Monday Bird Droppings
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Steve Melewski: A quick update on the Orioles draft situation - MASN
"The deadline to sign picks is midnight on Monday and it appears that negotiations with O's top pick Dylan Bundy are likely to go into tomorrow and perhaps down to those final hours."
All Bundy, all the time - baltimoresun.com
"The story of the day for the Orioles will play out far away from Oakland, where the big league team opens a three-game series against the Athletics tonight. Back in Baltimore, Director of Amateur Scouting Joe Jordan will be on the phone, trying to hammer out a deal with top draft pick Dylan Bundy before tonight’s midnight deadline."
Guthrie not worried about 20-loss season - Carroll County Times: Orioles
"Jeremy Guthrie is a loss leader, and he's not happy about it. Guthrie lost his 16th game, most in the majors, on Saturday, and with perhaps eight starts remaining he could become the first 20-game loser since Detroit's Mike Maroth dropped 21 in 2003."
Brian Roberts deserves better from the fans | Roar From 34
Lesson learned? Never read the comments sections on The Sun.
One Lucky Fan - Baltimore magazine
"It’s every baseball fan’s dream, to catch a home-run ball. For Orioles fan Tim Anderson, this dream became a reality not just once, but on three different occasions. It just so happens that these three occasions took place over the course of three days, during this week’s series against the Chicago White Sox."
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Kevin Gregg is just simply put The Worst
I turned the game on right when he came in. That was pathetic even by his standards. I have never disliked watching a single player more in my life.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 15, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
He fucking sucks.
When does his contract expire again?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
not soon enough!
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Aug 15, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
and here's a fun fact re: Gregg sticking around past his contract
“He’s made an adjustment in his delivery after watching film of Kevin Gregg and talking to the veteran closer, who’s been a mentor of sorts to the young pitchers.”
That’s from a Roch post about Bergesen today. Maybe this is why all the young guys have dropped off a cliff this year.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 15, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
They'll probs re-sign him.....plus, doesn't he have an option for next year?
I hate this team.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he has a vesting option for 2013
at 50 games finished this year or 100 between this year and next. He presently has 36 GF.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?
Wait...he's on a two year deal?
I coulda sworn he was done at the end of the year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't you know he once saved 17 games in a row?
When you have a chance to lock up a player like that, you don’t screw around with one year deals.
Aww....my mistake.
Forgot about those 17 saves.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
2 year deals for relievers
You know, we have to overpay a bit to get the best of the best to come to Baltimore. Now THAT’s a commitment to excellence!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
you're missing the point
in a big way, Gregg melting down yesterday was a good thing, because if he hadn’t he’d have 37 games finished this morning. And since I’m worried about him finishing any games next year (like the Orioles are going to not use Papelbon or K-Rod as the strict closer, after they signed one of them to that big 5 year contract), it’s pretty important to my psyche as an O’s fan to see Kevin Gregg not finish 14 more games this season.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?
Not sure I understand what you're responding to.
I thought his deal was 1 year with a vesting option and that he’d be gone at the end of the year and we’d never have to see him again.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, locked in for two, and can easily become 3 with a vesting option.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
DFA please?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The option vests with 50 GF in 2012 or 100 GF in 2011-2012.
So if they sign another shiny closer for next year, we’re probably saved from having the Gregg option vest.
Of course, there’s the possibility that other contract will be worse, but…
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 15, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This year is not 2012.
Where are you getting that the option vests with 50 GF in 2011? That is not what it says on Cot’s Contracts.
I would totally believe we could have him end up finishing 50 games next year and have that option vest. That would suck. The Orioles are that ridiculous, alas.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, duh, im a moron who just misread the cots entry
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?
26th rounder signed...
(h/t orioles-nation.com)
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
$575k?
Thats not your average 26th rounder.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 15, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
this is what gives me encouragement...
matt taylor was drafted pretty early and his 160,000 deal was basically at slot. this deal pretty much has to blow out the fucking slot for the 26th round and over half a mill is not chump change.
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
by j.q. higgins on Aug 15, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard an interview Jim Callis on XM yesterday. He’s really good. Apparently, he’s expecting the Jays to bust the record for money spent on bonuses for this year’s draft. According to him, the Jays’ philosophy is take the best buy regardless of rumored price tag. I wish the O’s would do that.
The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).
Seriously...
I had to listen to DC radio today talk all about the Nationals’ draft progress this year and how they were probably going to pay the overslot money to Matt Purke and it just made me so very sad to realize that they might possibly lock up a guy in the third round that would have probably been a possible top 3 pick next year. Why does Joe Jordan and either of the Suckstill bros. still have a job?
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 15, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it that no mainstream journalist is asking some pointed questions about Gregg?
Buck can’t hear our voice, who will remind him about the “win rule”, and about the fact that Gregg sucks. I’d rather have Mark Worrell. At least we aren’t paying him $5 MM a year.
"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon
I hate coming back to work after vacation.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I mean...I hate being at work anyways
But its so much worse when you realize the grass is in fact greener elsewhere.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Those B-Rob comments from The Sun's comment section are indefensible
Even the lone comment on the story over at Roar from 34 is undeservedly harsh (not to mention absurdly speculative).
In other news, welcome to the internet.
How ridic is the Marlins demoting LoMo?
Loria makes PA look like Santa
"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon
I mean, if you're gonna play with his service time, at least be transparent about it
The O’s didn’t exactly try and fool anyone with Britton’s demotion. First opportunity they had, they sent him down for the 20 days. Don’t act like it’s anything but a way to get another year of cheap team control, Florida.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
So the one question not yet
asked of the Orioles fan who caught a home run ball in 3 consecutive Oriole games is “Why are you going to 3 consecutive Oriole games?” Must be youth and not having your “Oriole life” sucked out of him yet. Give it time and 5 straight non 70 win season under the mantra of getting better.
Little frustrated today. I blame Gregg for this.
Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Aug 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
This was the most common joke about this "news" story that i saw this weekend.
Second most common was that he caught a HR at 3 consecutive games because he was the only one sitting in the OF.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 15, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman is tweeting
that the Cubs will pick up lots of Alfonso Soriano’s remaining money if anyone wants him. Is he better than Vlad for a couple of years. I think he might be.
Other teams leftovers is what we are destined for. Man, I gotta get out of this angry attitude.
Anyone want to give me a couple of Oriole positive’s today. Anything, Please!!!
Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
we have a real shortstop signed for three years?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
3 points.
1. He is a Cub, so that makes Andy happy
2. He would play DH or LF, not SS
3. Did I mention…….he is a CUB
Sharon Marsh "Stan, what did I tell you about being a smart ass?" Stan Marsh "Don't be a smart ass"
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Aug 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they have to be Cubs who came into the organization while AM was there.
Soriano was a signing after AM’s tenure, I believe. Plus, he’s not a failed prospect, just a failed FA signing. It’s the failed Cubs prospects that Andy really loves.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 15, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about JJ, in response to your asking for any Orioles positives.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Orioles are playing on the west coast all week, so you may not be able to stay up late enough to watch them lose.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Overstock.com Coliseum
We get a treat this year – two west coast O’s / A’s series this year instead of one. Late games, loud drumming, the chance to get swept again by the A’s, and the unholy Coliseum itself. Naturally I got tickets. Anyone else out here going tonight?
I'm going to either the Sunday or Saturday game in Anaheim.
I might want to see the Dodgers too. I keep trying to tell my brother that the Orioles suck.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
"better than Vlad" is not strong enough criteria for talent evaluation or acquisition
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?
I hear that Vernon Wells and maybe Barry Zito could be available too....barf
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Hope the GIF doesn't slow your computer down...
And while it’s never funny when someone gets hurt, the Josh Thole/Jason Marquis double-spin move is not to be missed.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
The Marquis situation is sucks. Tried to be a gamer, and I'm not medically savvy enough to know why he was allowed to stay in after the line drive.
But damn if that stupid gif doesn’t make me feel like an even worse person as I tell myself “you can’t laugh at this” while it keeps repeating.
Also, failing to construct a reasonable first sentence makes me feel like a bad person.
The Marquis situationissucks.
Alls I'm sayin is
Baseball, or at least Orioles baseball, would be a lot more interesting if post-pitch somersaults were mandatory. Mike Gonzalez understands the value in this.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that almost reminds me of that Korean baseball "fight"
i’m sure everyone knows what I am talking about.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not familiar with this incident
The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).
I'm just gonna take a guess and say that cultural differences are why this makes no sense to me, an American.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it's a joke. The ball that hit the batter looked like it was going about 40.
I guess it could be the Korean Wakefield on the mound.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
naw man that is some real shits
you should read “You gotta Have Wa” or watch that movie that was loosely based on it.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 15, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
All confusions are different, but....
Might we see a similar ending to B-Rob’s time in Charm City?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Aug 15, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
is B-Rob's contract insured?
The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).
I would
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 15, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have to imagine so...
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Aug 15, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All concussions are different, but....
Might we see a similar ending to B-Rob’s time in Charm City?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Aug 15, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
way to tell them what's up, adam
Adam was in government class when he was drafted.
He finds the whole televised on the MLB Network thing strange.
"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 15, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sebastian Vader
So other than this guys stats looking decent in the GCL, I think we should work on him becoming a closer so he can come out from the bullpen to the Imperial March.
rich dauer hopitalized...
apprently he got whacked in the face in pre-game warm ups.
"the secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits"
Some notes on defense:
I found this article on Peter Bourjos on Beyond the Box Score, and while it’s interesting by itself, a couple of relevant things for us O’s fans:
We asked one longtime major league scout to rate Bourjos and give us a comparable player historically. On the scout’s 20-to-80 scale, he rated Bourjos’ glove an 80 and said Bourjos’ skill reminded him of Paul Blair, who won eight Gold Gloves in a nine-year span as a center fielder for the Orioles from 1967 to 1975.
Yet another guy I wish I’d gotten to see play.
They have "video scouts" tracking every play of every game, grouping plays into 30-plus categories of Good Fielding Plays (think of those as Web Gem nominees) and 50-plus categories of Defensive Misplays & Errors (things such as slipping and falling, colliding with a teammate, overthrowing a cutoff man).
If that bit comes into play for the rPM portion of DRS, rather than the rARM portion, then I bet that alone explains much of Adam’s ever-worsening DRS.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Actually,
from reading the article again, it sounds like the Plus-Minus and Good Play / Misplay systems are two separate things. Oh well.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
I can clarify a little bit for you
+/- is strictly “did you make this play or not, and what percentage of players at your position did make this exact play?”. It doesn’t care how you made or didn’t make the play, or why you did or did not make the play, it just cares that the play was made.
Good fielding plays and defensive misplays are a separate thing entirely, sort of the BIS version of errors and the non-existent opposite of errors.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?
Ah, thanks.
I really need to pick up a Fielding Bible one of these days so I understand it better.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Isn't there a +/- implied good vs bad play system.
As in, highest and lowest percentage plays that a player doesn’t make and makes
(respectively) are regarded as his good or bad plays. What’s that called? I’m positive I’ve read about it somewhere.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I started a new job last Monday
and it’s really cutting into my Camden Chat time. Don’t they know I’m important on the internet??
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
yes! thanks!
It’s at the same agency but it’s a 100% completely different job. It’s not the dream job or anything (we can’t all be so lucky) but it’s a hell of a lot better than the last thing I was doing.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
Still at the same bobblehead factory?
Or did you move on to an entirely new bobblehead factory?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Did you really?
Congrats! (the job part….not the CC thing)
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Aug 15, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL! And you've worked for how long, exactly?
Just wait until you realize that you will have to live the entire life you have already lived but all over again (twice) and this time working for all of those years.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
I've been working as long as you've been alive, sister
It’s not so bad. But the weekend is definitely better.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
That was my contribution of the day.
I’m going to sleep, but I may be back tomorrow to continue with these shenanigans.
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
some people wish they were so lucky
… :(
"Initially thought I had BieberFever but turns out I have pneumonia."
-Guts
Dont sign Bundy
Spend on bullpen instead, perhaps a Gonzo extension or moving Kregg to the rotation and extending him through 2016?
Besides Bundy will just end up like, Hobgood, Erbe, Tillman, Matusz, and Arrieta, so why even bother???!?!!?!?
by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bruce Chen, DLee, Melvin Mora, and Miggy are all free agents after this year.
We should throw some of that draft money their way so we can shore up our grizzled veteran status. Clubhouse presence, baby.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Sorry about the BUOD mishap today.
We lost power in my building….no internet from about 1230 on so I couldn’t post anything. BUODs are complete, but will post tomorrow (approx 9am EST) morning instead
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Dan Klein fabrum bear surgery
Did Peter Angelos kill a bunch of puppies at some point in his life? Is this the reason why he can’t ever have nice things?
f*cknuts.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 15, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fangraphs did their periodical "leaderboards of pleasure"
Three whole major league teams ranked as less watchable than us (The A’s, Mariners and Twins)
We had no players fall in the most or least watchable lists (no Vlad? no Gregg? wouldn’t have guessed that), though we did have one in the “most overrated” list: Mark Reynolds, whose entire stash of SABR goodwill from his unimportantly low batting average is blown by his historically bad defense. (As we all know around here)
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
I just saw Jim Thome hit numbers 599 and 600 in person at Comerica.
It was awesome.
"maybe its just me but i think if the os cant get more rbis they arenever going to win why not get zito or another proven veteran in hear" - zknower
by Emperor Lrrr on Aug 15, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Wooo!
2nd Rd. pick Jason Esposito is in the bag, per Mayo $600k bonus
Close your eyes / Look deep in your soul / Step outside yourself / And let your mind go ~ Seasons In The Abyss, a place O's fan's are all to familiar with
Nice to see the BlowJays likely losing out on 2 high picks as well
Close your eyes / Look deep in your soul / Step outside yourself / And let your mind go ~ Seasons In The Abyss, a place O's fan's are all to familiar with
by PBR me ASAP! on Aug 15, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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