Losing faith in Andy MacPhail
I like Andy MacPhail. I was excited when he signed on with the Orioles. He comes from a great baseball lineage, has been the architect of 2 world series teams with the Twins and helped the Cubs achieve a few pretty successful seasons. I understand that lots of blame is placed on leadership when teams are playing badly, and personally, I think most of that blame is unfair. I have defended Andy MacPhail since he came to Baltimore. But here, close to halfway through the 2011 season I am starting to question myself, and Andy MacPhail.
The Orioles have been terrible for over a decade. I don't drink the orange kool aid and try to keep a rational perspective. it's difficult to bring high level talent to a non-competitive franchise. I get it. Absent a private island and hundreds of billions of dollars, A-level talent will not come to the Orioles. I can't blame them. But we hire Andy MacPhails to work within the given circumstances to acquire the best talent available. With the budget and allure of the Yankees, my dog could be a successful general manager there. Brian Cashman must wake up laughing everyday. The greatest challenge (and opportunity, in my opinion) is with teams like the Orioles; teams with a rich baseball history, with a moderately high payroll, and who have been struggling. We have a dedicated fan-base, beautiful ballpark in a beautiful city, and money to spend. It's a recipe for success for a talented GM. What went wrong?
Andy's self-proclaimed philosophy has been to grow the pitching and buy the bats. The pitching has grown pretty well, but where are the bats? I'm having trouble finding a single successful free-agent hitter that Andy has signed. The best I can think of is Aubrey Huff, who hit 30+ HR and drove in 100+ RBI in 2008. But Andy traded him to the Giants in 2009 for ??? Nobody even knows anymore. It's much easier to list Andy's busts. Garrett Atkins was beyond terrible. Felix Pie has raw talent, but never developed for the Cubs. Andy thought that perhaps he might miraculously mature with the Orioles. It hasn't happened. Derek Lee is a decent glove, but is clearly a washed-up hitter. Mark Reynolds has historically been a high strike-out, high-power hitter. He brought one of those characteristics to the Orioles. JJ Hardy has looked pretty good this year, but he's been injured. It's too early to tell. Vladimir Guerrero has somehow proven to be the best acquisition this year with 6 HR, 26 RBI and a .281 average 3/8 of the way through the season. I understand the challenges that come with being the GM of a ballclub like the Orioles, but Andy's strategy of signing washed-up, injured players has been disastrous. He needs to quit signing cast-offs from the Cubs (Derek Lee, Kevin Gregg, Felix Pie) and start using proven baseball analytics to find and sign productive players. If he's smart enough.
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Adam Jones came to the O’s under Andy. That was a big winner. I also think, you’ve got to take chances on guys that are percieved as washed up (like Billy Beane would). My problem with Andy is that he’s overpaid for crummy relievers. That’s not growing the arms.
Well, let me rephrase
The trade that brought in Adam Jones, Sherrill, Tillman, Mickolio and Tony Butler (had to look that guy up) was a big winner. I think most people would agree with that.
and sherrill turned into nugget bell and steve "dave's son" johnson
mickolio bought half of wrapper, and tony butler… who is tony butler?
you want Bedard back?
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by danielreese05 on Jun 16, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but I don’t think Jones has been any great shakes.
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he’s been worth Bedard by himself, the trade was a W.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
I like the trade. I don’t think it’s a “big winner” though.
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it’s because of Chris Tillman isn’t it…
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by danielreese05 on Jun 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What does this mean?
Mark Reynolds has historically been a high strike-out, high-power hitter. He brought one of those characteristics to the Orioles.
He’s certainly brought the power to the Orioles and if anything he’s cut down slightly on his Ks.
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Also
what “proven baseball analytics” do you have in mind, given that you mention that one sentence after using average, HR, and RBI to declare Vlad the most successful FA acquisition of the past off season?
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by O'sFan21 on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What's an RBI?
Didn’t that get banned?
Less big words and more exclamation marks
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
MacPhail (and Angelos) have stalled
Factual inaccuracies aside, the real issue is MacPhail and Angelos are in a self-defeating quest to just get 81 wins.
MacPhail came in and made some necessary trades, specifically Bedard and Tejada. He’s inherited a few guys and procured a few decent players via the draft. He also changed some presonnel in the minors. Now they are in a holding pattern.
Last off season was a let down, at least to me, as they clearly made just reaching 81 wins a priority. MacPhail turned into the same ineffective GM that we saw with Flanagan, Beattie, and Duquette in the sense that he figured a few aged free agents would get them to the .500 ball plateau. The hope this time was there was a better young pitching core that the washed up guys could compliment. It’s been a waste. At the same time he’s retreated from the international scene with some uninspiring quotes about it being too tricky to deal with the DR middle men.
Don’t discount Angelos’ role in all this. You have to believe that the pressure to get to .500 ball ASAP is coming from him. He may also be against international investing. We don’t know the details, but he is exerting some kind of pressure.
The net result is a franchise that looks like it is just meandering and reverting back to the pre-MacPhail days of relying on mediocre to bad free agents in a desperate attempt to just win 81 games. The odds are not good they’ll hit 81 wins this year. If MacPhail sits on his hands this year and especially if he replicates this past off season, then he’ll have become just as useless as the past GMs.
You guys are so mean.
Felix Pie is a ninja robot sent from the future to make everything adorable.
by Stacey on Jun 16, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh and by the way
Andy MacPhail trade Aubrey Huff to the Giants for Brett Jacobson, and then turned Jacobson and Jim Hoey into J.J. Hardy, the current best player on the team.
Felix Pie is a ninja robot sent from the future to make everything adorable.
Very good point
The man pulled off some serious moves to land JJ and Mark Reynolds. Reynolds has been what his stats have always been, and JJ’s been better. He also signed Koji to a team-friendly deal. Yes, I know it was as a starter, but the man’s been helpful. Not sure those three moves counter-at his horrible assessment of free agent bats, though.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
'the man has been helpful'
I don’t think anyone has denied that. But the O’s need a lot more than ‘helpful’ here and there with a few decent trades.
Ultimately my frustration is that MacPhail is not doing dribs and drabs of what he said he would, while reverting to pre-MacPhail practices.
Build up the minors. He talked about building organizational depth and young players who could move into the majors to absorb the inevitable injuries. He said this was crucial for producing a winning season.
Build up the pitching. This has always been job one and it has been pretty much the sole focus. There has been some progress here, but young pitching is always a crap shoot.
Build up international scouting/presence. Not much has happened here, and we have an announced retreat from the DR.
We were told this was all the stuff the Rays and Twins do and they’re the models to emulate. Of course this is no guaranteed path to success, but MacPhail reverted to buying middling free agents. We’ve seen this before and we know the outcome. If it continues this coming off season, we’ll have to reconsider just how helpful he is.
That Hardy is currently the best player on the team...
…is more of an indictment of MacPhail than it is praise.
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and an overlook of wieters
who at least deserves consideration. i’d throw in the doc, but his fielding continues to fluctuate and his flailing at bad pitches continues at a lowered rate.
I'd say that Wieters is our best player
But Hardy makes a decent case, with plus defense and a better bat.
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well I said currently
I just meant his number right now., which are very good.
Felix Pie is a ninja robot sent from the future to make everything adorable.
I agree
Less big words and more exclamation marks
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jun 16, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As the captain of the good ship Fire Andy MacPhail, I approve of this message
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I'd say there is an argument to be made
This fella just did a poor job of making it.
Felix Pie is a ninja robot sent from the future to make everything adorable.
Hey, I'm like a politician
As long as I get the votes, I don’t care so much why.
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i was kind of with you until this:
Vladimir Guerrero has somehow proven to be the best acquisition this year
JJ Hardy has been a significantly better acquisition than Vlad. Mark Reynolds has even been better and both of those guys are much younger.
I love it when people think they have the faintest clue about what it takes to be a GM.
Exactly which big FA’s has MacPhail missed on?
I don’t recall any big name hitters in or close to their prime who seriously considered Baltimore. And is it his fault that Roberts, Markakis and to a lesser extent Luke Scott are either injured or playing poorly? Maybe it is fair to critize him for resigning Roberts, particularly if you view it in isolation. But the team was expecting to have a core of Jones, Weiters, Markakis, Roberts, with either Scott or Reimold added to the mix. With those guys playing to expectations, getting decent performances out of just 2 of the 4 guys added last off-season would result in at least a competative team. Arguably Baltimore is getting this from 3 of the 4 guys. It is the core group that is not playing up to expectations.
The only “failed” moves I see are the Gonzales and Gregg signings. But even this begs the question – who would you have signed or plugged in as relievers?
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We're getting decent performances from 3/4 of our pickups?
Hardy? Yes. Reynolds? Yes, it’s decent. Lee and Vlad? Hell no. And there are plenty of options for the bullpen. Look at how the Padres or Rays manage their relievers.
Vlad hasn't been a failure, so I consider his performance to date as deent.
And since I posted this, D Lee is tracking to reach “decent”.
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What's your definition of failure? Or decent?
His OPS+ is 98. Our DH, who can’t play in the field at all, is a slightly below average hitter. He has 0.1 bWAR and 0.2 fWAR, so he’s barely been above replacement-level so far. I’d say he’s been far from decent.
Mark Reynolds
A proven idiot, and yet MacPhail swears by him.
I thought you were a White Sox fan.
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by DCO'sfan on Jun 18, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
explain thyself. please, defend this statement, I dare you.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 18, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He's shopping for bats at Wal-Mart over Bloomingdales.
Look, if Andy wants to buy the bats, he’s going to have to look for better quality bats. This season, we get Derrek Lee and Guerrero. Big problem: Those guys are well past their prime. Five years ago they would have been awesome. Mark Reynolds is a scrub. Felix Pie can’t run. If Andy MacPhail really wants to prove himself right, sign Prince Fielder next years when he’s a free agent. Actually GET Teixiera over here. Those are the REAL bats. He’s basically shopping at Wal-Mart over Sachs-Fifth Avenue.
The Orioles have money to spend, but refuse to. Meanwhile you have the Yankees in the division who spend enough money to feed the nation of Somalia.
I thought you were leaving?
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by O'sFan21 on Jun 18, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously what’s your deal with Reynolds’ bat? you do realize that outside of Hardy, he’s probably been the best bat all year, right? he also didn’t “buy” Pie, he gave up Garrett Olson who I’m not certain even made a major-league appearance with Chicago.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 18, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he didn't make an appearance with the Cubs
..because he was immediately dealt to the Mariners.
He did pitch for the Mariners, and poorly, before getting claimed off of waivers. Who knows where he is now.
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in any case, the point was Garret Olson blows. Pie in no world-beater, but I’d rather have him on the team than Olson. also; given Pie’s former top-prospect rating, I think it was certainly worth the risk of dealing for him at such a low price.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 18, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What's my problem with Reynolds?
Plain and simple, my friend, he sucks! Yes, he does have homers, but with a batting average of…wait for it…206! The guy has three consecutive 200+ strikeout seasons, and came into this team with a .198 average. It’s not like he came to Baltimore and all of a sudden got bad, he was bad. Also, he’s on par to having a 36 error season. The game against the Nats where DC scored 4 in the 5th was only one earned run. What happened? Dumbass Reynolds can’t make a throw and gave up three runs for Zack Brittion, an AL rookie who had an RBI double and was pitching quite well.
I’ll say it again, yes, Mark Reynolds has twelve homers. Even a blind cat finds the goldfish. All he does is swing the bad like he’s an eager kid playing rec league baseball, and he swings it so hard that it sometimes produces homers, as if they were accidents. Reynolds is a scrub and should be traded.
What's your problem with the reply button?
And why the fuck are you still here? And why are you paying attention to things like batting average and strikeouts that don’t fucking matter?
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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! Thanks for playing!
Reynolds has teh 4th-highest OBP on the team, ahead of Nicky and Matt Wieters. Who gives a fuck about batting average in the 21st century?
Oh, maybe Chicago fans.
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by zknower on Jun 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude. A word of advice:
Chill your damn tits. You’re wrong about pretty much everything.
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I love the line.
Not sure it if it sounds better or worse coming from a 16 year old.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt. As in, I think you carry it off.
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batting average and K’s. nice. were you not ripping MacPhail for being a 20th century GM not long ago?
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by danielreese05 on Jun 19, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe it was someone else, I didn’t check the threads. I think I was just hung up on how ironic that would be.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 20, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Andy MacPhail deserves to be fired because:
- he has not put in pace a long term strategy that an win. If he were more interested in this, he would be providing as much talented depth as possible. Instead of this, he has chosen the bandaid approach of signing craptastic relievers like his predecessors have done.
- he has not done enough abroad, and specifically in Latin America and East Asian countries.
- he has not explored, nevermind exploited, market inefficiencies.
If the goal was to some day get to 85 wins, I think MacPhail would be great.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Did you see the Fangraphs article about East Asia (specifically China) being the new market inefficiency?
It’s interesting. But I know as long as MacPhail is our GM we won’t be the team going there.
China? hm. Chien-Ming-Wang is from Taiwan right? could be a feasible pipeline. I’ve always liked the Japanese style of play though, I really hope the O’s get in on the Yu Darvish bid war whenever that starts.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 20, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The japanese posting system seems to be as close to the opposite of a market inefficiency as you can get
Factoring in the bid price, Daisuke is being paid like a top 15 player this season
I’m aware, but Darvish is looking like an ace in the making and should be, what, 26? when he becomes available.
style of play meaning the way the players actually play. many Japanese players that come to the U.S. are extremely technically sound in just about everything they do. they also stress hitting to the opposite field much more than we do.
I feel sorry for Daisuke, he was extremely overworked in terms of his IP as a high schooler and he’s paying for it now.
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by danielreese05 on Jun 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He very well could be an ace in the making
but when you’re talking about a 50M+ posting fee plus a market salary, i very much doubt its a worthwhile investment.
Tejada to Houston
for Scott, Albers, Sarfate, Troy Patton, and Mike Costanzo was another decent trade. After this trade, Tejada revealed that he was two years older than he had previously reported. I’d say most people percieved this as a better deal for the O’s than the Astros.
It’s true these multi-player deals yielded some mediocre guys and some lifetime minor leaguers but Andy had to start somewhere.
If I recall correctly, Patton was supposed to be the center-piece of that deal
and I believe I remember reading comments about how the team failed to do it’s due diligence regarding his shoulder injury; that we essentially bought damaged goods when we should have backed away from Patton and targeted another player.
But, in general, the Tejada trade was perfect timing for the O’s, because his name surfaced in the Mitchell Report very shortly thereafter.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 26, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything, the O's are in a worse shape
I’m under the impression that Andy MacPhail’s copies of Sports Illustrated are older than the ones in my dentist’s office. Yes, he spent the money of Derrek Lee and Vlad Guerrero, but if anything, those two are hindering the Orioles. They would be great 6 years ago in their prime, but now they’re just too old. Baseball players age, but not like fine wine. Lee and Vlad were given year long contracts, they’re just rentals to sit somewhere and get a paycheck before retirement.
What I’m saying is that we need a YOUNGER GM, who knows how to work the ropes of the greed-filled MLB organization. We need a GM who wants an immediate plan, because O’s fans are sick and tired of five year plans.

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