Let's try to get Mark Cuban to buy this team
by miskatonic86 on Jul 30, 2011 9:27 PM EDT
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We've had it with Mr. Angelos. It's only a matter of time before the entire city is waiting to celebrate the day he finally kicks the bucket. Mark Cuban has been pondering about buying an MLB team for a few years. He was rumored to be a potential candidate for the purchase of the Los Angeles Dodgers. I think he needs to buy the Orioles, and rid us of the Angelos plague that has crippled this once proud franchise for the past 14 years.
Peter Angelos is a bitter old man who obviously has not received the memo that baseball is changing, and so should he. When the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals, Pete bought the MASN network to control both teams' media. In addition to controlling the Orioles media like how Kim Jong-Il controls the North Korean media, he makes a $40-$70 million annual profit which does NOT go towards the Orioles payroll. Not only that, but because the team is losing money, it's a tax write-off. It's this type of greed that's been killing this team. It's Angelos' apathy that is driving fans and free agents away. We want an owner who is a proven winner and can show fan appreciation. This goes to you Mark Cuban.
Look, the Dodgers' debt is in the nine digit range. Even with all his money, it will still take Cuban a very long time to fix the debt and bring a wining team to Tinseltown. Help us Mr. Cuban. Help this team and this city out. You have the money and the credentials we need.
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right, which is why he tried to buy both the cubs and the rangers
i think it’s baseball that has no interest in cuban
r-r-r-rec’d.
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by danielreese05 on Jul 31, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Paraphrasing the Godfather
We’re hoping Cuban “will make an offer he can’t refuse.”
by miskatonic86 on Jul 30, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Social networking is dominating everything!
Mark Cuban is aware that facebook and twitter exists. Peter Angelos is still stuck in the days of candlestick telephones. What I’m hoping to do is use social networking to really make a statement.
by miskatonic86 on Aug 5, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me spell it out for you directly
Peter Angelos is not selling the O’s.
Mark Cuban is not coming along as a White Knight to ‘make an offer Petey can’t refuse’. What the fuck, exactly, do you think Cuban can do? Go to Petey and say, “Mr. Angelos, you are going to sell me the O’s….or else!” Or else, what? (That’s a rhetorical question. I don’t want some kooky-ass, naive, pie-in-the-sky response.)
There is nothing that you are going to do with some Facebook group or twitter stream that is going to change the facts of the situation.
So get the fuck off it already.
Wishing Frank McCourt had been approved to buy the RedSux.....
Well...
I understand that I have a better chance of Insane Clown Posse explaining to me how magnets really work than I do of seeing Mark Cuban buying the team. I just want Angelos’ fugly ass to go away and never set foot in the Orioles again. I’m not classless enough to go out and say that Peter should just kick the bucket already and good riddance. However I must say, Peter obviously loves money as much as Charlie Sheen loves sex with porn stars, and Cuban could offer a lot of cash.
I’m just saying, it would be nice….no need to get defensive.
by miskatonic86 on Aug 8, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, i have to break out this old meme...
In summary:
1. Cuban (or Ripken, or Biscotti) buys team
2. ?
3. Success!!
by brek on Jul 31, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What is this..
I dont even…
Look, of all the things that you can blame on Angelos I dont think the current state of the franchise can be laid at his feet. That falls on McPhail, Jordan and the scouting along with the trainers and medical personnel in the organization
by ADLC on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hey now,
logic takes a backseat when righteous indignation, the Emperor, and the Orioles are involved.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by organizedchaos52 on Jul 31, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are calling PA the Emperor...
I do say, he does look a lot like the Imperial Emperor from Star Wars.
by miskatonic86 on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Who
Hired those execs or hired the person who hired them
Refuses to shell out money for good free agents.
Undermines the power of every GM by doing things like talking to Buck Showalter more than the GM and not extending him so he is essentially a lame duck
Siphons money of MASN while his team is in debt because over a decade of losing has driven fans away
Forced out the only Manager with a winning record in his tenure as owner
?
WHO?
He doesn't refuse to shell out money for good free agents. That's such a tired, baseless argument.
And he hasn’t undermined the power of MacPhail. He shouldn’t extend MacPhail because MacPhail blows.
Okay
He forces the GM to sign splashy, way past their prime free agents like in 2005.
Also, a GM with one year left that you meet with less than your manager is going to be a lame duck, and therefore his deadline deals will not be geared towards prospects and will instead be geared toward immediate impact. Who knows if that did play a major impact with MacPhail this year but I know we definitely didn’t get prospects and only saved salary.
I just don’t understand how he can be defended. We were a glorious franchise before he bought the team, and since his ownership we have been god awful nearly every year, and are now in debt. If MacPhail does blow like you say, then it is still Angelos’ fault for hiring him.
see, the problem is
we weren’t a glorious franchise when Angelos bought the team. The “glorious” days of our franchise were long gone before PGA stepped in.
Took over in 1993
Winning season in 93-94, Losing in 95 , then 2 losses in the ALCS. Davey Johnson’s first and only two years as manager were those ALCS years, and Angelos promptly forced him out.
The only chance we’ve had of being good was spoiled because Angelos got in a fight with the guy that delivered it to us. You just simply can’t argue with 15 losing seasons in his eighteen years as owner. The only constant throughout that entire time has been Angelos. Those 3 winning years were in the very beginning too, and mostly with players that Angelos had not obtained.
I’m stunned that people are defending him on here. Of course the blame for all of this losing should be heaped on him because, like I said before, he’s the only constant throughout all of this losing.
Davey Johnson was not our only chance of being good.
Managers make a difference of a few wins each season. Johnson couldn’t have done anything about the fact that our farm system has been in the shitter since the 80s. The problem with Angelos was that he was too hands-on, as he was back then, but that’s not true anymore. He also hired the wrong people, and it appears he did that, too, with MacPhail, but if he can recognize that and hire a good GM, that won’t be a problem.
Davey Johnson
Is 2 for 2 in taking the Baltimore Orioles in the ALCS. He’s batting 1.000. There is no other GM to have done that for us in over 20 years. He should not have been relieved of duty.
Davey Johnson is not and was not a GM.
He was a manager. And I don’t think that Angelos should have let him go, but that’s irrelevant to today.
Were you around in 1988?
That was a historically awful year. It’s still in the record books, in fact. Before Angelos took over, the team had finished in 4th place or worse 7 out of 10 years. The minors had long since been depleted/ignored, a tradition he sadly kept up – but one you can’t blame him for.
“Those 3 winning years were in the very beginning too, and mostly with players that Angelos had not obtained.”
Palmeiro, Alomar, Surhoff, Bonilla, Bordick, Erickson, Myers, Brown were all added after he bought the team.
Fair enough
I was wrong on that, I got a little bit ahead of myself. But it still doesn’t change the failure of the team under his reign, and the removal of the Manager during the two best years.
Before you say it, I know Davey Johnson has an attitude, but still.
I’m a college student so I don’t remember ‘88 obviously, so my statistics there are based on reading, not witnessing. From the early 90s on though, I’ve seen what Angelos has done to the team firsthand, and he is clearly in the bottom three owners in the Major leagues.
He's not the one forcing MacPhail to sign old free agents.
MacPhail is under the impression that he should get old stopgaps. Angelos just gives him the money to spend, and with a payroll over 90 million, he’s not being stingy.
I was mainly talking about
The previous GMs, not Angelos. And if Angelos was willing to make the team better he would be like the Nationals and overpay a free agent or two so that we can have some hope of competing.
Remember local native Mark Teixeria? He’s a free agent we might have actually had a shot at getting him, but the Orioles offer, in his words was, “Not Serious.” It was a much weaker offer than any of the real offers. Angelos does not want to spend actual money on quality free agents, and at this point we will have to really overpay to get one to come here, which he will not do. He has created a vicious circle.
You're confusing what GMs do and what owners do.
Angelos is willing to spend. Are people really forgetting that the Orioles were one of the most expensive disasters in baseball in the late 90s and early 2000s? Even now, we don’t exactly have a low payroll. He might have some role in who to spend money on and how much, but it’s ultimately the GM’s job and it’s been known that Angelos has been hands-off since hiring MacPhail. It’s not Angelos’s fault that MacPhail doesn’t go after those guys. MacPhail is the one who didn’t go after Teixeira, not Angelos. Besides, you really want to do what the Nationals do? “Hey, let’s overpay for a decent player on the wrong side of 30 even though our farm system is kind of shitty outside of one uber-prospect!”
You don't think
MacPhail wanted to spend on Teixiera? If Angelos was willing to spend then MacPhail would spend. And You keep defending Angelos but you’re ignoring the fact that the only thing that has remained the same throughout all of this losing is ANGELOS. So something in that should tell you he is doing something wrong.
And no, I know exactly what owners and GMs do, and I’m saying that Angelos interferes with the GM and then prevents him from making the right decisions. Tejada was not washed up, but Sosa and Palmeiro were both washed up acquisitions that really seemed to be more about making a splash than winning.
But you’re ignoring the fact that EVEN if something is MacPhail’s fault, it is therefore ANGELOS’ fault because he hired him. Again, Angelos has always been the constant in the Orioles failure. He has been named the worst owner in baseball by SI too, for what that’s worth. The fact of the matter is that if Angelos would spend big bucks to land a few free agents, MacPhail would do it.
I don't think MacPhail wanted to spend more on Teixiera at all
MacPhail has always taken a very conservative approach to his job, and not being willing to pay for huge contracts fits right in line with that strategy.
But the very notion that Angelos doesn't spend on free agents is fucking ridiculous.
He does. For fuck’s sake, he’s more than willing to spend money on free agents.
I'm saying
Spend BIG on GOOD, SMART free agents. That was the initial post.
You can tell the free agents or trades Angelos pushed for, because those were the ‘big name’ deals, not the smart ones. Again Sosa and Palmeiro.
But I don’t want to get into a huge argument with a fellow Orioles fan, I just don’t think you can argue with the pattern of the team’s failure under Angelos.
MacPhail
Was universally regarded as the best man for the job. And the biggest critique of Angelos is that he 1)didnt let his GM make the decisions and 2)fired them too quickly.
Angelos has hired (and fired) a lot of very good people, and has given the current regime far more time then they would have gotten from other owners precisely because of his history.
And there was no question that the Orioles would have signed Teixiera if the price was right, but giving 8 years and 1/4 of the teams budget to a 30 year old doesnt make sense for a mid market team. Especially when the young pitching was a couple years away from being ready.
you are incredibly opinionated, but wrong on this one. Angelos is not the root of the problem right now. Its Jordan and MacPhail
Who
controls the British crown
keeps the metric system down
leaves Atlantis off the maps
keeps the Martians under wraps
holds back the electric car
makes Steve Gutenberg a star
robs cavefish of their sight
rigs every Oscar night
?
WHO?
Hahaha
Well done.
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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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