Red Sox 10, Orioles 3: If they can't win, I'll take a brawl
by Stacey on Jul 8, 2011 11:52 PM EDT
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The Orioles played another miserable game tonight as Zach Britton gave up eight runs in the first inning to put the Orioles in a hole from which they could not climb out. Such as the case in the last several games, the Orioles were up against one of the better teams in baseball and they couldn't pitch, hit, or play defense (the suck even seems to have affected J.J. Hardy in the field, which is just a crying shame).
This game was basically a replay of the last four, so just read those recaps if you're interested, because tonight something interesting happened in the Orioles game as Kevin Gregg stood up for teams everywhere that have been pushed around by the Red Sox sense of entitlement.
Let me get this part out of the way first: yes, it sucks and is actually a tad bit embarrassing that the most interesting thing that can happen to the Orioles is a brawl, but at this point I'll take what I can get. It's hard to watch this team 99% of the time, so the few minutes of fighting that broke up the misery were pretty cool.
To set the stage, the Red Sox were up 10-3 in the eighth inning when David Ortiz stepped up the plate. If you've watched the Red Sox at all you probably know that David Ortiz thinks he owns the inside of the plate. Kevin Gregg decided to inform him that he does not. Gregg threw three pitches to Ortiz on the inside of the plate and Ortiz took exception. Unfortunately there isn't video of the pitch sequence on MLB.com, but Gregg did not throw behind Ortiz, he did not throw at his head, he didn't do anything dirty. He pitched Ortiz inside, and Ortiz yelled at him like Gregg was head hunting.
After the third pitch, Ortiz began to walk towards the mound, yelling the F word and other not-so-nice things at Gregg. Ortiz had to be physically restrained by the umpire from going after Gregg, and after he was calmed down the at-bat continued. Now, in what world is it okay to charge the mound? Ortiz should have been tossed at that point, in my opinion. But he wasn't, he was allowed to continue the at-bat.
On a 3-0 count, Ortiz popped a ball to shallow center field that Adam Jones caught easily. Gregg yelled something at him, and Ortiz decided he didn't want to go toward first base, he wanted to go after Gregg. MLB.com does have that video, so go check it out. I'll wait.
After the game, Kevin Gregg was asked about what happened, and you really have to hear it in his own words. The interview is on MASNsports.com, so go watch it if you haven't. You won't be sorry.
What Gregg said in that interview was basically that the Red Sox think they're better than everybody else and that pitching inside is part of the game and maybe Big Papi better just shove it. That last bit was some paraphrasing on my part. On Sportscenter after the game, Joe McDonald, who covers the Red Sox for ESPN Boston, said that the Red Sox were watching Gregg's postgame comments in the clubhouse and the sentiment from them was that Gregg should have been tossed as soon as he started throwing inside.
Um, hello, Red Sox? PITCHING INSIDE IS ALLOWED! He should have been thrown out for throwing inside? I think Kevin Gregg was right when he called you guys some whiny babies.
I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow, but Alfredo Simon is pitching and he's dangerous when he's NOT trying to hit someone, so it could be interesting.
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OH JOY
Baseball tonight. I’m sure there will be, in no way shape or form, some Red Sox loving and Oriole hating…
"The plate is 17 inches, and I’m gonna use all 17 inches, and they don’t like it because they think they’re better than everyone else." - Kevin Gregg
Haters gonna hate. Fuck 'em.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 8, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just dripping with sarcasm tonight...
Trying to use it before I lose it to sleep.
"The plate is 17 inches, and I’m gonna use all 17 inches, and they don’t like it because they think they’re better than everyone else." - Kevin Gregg
They seemed to avoid that for a change.
Probably cause Mark Mulder was on and he’s never had any ties to the AL East.
Funny thing is Simon will probably get tossed in the first anyway.
He should just tell them beforehand “Look, I throw upper 90s and have NO IDEA where the ball normally goes… its nothing personal”.
by Wieters Wieners on Jul 8, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Boston.
Like, all things Boston. Fuck it all in the eye. Even Click and Clack, who I enjoy listening to on NPR. Fuck ’em. They are tainted.
I am the Frizzle Fry.
things to keep in mind when you watch SportsCenter tonight
Josh Beckett has herpes.
Here's Ortiz walking towards the mound on the third pitch.
by ahoque24 on Jul 9, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I hate him so so much
he’s like a red shirted, fat-fuck version of A-Rod. Or a slightly-less-neck-bearded Lebron.
Fuck David Ortiz. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jul 9, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Beckett, oh my GOD.
Whine some more why don’t you, you dufus?
And Gregg…finally he actually does something that makes me like him. He’s been a closer on two of my teams now, and I was horrified when the Orioles signed him.
Please let this give some spirit back to this beaten-down team, PLEASE.
Just rub some steroids on it, toad-man.
Seriously, I can’t be the only person who kind of things David Ortiz looks like a toad. Actually more like a Slaad, a reference which maybe 2 other people will get.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Jul 9, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
perfect timing
for me and my family, as we are taking a trip to Boston to see the sites. As a longtime Sox/Pats/Celtics hater, I will have no problem donning my retro O’s cap throughout the Hah-bah
Quote from an old work friend who is a Red Sux fan...
“It will be funny after the all-star break to hear all the Red Sox fans that take over Camden Yards boo Gregg if he comes in. Its bush league to throw inside intentionally in a 10-3 game.”
How is throwing inside “intentionally” bush league!!!!!!
DOUCHE
When they look up from the gutter where their dreams have gone to die they will see only orange and black. -EME
pissing in da wind
you always seem to get some on ya. now we know what would happen if any got on mr ortiz here.
way to piss on ortiz gregg
So Gregg can't pitch,
but can we stick him in the dugout to use as an enforcer?
no, not Olney. But I hear good things.
One question..
….why is everyone saying that it is so bush league of Ortiz to swing on a 3-0 pitch when they are up by six runs in the eighth? Of all the fucktarded stuff that Ortiz did that at-bat, I don’t see how the 3-0 swing is what Nick is all pissy about.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
yeah, if you're going by unwritten rules
Gonzalez taking second on that semi-passed ball is much worse
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 9, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
A Similar Situation
It’s by no means an identical situation, but you may recall Showalter chewing out Jake Fox during spring training for swinging at a 3-0 pitch. Fox was up with runners on second and third, no outs, and the O’s were up by 10. Ortiz had a runner on third, one out, with Boston up by six. Same idea though.
Then again, you have to consider his mental state: he was clearly pissed at that point, and probably didn’t care about unwritten rules. Not that he should have been pissed, or that being angry makes swinging any less bush league. But so it goes…
by TheTrapezoidConspiracy on Jul 9, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The "unwritten rules" of baseball is one of the biggest pieces of bullshit still circulating
There are only two rules.
The written ones and winning.
While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes
Sorry man
but spoken like somebody who’s never played the game.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
no way dude, if I’m wanna walk on the mound or swing at a 3-0 meatball then I’m damn well gonna do it.
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg
by danielreese05 on Jul 9, 2011 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's fine
and if I’m pitching I’m going to hit you. That’s sort of the point.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
PER PTY FACEBOOK UPDATE:
Which tagline should we use for our new Kevin Gregg shirt design?
WHOOOOOOO!!!
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg
by danielreese05 on Jul 9, 2011 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Weiters shoved Ortiz the heck out of the way as he was going after Gregg the second time.
Awesome.
"Roberts is unconscious!!!!" - Jim Hunter, after Brian Roberts hits his second HR of the night. 9/21/09
I loved
seeing Weiters get right in there. I don’t get to go to many live games because of where I work, but I had great seats earlier this year, and Matt is a giant dude.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 9, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw Matt stand right next to Vlad up close
and he was slightly bigger.
BTW…..is that Rabbit in the Moon in your avatar? Great live performance.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 9, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
RITM it is.
Saw them for the first time at StarScape back in … 05? Such a great show, I can’t believe they aren’t more popular than they are.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
People view "Florida Breakbeats" as garbage.
Even though they are great producers, if they just switched to average Euro-Trance, they would have been much bigger. I’m glad they stuck with what they do best…….taking a chainsaw to the face on stage.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 10, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That's one of the things I noticed as well.
While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes
Buck wanted this
Kevin Gregg was clearly trying to pick a fight, from my view getting all wound up on some stupid bravado by Buck Showalter. If the Orioles want to compete with the Red Sox, maybe they should fire MacPhail. Instead of bitching about the Red Sox $180M payroll, maybe the Orioles shouldn’t be throwing $26M at Gregg, Guerrero and Lee. I don’t know, big Papi is a whiny little *itch, but Kevin Gregg isn’t any better. Papi was just reacting to Gregg being an idiot.
Just IMO.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Jul 9, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Gregg wasn't being an idiot.
He was ticked off because Ortiz had shit himself over the previous three pitches & then was breaking the “unwritten rules”.
And, point of order, saying something to someone who has already charged you is completely warranted.
Let’s review the interaction:
1. Gregg throws 4 pitches, all legal.
2. Ortiz glares at Gregg.
3. Ortiz points at Gregg.
4. Ortiz charges Gregg.
5. Gregg says Ortiz should run to first.
6. Ortiz charges Gregg again.
See who’s being the aggressor here? Even with his armored right arm?
Classic case of ’roid rage.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jul 9, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here's the thing
Ortiz had to be restrained by the ump and his coaches from going after Gregg after ball THREE. Why he’s not run there is beyond me. For Josh Beckett to say Kevin Gregg should have been ejected after he left the mound after ball three is ridiculous. He left the mound because YOUR TEAMMATE was charging him.
So, to recap.
BALL ONE: Inside, but not grievously so, missed Ortiz by almost a foot. Ortiz reacts like Gov. John Connolly in the back of a convertible sedan with JFK.
BALL TWO: OK, now Gregg’s sending a message. Back off the plate. Ortiz glares some more.
BALL THREE: Way inside, arguable that Gregg was indeed trying to plunk him. Ortiz points, screams, takes multiple steps towards Gregg and leaves the batter’s box by a good 2 yards. Gregg walks towards Ortiz. Benches clear, and miraculously, Ortiz is allowed to remain at-bat despite leaving the batter’s box to step toward an opponent in anger. Must be nice to be on the Red Sox. Call your own HBP and clearly violate rules with no threat of consequences.
BALL FOUR: With a 8-3 lead, a 3-0 count, Ortiz decides to take a hack. As O’sFan21 will tell you, that’s just not done. Me, I couldn’t care less, a batter’s job is to bat. But that’s just not done in MLB and when Big Papipops up and takes those arrogant, lumbering, Type-2-Diabetes-onset slow steps to first base, Gregg motions with his glove that maybe he should pick up the pace. And I’m sure some words his momma wouldn’t be proud of were directed at Ortiz as well. At that point, Gregg is run by the home plate umpire before the two even come within 10 feet of each other.
And then Ortiz decides to take a premature left turn, and we all know what happened next.
David Ortiz is more to blame that Kevin Gregg in this, by far. I’d venture to say, aside from the yelling after the AB, Kevin Gregg did EXACTLY what he should have.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Jul 9, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish i had video editing skills good enough to remove all the identifying information from the clip
so i could send it to people and have them look at the clip completely objectively. Its amazing how different Red Sox fans saw that at bat than we did.
Well, their guy was probably seized by roid rage and they're in denial.
So of course they see it differently.
They’re also a bunch of douchebags, so they can fuck right the hell off.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
REC
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 9, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats why i'm curious
How many fewer Boston fans would be less outraged if they didn’t know who was involved
Two things stick out to me
1. When Big Poopy charges Gregg, the home plate umpire races in to try to break it up. As soon as Gregg throws the first punch, Blue flees for his life. He wants nothing more to do with it. He probably has a wife and kids at home he wants to see again.
2. Matty. Catches the throw from Jonesy, then charges Poopy and shoves him into next week. The locker room and dugout in Phoenix might be a bit interesting next week, although I’ll bet Matty has too much class to even acknowledge it.
I think the lead was 10-3 by the time Big Pop-up was batting, not that this radically alters the scenario.
The thing I find the most irritating about the whole situation beyond how Ortiz acted is that the umpire didn’t say anything to him, and it was Gregg who got run after the pop-up for the glove pointing thing. Maybe they should start ejecting fist-pumping assholes like Papelbon and Joba Chamberlain too – well, they probably would except that these players are on the Yankees and Red Sox and thus exempt from the rules.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 9, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I suspect Gregg totally deserved to get tossed for whatever he said
but I was shocked that Ortiz was allowed to finish the at-bat
You can see Papi calling Gregg a motherfucker when he's walking towards the mound after ball 3.
Does screaming “MOTHERFUCKER!” at another player count as an ejectable offense, I wonder? I’m sure if it was said at an umpire, that would be an insta-toss.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 9, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, my bad
And that’s the worst part for me – how does Ortiz get to stay in the game after Ball 3? He walked a good 2-3 yards towards the mound. He’s gotta be run there.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
If nothing else, Gregg deserves both a Most Birdland and a little bit of love.
It isn’t exactly his fault some team signs him to be a closer. If Baltimore offered me the minimum to be their closer I’d take it. And fuck all the fans that said I sucked.
While democracy must have its organization and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
- Charles Evans Hughes
Around the minors 7-8:
Norfolk responded to adversity like you should, clubbing Durham 17-2. Ryan Adams went 2-6 with a double, a homer and 2 strikeouts. Josh Bell went 2-4 with a double, homer, walk and a strikeout. Jake Fox went 3-4 with 2 walks. Brandon Snyder went 1-4 with a walk and a K. Nick Green had 7 RBIs. Chris Tillman only went 2 innings (starting on Sunday?), didn’t give up a run, struck out 3 and allowed 2 hits (0 walks). Cole McCurry went 3 scoreless, giving up 1 hit and striking out 2.
Bowie beat Altoona 6-1. Xavier Avery went 0-3 with a K. LJ Hoes went 1-5 with 2 Ks and his 8th stolen base. Joseph Mahoney went 2-5 with a SB and a CS. Ronnie Welty went 2-4 with his 10th homer.
Frederick beat Potomac 4-1. Manny Machado went 1-2 with a homer and 2 walks as well as a CS. Jonathan Schoop went 0-3 with a walk and a K. Kipp Schutz went 1-3 with a CS. Tyler Townsend DNP. Oliver Drake had another really nice start, going 8.1 innings, striking out 9, and allowing 1 earned run on 4 hits and 2 walks. His GB/FB was 12/4.
Delmarva beat Charleston 6-5. Tyler Kelly went 2-5 with a SB. Michael Ohlman went 2-3 with a double and 2 walks. Randy Henry tossed a scoreless inning, without allowing a hit, walk or striking out anyone.
I’m sure you have noticed that all the kids so far have won tonight. But the stench from the proving grounds is strong, and Aberdeen lost again, this time 9-4 to Lowell. Glynn Davis went 0-3 with a walk and 2 Ks. Mychal Givens went 0-4 with a SB. Joe Velleggia went 0-4 with a K. Connor Narron went 1-2 with a double, 2 walks and a K. Jake Cowan struck out 10 in 6 innings, yielding 3 earned runs on 4 hits including a homer to CC fave Seth Schwindenhammer. You really have to like that 10/0 K/BB.
The GCL Orioles doubleheader with the GCL Rays was postponed.
The DSL Orioles beat the DSL Reds 8-3. Byron Capellan went 0-5 with a K and a CS. Hector Veloz went 1-2 with 2 walks.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I think Tillman's outing was cut short by a rain delay.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 9, 2011 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Video of the entire event:
It’s the NESN (which stands for “really f*cking grating”) feed, so you’ll have to endure their interpretation.
“Gregg stAHHHted this!”
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Not to mention the gushing over Ortiz's failed left uppercut
Not that Gregg fared any better, but it’s not something Jim or Gary would be bragging about.
by brek on Jul 9, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
David Ortiz is a Bitch.
That simple. Forget everything else and just watch the At-Bat. Three inside pitches – none of which hit him. He glares, he glares, he spits. He charges the mound. He charges instead of the running his weak fly out.
How on Earth does he not get thrown out of the game?
"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage
I wonder if the contestant of the day won a thousand bucks.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 9, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
*Pending official review
So, if it went in the books as a double play, it’s a $1,000 winner.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Gary announced it, so I believe they did.
I am the Frizzle Fry.
by PBR me ASAP! on Jul 9, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasted Days and Nights
Driven by a desire to waste time, I was actually watching last night when the brawl broke out. I credit Buck for being astute enough to realize and argue that the runner on third was out for joining the brawl. I also credit Gregg for not being intimidated. I don’t especially like Gregg, but I appreciated his push back. I hope Simon pitches in on Ortiz tonight. The pitcher has a right to move the batter off the plate.
This was awesome.
I love Kevin Gregg. Even if he sucks.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
Oh and
FUCK THE RED SOX!
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I really wanted one of them to land a knockout punch
Whatever they were doing looked so uncoordinated though.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
And Fuck the Red Socks
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
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