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BALTIMORE, MD - JULY 17: Fans cheer during the sixth inning of the Baltimore Orioles and Cleveland Indians game at Oriole Park at Camden Yards on July 17, 2011 in Baltimore, Maryland. The Orioles defeated the Indians 8-3.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

School of Roch: Another newcomer, left field and the Red Sox - MASN
"I'd be surprised if we have another bench-clearing incident - though the Red Sox might be a bit cranky after playing 16 innings last night - but Showalter is still seething over the punishments handed down by Major League Baseball. Closer Kevin Gregg is expected to begin serving a reduced suspension tonight, and Michael Gonzalez will follow once Gregg returns to the roster. Vladimir Guerrero is on the disabled list with a fractured wrist, which Showalter mentions every single day."

Kevin Cowherd: Orioles' anger at Red Sox hasn't cooled - baltimoresun.com
"As a general rule, baseball players tend to fight about as well as hockey players knit. That's why bench-clearing brawls are usually pretty dull affairs. There's a lot of cussing and grunting and groaning. There's a lot of pushing and shoving. Maybe you'll see a haymaker or two whistle harmlessly through the air, but that's pretty much the extent of the action. On the other hand, the Orioles are in such a death spiral right now that another melee with the Boston Red Sox, who come into Camden Yards on Monday for a three-game series, might actually be the high point of the season for O's fans."

5 reasons re-signing J.J. Hardy is a great move by the O's - Baltimore Sports Report
"Though nothing official has been announced, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports reports that Hardy’s deal is worth $22.25 million and that he has a no trade clause with eight teams per season. This news came as a breath of fresh air during what was a tough losing streak for the Orioles. Here’s five reasons why this deal was so important."

Hardy, Markakis, Johnson, Uehara - baltimoresun.com
"Several people have questioned why in the world would shortstop J.J. Hardy want to sign a contract extension with the Orioles when they are struggling so badly, and he likely would have several contenders bidding for his services after this season. Obviously, a three-year, $22.25 million contract extension is a nice comfort for a player with an extensive injury history. But the two other factors that immediately come to mind are loyalty and commitment."

Life After Andy MacPhail: Options Within the Organization - Camden Depot
"There are several candidates to take the reins of the day to day operations. There are internal options, experienced external options, and inexperienced external options. In a series of three posts, I will review some of those potential options. This first post will consider internal options."

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Read the Baseball Nation interview with the “Get a Brain, Morans” guy.

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Jul 18, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Article Link

My favorite quotes:
1. “The only thing I care about is wins, sorry nerds”
2. “True Cardinal” does not coast on his natural ability. In fact, I don’t want anyone with any kind of natural ability wearing the “birds on bats.”
3. “The only tool I care about is Tulowitzki” (I am sure Tulowitzki appreciates his support)

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also love the twitter response:
SBNation hit piece reaction: title sucked & heavily edited. I recall dropping the following bombs during interview: F, C, N, S, other F

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has a history of enabling your mom. Interview over!
That team had David Eckstein, Yadier Molina, So Taguchi, and Aaron Miles. That’s a Jew [sic], a Mexican [sic], a Chinaman [sic], and a regular American.

That quote is so full of win that I don’t know where to start.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Eckstein isn't even Jewish!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

All asians are the same!

/moran’d

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a French name!

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants to sue the photographer!!

lol. if you don’t want pictures of yourself acting like a dumbass, don’t go outside and act like a dumbass.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So we're all clear

that article is definitely fake, right?

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to believe it's not.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think so

cause that twitter account is old and then I realized that twitter account is probably not real because if he hates that picture why would he use it as his picture and then I realized that I’m trying way too hard at the internet and then I went to go play outside.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The chicken bowl demand sealed it as fake for me

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's still real to me, dammit!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfan5MacmsI

There’s other things that make me think it’s fake, too. Like the pixels.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first reaction is that it’s some form of performance art. But in thinking about it more, it’s probably legit. He’s just that dumb. I like how he says he’s in the process of suing the photographer but he doesn’t have a lawyer.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't have been the first time.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

never seen them write a piece intended as fiction

but the moran guy already confirmed it was him being interviewed on twitter so it’s either moran guy yanking our chain or he’s being serious.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

or its a fake twitter account

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like you, I assumed a fake twitter account.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 18, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

a fake twitter account that they set up a year ago…..

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh, i posted the link to jonah keri's chat

and he reposted it. i meant to write in real or fake as a question, but i hit send before i had a chance.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah i see, that’s not quite the same, but i see your point.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything the guy has written for SBNation is a comedy piece

From that, to two lists of the “Ugliest MLB Licensed Hats”, to a jokey send-up of clutchiness, to every one of his Commentary Posts. Plus his bio says he authored “Use Your Beard as a Blanket and 100 Other Y2K Survival Tips”.

So, yeah. He’s not a journalist who goes around interviewing people.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright

If you believe that the interview is genuine, I’ll cease trying to dissuade you of that notion.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

judging from the twitter feed

i genuinely believe that randy sullivan is an idiot.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

everything said in the article is pretty consistent with his twitter feed.

Gritty? check. White? check. Lots of singles? check. What a coo to get The Riot infront of the BEST FANS!!!
"Three things I love on this earth: Busch, Bush, and bush."

so i don’t think it’s likely that brannon set up a fake twitter account at least a year ago and created a persona for this guy in order to make his fake interview him more authentic. i think it’s more likely that brannon saw that mr. moran guy wasn’t a sharp guy and decided to have some fun borat style.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just chalk it up to Brannon interviewing the holder of a fake twitter account

Like if he decided to interview the guy behind UnPeterAngelos.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, could be a fake in that sense. not sure… there are way too many mundane tweets like “Just got home to see my beloved redbirds won another victory!” so first thought it was it’s a twitter feed from a dumb guy. there’s enough comedic material for it to be a good satire fake account. but i guess it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a fake.

when the UCLA, Ching Chong incident happened, i swore that was a fake because no one was THAT stupid. as it turns out, the student was that stupid so ever since then i’ve sworn that i wouldn’t say no is that stupid.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The list of internal GM candidates in the Depot article made me sad(der)

Although I had no idea the Klentak kid existed. He was the only intriguing one of the bunch. No mention of whether he measures success by RBIs and Ks.

by Nafer on Jul 18, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

nothing in his bio said anything about knowledge of building a team

all it talked about was that he is good at contract negotiations and working the 40 man rosters. Umm…I have yet to hear anyone say “wow the orioles sure manage their 40 man roster very well”. That said, getting to where he is by the age of 30 is certainly impressive.

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you, I just felt like the other options were cans of fail we already opened and have become stale.

To be fair, the orioles have not had 40 players in need of managing at the same time during his stint. And the realization is that he’s only intriguing because I’m not aware of any egregious errors on his part that have been made public brings me back to my initial point of being sad.

by Nafer on Jul 18, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is young, I will give him that compared to the others

he can hopefully bring a fresh perspective that the old timers can’t. If Cal wants to become our GM i’d like to see him in some other role in the organization first to see how he does. Like director of player development.

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

as much as I love Cal

you don’t just throw him into the GMship of an MLB team without having worked in an MLB front office at all.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

COMPLETELY different goal as a business

The IronBirds are to develop what the Orioles give them, and sell tickets to games. The player salaries are not paid by the IronBirds. Their job is to sell tickets.

The Orioles, theoretically, are in business to sell tickets AND win baseball games.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Honestly, I don’t get the “Cal would save our franchise!” mentality that everyone seems to push all the time. Whether it’s as an owner, GM, manager, or whatever. Nothing about Cal Ripken Jr. makes me think “Man, that guy will push for advanced scouting and analysis, hire smart baseball minds, and turn the Orioles into a cutting edge franchise like the early 00 As or the current Rays.”

Get him involved in player development? Sure. I’d love that. But beyond that, I don’t see how he’s the savior everyone seems to think he is.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I love Cal, but have we seen evidence that he can do the job? His Ripken Baseball ventures (including the Ironbirds) seem to be very successful and he obviously learned the fundamentals of the game from a great teacher, but it doesn’t seem like he’s had any player development or scouting type roles.

The article makes a good point that he’s risky. Who wants to be the one who fires Cal?

That said, I don’t mean that he couldn’t do the job and maybe do it very well. I just wish he’d had some role in a front office (specifically ours, if only because I’d hate so see Cal at another franchise) previously. (Even though that might scar him for life.)

by BrianS on Jul 18, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

also,

I bet Cal would be as ‘20th century’ as they come.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The GM churn makes me sad

I figure there is a lot of merit to the macPhail rumor if it is leaking through the Sun reporters. This seems like a topic MacPhail would be extremely tight lipped about if he didn’t want anything to be known.

Over the weekend, the papers mentioned Hart as a possible Showalter pick. I guess it depends on how much influence Buck has. I can’t believe that neither he nor MacPhail know of some changes that are desperately needed. The guy at the top needs to allow it. If he picks some strong willed GM and allows a drastic change, I’ll be surprised. MacPhail quickly reverted into the ‘pre-MacPhail’ GM mold.

by drj on Jul 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the very least, I expect Showalter to be highly involved in the selection of the next General Manager. It also would not surprise me if he pulls a Dick Cheney and recommends himself.

So awesome and so true.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Streak! Streak! We kick ass now, right boss?

You’re entirely welcome, of course, for yesterday’s Guaranteed Win. Piece o’ cake. Do it whenever I want.

Except for the damn U.S. women, of course. What I sensed in the 1st half came just too effing true in the 2nd+shoot-out: the classic underdog-hanging-around, hanging around, hanging around scenario. How you think a 41-pt dog (I’m on record saying it shoulda been “more like 50”) beats USC in the frickin’ Coliseum 24-23 in ’07 — the players suddenly got better?

[Also, another fine illustration of The Great Soccer Anomaly in shoot-out kick #2: how do top-flight players miss the side of a barn-equivalent from point blank range w/ no one hindering the effort? Happens all the time. My, ahem, v. limited soccer experience (college intramurals) gives me nothing to judge by. Anyway, base-line lesson: control of the scoring object in soccer is insufficient — less even than hockey — to make the game long-term interesting…for peeps like me, anyway. I can watch it, and enjoy it, at intervals, but…

Not even changing the aggressively stupid, shoot-self-in-foot off-side rule, the alteration/elimination of which would improve the sport’s watchability immediately and dramatically, can entirely counterbalance that fundamental drawback…which, of course, most of the world doesn’t see as a drawback. Because foreigners are stoopid. Hey, they’re foreigners.]

OK, 2-nite the good news is Tim Wakefield sucks. C’mon, he does. He’s 52 yrs old and throws 59 mph pitches. His fastball could drive through a Moscow neighborhood School Zone w/o fear of arrest. Your dog Sparky could outrun his change-up to the plate. If he had a change-up.

The bad news is, we’re countering with, gulp, Bergurglarson [sp.?], whose career in the bigs will never come close to Wakefield’s 37 yrs. “Sucks” is not what he’s been doing lately. More like “vacuums”. When your streak is riding on this fella…you, uh, lower your bets.

But hey, “Optimism” is part of the Titov family shield’s logo. OK, preceded by “Idiot”, but still.

Go O’s!

Welcome to the Suck: Narrating the Oriole Fan's Experience 1998-2011

by Titov on Jul 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

titov, who ya got in pac-12 title game?

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, first: Orygun-Snodfart, Palo Alto Nov. 12: Game o' the Year, in-conf for sure and possibly nat'l. Winner could take all.

Want a line right now? Welp, somebody gives it to ya, take LSJU by 2. Westie may have different ideas. Your results may vary.

Welcome to the Suck: Narrating the Oriole Fan's Experience 1998-2011

by Titov on Jul 18, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, the Stan-UO game is going to be insane, that could be game of the year.

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

what would make it even better

if gus johnson is calling it.

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

As in

“Oh my goodness!”, “Rise and fire… Count it!”, “From the parking lot!”, “And the Runner….Bang”,“Pure!”, “BAM!”, “Cold-Blooded!”, and “HA-HAAA”.

An acquired taste, p’haps…

Welcome to the Suck: Narrating the Oriole Fan's Experience 1998-2011

by Titov on Jul 18, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, remember that US Baseball Terms for Russians column I did? (Anyone, anyone-- Bueller?) OK, here's one I missed...

From today’s NY Times, the house conservative columnist (Ross Douthat): “The Republican Retreat”
 
“The result was a hanging curveball for President Obama, who spent last week posing as the Last Reasonable Man in Washington, contrasting his willingness to compromise on entitlements with the House Republicans’ intransigence on taxes.”

Welcome to the Suck: Narrating the Oriole Fan's Experience 1998-2011

by Titov on Jul 18, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Girls??? Sports???

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Check out Alex Morgan and get back to me.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm tired of hearing about Hardy

as a “bridge to Machado”. This lazy instance of groupthink is bordering on the inane. What does “a bridge to Machago” even mean?

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

well, I guess if Machado doesn't pan out exactly then Hardy is, too!

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Therein lies the problem

We were told we’d grow the arms, and apparently, Arrieta, Matusz, Tillman and Britton were the only crops we planted. Well, Arrieta’s not producing the bushels per acre we anticipated, Matusz and Tillman had their growth stunted by ill-timed droughts and Britton is next year’s crop put in too early.

So NOW what do we do?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd believe it means someone who can play well enough so there's no need rush him up

because the shortstop sucks.

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's just so much wrong with that

especially when you’re parading it around as one of the key points in favor of the extension.

And don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate the extension. I’m kind of ambivalent about it. But the argument for it seems preposterously weak.

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think I understand what you are getting at

but could you elaborate some more on it?

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

its just a stupid thing to say

and EVERYONE is saying it. For one thing, Hardy is not and never has been the only option to play at shortstop until Manny Machado gets to Baltimore. For another, it once again puts the impetus on a young player to pan out. That’s the Orioles, I guess, always putting all their eggs into Plan A. First it was the pitchers, now it’s Machado. It’s an annoying thing to say.

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meeeee

not really. Do plan to write on my school newspaper though.

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha! I'm the bridge-equivalent of Brandon Fahey

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, I was Jeff Reboulet

Damn, this is getting more depressing by the minute…

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey man,

Jeff Reboulet.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

ohmigod

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

manningface thread!

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Jul 18, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moar PLZ!

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

He’s not exactly killing it in high-A so I’m not even convinced yet with what he’s going to be. I suppose Schoop is there as well, but same kind of results so far.

by tjk on Jul 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

For one thing, Hardy is not and never has been the only option to play at shortstop until Manny Machado gets to Baltimore.

Sure, he’s one option. Are you saying that you prefer that peoples say he’s A bridge to Manny rather THE bridge to Manny?

For another, it once again puts the impetus on a young player to pan out.

Well, you’ve gotta to plan that he going to work right? That doesn’t mean you should pursue back up plan but I don’t see what’s wrong with forecasting a good future until evidence suggests otherwise.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...its better than having nobody there for the next 3 years.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The signing has been growing on me

I have really enjoyed hardy this season and I still think that even though he gave us a loyalty discount we still bought high on a guy who has been injured and not done much since he was with the Brewers.

I am nervous about his injury history but his defense is top-notch and his hitting is 800 times better than Itzuris. When I hear “bridge” to Machado I don’t think that is his only value but that – if we didn’t have him then for the next three years we would have a gaping hole at shortstop. Once machado comes up, if performing as expected then Hardy will have to move positions.

In terms of planning I dont see a problem with the phrase “a bridge to machado” it is a little over used but from the planning perspective that is exactly what this signing is.

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then the planning sucks

Remember when AJ was our center fielder for the next decade? Nick Markakis would be a multi-time All-Star? Brian Roberts made sure second base was the one IF spot we didn’t need a plan for? How’d that all work out?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha I am not arguing it is a good or bad plan

I was just saying that if the plan is for machado to be ready to go in three years time then I have nothing wrong with the label of Hardy as a bridge.

I am choosing to enjoy the signing because it does improve the position for however long he produces for us but from a plannig perspective I would much rather a bunch of talented young prospects filling our minor leagues.

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Hardy extension is a good one

its certainly not as expensive as I would have guessed, and he’s a quality player. But it will all be wasted if the Orioles don’t find some serious star-power within 24 months at positions such as: third base, first base, left field, second base, and/or starting pitcher.

And my only question – which hasn’t been answered either way – is where is that star power going to come from?

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That question is a good one

we haven’t planted any seed for (3b, 1b, lf, 2b) and our crop has wilted at pitcher. Hopefully we can salvage the pitching crop. the rest I dunno about because we were supposed to buy those but instead we invested in dinosaurs.

by Benhem612 on Jul 18, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aramis Ramirez, Nick Johnson, Johnny Damon, Luis Castillo, Brandon Webb and Chien Ming Wang.

star power! problem?

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Jul 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Falling star power.

As in the kind that careens through the atmosphere and kills you horribly in a stroke of one-in-a-billion bad luck.

Except in our case it’s not bad luck but entirely predictable poor decisionmaking.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 18, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what "a bridge to Machago" means...

Google doesn’t really have any suggestions either except to offer that I might actually be searching for a kind of cheese called Manchengo?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

mmm....manchengo

Sounds exotic.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

bridge to machago...

y’know, starred obi wan kenobi as a stiff upper lip british POW in a japanese internment camp?

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks pretty awesome from the google images

but I have no clue whether I’ve had it before.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

manchego...

and drunken goat cheese are tapas bar stalwarts. and both delicious.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha...

it’s delicious.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep reading this as Michelangelo

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You made a funny! Hahahahaha...

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have always liked the cheeses at tapas

never paid attention to what they were though

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

for future ref...

these two are fairly distinctive by their rinds: manchego has a tetxured, black rind and drunken goat has a purple rind due to its being dropped in red wine before aging.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

So there's no drunken goat involved?

Damn, that’s disappointing to find out.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

you always could have joined a frat.

"If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause."

- George Clinton

by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything and nothing good

Man its kinda like tapas!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what it means, but I sure hope it's not a bridge too far.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 18, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where should I go for the view from my seat thing?

Post it here or something else?

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

e-mail the pic to stacey, maybe?

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

will do

Seriously, in fact I worry that BSF will become the worst on this blog in terms of language. - Westie

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 18, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as the seat in question is, y'know, a wooden/plastic chair or sth...

Come to think of it, I wish I’d taken a pic from the mezzanine-box-VIP-supercool-restaurant-service, etc., seat I had that one time (a corporate promotion thing I lucked into). Something to remember the Good Life by…

Welcome to the Suck: Narrating the Oriole Fan's Experience 1998-2011

by Titov on Jul 18, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it's been posted, but....

The Twitter 100 from SI. With a convenient “follow” button with each entry to quickly follow accounts if you’re logged into Twitter.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

You're really making me consider setting up a Twitter acount

not so I can tweet, but to see what some other people are saying. But I absolutely draw the line at Facebook. No way!

by DJAY on Jul 18, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like putting Koji's tweets in a translator

and then trying to figure out what he was actually trying to say.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is actually a twitter account Koji Translated

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

http://twitter.com/KojiTranslated

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

ooh good stuff

not nearly as fun though.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like how a lot of them have this thing

\(^o^)/

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Jul 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this one
Everyone, “Communication sideburns,” Thank you for watching. So I’ll keep trying, thank you again next month \(^o^)/

So that’s what they are.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just retweet what other people post

Or ask questions to someone else. But it’s a great way to follow a sport.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Note to O's

If you are inclined to raise a rukus with a team, it would spare you some subsequent embarrassment if you could back it up. The Rays kicked a little proverbial sand in the Red Sox faces a few spring trainings ago, but they were actually in a position to back it up with wins. I don’t think the umpires are inclined to help you out until you show the ability to compete. It’s sort of like the established pitcher getting the wider strike zone, if only because umpires are actually biased.

I expect Buck to holler a little in the press, to non avail, but the game will be quiet.

by drj on Jul 18, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Since just about all of our pitchers in the majors and AAA are an equivalent amount of terrible.

I say we just keep plunking them over and over again and not worry about ejections. I’d pay tremendous amounts of money to see Pedroia get plunked 4 times in one game.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Breaking Bad?

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

ok so I won't talk about it

We did a Friday Night Lights series finale/Breaking Bad season premiere double feature yesterday. It was two good hours of TV.

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

ooof...

crazy!

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was good

felt like denounment more than anything, though.

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watched all of Community season 2 in one setting

That was my Saturday; sad I know. Alison Brie in the paintball two-parter would have won the Hottie Invitational. holy sheeeeeeeee-it.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m angry I didn’t select her. I love Alison Brie, but somehow she slipped my mind when thinking picking her age bracket. Not that Zooey Deschanel or Anne Hathaway were slouches.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, you actually find an attractive woman attractive. Stop the presses!

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Jul 18, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do believe both of the finals contestants got my votes the entire way

In fact, I think all of the final 4 got my votes the entire way. Most of the Elite 8 did, as did the majority of the sweet 16. And except for 1 pick that everyone mocked, none of my picks were laughers.

by Holymittens on Jul 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, John Thompson.....

Coach Thompson, asking Bruce Allen about FedEx Field renovations:

Bruce, what exactly were your guys’ intentions, and what exactly did you do to get done what you’re gonna do?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Off-Topic but....

OMG CM PUNK IS AMAZING!!!!!!

When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME

by The Josh on Jul 18, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I have not been a regular fan in quite some time

but I heard his effort at the PPV is actually worth a replay purchase

by Nafer on Jul 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'v e never bought a PPV

and last night was AMAZING. I’ve watched maybe 6 WWE TV shows in the past 3 years, but I watched a lot as a kid then again during the Monday Night Wars. Last night was easily the best combination of booking and execution I’ve ever seen.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 18, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was fantastic, I can't believe it was as good as it was, mind was blown.

Raw tonight should be EPIC!

When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME

by The Josh on Jul 18, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's partly due to the fact that Punk doesn't give a shit what he does or says now

Colt Cabana seems to thikn he’s just fed up with WWE and wants to go out the door anyway.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rumors!

Jon Paul Morosi is saying the Tigers are interested in Guthrie, and MLBTR speculates the Orioles were looking at Andy Oliver and Charlie Furbush in Toledo.

Remember, the greatest intangible of all is love. Number two is grit.

by Andrew_G on Jul 18, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I just read this.

I love the idea of trading Guthrie for some quality pitching prospects. I would not mind trading him for a legitamate 1st Base prospect either.
Running Guthrie out of town isn’t the best option, but I like it as the best of some bad options.

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jul 18, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Statistically speaking...

“Furbush” is a funnier name than “Guthrie”

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just put it on the front page

http://www.camdenchat.com/2011/7/18/2281230/rumor-tigers-have-interested-in-jeremy-guthrie

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUODs right on top of it.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2011/7/18/2281033/birds-up-os-down-for-july-11-17

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know anything about either guy, anyone have any info?

Other than that Oliver is the Tigers #2 Pitching Prospect and both are in AAA.

When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME

by The Josh on Jul 18, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Sickels, preseason:
3) Andy Oliver, LHP, Grade B: A personal favorite despite the issues with his breaking ball and poor handling by the Tigers last summer.
17) Charlie Furbush, LHP, Grade C: Very polished lefty with mediocre stuff, could be a fifth starter, got killed in Triple-A.

Furbush has been the better of the two this year, with a 3.17 ERA and .944 WHIP, Oliver’s been presumably disappointing at 4.63 and 1.52.

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

K/9 and BB/9 are similiarly better for Furbush

Furbush: 10.2 K/9, 2.7 BB/9
Oliver: 8.4 K/9 4.7 BB/9

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's already been poorly handled?

The transition to O’s should be quite easy then… but for real thanks for the info!

When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME

by The Josh on Jul 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do I see these guys as being another worthless return for one of our few trade chips?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the way Guthrie's sucked recently

two B- ish prospects in return might not be a bad deal

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guthrie is way better than that.

But still…two guys who will likely suck more? Do two crummy prospects make one whole decent prospect?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'm on board

but I’m not sure we’d get a significantly better offer. And Furbush does some interesting, he seems to have really outperformed his rating this year.

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't much care for "mediocre stuff"

Outperforming AAA talent doesn’t mean much to me either. Chris Tillman threw a no-hitter there once.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of return are you expecting on a pitcher that had a ERA greater than 4.4 over the last 3 years

and has only struck out 6/9IP once in the 5 years he’s been with us? I’m not saying we can’t get a good return for Guthrie, but we aren’t getting a top 50 prospect for him.

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like we have overvalued Guts to an extent..

If we can get an organizations top pitching prospect and another good arm I feel like I can support it.

When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME

by The Josh on Jul 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has been my argument against trading him all along.

What’s the point if you’re just dumping him for organizational fillers.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats underestimating them

They’d both by top 10 guys in our system right now, which is admittedly thin. But we don’t have the players right now to get stud prospects in return.

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I definitely see the point, but we have so little in the farm system that if we could get two solid prospects for him I think we’ve got to do it.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

since when is a C prospect with an outside shot at being a 5th starter "solid"

??

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he's put up numbers so far this year

that exceed what would be expected from a C prospect at AAA. my guess is he’d be bumped up to a B-

by kba26 on Jul 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was assuming what kba26 says below

And regardless – we barely have any C prospects in the system as it is. As has been pointed out, both of these guys would immediately be on our top 10 prospect lists.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think we have to be honest with ourselves about what Guts is

He’s a slightly above average pitcher on the wrong side of 30 with great stuff but doesn’t get any K and gives up a lot of HRs. If we can get 2 B prospects for him I think we do it in a second.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jul 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh fuck it, is Oil Can Boyd still alive?

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

I understand trading out good players for one or two guys who will likely be good players. I understand trading our good players for multiple guys who are longer shots to be good players. I don’t understand trading our good players for one or two long shots, just to say we’re trying.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do too.

"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts

by Steve. on Jul 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unrelated to anything

I built a playoff odds predictor model at the beginning of the season when we were 6-1 (yeah) and our playoff odds were around 30% (I was pretty liberal with the “true talent” likely win percentage). Now it says 0.08% and that’s assuming our true talent level is a .500 team.

Bummer.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

i was thinking the same

but i’ve seen them post columns even before the official announcement.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's official now, per Zrebiec
Hardy passes physical, making extension official with #orioles – 3 years at 22.25 mill. Includes 8 team no trade.

http://twitter.com/jeffzrebiecsun/status/93028434883788800

It goes with the hot dog, it goes with nachos, it goes with peanuts. Beer’s perfect. Beer never got mad at me because I didn’t call beer back. - JT

by Stacey on Jul 18, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh....Pie in LF again.

Hardy SS
Markakis RF
Jones CF
Wieters C
Lee 1B
Reynolds 3B
Reimold DH
Pie LF
Andino 2B

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.

It’s slowly getting right. Now just gotta move Reynolds and possibly Reimold ahead of Lee

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jul 18, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gregg and Ortiz will sit out this series.

Markakis is the AL player of the week and Matusz the International League player of the week.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

sneak into his hotel room...

and shave off his stupid beard.

…then go to pedroia’s and give him the private pyle treatment.

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jonah Keri on Hardy Trade
Comment From Oriole Bird: I’m a little surprised that Hardy didn’t test the offseason free-agent waters. He took 3 years / $22+ million from the O’s. Thoughts?

Jonah Keri: Good deal for both sides. Hardy isn’t young and has fought injuries in the past, would be pretty cavalier to spit on $22M, considering he and his descendants would then be set for life.

so there’s that.

Folksy literate type.

by birdman on Jul 18, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Alfredo Sauce to the restricted list

Josh Bell and Mark Worrell recalled from AAA

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jul 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Am I putting the e in egnurnt if I ask who is Mark Worrell?

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubt it

just filler filling in. spent the last 4 years in AAA. has some closer experience.

by Philly O's on Jul 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, hey klentak...

the o’s really don’t have an interest in zach phillips or adam russell?

i mean, i understand rupe and rapada make for better stories, but, dude…

"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"

by j.q. higgins on Jul 18, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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