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Should the Orioles Just Install a Pole At Third Base?

Last night, MLB.com's Britt Ghiroli passed along a few words from Buck Showalter:

You are going to see Mark start out at third base in the spring. That's where we would like for him to play. We think Mark is a lot better than he's shown statistically. I think he's going to come in [to camp] lighter and little more nimble.

[snip]

We know Chris can play a plus first base and we think Mark is a lot better than he showed last year. There are still some things we are looking at [this offseason], but right now, I think that's the plan.

Right, so, my immediate reaction on reading this was to literally yell out loud in my office at work. Which is admittedly not very mature of me, but, gosh, do we all remember Mark Reynolds 2011? Defensive statistics are a difficult thing to really grasp, but Reynolds as a third baseman registered the fourth worst season by Defensive Runs Saved (the Baseball Info Solutions' advanced defensive metric) in fangraphs' entire database at -29. In English: Mark Reynolds cost the Orioles 29 runs compared to an average defensive third baseman. The last third baseman to showcase himself that poorly was Ryan Braun in 2007 (-32 in comparable innings). Ryan Braun is now a mediocre left fielder.

I watched him all summer, and those numbers seem pretty dead on to me. Awful. Just awful.

That was the gist of what flashed through my brain when I heard that it was the Orioles' big plan to just send Reynolds right back out for 2012. Well, that and some sarcastic ideas about the efforts the O's have undergone to improve their rotation while basically completing ignoring their league-worst defense.

But then I actually spent more than half a second thinking about it.

Okay, so the first we have to do here is banish all variations on the phrase "His bat plays at the position". That phrase is highly relevant when talking about total value of a player and it is particularly relevant when talking about free agency. It is irrelevant for this problem, because the O's already have their principle players. They simply need to find the optimal configuration for them.

Star-divide

Okay, so let's do this as fairly as we know how. The Orioles have two potential 3B starters to choose from, Reynolds and Chris Davis. Here, in no particular order, are their defensive numbers at the hot corner, per about a half season (585.1 inning, to be exact):

-14 DRS, -11 UZR

-6 DRS, -4.5 UZR

The reason we took it by 585.1 innings is because that's all Chris Davis has logged as a third baseman at the major league level. Even in that small sample, he is still easily twice as bad as Mark Reynolds. Yes, Davis is the first set of numbers and Reynolds is the second. It would be especially egregious to stick Chris Davis at third, even compared to Reynolds. And just like that we know that the Orioles aren't ignoring the numbers. Far from it, in fact.

But what about the designated hitter? Mark Reynolds has publicly stated that he doesn't want to DH, that he can't play as well when he DHs, and that he will probably be upset if he is put into the everyday DH role. I understand the sentiment, because the DH is really kind of half a player. That said, Mark Reynolds has been a DH for exactly zero games in his career, which is a really small sample for him to draw from and conclude that he can't do it.

The Orioles are going to have a ninth batter for all 162 games next season beyond their eight starters, and I see the following candidates: Endy Chavez, Jai Miller, two of Matt Antonelli/Ryan Flaherty/Robert Andino (with the third manning second), and Taylor Teagarden. It doesn't seem to me to be especially optimal to use any of these guys for their bats. They are all valuable in their way for their gloves. So it makes sense to me that the best thing to do would be to simply upgrade the worst defensive starter with one of these stronger gloves, and move that bad defender to DH.

If I had to put money down, it would be on Nolan Reimold DHing to open the season (barring another signing, of course) with Chavez or Miller in left field. Is Nolan Reimold a worse defender in left than Mark Reynolds is at third? That is almost certainly more of a question for the scouts than the stats people, but Reynolds has a pretty good track record at this point in his career and all of it is distinctly below average, and not by a slim margin.

Look, after the tumultuous past decade, it's super easy to point at the Orioles saying "We're going to go into the spring with Mark Reynolds as our third baseman. We believe in him." and then point at how even they got so tired of him last year that they moved him to first (where he was still statistically terrible) and just say "Classic Orioles". But this has sort of come into focus for me since I was yelling in my office yesterday. Mark Reynolds is clearly a very proud man who wants to work hard and play defense and the Orioles saying they support him going into Spring Training is admirable and respectable. Maybe it will blow up in their faces and they'll look foolish and need to make a change, but that's a pretty small price to pay for working with one of your better players instead of against him.

And just maybe it'll work out okay. Stranger things have happened, you know.

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it doesn't really read that Buck is 100% sold

so try him in spring, see where he is at and move on from there.

by Philly O's on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Regression to the mean

Much in the same way you can’t expect someone to repeat a career best season, you can’t expect someone to duplicate a career worst season. Reynolds’ D will be better than last year.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Reynold's UZR Numbers

From 2007 (his first season in the bigs) through 2011, Reynolds at 3B has posted the following UZR/150 numbers (per FanGraphs):

-8
-11.3
-7.4
+2.5 (!!)
-30.3

Just watching him last season, he looked terrible, but his track record is a below-average defender, not the disaster that was 2011. Hell, he even had a positive UZR in 2010. I’ve gotta think that he’ll bring it back up in the -7 to -9 range, which is not good, but probably acceptable if he is gonna approach 40 HR again.

by Reboulet's Moustache on Jan 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, -30.3.

Regression to the mean is definitely in order for Reynolds. That’s about the only positive thing that I can say about his defense.

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by birdman on Jan 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone watching Reynolds at 3B last year think, "Gee, if only this guy was a few pounds lighter..."?

This sounds like something the Orioles would do, though. Take the team’s best power hitter & try to make him Mark Belanger.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Jan 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

He's on the Nick Markakis diet.

"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller

by Zeke McGeek on Jan 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

De-westernize this man's food!

Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.

by arlingtonOsFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the sample size of his first base play really big enough to make any reasonable assumptions from?

My eyes certainly agree with the stats of him at 3rd, but I thought he looked solid with a flare for great picks at first. I’m also not sure I trust any defensive metrics to capture errors saved in the form of picks at first.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Trust in Buck. Trust in Buck.

For some stupid reason, signing Fielder would make me feel better about Reynolds at third. I know, it makes no sense.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the O’s signed Damon to DH for a low price. He’d be a good presence in the clubhouse and has hit leadoff before (should a certain 2B be unavailable).

by Rich Hauck on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fixed

Maybe it will blow up in their faces and they’ll look foolish and need to make a change.

Antonelli will ultimately start the most games at 3B because he’s the only player on the roster who doesn’t look like a clown at the position.

We Americans are a peculiar people. We are for the underdog, no matter how much of a dog he is. - Happy Chandler

by ThreeRunHomer on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

i don't think andino looks terrible at 3rd...

but he’s certainly a foolish bet to get a lion’s share of the reps there.

"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak

by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Three Run, I meant to put this on your FanPost but...

the comments are closed.
The signing today of Denny Reyes got me thinking about your CCC: The ABC and D Plan post. I loved it. Really stayed with me. All these signings recently seem like a slew of guys who would be better with fewer innings. I mentioned you and your article in my latest blog post. (Link below) You should read, if you can. I also really liked your post on the blockbuster hypothetical of trading away the team. You’re really going outside the box, and it’s fun to read.

by Bird of Pray on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I completly agree with this post

we have a bunch of defensive specialists just sitting around lets use their good halves and reynolds good half at the maximum. That is the point of the DH position anyhow.

by Benhem612 on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Can't we just grow the infield a foot high on that side?

Everything dies where Matty can snatch it and gun them down. Problem solved.

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Jan 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

i actually like this idea...

and wonder how this sort of thing is sorted out. certainly, nicole sherry doesn’t just do it on her own, though i guess she might. i seem to recall that thick infield grass was a tick of old tiger stadium.

"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak

by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

in some book that I have on the old Orioles

the groundskeeper actually let the outfield grass grow and then hid balls out there for the outfielders to find and throw back to home without having to look for the actual batted ball..
This was before the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles.

The person who introduced Andrew to baseball and the O's

by QTess on Jan 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe...

where they ain’t? it’s about the o’s of the wee willie keeler era.

"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak

by j.q. higgins on Jan 14, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

This story

and a bunch of others about the 1890s groundskeeper are in that book, but I’m sure this is in a bunch of other histories too.

Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Jan 14, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that is what he was worst at!

those bloopers that dribbled to him were way harder for him than regular grounders. His lateral range is actually recent he just throws haphazard and can’t run in on a ball.

by mdterps0325 on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think the point was

That Wieters would be fielding the ball because the it wouldn’t go very far.

by Chief O'Flyers on Jan 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

If he does bad, I’m sure Buck will leave him there for 5 or 6 months to work out his ills. After all, he did it last year with Pie and Reynolds, why not keep the faith with Markie Mark this year? After all, his stats show little change from year to year, unless you don’t actually watch or read stuff; maybe Buck doesn’t.

by dsciswe on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, he's just like the O's.

At least it can’t get a whole lot worse.
Also, am I the only one who wonders how much of Chris Davis we will actually see? There are a couple of bats on this team better than his, glovework aside. Maybe Josh Bell will suddenly turn it on… or just start taking better steroids.

by Bird of Pray on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

I hear Melvin Mora is looking for work.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 13, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

Why a pole?

The batting practice screen is already there a few hours before each game.

by InfrasonicTom on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking..

A Dancing Pole. At least that’ll put more fannies in the seats than what’s there now.

by smoke1 on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

With

The NYY trade for Pineda could open the door for a trade for the O’s. I do think the O’s could have gotten Pineda with a better offer.

by dsciswe on Jan 14, 2012 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think we have the young guns to even think about pulling off this trade.

A starting catcher (with + hitting stats under 25), and their 5th best pitching prospect in a DEEP pitching prospect system. Even with a supposedly equal trade the actual players you sub into that trade are laughable.

Parker Bridwell (our 2nd best pitching prospect that would project to a starter) and Gabriel Lino (our best catcher prospect, but not close to MLB ready) for a frontline starter… I think we would DEFINITELY make that trade, but Seattle would LAUGH.

Maybe if we added LJ Hoes we could start a conversation, but that would GUT our farm…

Birdland and Buck both start with B... coincidence? I think not.

by Birdland in NC on Jan 14, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe in defensive metrics much.

I’ve read multiple FO types (scouts/analysts/etc.) that said that the non-proprietary defensive stats are highly inaccurate. We even saw this when Camden Crazies (maybe it was Camden Depot?) pointed out the outfield home/away splits in UZR for the O’s.

I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James

by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely true.

But I think last year was an outlier. He’s not really THAT bad, just below-average.

I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James

by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It is true

It is true those stats….there really is no other choice and maybe Reynolds will do well with the lost weight….I like Davis…he needs a full season chance…1B or DH………I do think one guy you mentioned should get a good look and a good chance for once as well…at DH or LF…Jai Miller…that guy had one great year last year in AAA .276 32homers and 88RBI’s…..242B….16SB….but did SO 179 times….plays good D…big 6’3" 205lbs has always been good in the minors…he could help….

by Colts53 on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Machado or Hardy at third base?

This is just a shot in the dark. I haven’t seen any indication from analysts or the O’s suggesting this might happen, but it seems to me that moving Hardy or Machado to the hot corner might be the Oriole’s eventual plan for third base. Could this be why the O’s are keeping Reynolds at 3B to start the 2012 season? I mean, if Reynolds has a strong first half and we move him, Machado might be an option at that point, creating a logjam at SS. Has anyone else considered this or heard anything one way or the other about this possibility?

by r8rh8r on Jan 14, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

That’s the answer to the question.

by Liverpoolcubsfan on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

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