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Orioles at the Deadline: MacPhail Still Magic? Or Was He Ever? - The Loss Column
"Since those two big, early moves he hasn’t really had a great track record. He hasn’t had a terrible one, either, but the results both on the field and in terms of the ultimate return on those two big trades speak to a guy who is, shall we say, struggling. He hasn’t overseen a comprehensive rebuild of the team. He hasn’t fixed the farm system. He hasn’t brought the team to contention."

Derrek Lee dump - Camden Deopt
"First and foremost, this signals that Andy MacPhail and the brain trust coordinating the personnel decisions appear to truly be dedicated to giving Chris Davis every chance to get comfortable and show what he has as a starting first baseman. This was a large concern following the Uehara deal, as noted in Part 1 of our Koji trade analysis, and it is terrific news that the organization is going to make at least a two month commitment to figuring out whether or not Davis looks like a future contributor."

Orioles Insider: One year later: What do you think of Showalter now? - Baltimore Orioles: Schedule, news, analysis and opinion on baseball at Camden Yards - baltimoresun.com
"My take is that he is the best in-game manager I have covered, and probably the best one since Davey Johnson. He’s also the most prepared and observant person I have been around in this game. The things he notices continually amaze me. I do believe, however, that at times he has stayed with veterans longer than he should have this year (Vladimir Guerrero should have been out of the cleanup spot by late May). But, to be fair, it’s not like he’s had a whole lot of tempting options to choose from."

Showalter staying positive after first year at the helm - Carroll County Times
Buck: "We want to put something together to stand the test of time. Just about every great situation, New York, Tampa, Atlanta, Arizona - there were times where it looked pretty tough and some things started clicking. I feel good about understanding what we have and what we don't have,"

Matthew Taylor: Rout by Yankees brings back unpleasant memories - MASN
Not the best thing to read first thing in the morning, really.

Farewell to one of my favorite Orioles, Mr. Koji Uehara - baltimoresun.com
A little Koji nostalgia tour.

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The Pirates bat Lee cleanup and he cracks two dongs…

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

National League pitching, man

It’s ridiculous.

Anyone have any doubt he’s gonna hit .305/.396/.550 the rest of the season?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just went to Bucs Dugout

to see if they had a ‘Hail the Conquering Hero’ post up about DLee. Nope. They don’t even have his picture up (unlike us). Just ‘he was great, but we lost.’

Already jaded by contention…

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Aug 2, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Silly Pirates fans...

don’t they know that “wins” is a meaningless stat?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not whether you win or lose

but how cleverly you post about the losses that counts. After 18 years, I’d expect them to know that.

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Aug 2, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're only one game above .500. They might still fall back down to our level!

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is anybody even surprised?

I’ve had the feeling all along that if he got traded to the NL he’d light it up. Of course, it was just one game, but still.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

he did light up interleague play

normally, i think league transitions only have a small effect mostly because i don’t believe in the whole “league familiarity” jazz (but I do believe in differences in league strength), but maybe lee will go ape shit in the NL.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No....

But I go the Well Fargo seats again for the O’s game Friday. 4 seats in the 4th row behind the dugout with 2 parking passes. Holler!

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey bro, I'm gonna be there Friday as well

Let’s grab a couple beers at Pickles before the game.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Remind me later in the week and we’ll make it happen. I’ve still got your info on gmail and gchat, I’m assuming same goes for you.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I got you brah...

I’ll probably slide over to Pickles around 5ish. Going for my first Faidley’s visit before that…

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a brodown showdown at Pickles: Friday at 6

First Natty Boh shotguns are on me.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

HOTTIE REUNION…

You think Mr. Mirren can make it?

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

he'll have helen mirren on one arm

and an employee from hot topic on the other

carolina in my mind...

by Gamecock24 on Aug 2, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gee... thanks, I guess. Or maybe not.

“It’s the fans team I really mean that. I do,” he said. “Don’t think I didn’t think [Saturday] night about the fans. That’s the reason we get up in the morning and do everything we do. Obviously, it’s Peter’s team, and he feels like it’s the fans’ team, and I’ve heard him mention this every other sentence, and it’s why we do what we do,”

Pete has been doing this all these years for you and me. Problem is, I’m left feeling like the red headed step child.

by drj on Aug 2, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

we're numba one!

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really understand how they ranked them, but they're kinda funny.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see why the Giants thing is at the bottom, but Derrek Lee for Aaron Baker at the top?

Did dsciswe write this?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no mention of any souls being killed so I'm guessing no

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Baker doesn't strike out much.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

they aren't ranked by the trade returns

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently the new Batman movie is being shot directly across the street from my old apartment in Pittsburgh,

on the steps of my old lab. If i was still there, i could have watched it being filmed outside my window.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

You could have enjoyed Anne Hathaway running around in spandex at close range.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. Just, damn.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

He’s missing out.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

She got bounced in the first round of the Hottie bracket

Obviously she’s not hot enough.

Not that I’m bitter or anything.

by Holymittens on Aug 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

The whole movie on the steps of a lab! Those must be some awesome steps!

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Aug 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

Gotham City is Pittsgurgh?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The last one was filmed in Chicago.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea....its supposed to be New York, but I don't think they've filmed there in a long time.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought of Gotham as NYC

and Metropolis as LA

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Gotham is the DC version of NYC and Metropolis is the DC version of Chicago

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have it from comic book nerds

that it is the opposite. Gotham is Chicago and Metropolis is NYC.

by DaveAA on Aug 2, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now I have it from wikipedia

that they’re both amalgams of many cities.

by DaveAA on Aug 2, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are mixes of various cities

but DC Comics president and publisher Paul Levitz said Gotham is

“New York from 14th Street down, the older buildings, more brick-and-mortar as opposed to steel-and-glass.”

I’m going to go with him.

Frank Miller also said Gotham is basically NY at night, while Metropolis is NY in the daytime. So there’s that.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's what its supposed to be.

The first Batman was set in NYC, I think? I really don’t know, but I’m pretty positive the current “Gotham” is New York.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're all set in Gotham City

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the long...
Director Christopher Nolan51 worked with production designer Nathan Crowley to create the look of Gotham City. Nolan designed Gotham City to be a large, modern metropolitan area that would reflect the various periods of architecture that the city had gone through. Elements were drawn from Tokyo, Detroit, Hong Kong, New York City, and Chicago. Gotham has a seaside port. Alfred comments that the caverns beneath Wayne Manor that are to be converted into the Batcave were once used by a Wayne ancestor to hide escaping slaves in the Underground Railroad during the American Civil War. The automobile license plates shown throughout the film and in its sequel are based on Illinois’ license plate design, with what is presumed to be Gotham City’s Seal replacing Lincoln’s head. Its area code is the as-yet-unassigned 735.52

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It later says that there are Chicago buildings and such in the movie

I think Gotham city is supposed to be Chicago in Nolan’s movies, but its Gotham is supposed to be ambiguous in the comics.

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of like that it's a bit of a bunch of things

Creative geography that’s interesting in and of itself. Kind of like the movie Se7en, which was filmed in both Philadelphia and LA and had equal parts of both. Very visually interesting.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think for a little while, Metropolis was in Delaware

I’m sure duck would love that – the whole Delmarva as a giant suburb. I don’t think it was ever supposed to be on the West Coast, though. There are a ton of fictional west coast cities that could be LA, like wherever the Flash if from. Star City or something like that.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're pretty much heading that direction

Kent County is basically Anne Arundel East at this point.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

from wikipedia:
According to the Atlas of the DC Universe, Metropolis is located on the south end of Delaware Bay near the modern town of Lewes, Delaware. The Atlas shows Gotham City as being on the other side of the bay, near Cape May, New Jersey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(comics)

The comics change all the time, though. That was probably just a passing phase.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

why is gotham city in Jersey?

that ruins the map for me

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

because for a certain amount of time, that's where it was

this is all from some DC atlas published in the 70s. I don’t think the locations of these cities are static.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do they move when somebody pushes a giant ship wheel under the island?

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

since jersey is pretty much purgatory

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your face is pretty much purgatory

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

touche

and I will only take that kind of comment from you

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that establishes existing rapport!

Mods, I can not be held accountable for my actions caused by continued Jersey bashing.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never figured out where my "shoulda stopped" point is for Lost.

There is obviously one somewhere. But I don’t know exactly where.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The end of the second season

because no matter how good it was after that it was all downhill from there

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would say after the first season

after that season, i agree with andrew. there are a lot of little things that i loved about lost but the story just becomes…. silly once everything is “explained” at the end. for example, season 4 is completely useless and could have been excised from the plot and it wouldn’t have made a difference.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

In retrospect, because of the ending, season 2 wasn’t as great. But at the time it was pretty awesome. There were soo many questions and the plot was so intriguing. I thought it was better than season1 at the time. Obviously not the case now.

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i liked how they killed off paulo and nikki

otherwise, it was obvious they were stalling for time in season 2. although the michael subplot was awesome. and they never did explain why the others let go walt (although they sort of explained in an extra scene on the DVDs).

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are a lot of little things scattered about in Lost that I love

like Jeremy Davies’ character, or most of Desmond’s mindfuck episodes. But yeah, after the first season ends it gets really hard to watcg (at least, on a second go through. I saw the whole thing one time through).

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The watch/rewatch thing is a good point.

I watched it all when it aired and I don’t know that I would rewatch beyond the first season. Or if I did, I would skip a lot. I might watch the whole time travel season though. I can never get tired of time travel.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

PUT IT ON ME!

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

DC’s silver age was all sorts of wacky. A lot has changed.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, so Metrolpolis...

is actually REHOBOTH BEACH???

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn I can't type

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

ALSO - Kinda NSFW, possibly.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

while that used to be true

I don’t think that’s the current opinion. It’s not mine, anyway. Gotham is Chicago now.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I think your right

but I think it’s supposed to be a representation of huge cities like NYC or Chicago or LA (even though it obviously isn’t LA)

@sibsInExile

by SibiGnana on Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

odds of this study changing anything in the game?

I’ll say 5%. That seems generous.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, its interesting stuff

but baseball players think necklaces give them superpowers. There’s no way they’re going to change their at bat warm up routine.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I have two reactions:

First, this doesn’t exactly sound like the most scientific of studies:

Using a photo-sensor-measuring device, he gauged the bat speed of a series of college players. Each hitter took three practice swings before facing either live pitching or a pitching machine. Each pitch was thrown at roughly 75 mph. DeRenne repeated the exercise several times, changing the weight of warm-up bats.

Second, I think Nick Swisher says it best:

“Hey, each guy does what’s right for him,” says Nick Swisher, a New York Yankees outfielder. “How you feel matters most.”

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Showalter and MacPhail are running this team solely off "gut feelings"

How’s that working out?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha well when you're hitting how you feel actually matters

Not so much when assembling or managing a team.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using a photo-sensor-measuring device

Why didn’t they just use a radar gun?

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you train the radar gun

to ignore the ball and just clock the bat?

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Aug 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know, thought maybe it was possible.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

and also why aren’t they using a single pitching machine set at a much higher velocity? A hitter doesn’t swing 100% on every swing – the speed of the pitch matters a lot.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as they instructed the batters to swing 100%, shouldn't be a problem.

btw, i didn’t read the article.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think swinging really works that way

in the same way that trying to throw hard doesn’t result in faster radar gun readings.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can’t swing at 100% at will? you need to live 90mph pitches only?

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it helps

and surely 75 mph isn’t going to force anybody to swing hard. My wife could hit 75 mph pitches (eh…maybe not…).

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it may not force you to swing hard

but you still have the option of swinging hard.

And i tried to hit 75 mph pitches. i couldn’t hit them AT ALL. i fucking suck. i think i fouled one off. wiffed on all the rest. and now that i think about, i think the pitches were more like 70 mph.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Yeah 75 is not slow for somebody that doesn’t at least play semi-serious baseball, but these are college players.

In the league I play in now I’d say the average velocity is 78-82, and that’s made up of mostly ex-college and minor league players, but at least everybody played high school varsity baseball. Guys still strike out against the dudes throwing slower, but it’s usually because of changing speeds. For whatever reason there seem to be a lot of older lefty junk ballers in this league.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahah....I don't think I could throw 75 right now.

But I’ve got Markakis arms….

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

well throwing 75 is a different issue

but still if you ever go to “the bullpen” or whatever that place is called outside of the Nats stadium and check out the speed pitch tons of people are throwing 75.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna try, but I've fucked up my elbow something fierce.

Happened back in middle school baseball. Haven’t been able to crank it up since.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably your UCL!

I can’t do that shit either – I need to warm up for a solid 20 minutes before I even touch a ball and then throw for another 10-15 before I can put anything on it. At one of our games this summer the other team had a radar gun out, but they were only using it on their guys. I was pissed.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I throw a couple of pitches and it feels like my arm is going to fall off.

Incredibly sharp pain from the elbow.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which part of your elbow?

If you hold your hand palm facing up and trace a line from your pinky down to your elbow is it in that area?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It feels like its right in the middle of the elbow.

With the palm facing up, I get the most pain slightly below center.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

That’s strange. Hard to imagine an injury that could last for that long other than UCL.

When you say slightly below center do you mean where your bicep meets your elbow?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno what the "cap" of the elbow is called

But its on the outside of the elbow….almost like the kneecap. The pain I get seems to be right behind that towards the middle of the elbow.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I've totally got a radar gun

and a huge backyard. Ever find yourself bored in Salisbury, we’ll see how fast you throw.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I might take you up on that offer – I have another buddy who would love to get on a gun again who might be up for a drive. The problem is I’d probably have to catch him and I absolutely hate doing that.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you city folk didn't even own cars!

Think of the damage you’ll do to the environment by going down there!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could bike

but I’d be worried that certain anti-bikers on this blog would run us off the road.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That'd be a long-ass bike ride.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a baseball field no more than 2 miles from my house

It’s Little League,though. There is a HS field about 5 mil from my house I can get us on if needed.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you'll love this

It’s a Hot Wheels radar gun, made for R/C cars, but baseball an softball coaches use it all the time. Picked it up for $38 after shipping on eBay.

And it’s actually accurate.

It now retails for closer to $100.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's only part of it

why have non-constant pitching? It sounds like they are using a mix of pitching machines and live pitchers throwing “roughly 75 mph.” How can that possibly give you an accurate measure?

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

"A hitter doesn’t swing 100% on every swing"

Bryce Harper laughs at you mere mortals

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhat interesting thought for the day

Mark Reynolds is no longer the Orioles’ best statistical hitter on the season. That honor is now Adam Jones’ by a nose. But of course Mark’s defense devastates his overall value, and the rough evaluation that is fWAR has him at just 0.5. Compare that to Jones’ team-leading 2.7, and keep in mind that Jones’ defense is also hurting his overall value.

So, in following the train of thought that perhaps the Orioles should simply move Reynolds to DH and reap the rewards of having an actual valuable player, I went in and tinkered with the fWAR calculation. This involves giving him a lot of points back for his negative defensive value, but it also involved taking almost all of those added points away from him because of the positional adjustment that is made when fWAR is calculated…and Mark Reynolds: full time DH and one of the team’s best hitters would still only have an fWAR below 1.5.

The moral of the story: DHs aren’t that valuable unless they are literally one of the 25 or so best hitters in all of baseball, and Mark Reynolds just ain’t that. Maybe he can play a reasonable first base, though?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

How do his throwing/fielding errors break down for the season?

A quick Google search returned nothing and I’m just too busy to look it up right now. I feel like I’ve seen more fielding errors this year, which would indicate that a move to first might not yield better D. However he will have considerably less hard hit balls going his way at 1B, so it’s hard to say if the fielding can improve.

What would you ideally like to see for the rest of the season as far as who plays where? Bell-3B, Reynolds/Davis-1B/DH, Reimold-full time LF, never DH?

One thing’s for certain, Vlad just has absolutely no room on this team post-trade deadline, not that he did before. We now have to evaluate the ML-readiness of Bell, Davis, Reimold to a lesser extent in two short months and there is no room whatsoever for wasted AB’s for Vlad.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

buuut...

The net impact on WAR for the team is very positive, assuming Josh Bell/Andino/whoever plays better defense than Reynolds, we would gain the offensive difference from the horrible Vladi and the defensive difference from Reynolds.

Not the point you were making, I know, but you work with what you have, and ostensibly we’re trying to win baseball games.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

I’m really not that familiar with WAR or fWAR, but it’s my understanding that WAR takes the level of talent at each position into account, correct? So wouldn’t his WAR/fWAR take a dive if he moved to 1B due to the ridiculous amount of power in the AL at that position?

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can explain fangraphs at least, since I've been looking at it for a while

They factor out how many runs the player has earned batting, running, and fielding and add those together. Then there is an additional +20 runs per 600 PA which is the “replacement level adjustment” to compensate for playing time. Then there is the positional adjustment, which is basically my whole point. And on fangraphs it breaks down like so:

+12.5 runs for catchers
+7.5 runs for shortstops
+2.5 runs for second basemen, center fielders, and third basemen
-7.5 for right and left fielders
-12.5 for first basemen
-17.5 for DHs

and that is based on the fact that, at its most elementary level, playing catcher is harder than playing any other position, and therefore the talent pool is smaller. And while I could quibble with some of these things, I don’t think anybody could rightly argue that playing DH is harder than any other position. And therefore the bar for being a good player when you’re just a DH is that much higher.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree conceptually, question though:

are those adjustments based on anything? or just kinda…divined?

Like, what calculation was done to show that a catcher is worth exactly 5 runs more than a shortstop rather than 8 or 2.

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by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine fine, you get a rec

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

well played

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

off the top of my head I'm not sure

i know i’ve read about the details somewhere…probably on tangotiger’s website

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

DHs aren’t that valuable unless they are literally one of the 25 or so best hitters in all of baseball,

DING DING DING. A point that was brought a lot in the offseason with the Vlad signing. You have to Pujols like hitter to be really valuable as a DH.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everyone backed out on us..... totally sucks.

You never know though. It’s a fickle conference from year to year.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you hear the news last night?

Haukur Palsson is leaving to play professionally in Europe. We’re down to 8 scholarship players.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Read it on Testudo Times this morning. We’re screwed with 5 less scholarships than everyone else.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAWK?

NOIOOOOOOOOOO

Eh, If we suck this year but land shaq, mac, and the harrisons, I’m fine.

‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll

by TerroristFistJab on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha Palsson's leaving now too?

We’re punting this upcoming season. Gary pretty much assured that by not giving a new coach any time to recruit for 11. But just look at all those delicious scholarships we have available for the next few years. If Turgeon can get the twins and whoever else we’re going after for ‘12, we’re gonna go from sub-.500 record in ’11 to pre-season Top 25 in ’12.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the connections we have in place, there's no reason that dream can't be a reality

If we don’t get 3 to 4 of those 6 names in the next two years, I’d like to see Turgeon fired.

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleare seems to be a pretty solid commit, and maybe soon.

Which would definitely help with the twins. Jefferson is blowing up and could be a lot tougher than he seemed a few months ago. I’m still surprised were as involved with McGary as we are, and Anya is still too far away to really predict. Top recruits are tough, even great teams miss out on way more than they get. I’d be very happy if we get one in 2012 and the twins in 2013, and then fill in with some solid 4 stars.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the year after that...

FEAR THE TURTLE!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be our chance to walk on.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should have a contest

where each night they randomly select one person from the crowd to fill the last bench spot.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then what will they do for road games?

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't there a section desginated for the road fans for every game in the NCAA?

take someone from there.

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to not read the article

and assume that from a young age jose reyes’ parents called him jo-jo

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's got a 5.40 ERA. He'll fit right in!

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he also go only 4 to 5 innings deep per start?

I want to make sure our bullpen isn’t looking forward to getting rest. Got to keep their adrenaline up.

Mother, did it need to be so high.

by salvotion on Aug 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he's pitched 110 innings in 20 starts.

So that’s between 5.1 and 5.2 IP. Right in line with the Orioles’ average.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lefty

nothing wrong with adding an arm, notably a lefty. Will he replace Gonzo or Jako?

by dsciswe on Aug 2, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh hey buddy, didn't see you there

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by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'M NOT YOUR BUDDY, GUY

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE'S NOT YOUR GUY, FRIEND

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE'S NOT YOUR FRIEND, PAL

"Baseball is an island of activity in a sea of statistics." - Anon

by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah any lefty will do

who gives a shit if they’ve been awful in both the minors and majors in significant innings.

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by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a couple of corresponding roster moves coming today

Bergesen will be off paternity leave as well. It’s getting hard to keep track of this stuff.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it's tough to care when every move is bottom of the roster stuff.

Considering everyone on this team after the top 5 or so is more or less the 25th guy on the roster.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And let's not forget that Cesar Izturis might be activated tonight.

vomit

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leave salad man alone!

he has a gold glove!

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

MAXIMUM IZTURIS!

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Luke to the 60 man is one

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT

Luke to the 60-day is one

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

see, when I saw that I thought it said Jose and I was this close to freaking the fuck out.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a strong feeling this was coming

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Plan" is now complete.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

the cylons nod in agreement.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some teams make trades.

The Orioles pick up JoJo freakin’ Reyes off of waivers. That’s the difference between good teams and the Orioles. #HatsOffBAL!!!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is simply an embarrassing pickup.

I’d rather just toss Bobby Bundy out there and hope you hit the lottery.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

so the rotation

is now going to look like, what, Guthrie-Hunter-Arrieta-Reyes-Britton?

Can I still get a partial season ticket plan?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or, if you want less of a circus, see if Barnum & Bailey is still touring

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that no. 1 pick best watch its back, we're gunnin for it

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

REND... um...

who are we clamoring for this year again?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's such a bad idea!

He’s experience NO success in the majors, and only very little, intermittent success in the minors! What could go wrong?

by DaveAA on Aug 2, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

did i miss something or did weak sauce hit the DL?

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or wait, did he go back to the DR to deal with court stuff?

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

no wait, I've got it

six man rotation

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

use weak sauce over jo jo.

i must admit that i like saying jo jo sort of like RAPADA!

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Reyes better go to the bullpen, then

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's preferable no?

i mean i realize it’s two shit options, but i’ll take weak sauce over jo jo.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy

Don’t forget the write-up on the front page or Tracy’s gonna get mad again.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

already done, jerkface

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right Britton must stay up

At this rate he’ll make it through the first inning in the next 2-3 starts.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

300+ innings with a 6+ ERA

OMG

What the fuck man? This is simply depressing. Is this seriously a fucking joke.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FORMER TOP PROSPECT!!!!!

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"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

I wish this kid at least had a fluke season under his belt like Bergy so I could at least get my hopes up, but every single season of his is a shit circus.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who else we laughed about when he got picked up?

Jeremy Guthrie.

Also, there is no way in hell Jo Jo Reyes is ever as good as Guthrie.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guthrie didn't have as much of a major league track record as Reyes though.

Guts threw 37 MLB innings for Cleveland before they waived him.

Reyes has 304 MLB innings.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact: The Indians make dumb personnel decisions.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

fact, the Indians are two games out of first place

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some minor league teams could win that division.

If Ubaldo doesn’t work out too well for them, I will have to laugh at them.

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by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact: Fact, like other words, can be used before a comma.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

more you know.

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not what i remembered

guthrie ran of options because he signed a major league contract out of college. he was exposed to waivers much earlier than what the indians wanted.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. And the story goes it was Dave Trembley who told the O's to claim Guthrie.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he saw Guthrie a lot at AAA when he was Ottawa's manager.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it did

in fact, our very own SC shit all over him here.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like JP’s profile is no longer in existence. huh.

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"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s a theory, but that guy doesn’t spew enough vitriol to be JP.

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha....did he really delete his profile after that whole spat with Tracy?

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by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess he thought he was no longer welcome here

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

I remember looking through old comments (vainly re-reading my own old comments, I’ll confess) and I think his username has always looked like that on older posts.

But I am getting old and my memory may be going, so twss.

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think a lot of people had to create new profiles in 2008

I remember looking at some old-timer’s profiles, and they all had the same creation date.

The “new” JP profile still exists:

http://www.sbnation.com/users/Jonny%20Pops

by brek on Aug 2, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn... comments are closed on that article.

I was gonna go over their and talk a bunch of shit to a retired blogger!

by brek on Aug 2, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s an arm, though, and going into the spring you can never have enough of those in camp.

Seems pretty accurate to me. I mean as a waiver pick, a FREE pick up, there was no reason to shit on this pick up and don’t see it any shitting on it once you factor this in.

In their defense, this was a pretty low risk pickup
I got no problem with him. Hes a good risk;
Jerermy Guthrie will not turn into another Kofax, But part of the beauty of baseball is: you never know. Still, Guthrie is a gamble well worth taking.
Guthrie takes up a roster spot. He has no options. Let’s assume he’s coveted, as the O’s indicate. They have a small window to evaluate and keep him in the minors. If he doesn’t do well enough to make the team he’ll need to go on waivers. If he’s claimed, the O’s can bargain for a trade or accept a waiver fee. I don’t see a downside.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, there's also this:
It’s unlikely that Guthrie will ever be a factor in the major leagues, because he’s had some wild control issues in his brief stints in the bigs. His minor league numbers are rather crap, too: 4.40 ERA, 1.40 WHIP over about 570 innings.
Just what we need in the rotation, another fastball righty with control issues. WOOOO. Another failed former prospect running on empty in the potential tank. WOOOO.

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by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, i’m just saying there were plenty of people who saw it as a low risk, high reward pick up. the fact that people shit on it too doesn’t surprise me.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all I was saying

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVERYONE HELD THAT OPINION

Whatcha gunna do bout it?

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by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

play some bruce springsteen for you.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deep breath...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

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by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe tracy is on vacation.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure that means I'm in charge here.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch!

You cut me deep, man. You cut me deep!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't matter

everyone knows i’ve always been in charge of the camden chat shadow government. Its only a matter of time.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

She’s always like:

“Is it safe for me to come by… I wanted to stop by a couple days ago when the Yanks 15-run ruled your ass by the top of the 2nd, but thought I’d wait a couple days”.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I picked up the flip flop fly ball book

and there are two really great unexpected things in it: one is a picture from Birdland Day, and two is an illustration of “Kevin Youkalyptus” with a koala hanging on his arm.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

read my mind

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is awesome, rec'd.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you were...

you’d know it’s called the sub-committee

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

She left me in charge for a week, not that I'm doing anything different.

Although I did get to threaten to ban that Rangers guy yesterday, which was fun.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why that guy was here.

To tell us that their fringe major league players are actually really good and we’ll probably win a WS just because of them?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of referred to him as "one of the biggest idiots on the Rangers blog"

I would guess he felt the need to defend his honor. My b, yo.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was he googling his name or something?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably one of the other people on LSB was reading here and saw the comment.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that was dsciswe's cousin or something.

“I told you guys Derrek Lee was going to the Pirates!!”

Instead of that, we just had Rangers themed statements.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

who knows but he’s fat, let him throw 200.

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's penciled in yet.

But there’s no starter listed for Thursday, so maybe…?

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he almost got himself outlawed, huh?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would have been my first banning.

I guess I also threatened that random Yankee fan with banning too, but that guy was trolling and would have deserved it. Although he stopped when I warned him, so I guess there’s that.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he kind of stopped...

I think some of his questions were sarcastic.

Dude, you need to drop the banhammer at least ONCE during your interimship.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

with great power comes great responsibility.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over/Under on the amount of days until our resident scout hookup is banned?

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody is gonna get banned for being stubbornly old-fashioned.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta ban someone man...

Let’s hope some drunken Royal fan rolls in here tonight…

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should have a one troll limit

They can be fun sometimes. The moment a second one comes along, the oldest one gets the hammer

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda like the no Homers club?

‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll

by TerroristFistJab on Aug 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not being stubbornly old-fashioned.

He’s making shit up.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't ban him!

He’s hilairous! And speaking of hilarious, whatever happened to JP?

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Aug 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he's chosen not participate in CC anymore, but i'm not sure what the story is.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hates the communist manifesto CC Community Guidelines for the site.

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

I just remember him at the beginning of the season arguing with James F about how great this year’s Orioles would be. I really wanted to see the aftermath of all that.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Aug 2, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a loser mentality

Vlad has been AWESOME!

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet everyone is scouting him.

I wonder if there is anyone here who could share this information with me….

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

I almost went to that Renegades game you’re going to – I’m only a half hour from the stadium but I can’t make it….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh that's lame

I’m probably gonna go again next month for the last series (also against the Ironbirds).

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's great fun, I will attest

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody here likes old Westerns, then, huh?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

ISWYDT

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was too easy

when you start quoting rod steiger from duck you sucker, then I’ll be impressed

by PhilR8 on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a randomly weird thing to read yesterday.

I briefly stopped by, read that, made an awkward turtle, and peaced back out.

I guess it wasn’t his fault for not knowing we have our own connection to super secret scouting & analysis.

by Nafer on Aug 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

decided to change my sig.

w00t

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you only come here for cheap applause every time you change your signature?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no, but I feel it is very important to the community

that everyone knows the latest of my all important signature. You might disagree though. :P

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's be fun

but a struggle to keep up.

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a good one.

I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That one was just sitting on the tee for you.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Softball hit RIGHT at you.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats this mean?

I’d like to be in the know.

by IggesRule13 on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

you don’t know what “TWSS” stands for? how long have you been reading this site?

carolina in my mind...

by Gamecock24 on Aug 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just googled it

didn’t realize what it was short for…

"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)

by IggesRule13 on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cuz it's only 4 letters

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

good one (no sarcasm font)

"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)

by IggesRule13 on Aug 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being lame

But who should I be watching for Frederick tonight besides Machaod and Flacco (mainly because I’m a Ravens nut and that’s pretty cool).

Seems like everyone I was following there has moved on… Drake, Britton, Bundy…

by Wieters Wieners on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Schoop!

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

also I heard Randy Henry just got promoted

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Orioles' season?

by Andrew_G on Aug 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he did

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been really down on him

ever since i found out it wasn’t pronounced shoop

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So is Salt n Pepa.

Mother, did it need to be so high.

by salvotion on Aug 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Britton, Tillman, Matusz, Bergesen, Davis, Pie

Oh wait…..they’re not at single A?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give them another couple weeks

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got my housing assignment ....

I’m in the Honors Hall…. laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

This statement means nothing to me.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great

You’ll get to band a bunch of nerdy chicks next year. I’m assuming since you play ball that you’re adequately in shape, sociable, and comfortable around women… which will make you an alpha male in an honors dorm.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

band=bang

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of attractive nerdy chicks!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

nerdy chicks are great.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with what AMD said

some of those nerdy chicks like to put out too, just be sure to separate them from the herd early on.

besides, it’s not like you’re strictly confined to making friends within your dorm. i think you’ll be alright.

carolina in my mind...

by Gamecock24 on Aug 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

standing up and ...

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a similar experience.

Oh the missed opportunities…..

Now I’m old and still probably not wiser from the experience.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Aug 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha fantastic

Please tell me you were inspired by the LOLNFL posting on Kissing Suzy Kolber today

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, I only have one sports blog that I follow...

I couldn’t even imagine how terribly unproductive I would be at work if I followed more.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Aug 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

been waiting forever to use this one

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaaaaaand it didn’t show up

Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
"We’re not backing down, we’re not scared of them...them and their 180 million dollar payroll"
- Kevin Gregg

by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got ya...

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It still didn't show up.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it did for a moment

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funnyjunk.com

It’s just a bunch of pictures of Luke E

by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 2, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

The link takes me right to the picture.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is fucking brilliant.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, today's lesson...

I’m buying my 14 year old science geek daughter a freakin’ TASER for a HS grad gift.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't tase me bro

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about pepper spray?

a la Dwight Schrute? Believe it or not, in addition to wearing a rape whistle (Silver Spring, man) I do carry pepper spray in my purse.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'd buy here a Beretta .22

but she’s not allowed to purchase or own a handgun until age 21, and concealed carry permits are practically impossible to obtain for civilians in MD.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pepper spray is actually pretty effective

It subdues the attacker just long enough for you to run away and call 911 while you’re at it (that’s another thing—always carry a cell phone if you’re really worried). In the sketchy patches I have my cell phone in hand. Often times I call my dad and carry on a random conversation so people will leave me alone. It seems to work. I’m still paranoid, though.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 3, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just played "JISM" in Words With Friends

That should be automatic win.

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Aug 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

add another "S" next time
jism or jissom —n. taboo informal words for semen.

"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)

by IggesRule13 on Aug 2, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a "O"*

"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)

by IggesRule13 on Aug 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if anyone posted this but it just showed up on my news feed

(considering it was published on July 14th and I haven’t really been active on CC since camp started):

The Most Hipster Colleges

Now, Grinnell WAS on my list, actually pretty high up… but nuh uh. NO MORE.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Hint:

Don’t pick colleges based on HuffPo lists.

by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 2, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that.

But it’s also in the middle of fucking nowhere (yes, even more nowhere than Salisbury, duck). I’m not even sure if there’s a gas station in the town. I mean corn stalks don’t need gas so it’s no big deal, right?

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the ocean 35 minutes away

I’ll recover from the slight. :)

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was actually meant as a backhanded compliment.

Meaning, there are places more nowhere than your nowhere!

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My friend went to Grinnell and he said it was the biggest hippie school.

I’ve visited U of Georgia and can firm Athens is the huge hippie town.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hippie or hipster?

There’s a difference, right?

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hipsters shower

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Aug 2, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

hippies are one manifestation of hipsters. hipsters are just early adapters of anti-mainstream styles. hippies are an example of that from the 60s and a style which has managed to periodically reemerge as popular. i’m surprised NYU or some Portland university didn’t make the hipster list.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoops, looks like Portland State made the list, but not NYU.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about beatniks?

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Ginsberg FTW.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe beatniks are a bit earlier than the hippies and definitely a different crowd in terms of style and philosophy. but definitely another variation of the hipster.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really.

(had to study them in English class) They were the precursors of the hippie movement. Many of the leaders, like Ginsberg, went on to become leaders of the Hippie revolution of the 60’s. It started in the late 50’s and the beatnik movement ran concurrently, but really merged with the hippie movement. At the very least Ginsberg’s works were fueled by anti-establishment tendencies and a rejection of mainstream thought, and the whole idea of universal freedom, whether it be freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of sexuality etc. etc. These were all things the hippies believed in. I guess you could say that the hippie movement grew out of the beatniks.

Of course, Kerouac is famous for despising the hippie movement and wanting nothing to do with it, but I think he’s the exception, not the rule.

Now I may be totally wrong about this because my teacher was a douche but I’m just going to assume that he knew what he was talking about.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh? i said the beatniks were earlier than the hippies which you confirm.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but you also said they were a different crowd in terms of style and philosophy

That’s what I was disagreeing with.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, they were different

hippies were apolitical and drop out types (see Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test). beatniks were not. and i don’t remember jack kerouac wearing tie dyed t-shirts.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

...
Of course, Kerouac is famous for despising the hippie movement and wanting nothing to do with it, but I think he’s the exception, not the rule.

But more to the point, I think there’s a fundamental difference between identifying with a certain school of thought and actually wearing the tie-dyed shirts and getting high on acid with your deadhead buddies. They both identified with each other in terms of ideology. Just because Kerouac didn’t want to run around naked in remote meadows and sit around a campfire singing kumbaya doesn’t mean the beatniks didn’t have a lot of similarities to hippie ideology.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hippies were decidedly anti-ideology while the beatniks were not. that’s a huge difference.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm fine with seeing beatniks are precursors

but i wouldn’t conflate the two.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I don't understand how you can evolve from one movement by having a complete break in ideology

Then it doesn’t seem like movement B really evolved from movement A.

"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan

by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s strange to me that disco evolved into house music or that scott joplin evolved into the beatles, but it happens.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kerouac also hated beatniks.

IIRC, On the Road predated the beatniks by like a decade and he hated them and thought they’d completely missed his point, even though their entire schtick was due to him

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, from my own mind I don't think hippies are a manifestation of hipsters

Because the hippies weren’t just anti-mainstream for the fucking hell of it, like modern hipsters. Much of their distaste came from an anti-Vietnam War sentiment and the plastic-y, fake world that was 1950’s America.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much of their distaste came from an anti-Vietnam War sentiment and the plastic-y, fake world that was 1950’s America.

hippies were mostly a manifestation of a distaste for the suburbs and and as you say, plastic-y, fake world that was 1950’s America, which is pretty much the mainstream. they are no really no different from the pabst blue ribbon, vampire weekend listening hipsters of today.

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by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's too much of a simplification to pin down a social phenomenon

like the hippies to any thing as broad as “the plastic-y fake world.” That’s also a really broad simplification of the 50s.

by DaveAA on Aug 2, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course that wasn't an all-encompassing way to describe the 1950's

but that was the main part the hippies were objecting to.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a shorthand description, it's completely fine.

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by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

That’s the stereotype, but that’s like thinking all that was happening in the 80’s was terrible pop music. There was a lot more happening…

by DaveAA on Aug 2, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on dude,

for people who are chatting informally on a baseball blog?! it’s completely fine. this isn’t a debate published an academic journal. we don’t need to go into detail about qualifying descriptions and discussing every nuance or else it would make the conversation a pain the ass.

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by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote:

every fucking thing that has to be a fucking debate is a pain in the ass.

THERE. I said it.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

such a potty mouth.

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by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what my mother says.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said a word harsher than "darn" around my mother until I was 20.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

She curses.

I have fucking freedom of speech if she does!

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

just because you can something, doesn't mean you should!

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by birdman on Aug 3, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand, mother.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 3, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

tell your children not to walk my way

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by birdman on Aug 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should try to get this published.

Just a thought.

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by J(O's)elskIL on Aug 3, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I guess the hippies were too stoned to be smug bastards, then.

(yet, my dad still turned out to be one… hmm…)

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if you don’t believe me, read this book. hehe, i just saw that i’m thanked in the acknowledgments. the author was an old prof of mine.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Name dropper...

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 3, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

honestly didn't know my name was there.

but yes, you’re right.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, doesn't person have to have a name first before you can name drop?

and the authors thanks the secretaries so he wasn’t exactly selective in who he thanked in the acknowledgments.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Portland State made the list.

And there are so many, yet there can only be ten on this particular list.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hippies are all about love

Hipsters love themselves

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by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ANNNND...

There it is.

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by DCO'sfan on Aug 2, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, based on what my friend said, there are a lot hippies at Grinnell (i.e., kids dressed as if they’re ready attend woodstock) when attended back in the 90s. same with athens, ga. i visited berkeley a few weeks ago, and there are still a lot of hippies floating around there as well.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Pie!

but exactly 1 too many Vladdy’s batting cleanup

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Any time your name's in the same sentence as Dr. Lewis Yocum, that's some bad juju.

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you gotta be fucking kidding me.

The Andy MacPhail plan: "Grow nothing. Buy the pen," (Wieters Weiner 2011).

by birdman on Aug 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he gets fixed and is awesome next year.

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 2, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't sound like we're talking TJ surgery, at least.

Although I don’t know what kind of crazy shit is involved in removing a “fibrous mass” either.

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU MEAN SKIPPING SURGERY CAME BACK TO BITE HIM???

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by danielreese05 on Aug 2, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game thread time

http://www.camdenchat.com/2011/8/2/2340209/game-106-orioles-42-63-royals-46-62-8-10pm

Chen! Simon! It’s Orioles baseball on MASN!

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by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

(actually MASN2, probably)

"That ball is gone. We'll pause ten seconds to commit suicide ... I mean, for a station identification." - Joe Angel, 6/17/11

by Eat More Esskay on Aug 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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