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Monday Bird Droppings

Steve Melewski: Jim Duquette: Some scouts amazed at the haul the Orioles brought back in Uehara deal
Duquette: "I have called a couple of scouts in the industry checking on what they are hearing (about deadline deals) and it was three different scouts I spoke with and they too were amazed at the haul that the Orioles brought back."

Orioles Insider: How did Andy MacPhail do at the trade deadline? - Baltimore Orioles: Schedule, news, analysis and opinion on baseball at Camden Yards - baltimoresun.com
"Here’s my take on the moves: I like the Uehara trade. The Lee trade doesn’t really register."

Pirates Trades: Orioles' Adam Jones Talks About Derrek Lee - SB Nation Pittsburgh
"These youthful Bucs don't have a lot of veterans, and certainly not veterans with experience playing in pennant races. He could mentor any number of guys on the team now and have a positive effect not only in 2011, but in the years to come."

Steve Melewski: Bobby Bundy will move to Double-A Bowie for his next start - MASN
"Right-handed pitcher Bobby Bundy, who has been one of the best starters in the Orioles minor leagues this year, will be promoted to Bowie soon and make his next start for the Double-A Baysox."

Uehara, Tateyama have high school reunion with Rangers - Star-Telegram
Aawww, Koji.



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And they sent first baseman Derrek Lee, 35, and some potential cash (probably between $500,000 and $1.75 million depending on how many plate appearances Lee ends up with) to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Class A first baseman Aaron Baker, 23.

We’re still paying for the plate appearances? I thought that was the main reason to get rid of him, to get out of that obligation when it wasn’t returning any value. Why is paying that money to have Aaron Baker better than DFA’ing Lee?

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by 33 on Aug 1, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe there was an acceleration clause

that made the incentive clauses automatically vest if he was cut.

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

then it was a sunk cost & I'd be OK with the deal again

but who offers such idiotic contracts? Good Lord.

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by 33 on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think a clause like that would be listed on Cot's Contracts?

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, and i doubt its the case

but there are likely contract details in general that we can never know about without seeing the contract itself

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we save about $2 million in not having to pay the rest of his base salary, so it was still a good deal.

Although practically the only effect is that offset the money we sent to Texas for Koji.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why MacPhail will never succeed here
He indicated he got plenty of calls about Jeremy Guthrie, but needed pitching back to part with the right-hander. He also revealed that a player like Adam Jones could have brought a good haul in return, but he was not willing to part with Jones right now.

Why wouldn’t you sell high on AJ? I might be wrong, I hope I am, but it looks like Adam has peaked. He’s a good, even very good player, but no longer a cornerstone.
Again, I hope I’m wrong, but this seems like the perfect opportunity to sell a good player as if he was a great player and stock the minors.

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as Guts is concerned, I think they absolutely needed a pitching prospect in return.

We’ve got zero pitching on this team and with Matusz/Britton struggling, its only going to get worse.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually talking about the AJ part more

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the trade market is like the draft

you get the best players available instead of focusing on one specific need.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

But with the draft you're only adding talent.

By trading, you’re creating a need in the system by sending players and you have to address that need as well. If there’s no intra- organizational solution, you have to get something back that will fill that need.

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

you still dont want to

pass on a really good positional package in order to get a lesser pitcher package because you’re that dedicated to getting pitching.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that's not what AMP was talking about

He wanted a major league ready pitcher to take Guts’ spot in the rotation immediately, which is absolutely ridiculous because if the trading partner had that to spare they wouldn’t need Guts (as was pointed out earlier on here).

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought briefly that the addition of Tommy Hunter could fill that gap for the warehouse

but I guess they aren’t that silly

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought too.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what to think anymore

I think I either want to have a firesale (sell everyone except Wieters and Britton), or to do nothing and keep this group of guys together and hope they can all take steps forward next year. Selling Guts and Jones for 2-4 prospects and then doing nothing else for the farm system is a band-aid for a bullet wound, because I’m sure MacPhail would just stop there and then we’d be waiting on Machado, Bundy, and 2 other prospects for the next 3 years instead of just Machado and Bundy.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

MacPhail won't be waiting for anyone after this season.

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The O's are trying to duct tape a 2012 season together for 81 wins

MacPhail valued the major league ready aspects of Hunter and Davis. I’m not holding my breath they’ll be ready to play in the AL East. Guthrie is still here to go for 81 wins in 2012. Ditto for Jones.

None of it matters if Britton and Matusz continue to suck. Seems to me MacPhail and crew are hoping those two turn it around and 81 wins is the goal. It’s an easier sell than telling Angelos the team needs to continue to stock the minors by selling some established players. Angelos doesn’t seem to want to invest in the minor league. I’m already wondering what duct tape free agents the O’s will go for in the off season.

by drj on Aug 1, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we've flushed out dciswise's identity...
“I think the value is great,” Duquette [former Orioles vice president of baseball operations] said. "I was surprised. I have called a couple of scouts in the industry checking on what they are hearing (about deadline deals) and it was three different scouts I spoke with and they too were amazed at the haul that the Orioles brought back.

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep.....what an amazing haul.

We’ll pay Derrek Lee’s salary in return for a single-A first baseman and then sent our only real trade chip for two fringe major-leaguers who likely provide nothing to the team.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

shit, i completely agree with duke.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to say...

there’s no way Jim Duquette knows any scouts.

by ahoque24 on Aug 1, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

welcome to the real world!

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

amen, brotha'

I have nothing scheduled for the rest of my life either…..and I have a job….

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

god damn, the real world sucks

I forgot how much I hate it here till you just said that.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably hate Houston too, but not liking the job?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's my life in a nutshell.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look on the bright side

we’re always up early enough during the week to read this bird droppings column right when it hits the site!

…yeah, I got nothing – avoid the real world as long as possible, y’all :P

by zsiv on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate it when I'm at work pre-bird-droppings

I feel so alone

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

There’s an O’s game tomorrow to watch!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 1, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same!

Let me know if you find something good and I’ll do the same!

by DaveAA on Aug 1, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

But so is Arrieta so, improvment?

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that after, Tillman as well

We have 3 Beibers, let’s hope with time at least one can turn into a Miley Cyrus

by Benhem612 on Aug 1, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the Fangraphs article on the "Should Have Done More" clubs
#12 – Baltimore Orioles
Getting rid of Derrek Lee was great, as Aaron Baker will do more for the Orioles than Lee did, even if he stinks in, or never makes it to, the majors. They shouldn’t have been expected to deal Vladimir Guerrero, as his injury and suckitude sapped any potential trade value. But Jeremy Guthrie stayed put despite rampant rumors that he would be dealt. It’s hard to fathom why he wasn’t dealt.

Sure, the sudden emergence of Ubaldo Jimenez as an available trade target changed the landscape of the starting pitching market, but teams will pay more for 1+ years of a starter than one or fewer years. Given the state of the Orioles organization, any reasonable offer for their de facto ace would have greatly improved the system. Guthrie will probably be dealt in the offseason, or by next year’s deadline, but the Orioles could have extracted a better return now, when he can impact one more playoff race.

Why do you have to be outside the Orioles organization to understand the state of the Orioles organization?

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by 33 on Aug 1, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow, they certainly didn't mince words

The bar has certainliy been set high for Aaron Baker haha.

by Benhem612 on Aug 1, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 1, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

dscwise what are they talking about?????
They shouldn’t have been expected to deal Vladimir Guerrero, as his injury and suckitude sapped any potential trade value.

They just don’t realize the pressure he puts on defenses!!!

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep....pretty bored here.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto. My only client for the day rescheduled.

So I tried to order an Aaron Baker jersey through one of those sketchy discount jersey sites. Couldn’t find out, I guess they are sold out.

by Nafer on Aug 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why, exactly, would you want one of those?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it's my boy Wookie. :)

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 1, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

and now i'm irritated

that didn’t take long at all

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHY in THE HELL did you do that?????

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did I miss something?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea....that's where I'm at right now.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took offense to his challenge to prove that God didn't write the Bible

but i deleted it, because i immediately regretted even getting into it.

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

God would have put fewer "begats" in it.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'm NOT a Facebook peson

But who is this Wookie of whom you speak? Would he benefit from my enlightenment? Or would he tear my arms out of the sockets when he loses?

"If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause."

- George Clinton

by sluggo 2.0 on Aug 1, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really, desperately bored people

can read my new FanPost

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by 33 on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not slow here

I think everyone in ExxonMobil forgot their passwords today…

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

How did Chris Davis look at the plate?

0-4 obviously, but I missed the game. His steadily declining major league numbers remind me of an Atkins like trajectory. Any chance he’s marginally productive?

by tjk on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Patient, but awful swings.

Huge slow uppercut. He’s going to suck.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patient......for now.

Just you wait till the Oriole coaching sinks in!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patient?

I thought he had a terrible walk rate?

I dunno, I’ve been watching him be a fantasy sleeper bust for like 3 years now. I don’t have high hopes.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does, but he did actually take a few pitches.

Mitch Moreland was my Texas 1B fantasy sleeper of the year.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

We weren't asked to describe his career as a hitter.

We were asked how he looked yesterday and he took a good number of pitches yesterday.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay okay

My b.

BTW, I’ve got two opposite field home runs in my past two softball games. Both times I was trying to pull the ball. No clue how to hit the ball where I want it to go.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Late swings.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I was specifically trying to swing early.

I think I’m stepping out and it’s going off the tip of the bat.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Get your hands out in front and keep the bat head from lagging behind.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got my first HR of the season tonight

Followed shortly thereafter by my second..

Unfortunately, I also K’ed for the first time and the team lost, knocking us out of the playoffs.

by brek on Aug 2, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let it travel....

Wow, how many times have I heard my kid’s hitting coach say that this summer….

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

After being totally locked in for the entire spring season and the first half of the summer season, something really bad has happened to my swing over the last two weeks and everything I hit either has tons of top spin or is popped straight up (but somehow continues to fall in no-man’s land lots of the time). It’s really pissing me off. I might need to start trying to go oppo until I get locked back in.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So basically, you're Nick Markakis?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

except I play a premium defensive position, so my WAR is much higher. lol

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

You need to get back in the gym, bro.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just about to start another cycle!

lol

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really need to start lifting again.

Lifelong runner, so I never really lifted much to begin with, but now I just do nothing. Need to start running again too.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha I'm the opposite

Solid on the lifting front, but REALLY should mix in some cardio once in a while.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cardio's boring

Lifting’s fun. I just started running a few months ago after years of lifting and that’s only because I thought I had the fabrum bear and wasn’t lifting for power for a few weeks.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go as far as saying lifting's "fun"

but it’s not torture like cardio.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just moved away from the free gym at school

and can’t afford to pay for a membership or buy weights right now, so i gotta figure out some sort of new routine.

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pushups, pullups, dips will do just fine for a while.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should!

I love to run…..really need to return to the HS days and legitimately run. With fall coming, its kinda nice to have a good base for longer runs in the nice weather.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've never had the attention span for it

I do much better on a bike or treadmill when i can have espn in front of me

by kba26 on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really either....especially during the summer.

But during the fall and the weather is nice, I don’t mind a few long runs.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

People frown on it in races

but an Ipod helps. Fall runs are great when you can find a nice trail.

Treadmills are the death of me so I pretty much only end up running in the spring and fall.

by Benhem612 on Aug 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only time I use the treadmill is during the winter.

I usually get home from work after dark and its hard to pick up on icy spots. My stride is too long to comfortably run on the treadmill though, so I usually avoid it.

I never wear headphones while running along roads, so I’ve gotten into the habit of not having them at all.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it is a bit unsafe on a busy road

it’s why I look for trails to run. My brain and knees just seem to die on the treadmills.

by Benhem612 on Aug 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And planking

Before it was some stupid teenage FB crap, it was the best ab and lower back workout you can get.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

After a lifetime of swinging at overhand fast pitches, this slow pitch softball thing is killing me. You gotta wait till the ball is like seriously right on top of the plate.

But yeah, I’m not making any outs so I don’t really care, but there’s kind of an unspoken pissing contest going on between the guys on the team where we’re not taking any walks and all trying to drive the ball.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I thought too

but hard to envision much power coming from the bat speed he showed yesterday.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was pretty late on most of his swings.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wonderful

well I’m guessing we’ll see a lot of him regardless, he and Reynolds should provide a nice breeze at the home games for the rest of the summer.

by tjk on Aug 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which

I’ll be there Friday if anyone wants to catch some suds at Pickles before hand.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was kind of hoping they'd just stick Reynolds at 1B to see if he can man that position at all

I’d rather not have him be a full-time DH once the team gives up on his 3B abilities. I imagine he’d still be below average, but not of the -50 runs variety.

by brek on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...we don't exactly have anyone else to play 3B.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

true... maybe stick davis there.

if the idea is to evaluate his ability to hit in the bigs.

by brek on Aug 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I missing something on davis?

I looked at his fangraphs and to my uneducated eye, his defensive metrics look pretty awful.

by Benhem612 on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You saw correctly.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah... i saw that too..

but everyone keeps saying he’s a pretty good defender

by brek on Aug 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

sample size is too small to make a judgement

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

so then Bell at 3B?

from what it sounds like with Davis and what Bell looked like at the end of last year there’s not much of a difference offensively, and Bell wasn’t too great with the glove either. So no real obvious solution.

by tjk on Aug 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, in a way, i dont care who plays 3b right now

just not reynolds. He would probably still be an above average 1b offensively. If he is competent on defense there, he would have more value to us than as a DH.

by brek on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy at third next year, Machado at SS

I’m kidding… I think.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bring Machado up before he gets wrecked by our minor league coaching.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

who plays 2B?

b/c b-rob is clearly done, and andino + blake davis = yuck

by Luke E on Aug 1, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOOOOOOOOES!

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty fucking bad.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...I should probably get BUODs going.....

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If BUH-DARD becomes a feel-good household name while pitching well for the Sox in the playoffs,

I think I might throw up.

Also, the most recent low blow from Yahoo:

Boston will face Baltimore six times over the final two weeks, so Bedard could prove useful in the head-to-head playoffs.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

pshaw

as if the red sox needed another pitcher to beat the O’s

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew fuckin' Miller can beat the O's.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do it just fine with their terrible pitchers already.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd hate for it to be with the Sawx, but I'd love for Bedard to return to glory.

Plus, its not like we didn’t get our return for him. It may not be good return, but we got it.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a great return

we just fucked it up once they got here

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh maybe.

I’m not convinced any of those guys were that great to begin with.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tillman was BA's 22nd rated prospect in '09

Jones was 28th in ‘07. When you throw in Sherrill, Kam, and Butler, that’s a haul.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tillman could have been the number 1 ranked prospect and it wouldn't matter.

I think somebody seriously missed on Tillman’s skills. Unless they thought his “projectability” was great cuz he was young.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or they just assumed because he was like 19, he'd get better.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finished Season 2 of Breaking Bad last night, on to Season 3.

They really had me going with that pool foreshadowing they kept going back to during intros the entire season.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

So i'm going to a Hudson Valley Renegades (TB-A) game against the Ironbirds this weekend

We rented the owners box. 200 bucks for 4 people, and it comes with:

Video Board and P.A. Recognition
(4) Renegades Hats and T-Shirts
(8) Hot Dogs
(4) Bags of Peanuts
(4) Bags of Popcorn
(4) Large Sodas
(4) Domestic Beers

AND one of us (read: me) gets to throw out the first pitch. How fucking awesome of a deal is that for 50 bucks each?!

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

4 domestic beers

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, why even bother.... hehe

JK, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal. The Keys have something similar for $32 a person but doesn’t include the opening pitch thing.

Pretty cool… just don’t pull a John Wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usyNyn9Ang8

It’s blocked at my work, but I’m assuming thats a good link.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be in for that 32 dollar thing.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if it's worse than BaBa Booey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLIyT8HExY

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

Is that deal available for every game?? I’d pay $50 just to throw out the first pitch and drink the beer.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like it

I thought I mist be missing something, but our friends that live up there booked it. It’d almost be worth it for 200 each.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missed*

Don’t know where that came from

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

Must*

this is why I should be working.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Total

$54 each after taxes.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect a video of the first pitch

and I expect it to be a strike from the rubber. lol

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just realizing

I might not make it in time to throw the pitch. It’s Friday at 7 (meaning first pitch is earlier) and I have to work until 5. The park is at least an hour from here, plus traffic. If I get there, it’ll be recorded for sure.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I started here 3 weeks ago

and my boss will be on vacation, so the owner is going to be here. I’m hesitant to ask to leave early when the head honcho is here. Otherwise it’d be no problem. I still might be able to though because I’m coming in ridiculously early that day.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the other hand,

that’s perfect timing to take that time off. You had shit scheduled before your new job. Once you’re established, it’s harder to get that time off.

My company has had some pretty stupid vacation policies (no more than a week off at a time), but it’s always the new people who get to ignore that, because they planned on backpacking in europe for a month or some shit before they had the job.

by brek on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that would have worked if I mentioned it when I started

and honestly this place is super cool with time off. I just think that would be the worst possible time to ask to leave early.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't get four beers each, silly

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do if the three people you go with don't drink!

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just gotta find some pregnant ladies to hang with

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

or ex-alcoholics!

plenty of those in my family. :)

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

To drink their beer!

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is some flawless logic there...

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see nothing wrong with it.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to have them drive you home.

Obviously.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I see everything right with this

Planning ahead, I see!

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way cool!

But we better see the video of your pitch…or you gonna haff a lotta ‘splainin’ to do, Davey!

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by Titov on Aug 1, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just use Milb.tv

I’m sure it’ll work just as well as MLB.tv does for you.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did SBN have a little outage there?

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think so?

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh....

I had a long period (20 mins or so) where no comments came up at all. I was still connected to the internet.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea...this was later.

A whole bunch of comments all popped up at the same time after the “outage”

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT, but a great read here, WW:

Getting Bin Laden
What happened that night in Abbottabad.

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the fact they treated the downed helicopter like a nusiance

Just another operation :)

Think about it – Neither helicopter lands in its planned area, one is downed due to unforeseen environmental factors and the other lands outside the compound.

And yet within 18 minutes they’ve blown through multiple steel doors, accessed the building at different entrances than planned, eliminated three hostile males, searched the entire house, neutralized three unarmed females without killing any of them, and identified and killed their main target. All within 18 minutes. About the time it takes the Yankees and the Red Sox to play one inning in an average Sunday night game.

Wow.

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

One half inning you mean

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great read.

My favorite little detail might have been how they ordered a bunch of platters from Costco for the Situation Room. Sometimes it’s easy to forget those guys live in the same world as the rest of us.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

minka kelly should have won.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Her: Automatically Inelligible

You: Banned

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Weaver-Guillen altercation was hilarious.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a hitter rub it in so bad after a HR or non that I can recall. Anyone?

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that was pretty awful

the harper kiss blowing was worse I think, but this was on a bigger stage obviously.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what was worse than that?

Verlander complaining about the bunt single that broke up his no hitter. It was a 3 run game and the Angels are in a playoff race. It worked too.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's lame to complain about that, but people have always done that.

But I agree, in a close game it’s completely legit. If it was 12-0 and they were bunting then I’d probably bean guys until I got tossed.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was an error and didn't impact the no-no

and I thought his quote was pretty reasonable – he said he could see both sides that it was a close game and a baserunner matters, but that from a pitcher’s perspective it’s sort of bush league.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, forgot it was an error

but the “bush lleague” thing was insane. They are trying to win a close meaningful game. Get over yourself. The other team doesn’t have to lay down so you can earn yourself another line in the history books.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

like I said in the other thread, if you could get an honest answer out of the Angels not a single player over there would tell you that going for a bunt single gave them a better chance of winning that game and the primary purpose was to break up the no-hitter.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should say

to break up the no-hitter and/or fuck with Verlander in the process.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see both sides here

Yeah they are trying to win the game, but bunting there is just going outside of your normal process of trying to win the game and more just trying to not get “no-hit”. I think we all agree that the best way to dig your way out of a 3-0 hole is not bunting.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting on base doesn't improve your chances of winning the game?

breaking up the no no may be part of the reason behind the bunt, but aybar is speed guy who bunts anyways. take away the no no and it’s still a legit way to win the game.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does bunting give them the best chance of getting on base???

The vast majority of bunts are outs and if Verlander threw cleanly Aybar is out by 7 feet.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

Bunting is clearly not the best way to go about winning the ballgame there.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although if I'm reading the baseball ref stats correctly

Aybar does have a higher OBP on bunt attempts (.333 7 for 21 attempts) than overall (.317). Pretty small sample size, but who knows.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's really my only point

it’s not like it’s vlad guerrero up there bunting. aybar is actually known for bunting and is “good” at it.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, its not like they were getting on base via any other means.

The bunt was probably worth the try, especially when the game wasn’t nearly out of reach. Had it been 7-0 or something, it’d be a different story.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I just don’t think that was the true motivation – I think it was more to fuck with Verlander and that’s when it gets bush league in my opinion. Hard to know for sure though.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it had multiple purposes, win the game and disrupt Verlander.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

But regardless

I don’t see how anybody can complain about Verlander’s reaction to it. He didn’t hit anybody or throw at anybody. He just said that he can see both sides, but from a pitcher’s perspective it’s a little bush league.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

People can say his reaction was lame, but he truly didn’t even make a big deal about it and this is something that people have been split on for a long time. I don’t think his reaction was that bad. I mean, he’s a pitcher, that was his pitcher take on it. I’m sure 95% of MLB pitchers agree with him.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he even said he wasn't 100% sure

and could see both sides of the argument.

At least I think that’s what I remember him saying when I was watching SC last night at 1 AM…

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't actually believe that's what Ordonez was doing

but if that’s what he was doing then sure.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

just curious, you read the SI article about Harper yet? even if it’s a lot of fluff, it really made me reconsider my position on the guy.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

link?

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you always liked him?

I thought I remembered you defending him on a number of different fronts.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of. I’ve been on the fence, but this kind of swayed me. we’ll see how long it lasts.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 1, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh but I don’t have a link, it was in the mag

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by danielreese05 on Aug 1, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In your own words, summarize the plot in 100 words or less.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

explain to me like i'm a five year old.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

who only understands interpretive dance

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by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Synopsis?

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

that’s a rec.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

how nice of him.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and rec'd

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

among other things, it basically put the whole kiss blowing thing into context, turns out the opposing pitcher was noticeably staring down everyone in the dugout after every K he recorded and did the same to Harper after the homer. I always just assumed it was Harper being an assclown with no provocation.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 1, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that just Harper saying that's what happened?

I don’t get why there isn’t video of that.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't that just seem unlikely?

Very little happens for no reason. And even fewer things happen for no reason on a professional baseball field without being video taped.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems plausible once you consider...

Hey jealousy!

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is up that? is there history we don't know about.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weaver got pissy earlier in the game on a ball Magglio hit down the line that he waited to see if it was going foul. It was a little ridic on Weaver’s part. Then Guillen just held the bat out and side trotted down the first base line pretty much flexing at Weaver.

Both benches were warned followed by the next pitch being a head shot at the next batter.

Then Verlander got pissy when they tried to break up the no-no with a bunt.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was only ridiculous on Weaver's part if you actually believe that's what Mags was doing

It looked like every other ridiculous homerun trot that he’s done over the course of his career to me.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way

I liked everyone’s swag involved. Again, everything hinges on weather Mags truly started it or if Weaver was being over-sensitive. I honestly thought he was just waiting to see fair/foul. But regardless, I like a little spunk in baseball. Weaver was at like 111 pitches anyway when he got tossed so he really didn’t have anything to lose there.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he DEFINITELY had to do something

after the ridiculous show that Guillen put on. I give him props for sending the message the right way – didn’t even hit anybody, but got his point across.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was awesome

First pitch after being warned to. A total fuck everyone move… I loved it.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think they left him in just to do that right?

Hard nosed manager like that – gotta let your pitcher handle that.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so.

He was over 100 pitches, so its not like he was staying in the game very long after that.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i loved it except for throwing in the general area of one's head

should have nailed him in the back or ass.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah..true.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the one thing I'd be worried about if I was gonna be an ass like Guillen

You gotta assume you’ll get hit, but when you put the guy behind you in serious danger that’s pretty tough.

Glad the game lived up to the hype though with that fantastic pitching matchup. Can’t freaking wait for playoff baseball (and the Os to be done).

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was 2 feet over his head

That’s a perfect purpose pitch. You’d prefer he hit him 1 foot away from his head between the shoulder blades?

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a side note

That’s one small wrinkle I like seeing in the NL in this type of situation. AL pitchers don’t have to worry about picking up a bad after they play beanball.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

although if the other team wants to put the pitcher on base by hitting him to bring up the top of the order, wouldn’t you take that trade?

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But there are plenty of situations to usually pick from. If one team is leading by a few runs or more, or with 2 outs and no one on isn’t a bad time. I remember when that poor kid had the responsibility of beaning Clemens after the Piazza/Clemens bat throwing altercations. He was nervous as shit and missed him as I recall. I love the drama, I’m not gonna lie.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 1, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Shawn Estes? Is that who it was? i was watching some college game during the CWS and he caught a foul ball in one of the luxury boxes and the broadcasters recognized him and immediately brought that up.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Shawn Estes

Threw like 2 feet behind his ass. Then tried to act like that’s what he was trying to do and he proved his point in the postgame. What a clown.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

and piazza was PISSED.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

yeah that wasn’t so good. I felt a little bad for him, because he clearly wasn’t that kind of guy, but come on man you have to just sack up.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of guys is that?

-A non-pussy?
-A good baseball player?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha something like that

You also want somebody with some velocity which he didn’t have. If I remember correctly the pitch that went behind douchebag was about 87 mph? What’s even the point.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 1, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is when David Ortiz charges the mound.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d prefer he hit him 1 foot away from his head between the shoulder blades?

Yes, and yes I agree with you that it was purpose pitch. If Jr. Weave wanted to really hit him in the head, he would have came a lot closer.

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by birdman on Aug 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than if he gets fined/suspended.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huff Daddy vs. Chamberlain

Cmon!

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 1, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was awesome

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 1, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm psyched to see Givens and Narron, and maybe even Berry

any ideas on who to look at on the Hudson Valley/TB side?

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

did anyone see Passan's article on Y!Sports

questioning the current trend (among non-Oriole teams) to value prospects similar to the way the NFL values draft picks?

read it here

by Luke E on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

"Go look!" he said. "Look at the last 10 years. And tell me how many pitching prospects blow their arms out or just stink or don’t even make it. I think you’ll be surprised."

I’d say the correct answer is “Just about all of them.”

There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Bleacher Report on Drugs

But then you knew that. Anyway, their Pac 12 “observer’s” perspective is decidedly wedged: not only does he have 8Orygun beating Snodfart in PA8 — um, you might wanna check the spread on THAT one — he’s also got the Robber Barons losing to ND and “possibly” to SC. Wagers on those outcomes may be placed with the firm of Kaching, Kaching and Kaching.

But that’s just money. Even stoopider on the sheet is this entry:

 "6. Will Washington State Finish at the Bottom of the PAC-12 North? Answer: No. [The] Cougars might finish in fourth place in the PAC-12 North.

[…] Jeff Tuel and Marquess Wilson will finally turn around the Cougars fortune and produce a season with more than two wins. I think they should beat Idaho State and UNLV, as well as Oregon State and Washington, while putting up a fight against Cal. Of course, I am a longtime drug abuser now experimenting with crack."

OK, I added that last line. But WTF? Tuel and Wilson are both good athletes, but the other 112 guys in the program represent a considerable dropoff relative to their peers in the conf/div.

Crackheads shouldn’t be given laptops, even during recess.

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by Titov on Aug 1, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Good start tonight in DEL

From the Shorebirds FB status: Shorebirds lead 2-0 in 7th…David Baker back out for 7th after six scoreless…Planeta and Oliveira with RBIs.

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by duck on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Mrs. Bergesen is well after delivering their child.

My source in the hospital tells me, for anyone who cares.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

My source says...

the baby was a high WAR womb cancer that Mrs Bergesen has been trying to unload for 9 months.

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by daveh873 on Aug 1, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Orioles picked him up at the low cost of.....

Vlad Guerrero.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the scouts telling you about this kid's future in baseball?

Hopefully he’s a lot fucking better than his dad is.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask for Moldy's kid

More likely to happen, and more often.

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by NSOsFan on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a rec.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 1, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played, sir.

Well played.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 1, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Around the minors 8-1:

Norfolk lost to Columbus 8-7. Ryan Adams went 3-5 with a double and a homer. Jake Fox went 1-5 with a K.

The Baysox and the Keys were off today.

Delmarva beat Lakewood 4-0. Ty Kelly went 2-3 with a walk. Michael Ohlman went 1-4 with 2 Ks. David Baker had another nice start, going 6.1 scoreless, striking 4, walking 4 and allowing 4 hits with a GB/FB of 6/5. Randy Henry went 1.2 innings, striking out 1.

Aberdeen lost to Mahoning Valley 14-3. Matt Hobgood gave up 9 earned runs in 2.2 innings on 8 hits (1 homer) and 2 walks. He struck out 2, with a GB/FB of 6/0. So that sucks. Glynn Davis went 0-4. Joe Velleggia went 0-4 with a K. Wynston Sawyer went 1-3 with a single. Mychal Givens went 1-4 with a double. Connor Narron went 0-2 with a walk and a K. Though his batting average is .217, his OBP is .367.

The GCL Orioles beat the GCL Red Sox 9-1. Miguel Chalas went 5 innings, giving up 1 earned run on 6 hits. He struck out 3 and walked none with a GB/FB of 8/1. Rod Bernadina DNP again, so it looks like he is injured. Hopefully it’s not too serious.

The DSL Orioles beat the DSL Cubs1 5-2. Byron Capellan went 1-5 with a K. Hector Veloz went 1-2 with 2 walks and committed his 15th error. 19 year old Alexander Mercedes continues to play well, batting .328 on the season, with a .419 OBP and a 443 SLG, with 16 SB in 50 games (8 CS as well). For as much guff as I give the Orioles international “efforts” there do seem to be a fair number of interesting kids from Latin America.

If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever

by dfa on Aug 2, 2011 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

But Hobggod's attitude is still good....

http://twitter.com/#!/Matt_Hobgood48/status/98341985768849408

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by duck on Aug 2, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeesh Hobgood sucks.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahaha Hobgoblin

fucking scrub

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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