America – your actions can reflect your beliefs.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
They are free to have their opinion
and I am free to object to it and not frequent their business. As I choose to do.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the Top Gun volleyball scene is stout competition.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance
While that movie is oozing with man love the end fight of Commando tops it all. Arnie convinces the bad guy, a freddie mercury look alike in a chain mail sleeveless dress over leather pants, that he doesn’t want the girl, he wants to stick his knife in arnie and twitst it around for full pleasure. The fight of course climaxes when arnie throws a pipe through chain mail freddy mercury and thick white steam comes pouring out the end of the pipe.
oh yeah, I knew about being closed on Sundays, nothing wrong with it but it kinda pisses me off just because I pass one coming from church every week and realize that I love it.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Same reason I don't eat Domino's Pizza.
Founder gives gobs of $ to the GOP.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I can resist Coors because it is awful. The political angle is moot.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just never really thought too hard about where the money for my McChicken is going. and honestly, I’d like to keep it that way, it’s their money.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They ALL give gobs of $$$ to the GOP
So unless you’re gonna eat sprouts from the local food co-op every time you eat out, good luck taking a consistent moral stand on that.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Keep telling yourself that
They’re just more public about it.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
It's businesses like Koch Industries you need to be worried about
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
yeah…them and Skynet…
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have successfully done just this.
Never eaten there.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If you ever have one of their shakes
you will truly regret the years you missed them.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
FAST FOOD IS UNHEALTHY???? no shit.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like crack
You don’t want it too often but every once in awhile you need that hit. Regular McDonalds makes me mcquesy but I’ll sometimes grab a mcmuffin if I have to work a saturday
I'm pretty sure I've never wanted crack
Breakfast is the only stuff from McDonalds I ever get. Back when I was in college, they had a sausage & egg bagel meal that was great.
WaWa Sizzlis are so much better than McD's breakfast sandwiches.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
wawa does not have a drive-thru
and are not on every other corner across from a subway
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
Following Ray Miller's 3 laws
He’s working fast, changing speeds and throwing strikes.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Jim's been there, done that
Likes bergys stuff today
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Derrr...nevermind. I am an idiot.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
back-to-back-to-back really good outings, though
and only bergy will pick up the win
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
Yeah. Hit post prior to thinking.
But I would be interested to know when the last time we had back to back CGs.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Brilliant Bergy!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Bergersen shook oFf fox more times on one pitch
Than wieters gets shook off in a week.
by dkdc on May 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
looks like he is calling his own game today
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
some of the shakes have been called shakes
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My pervy iPhone
Tries to autocorrect that to “wieners shook off”
by dkdc on May 14, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
which is one of the many reasons i have autocorrect turned OFF
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition."
I want the CG S/O.
"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
by danielreese05 on May 14, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of O's fans at the Trop,
from the looks of it. Unusual.
no, not Olney. But I hear good things.
lot of snow birds still down for the winter
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
my brother in law still there
doesnt come home till the frost date May 30
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid is impressive
TB farm system strikes again.
by fishoutawata on May 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It looked like they weren't even trying that half inning
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
Another MFY make-up announced
the New York Yankees have announced that their rainout from April 12 against the Orioles in New York will be rescheduled for July 30 at 7:05 p.m. It will be the nightcap of a day-night doubleheader.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2011/05/bergesen_escaped_jams_early_an.html
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
and for good reason!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
One more!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
O!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
R!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
L!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
S!
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl of Baltimore
by J(O's)elskIL on May 14, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
HELLS YEAH!!!
First shut-out of Tampa Bay all year? Damn.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Evens the season series, right?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
We won 3 there
They won 3 here
They won Friday
We won today
Yup, all even
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
So we're even...
against the team with the second-best record in the AL.
Not bad.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
but we are still 0-6 vs. the MFY
gotta change that.
Why the Buck not?!?
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
0-4 I believe?
And we will.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Palmer just said
Fox “called a great game.” As far as I could tell, Bergy shook him off three or four times for almost every pitch. This was Bergy’s win, but I can’t take the dong away from Fox.
no, not Olney. But I hear good things.
He didn't mean calling pitches
Fox just said today would be a great game over breakfast this morning
wow
did our least best pitcher just shut out one of the last two teams that have yet to be shut out?
From the ever-helpful Britt Ghiroli
Bergesen threw 103 pitches, 68 strikes. Held the Rays to four hits and a walk, struck out five.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Jake Fox talks way too fast.
"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts
He JUST finished the game 3 minutes ago
I’ll give him a pass.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I'd go with embarrased
We just had our #5 starter throw a CG SO against them. Ha!
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
what do the birds do in Tampa till tomarrow
fish?
by 13yearsandcounting on May 14, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
Brad's ice pack looks like they had to surgically re-attach his arm
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
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