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by zknower on Sep 1, 2011 6:35 AM EDT
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Recaps of last night's debacle from The Sun, the Other Sun, and just for kicks, Reuters.
Orioles introduce Dylan Bundy to Baltimore - baltimoresun.com
Bundy is excited to get back on the mound, blah blah blah. Plus injury updates (Roberts is long-tossing!), and callup speculation (VandenHurk! Accardo!). -zk
Baltimore Orioles revert to losing ways - ESPN
Jerry Crasnick sums it all up quite nicely. Except when he says MacPhail "...impressed the fan base by bringing in Vladimir Guerrero, Derrek Lee and other veterans...." I don't believe anyone was impressed by those moves. Not even the folks who said signing Vlad wouldn't hurt us (I was one of them, and I stand by that assertion). -zk
MLB - Baseball Prospectus on the impact of Orioles' deficient defense - ESPN
"Baseball Prospectus takes a look at the Orioles' deficient defense and analyzes its impact on the team's cadre of young pitching. The good news: It's fixable." Note: This is ESPN Insider, so someone with an account will have to login and explain how the 'good news' part works. -zk
School of Roch: Showalter and Reyes speak after 13-0 loss
Is Buck taking a quiet swipe at Andy? Re: Henderson Alvarez, he says, "You can see why they're excited about him. Another product of what they've been doing internationally, in Venezuela. He had command on both sides of the plate and a lot of great life, the ball running around. He was pretty impressive." Maybe I'm just reading too much into it. -zk
MacPhail likely done as O's GM - Baltimore Sports | Examiner.com
Some guy in the Examiner manages to pen an entire article about a one-sentence speculation: that Showalter may want 63-year-old John Hart, former Rangers GM, to replace MacPhail when Andy bolts. -zk
cOnstructed with financial assistance
The Wayward Oriole reports, via his Grandma, that Ed Smith Stadium may be used to house SarsOta's homeless population. -zk
Former Oriole and car-jumper Joey Gathright left the Yuma Scorpions to play in Pawtucket. Oh, and the Yankees got whipped by the Sox last night. Gee, I bet the Bombers could use a day off. Too bad. -zk
Wieters sits with discomfort in quad | orioles.com: News
"He had a little, we think, it was a cramp, a little quad discomfort, after the last tour of the bases," Showalter said of Wieters. "We knew he wasn't going to catch today or tomorrow [afternoon], one of the two games. So we gave him an extra day. He came in today feeling pretty good, all things considered. So, we will err on the side of caution there." Bear Bryant would have had him doing wind sprints in the desert. Kids today, I swear. -duck
Orioles Insider: Gonzalez has 'mixed reaction' to trade to Rangers
“It’s kind of a mixed reaction for me right now,” Gonzalez told reporters after cleaning out his locker in the Orioles clubhouse. “I’m excited. I’m going to go out there and I’m going to try to win a championship now, especially right now that I’m feeling good. That bad part is, obviously, I wanted to do more here in Baltimore. … I wish I would have been able to do better for the fans and things like that, but it is what it is.” You know, Mike, so do we. So do we. -duck
Phail-ure to launch: Orioles go nowhere | The Daily Times
"Should the MacPhail era end, I guess the question is, Was it successful?" Hmm. We're almost 30 games out of first place. I'm going with "No." -duck
Last-place Orioles remain stuck in familiar late-season rut - MLB - CBSSports.com Baseball
"Developing young pitching is a process," Showalter says. "Old scouts used to tell you it would be three years before you really know what you have. "I went through this in Texas with C.J. Wilson, and in New York with Andy Pettitte, and I can go on and name you about 20 more names." Any of those 20 names available for next year's rotation? -duck
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Rec'd for the "Bombers could use a day off" line
Started my day with a chuckle.
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
by Zeke McGeek on Sep 1, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is "hapless"
the opposite of “happy”?
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
Except when he says MacPhail “…impressed the fan base by bringing in Vladimir Guerrero, Derrek Lee and other veterans….” I don’t believe anyone was impressed by those moves. Not even the folks who said signing Vlad wouldn’t hurt us (I was one of them, and I stand by that assertion). -zk
I understand you are on the west coast, and therefore may not have your finger on the pulse of O’s fans outside of this little enclave, but people in this town loved the Vlad signing. If you weren’t onboard too, well, you were either a traitor or just a curmudgeon.
Is this snark? Because I recall it being a close 50/50 split (at least around these parts).
I was squarely in the middle.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
no.. i'm speaking specifically of fan's outside of Camdenchat.
the 105.7 types, if you will.
I couldn’t believe the love fest I was hearing that night he signed as I drove home.
by brek on Sep 1, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
That lovefest is still going on, as depressing as it is. People who either aren’t paying attention to the team, or have no idea what they’re talking about, still love Vlad.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I still love him
because I love that he has a Russian name for no reason. I hate him as an Orioles…
@sibsInExile
Remember Jen Royle trying to tell us how ENERGIZED the fanbase was?
Yeah, that’s what I remember too.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i was about the say same thing
i don’t know if “impressed” is the right word, but there were plenty of people who thought it was a good baseball move and were very excited by his signing.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
to be fair
if you were on board, the other side saw you as a dumb-ass who had forgotten about Sammy Sosa and who didn’t believe in aging patterns of sluggers.
It wasn’t really our finest moment as a fanbase.
Alright, whatever.
I think the funny part is how angry I was that it was taking at bats from Felix Pie,
which obviously didn’t work out too well.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
moldy was the person that i was mad about it
i still think it would have benefited his development to get more reps with the big boys. and moldy’s OPS+ is actually BETTER than Vlad’s, but of course, moldy has had less ABs.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
I don't remember that
But I do remember zk being kinda excited about Vlad, if memory serves.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
i WAS excited
i was never worried about him blocking Pie or Riemold, because injuries happen, and I knew they’d eventually get their due. Turns out that was all correct. And I thought that Vlad’s first half with Texas was worth taking a flyer on.
But I was never “impressed” with Andy’s incredible “wheeler-dealer skills” in getting Vlad. We bid against ourselves and overpaid.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Agree with all of this
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
zk, I know you're aware, but it's worth re-emphasizing:
There was no report that Vlad was getting more than even $5M offers from another team. We by all appearances and reports were already the high bidder and Vlad just had to choose between our offer or retirement. I saw no reason to budge but for some reason (and some people speculate this was Angelos) the O’s kicked in the $3M in deferred to sign him.
That was the most frustrating part. It was a bad idea on principle and we overpaid by bidding against ourselves. Then Luke was forced into left field, and he sucked there, and he was hurt and wasn’t hitting… man. Who could have imagined that happening? I dunno, how about EVERYBODY?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, to be clear,
i’m not calling out anyone’s opinion of the move or talking about the fruitful discussion we had here….
I’m just saying, many or even most people in Baltimore were impressed by the signing of Vlad. I obviously can’t play you back any recordings of talk radio shows around that time, but check out some of the comments on masn.com:
http://www.masnsports.com/steve_melewski/2011/02/a-report-of-a-guerrero-signing.html
http://www.masnsports.com/steve_melewski/2011/02/more-vlad-some-stats-facts-opinions.html
heh
Vlad came into the season with a .946 OPS? It’s .932 now.
Eh, reading all of that’ll just make me ticked off again for no reason. Suffice it to say there were a lot of overly strong opinions on both sides of the discussion.
Alright, whatever.
fair point.
i was obviously wearing the camden-chat colored glasses.
then again, it astonishes me that even the most idiotic 105.7 listeners could be “impressed” by the Vlad signing, since he had no other options, and we basically outbid ourselves to get him.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
it's astonishing to me that I listen to 105.7 everyday
in spite of all the astonishing things said there.
it's not like you were listening to the game the night before and never changed the station.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
I can't listen to my radio on the highway anyways
because my AC went bust and so I need the windows down. My speakers used to be so good and now they’re toast as well.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
I don't remember anywhere outside of CC that was seriously negative on Vlad.
Probably Moroz was. Even a lot of the blogs seemed to buy in, and even on this blog many people bought in. I felt very weird to be negative about it. I wondered if there was something wrong with me.
I wrote this article at the time, and towards the end I wrote this paragraph:
I want to get excited, but then I think of Vlad’s knees, Derrek Lee’s wrists, Brian Roberts’ back, Kevin Gregg’s 1.39 WHIP in 2010, Adam Jones’ inability to lay off the down and away pitch, Luke Scott’s likely regression after a career year, the fact that I might have to put up with another year of Mark Hendrickson on the roster, and, oh yeah, the possibility that the young pitching we’ve pinned all our hopes on could either get hurt, or suck.
Sometimes it’s just not fun being right. Although for 100% accuracy I guess I would have had to call out B-Rob’s concussion issues rather than his back, but hey, close enough.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Jonesy was also a nice surprise.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
He's still predictably bad at that down and away pitch, though.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s had a very good year, but that’s still frustrating as hell to watch. The other night the O’s were down 3-1 to the Yankees with two outs in the 8th. J.J. hits a home run to make it 3-2, then Nick walks. Robertson gets to 0-2 on Jones and I say to my boyfriend, “and now you throw him a ball low and away to strike him out.” Robertson threw him one and he just managed to lay off, then he threw the exact same pitch and Jones chased it for strike three.
I mean, if I’m some person sitting on my couch and I can predict that with such accuracy (and it’s not the first time I or many of us have done that), it doesn’t bode well for Adam.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
on the plus side
he used to swing at all of those pitches. now he lays off half of them.
so….. he’s moving in the right direction?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Jones swings at more pitches this season than he ever has in his career.
Though his K-rate is down, as is his swinging strike percentage. I think what that means is he has a lot of bad pitches where he makes contact but it’s not solid contact, and he would be a lot better off if he could lay off those pitches as well.
I don’t think he is moving in the right direction. I think he is what he is, which is a player who is good but not great, but you look at him and you think he should be great and it’s frustrating that he’s not.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I hated it.
Still do. Of course, one of my main reasons was because I wanted to see what Pie could do. We found out that he blows anyway, but I’m still not happy about the signing.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Sep 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Regarding the ESPN Insider Post
I’m going to hide it, which will subsequently hide all of the comments attached to it. If someone wants to repost a few quotes from the story, or a paragraph, that’s fine. But I’m not comfortable with an entire article being posted when that content is from a subscription site.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
oh, I didn't realize that that was what that was
in which case, yeah don’t post that outside the OT
Alright, whatever.
You've been suspended for two games, dude.
Sorry. We’ll now hear any appeals.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Leave the casino
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Woooo new office.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Just realized the playoffs in the Yahoo fantasy baseball league have been going on since Monday.
Best. League. Everrrrr.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
so i have a confession to make
i haven’t watched an O’s game since I went to one during the White Sox series at the beginning of August. i still get text alerts for every run that’s scored in a game, but i have not tuned in to an O’s game on TV at all. i don’t know if that makes me a bad fan or just smart to avoid the perpetual disappointment, but i’ll accept your ridicule either way.
carolina in my mind...
ok good
after seeing EME talk about how he was listening to games on the radio by candlelight since he didn’t have a TV, it made me question my fandom a little bit. just wanted to get it off my chest.
carolina in my mind...
EME is clearly a freak
I mean, I am too, but I totally understand people who stop watching. It’s not really that fun.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
It's actually good for your health to not watch
when I was still in the US, I would watch every game I could for no reason at all, and I swear to god my lifespan shortened by atleast 3 years in that time.
@sibsInExile
Yeah, the thing you have to remember about me is I'm crazy.
So really, if you’re sick of this, don’t sweat it.
The thing is, I’m sick of it too, but I still can’t stop watching. I don’t know what it is about me.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
the first step is admitting you have a problem.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I didnt re-up my MLB.TV
and while I watched the Yankee series (since it’s on up here), I haven’t watched much else. I still follow what happens every day, but I’m not paying for this shit right now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
well put
i’ve had my attention turned to college football and the NFL for the past month or so, can’t wait for the next couple of weekends.
carolina in my mind...
for the ravens, yeah i'll be going to a few
my gf’s dad has season tickets so i’ve already been told that i should get to go to about half of the home games. as for as South Carolina, i’m working on planning a trip down there some time in October to catch a game. i went down last year for the first time since i graduated and i also got to go to the SEC championship game in Atlanta (which sucked since we got demolished, but still a great experience overall). this year should be even better if you believe all the hype about the team.
carolina in my mind...
I am sure the championship game was sweet
hopefully penn state can make it to the big ten championship. Indy in november though…
your dad has season tickets and you can only go to half of the games!? haha.
"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)
it's my girlfriend's dad
her and her sister alternate turns bringing someone along to the game, so i’m going to get to go to either the Steelers game or the Jets game to start the season
carolina in my mind...
also, it's still weird that the Big 10 will have a championship game now
all this conference realignment crap is starting to get confusing
carolina in my mind...
i still can't believe they're seriously going through with those as the names
carolina in my mind...
so many jokes about this
the leader of the legends are going to play the leader of the leaders whose legends are leading.
That kinda stuff…just awful.
"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)
It's also stupid how there are 10 teams in the Big 12 and 12 teams in the Big 10...
I just can’t get over that. Seems ridiculous.
soon to be 9 teams in the Big 12
it’s only a matter of time before Texas and Oklahoma jump ship and head over to create the Pac 14
carolina in my mind...
I get the branding aspect.
But, it’s a good example of how care should be taken when selecting a name intended to last a long time.
At least the Big East
went with the directional approach.
"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)
How do you get the text alert thing?
I’m interested.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Sep 1, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
it's through ESPN
and it’s free. i get them for O’s games, Ravens games, and South Carolina games
carolina in my mind...
i also get fantasy alerts for baseball and football
which is helpful cause it will let you know when a star player isn’t in the line-up, or when a guy doesn’t practice cause of an injury
carolina in my mind...
When it comes to the Orioles, I can relate to Doyle Lonnegan here.
THERE’S BEEN A MISTAKE! GIMME MY MONEY BACK
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
THERE'S A COUPLA DEAD GUYS IN THERE!!
WE CAN’T HAVE YOU MIXED UP IN THAT!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
MacPhail
I think the main difference between the MacPhail era and some of the previous years was that we had prospects that most baseball people thought were going to be good. Other disinterested parties thought we were on the right tract. In other words, that we were finally using the right process (at least for our longer-term acquisitions), even if the results turned out to be the same in the end.
Lots of people liked Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and Britton. Lots of people like Dylan Bundy and Manny Machado. Sadly, the first four all hit setbacks this year. But I’m not sure that was foreseeable. In that sense I think the Orioles were more unlucky than bad. I remember in previous years O’s fans would try to convince ourselves that the likes of Jay Gibbons, Chris Richard, Brandon Fahey, Hayden Penn or others I’ve forgotten were going to be long-term solutions, even though wider opinion said they were AAAA players or stopgaps. Back then, in retrospect, we simply were making suboptimal decisions.
Of course the front office under MacPhail made mistakes, as every team does. Most of these seem to be short-term mistakes—various bullpen signings, Guerrero, Lee. I think the biggest deficiency (and it’s a big one) is the failure to stockpile draft picks the way the Rays and some others have done.
Still, overall, I think the franchise has been making better decisions the last few years, even if they didn’t work out, or haven’t worked out so far. While there is room for improvement, we have to be careful not to revert as well.
I think the picks have been okay
it is just failure to stockpile develop draft picks the way the Rays and some others have done that I always come back to.
"Grow nothing, buy the 'Pen" (Wieters Weiners)
Prospects don't pan out all the time
It seems like the Orioles do a poor job of developing prospects (and they probably do) but one of the biggest issues was that Andy MacPhail always seemed like he was counting on all of the prospects to meet their potential, and we all know that never happens.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
I think what it comes down to
What the Orioles needed and still need is to do what they say, which is to mimic the Rays (and the Red Sox….and now the Blue Jays) and turn their entire farm system into a machine that is constantly churning out new players. What it felt like happened is the O’s invested heavily into the draft (and the only the draft) and then basically sat back after two years of that and said “Done!”. They didn’t go all-in on filling up the system, and then they simply relied on the first wave of guys to pan out.
Alright, whatever.
Do you think our board could collectively manage the Os better than the current regime?
Serious question.
I think we all would have for sure not paid Gregg, Gonzo, Vlad. Not sure if we would have brought on D-Lee which at the time wasn’t as much of an enigma as it became.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I know for certain we would have avoided 3-4 of the biggest mistakes this front office has made.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But on the other hand, we probably wouldn't have pulled off the Hardy/Bedard/Tejada/Reynolds.
I guess we’d be like the party of ‘no’. We’d recognize the bad moves though.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Derrek Lee
I don’t think Lee was a mistake. He was amazing on defense at first, and he turned in a solid enough offensive performance. Not exactly the powerhouse you want in a corner IF, but he hit 12 HR in half a season.
There really weren’t a lot of options for 1B. People point to Luuuuke, but he never looked comfortable over there. Maybe Reynolds (who seems to be enjoying his new role) should have been moved over earlier, but which of you would have really said, “and move Andino over to third” at the start of the season?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
There's nothing even remotely solid about an OPS+ of 93.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well at least it isn't an OPS+ of 58
Can you imagine if we bested the 5/56 offer on Adam Dunn?
Or an OPS+ of 53 in 177 AB’s which the Nationals are paying 2/16 for out of Adam LaRoche.
We had options this winter, we chose Derek Lee for 1 year… we could have done a lot worse.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Yeah the fact that i wanted Dunn and was mad that we didn't get him last offseason
Makes me question my judgement. It’s also good to know that even with how shitty things are, they could ALWAYS be worse as long as we’re not paying the worst hitter in the league $10 mil for 5 seasons.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
suckers!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Sep 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
know what's funny?
the guy the O’s wanted the most out of all of these guys would have been easily the best choice: Victor Martinez.
Not that we’d be watching really good baseball right now or anything, but they at least identified the guy they thought would be best…and who was.
Alright, whatever.
He would have been my last choice
Don’t ever hire me as GM.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
not at the price that he got.
OLD PLAYER SKILLS!!!!!
And yes, if he’s still sucking a year from now, I’m concluding old player skills. Right now, I think Dunn’s just having an off year combined with league transition difficulties.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
I also think he didn't do anything over the offseason
I think he alluded to that earlier in the year.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
i also wanted him!
and was angry that we didn’t get him, or make a more serious effort. I was all set to do a FP on Andy’s RH hitter bias as the reason we didn’t pursue him more seriously. Alas, laziness prevailed.
Both are acceptable variants with the "judgment" spelling preferred in American English.
Mother, did it need to be so high.
Suck it Duck
Spellcheck didn’t correct me so THERE
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll take your word for it
remember it isn’t just what’s league average and what’s not. it’s who was available at the time, and if they were a masher, how well could they play 1B?
I’m curious who you would have put over there instead.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
actually, that's who i would have played
obviously, he wouldn’t have been good, but it’s about developing a player.
Also, I saw that Sickels did a write up on Jesus Guzman. If he’s minor league free agent, he’s a good guy to do “take a chance” contract in the offseason.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
Regardless of the league he barely had an OPS over 700
I would have preferred Reynolds at 1st and Andino at 3rd for the whole year.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
but you probably wouldn't have said that on March 1
which is the point. In hindsight, there were a litany of issues. But heading in, we weren’t really going to stick Andino at third, were we?
Alright, whatever.
Well you don't explore issues when you sign old dudes that can only play one position.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Andino playing 3B didn't even sound like an option at the start of the year.
We didn’t imagine Andino would be playing anywhere at the start of the year. He was the backup 2B/SS and he’s instead turned into the only player who’s remotely exceeded expectations on the team. That’s great for Andino. I like Andino. Right now I think Andino at 3B is probably our best choice for the last month of the season.
In April, or March, you would have been called crazy to say this, and rightly so.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Andino has a movie review thing that runs during games now apparently.
On Tuesday they showed him reviewing “Cool Runnings.” After that, I began to like him.
in my head
I’m picturing as a kind of “Drunk History” with Andino recounting these movies’ plots. And that is hilarious. Too bad baseball is a stupid “family sport” and whatnot.
Alright, whatever.
Did he like it?
His score for Cool Runnings was thus:
“I give it… a nine out of ten. No, wait. Ten out of ten — it was a good movie.”
some of the audio is tough to hear from the press box
but he did appear to like it. I liked the video at the beginning of him eating popcorn.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
The thing about Lee is that he didn't look like a mistake at the time.
People – everybody even here – imagined his 2010 numbers, which were supposedly down numbers due to his wrist injury issues, as being the floor for this season. Like at the worst he would be that, but there should have been a good chance he would rebound to something better.
Then he turned out WORSE than 2010. One year of Lee wasn’t bad, though. Who else would have played 1B? I wanted Brandon Snyder or Reynolds or somebody once it was clear Lee was sucking this year, but at the start of the season it wasn’t a bad one. He wasn’t blocking anybody worthy or anything. The O’s traded him before the deadline and because he got hurt after, didn’t even have to send a lot of money as Lee didn’t/won’t earn many of the PA incentives I was worried about.
Lee turned out to be a pretty bad signing but it could have been much worse than it was.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh this is all true
I was just saying he wasn’t solid at the plate.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah I don't think anyone could have predicted he'd be so bad at the plate.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
The thing about Lee is that he didn’t look like a mistake at the time.
People – everybody even here – imagined his 2010 numbers, which were supposedly down numbers due to his wrist injury issues, as being the floor for this season. Like at the worst he would be that, but there should have been a good chance he would rebound to something better.
Um, I’ve been on the Mike Napoli train for awhile now. I did not support the Lee signing.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
I think this brings up a lot of good points,
But the problem is the Orioles really sucked in 2011 and there are virtually no meaningful prospects in the upper levels of the minor leagues.
If this were 20 years ago, MacPhail would be making a series of good movies. I don’t think any GM in the game could have gotten more for Bedard and Tejada or acquired Hardy and Reynolds for so little. But that’s not enough. And that’s the problem. MacPhail wanted to “grow the arms” but did he think to evaluate the people who were helping develop these arms?
Still though, MacPhail is right that the Orioles need to develop more talent.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
are we unaware that Mark Reynolds hasn't been hardly any good?
And is about to get expensive enough to need to really step up his game to actually earn his paycheck?
Alright, whatever.
I'll take his solid OPS,
I still struggle accepting WAR due to issues with UZR. Obviously he has to improve defensively, but again, he was acquired for 2 relievers.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Sep 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so ignore the UZR
no matter what you use, his defense has to rate horribly. He doesn’t look good over there, his advanced stats are horrible, his non-advanced stats are horrible. He has been horrible in 2011 at fielding the baseball. And he’s been good (not great) at hitting the baseball…but you have to take away from his production what he gives back with the glove. Even in a non-specific way, that leaves him decidedly not good.
Alright, whatever.
What about at first.
Apologize for sounding ignorant because I have no hard data, but he’s looked decent over there (by the meaningless eyeball test anyway).
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't have nearly as much time there
and he’s been below average though not horrendous. The problem though is that (breathes in, prepares to duck) his bat doesn’t play as well at first, which also lowers his overall value to the team. And even if it didn’t, the money being spent on him won’t equal the production he’ll provide unless he bursts out with a real monster season (which is totally possible).
I can already hear birdman saying that he’s more valuable than david hernandez, and he’s probably right…but its the money (and lost utility) that drags him down for me.
Alright, whatever.
I completely understand his bat not playing as well at first.
You gotta have different expectations from different positions.
In any case, I’m less worried about him being totally equal to his value, as the Os will seldom ever get what they pay for since we have to overpay FAs to come here. I think he can be effective at first and I’d live with his offensive numbers there if we had a repeat of this season.
In any case, he looks almost adequate at first.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But what about his golden locks?
That has to earn him a few points.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
i think it's probably a wash between reynolds and DH value wise
and if consider that we don’t have a replacement level player at 3B, reynolds maybe would even provide more value. but i would rather keep DH because i believe in stock piling young pitching so we can avoid jo jo reyes taking starts. that said, the trade didn’t bother me that much. i would rather keep DH but i’m not losing any sleep over getting reynolds.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
I missed the game yesterday
How’d it go???
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Do you have any Blue Jays on your fantasy team?
If so, it went well.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i saw in the box score reynolds had a throwing error
was he at first? Is this the end of the Mark Reynolds Gold Glove dream?
I'm looking at all-time Orioles OPS+es right now
there’s some weird fun facts in there:
Luke Scott and Miguel Tejada have an identical OPS+ (Tejada’s raw OPS is higher and he played in basically twice as many games, but still).
Should-be-a-HoFer-Bobby Grich hit relatively better than Robbie Alomar (127 vs. 122)
Adam Jones has a matching OPS+ to Marty Cordova (among others).
The Orioles employed someone named Bruce Campbell in the 1930s (which is groovy).
Blake Davis hasn’t played much, but he has hit as well as Glenn Davis.
Okay I’m done.
Alright, whatever.
by Andrew_G on Sep 1, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
BTW, I missed this discussion by a couple of days, but I kindly request my rec'ing stats.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
I asked the other day
but didn’t get an answer; are these for CC only or all of SBN?
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Sep 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's just CC
On your account page it’s broken down by each blog that you belong to.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
Cool.
I’ve noticed that most of our users are fairly stingy with the recs.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Sep 1, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like I am
I’m nervous to check though because I’m quite sure I"ve only received like 6 recs.
Tommy hunter still sucks!
you can't have a worse ratio than me
I don’t know my recs received but it’s gotta be something like 100:1 given:received.
more like 10:1
1130 given / 122 received
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
you are a rec whore when it comes to giving
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
by zknower on Sep 1, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
134 given/104 received
and two “inappropriate” flags.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I was curious about mine, too... if it's not too much trouble
And wondered if the totals that you see include stuff that is no longer available. I remember I responded to RavensCapsO’s story about becoming a White Sox’ fan, and got a lot of recs… he subsequently took down his FanPost. Did that remove my post and recs from the history of CC?
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
i doubt we can figure that out
but you’re at
41 given / 58 received
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
by zknower on Sep 1, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
69 given / 38 received
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
funny looking maybe
(drum snare)
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
Thanks for looking it up for me!
Rocking a .112 REA (after this comment)!
I’ll try to be less stingy giving them out in the future… if I’m gonna lurk, I might as well rec those who comment more often and keep this blog exciting to follow… starting now.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
If you have time,
can I get my stats too? I can’t get any SB Nation sites at my day job, but am off today!
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Don't try too hard to be funny
you just need to be funny easier
by kba26 on Sep 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
bwahahahaha
i will jump in to make it green!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Tis better to give than receive.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Sep 1, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My work computer does this weird thing
where the z key (or any of the other commands, like Shift+A) doesn’t work until I post a comment. Does anyone have any idea why that would happen? It’s not exactly like I can tell tech support, “The z key on my baseball blog doesn’t work right.”
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
Mine's similar,
but it works once anyone posts a comment. I assume it’s some script-blocking thing, or the fact that I still have to use IE 7.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
I'm on IE8
It’s annoying, but it’s the only thing on this machine. My old machine had Firefox at least.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
IE8 here, and it used to work fine
It’s a recent thing where it takes awhile for the Z to work for me. Sometimes it doesn’t even work after I post something, and today it started working after about 5 min.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
I have the same issue on my work computer
if I wait until somebody replies, then click in their little black announcement box, it works fine after that
it just started this week
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think." Ian Anderson
WE'RE SAVED!
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going to the game this afternoon.
I get $5 off for riding light rail. I can probably sit wherever I want. This is a good deal even if the game sucks.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Sep 1, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Grrrr
I’m going to a wedding Saturday and the groom’s dad initially got a Suite for tonight’s game which the whole wedding party was invited to. But he cancelled it and got a refund when the game was moved to the afternoon. Stupid toy race cars.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know if this is confirmed...
But ‘The Outside Corner’ says:
“Daniels decided that it still wasn’t enough and went out at the waiver trade deadline to bring in yet another reliever. This time it was lefty Mike Gonzalez being acquired for a minor league reliever Pedro Stop.”
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
Matt Wieters
In August he hit .302/.381/.570 with 8 2B, 5 HR, and 10 BB (10.3%). I know it’s only one month, but it makes me happy.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
It's pretty amazing that he has only 52 RBIs on the season, despite going 15-16 to start the season with RISP
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
for the year
He’s hitting .356/.436/.586 with RISP. However, less than 25% of his PA come with RISP. Of course, he’s hit in the lower part of the lineup most of the year and always behind Vlad. That’ll clear the bases ahead of you a lot.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
Its almost like RBIs have more to do with where you hit in the lineup than your actual performance
Can someone look into this? Andrew?
Andrew's employers will fire him if he ever mentions RBIs
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
And now..
his work webpage filtering system just blocked this page because you mentioned RBI.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Sep 1, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for here?
Yes, middle of the lineup positions tend to have the most RBI and batting positions (in no order) 1, 8, and 9 tend to have the fewest RBI. You can look that up on baseball reference if you’d like.
But I wouldn’t bother because it’s obvious, isn’t it? Normal lineups feature the most runners on base for the 3-4-5 hitters and the fewest runners on base for the 8-9-1 hitters because the hitters tend to get significantly worse towards the bottom of the lineup.
In Baltimore in 2011 however everyone has pretty much the same number of RBI (roughly 60-70) except for the 9 hitters with 40 and the cleanup hitters with 50. Which is not even remotely surprising since the primary 4 and 9 hitters, Vlad and Andino (I really want to just type Vlandino here), are the two worst primary hitters on the team.
Alright, whatever.
I'm thinking it was snark.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Sep 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From watching him and listening to the play by play this year I've been pretty pleased with his progression
So he’s done well in my book. And they say catchers take longer to develop, though I have no idea if that’s actually true or what that’s really supposed to mean…
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Best month of his career by far.
Also his left/right splits are fucking absurd this year. Might be something to think about if it keeps up…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Funny thing is, his platoon split is a reversal of his splits coming into this year.
If I remember right, when that BP article called him a bust, the writer cited his platoon split to say the Switch-Hitting part of SHJ doesn’t hold up. That isn’t entirely fair, since switch hitters are like other batters and tend to have platoon splits, but his were dramatic. And this year they’re still dramatic, just in reversal.
KLaw's chat is being quirky today,
so I can’t see the question, but there’s this:
Klaw (1:17 PM): No clue. Also keep hearing Joe Jordan will step down as scouting director.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
I don't know why, but I hate the Stockstills.
The shit they are in charge of has been completely broken. Might not be their fault, but they gotta go. I wouldn’t mind seeing a clean sweep. That would REALLY signify a changing of the guard. Quit shuffling lawn chairs.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It could happen
But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Stockstills stayed right where they are unless they choose to leave. They appear to be under the protection of Peter Angelos.
Giraffes have absurdly strong necks.
Did you see a couple years ago they swapped jobs... maybe last season.
Isn’t that a little odd?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. it is.
and it doesn’t speak highly of either their job performance (since they could both change jobs without it being a detriment to the organization) or of their accountability (since the organization wanted them out of their positions but didn’t fire them). Or at least that’s the pessimist’s view.
Alright, whatever.
For sure
I mean, it seems like International Scouting and “Player Development” are VASTLY different fields. I couldnt just switch jobs with the person down the hallways here adequately. Let alone a high profile sports job. If that doesn’t speak even more to the joke of a front office we have, I don’t know what does.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, considering that the O's apparently suck at both,
no harm done by swapping them.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
I just wanna know
which of them ALLEGEDLY bailed out a kid of PGA in his time of need (and possible incarceration). ‘Cause that’s the only possible explanation in my book. That, or something involving a LB/DG.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
What I'm really curious about
is just how much influence Buck is going to have on the selection of the next GM. I really don’t have a clue how his organizational philosophy differs from Andy’s… but I don’t have a lot of confidence that we’re going to pick up anybody that’s significantly more of a “21st-century” GM.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
see above in the droppings
where some guy thinks Buck has PA’s ear and will lobby for John Hart.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and a little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
which would make buck an unnamed assistant GM, ugh.
meaningless game in a mostly meaningless season of meaningless meaninglessness. emperor nobody, A's Nation.
Jordan and Hobgood
So Jordan has picked Snyder, Rowell and Hobgood on one side, and Wieters, Matusz and Machado on the other side. It sure feels like the last group were the right picks at the time (and Bundy too), but the first group, well, that’s part of why the team sucks now.
I guess it’s time for him to go to, but I have a hard time blaming him due to having no confidence in the Orioles to develop anyone who is even modestly talented.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
by dfa on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea...just saw that.
Its not like people were really avoiding him in drafts anyways. I’ve done 3 drafts and he went top like 4-5 in all of them.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I have Arian, Jamaal Charles and MJD
But the rest of my team is pretty gross.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Three different teams right?
I’d love all of those guys on one team haha. You’d need a salary cap for FF!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Its an auction draft - $200
I spent $68 on Arian
$63 on Charles I think
$42 on MJD.
So I had like 30 bucks left. I did get Eli, Welker, and Sidney Rice.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably overpaid for MJD.
You better hope those guys rock because you don’t have much outside of that. I guess that’s the risk you take when you go for those top guys though.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yeah... Crosby kicker, Baltimore D, Zach Miller TE
Bench – Fred Jackson, Steve Smith (CAR), Plaxico, A.J. Green, Roy Williams.
Hopefully one of my bench WR make a run at it.
I know people hate hearing fantasy teams but I’ve been dying to tell someone.
I’m the master of the waiver wire though so I think I’ll be ok.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuck.
Better hope those RBs are amazing. AJ Green might be good, but who knows who will be throwing at him in Cincy.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yeah
But I figure one WR at of the group should rise to the top:
I mean Steve Smith (Car), Sidney Rice, AJ Green, Plaxico, Roy Wiliams.
I dont need them all to be good, just ONE of them.
And those 3 RBS are 3 of the Top 8 overall players. I think I’ll be alright. I’m projected (which means nothing I know) to get the most points in Week 1 with 107. Of course it hasn’t updated yet that Foster may be out.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
Still better than my team. Ben-fucking-Jarvis Green Ellis as my 2nd back? Fuck having the 12th pick.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You know my theory on this..
Fucking snakedrafts are the worst. Go do a mock auction draft on ESPN.. it only takes like an hour and change (or do it some other time). Even those are a good time. I mean, is it really fair you got Benjarvus and some lucky guy got AP with your first picks. You immediately start off in the hole. I know, I know… but you get the first pick coming down… but that doesn’t make up for it. FF is more top heavy than that.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I’ve got Andre Johnson and LeSean McCoy too, but the pool was totally dry by the time I made my third round pick.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You got Andre at #13? Shit thats good.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never picked a WR that early before.
In my other draft, I got Johnson towards the end of the second round. The next WR picked was nearly a round later.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Most of my books had him around 9
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And when the Fuck did you get McCoy
I have him 6-7 almost everytime.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
13th.
I had 12th pick, so back-to-back 12th and 13th. I’m fine with all of that…its the not pick again until the end of the 3rd round where everyone good is gone part that kills me.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Dude, you made out awesome with McCoy and A. Johnson at 12th-13th
I don’t know if you put much stock in lists on espn and magazines and stuff. But I check out like 5-6 different hot lists, and they are both like 6-9th in every single one.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't put any stock in them.
Johnson will almost assuredly get hurt (I say he’ll miss minimum 2 games). If Philly’s line holds up, McCoy could be the “steal” of the first round.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i did a draft for a 10 team league on monday night
and CJ fell to the third round(!) so i got him and Jamaal Charles
carolina in my mind...
Seriously.
Did people not think he was going to play? Morans. They deserve to lose. They should also get brains.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I saw perfectly reasonable predictions that he could miss up to 5 games
I wasn’t expecting to see him before week 3.
WTF
Where in the hell were you hearing that?
I watch this shit non-stop and they were saying he could MAYBE miss week 1 but that both sides knew they had to get it done. I never once doubted they were both just stalling but would get a deal done before week 1.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Same.
Clearly those predictions were not perfectly reasonable.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Foster's gonna eff me
Our league is uber competetive. Winner gets over $500 and more if he wins the division and the pride factor is huge. Travelling trophy and all.
Foster posting his terrible MRI on twitter made me sick to my stomach. And Welker is already banged up. And my mortal rival had a fantastic draft.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't hear about Foster's MRI, but that's why I skipped him w/ 1st pick in my draft the other day.
I’ve got Welker in two leagues. He seems to be okay and should be ready for week 1.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He posted it on Twitter...
And the MRI pretty much revealed he was out 3-4 weeks. The Texans were like ‘WTF… really dude?!?!’ and fined his ass.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We should sponsor a Fantasy Football Fanpost
I’m sure people hate seeing this shit and I don’t blame them. But I love talking about and I know some others do as well.
Whaddya think?
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If Bowser allows it
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yessssss!!!
TLC… MOM SAID YES, LETS PUT OUR BEDS TOGETHER!!!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll be so much more space for activities!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm in.
We usually had a weekly thread for the pick’em/fantasy talk last year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i'm not going to complain
i’m aware that everyone in the league is dumb, i won it last year and won a couple hundred bucks because of it. i wasn’t going to stop anyone in the middle of the second round and be like “soooo you guys know chris johnson is still available right?”
carolina in my mind...
Wait...
how did you not take him in the second round? If I took Charles at one and CJ was there in the 2nd, I’d be going RB/RB and take my chances on a top 5 QB/WR being there in the 3rd.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Yeah, his league might be messed up.
But guys like Reggie Wayne, Romo, Gates shoulda been around in the 3rd round.
Got an open spot GC? lol
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a PPR league
so I took Greg Jennings with my second round pick because I knew that a run on the elite WR was going to come (which it did). i figured that in a dream scenario CJ would still be there, and it worked out for me
carolina in my mind...
so for those not keeping track...
apparently there’s an O’s game going on right now.
http://www.camdenchat.com/2011/9/1/2398091/game-135-blue-jays-68-68-orioles-54-80-12-35-pm#comments
and Tommy Hunter still sucks.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Oh and Wieters has another HR.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Wow. The McCourts were offered 1.2 billion for the Dodgers and everything to do with them.
A lot of the funding seems to come from various Chinese interests, with the head being the founder of either a Marathon or Maranthon, if cbssports’ spelling is to be believed.
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