Friday Bird Droppings
by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2012 7:13 AM EST
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PrintMuch minor news in the offing today. Shall we drop?
School of Roch: Alan Mills returns to organization Sweet! In related news, the moustache of Alan Mills was given a job in the front office.
MASN Adds Mike Bordick As Color Analyst On Orioles Broadcast Team " CBS Baltimore Happy now, Bordy?
Ex-Ranger exodus to Baltimore continues | Texas Rangers Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas Why do the Orioles need a baker?
Shorebirds to Play Salisbury in Exhibition - WBOC-TV 16 This one's for our homeboy.
Quite a following: Mormon major leaguer catches on with Twitter | Deseret News I love seeing Guts get some recognition for his social media skills.
Indians sign reliever Chris Ray to minor-league contract | HardballTalk No word on whether the former protege will become a mentor.
On this day in 1982, Frank Robinson was elected to the Hall of Fame.
It's the birthday of Odell Jones.
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Wow
Yahoo torched the O’s this morning on it’s front page of the MLB section.
Thank you Jeff Passan for picking a cold windy day in Janurary to make Duquettes job that much easier.
The only positive he threw us was that he likes the regional pit beef.
ARGG – While arguing the Orioles should futiley go after a Fielder who will reject them, he proves exactly why they shouldn’t go after him any how.
Baltimore still could try to persuade Prince Fielder to come east with a monster deal like the one it offered Mark Teixeira during his free agency. Of course, Teixeira was from the Baltimore suburbs. The Yankees wanted him. If anyone was going to inspire Angelos, it was Teixeira. And now Teixeira isn’t playing anything like a $20-plus million playerBaltimore remains a dead-end destination
Talk about dead end destinations – Yahoo …….. glug glug enjoy the drown and see at the bottom of the ocean alongside the good ship AOL.
They're in such a strange situation. Who uses their search engine?
Who says to themselves, “Oh, hey, how long do I boil an egg at this altitude? I think I’ll head over to Yahoo and find out!” Nobody. If it weren’t for their fantasy sports, the website could shut down and the only way I’d find out is if NPR told me about it.
Yahoo has a couple good reporters working there...
… they did a great job uncovering the Miami recruiting scandal.
But other than that, it’s a dying brand.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
without yahoo I wouldn't have camden chat
I discovered it through yahoos sports section. But yeah they don’t really bring anything to the table other than fantasy sports.
Same
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
HA!
I remember the massive influx of Yahoo peeps when SBN did that merge or whatever.
Some lovely folks came over.
And, some ….. er.. not so lovely ones.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I got here via a google search for "BOOBS PORN JESSICA SIMPSON BOOBIES"
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
This also
explains why noone uses yahoos search engine any more.
Oddly enough....Camden Chat was the only search return with that exact statement
I got excited only to realize it was actually some blog covering the Orioles
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
a tip of the hat to LarryBigbie3
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
by zknower on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I got here via a google search of Helen Mirren.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do a Google image search
You’ll see westie’s Mirren Masturbatorium.
When the fuck did we get ice cream???
I still don't have an SBN username/password
At least I don’t think. I always use the “sign on with Yahoo ID” option
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris chase is the worst
by mdterps0325 on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You, too, can be a Yahoo! Sports commenter.
Just copy that sentence, and paste it to the comment section of every blog article ever written on Yahoo.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
that article is garbage
fucking yahoo
by nattybroh on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Indeed.
We suck, but let’s not make up reasons why we suck. Nobody wants to come play for Showalter because he’s “demanding”?
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
I like this from the Roto article
Nolan Reimold was a surprise star in September, posting a .281/.395/.578 slash with five homers and six steals. That should be enough to get the left-field job into 2012, but you know the Orioles; they might mess this up with a late veteran acquisition.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Let's be optimistic! What's the last thing you remember the O's doing on field?
Cause I remember a nice little win.
Yeah, I feel like I got an inordinate amount of joy out of that. It was fun seeing how the players reacted (like they’d won a playoff game) because that was how I felt, too.
And then the playoffs started and I had only liquor to cheer me up.
At a certain point, it is about the small victories
and shots. lots of shots.
A Great DUH Article
What a jerk article to write. It was the feature of the MLB section too. Do we really need to read more about how we suck? And why now? Just to push a couple of us depressed fans in the dark hours of winter to kill themselves or just stop caring about baseball?
My brother sent me this article with a burn notice.
The same guy is going to write about how much money the Yankees have.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 13, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
OT: CAA BB action
Owings Mill’s Damion Lee (F) scored 21 points for Drexel to snap George Mason’s 18 game CAA winning streak. Kid is good. back-to-back 3’s in 18 seconds. I was at the game and would like to take credit for the first one as I told them to pass it to a wide open Lee who sank it.
Drexel Grad?
Graduated from Drexel in 1990. Used to periodically travel with the basketball team helping them with odds and ends. They were pretty solid in the late 1980’s. Made an NCAA appearance my freshman year (1986). Lost by 8 (I think) to eventual champion Louisville in first round. Had a really good player (Michael Anderson) who got a little time in the NBA with the Spurs. Good times.
yeah
2003. In 1998 they were good and just about made it too. I think 5 years ago when they beat a lot of the Big East teams they almost made it but lost to VCU in the CAA championship, and they only sent 1 team. Last year the CAA sent 3 so hopefully if Drexel keeps this up they can make it this year. Although I have a feeling that if they don’t win the CAA they wont go and ODU, GM, or VCU will, just because of the past few years.
Student Support
at the basketball games was always poor at best when I was there. Joke was if the library was full you could go the basketball game for a quiet place to study. Caught them on TV earlier this week and the old armory looked pretty packed.
two sell out games in a row
I saw more kids there last night then my entire time at Drexel. It was cool to see a fan base at a sporting event at Drexel. you know becuase we don’t have any teams.
the DAC
so the dropped all this money on the DAC and they still have shitty seating. went to Landmark before the game though and that was nice. where was that when I wen there?
Ah Landmark
my life got so much better when the built a bar directly across the street from the law school.
No campus bars
existed when I was there. We always went to Cavanaugh’s or some other U of Penn place. I know the campus has changed much for the better since I graduated.
was new deck there?
I hated playing quizzo there becasue all the penn kids would bring their nerd books and win. the only chance we had to win beer was to come up with best team name.
They let them use books?
Now you can be disqualified for even having your cell phone out during questions
just because i need something to help cheer me up about the O's today
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
by Gamecock24 on Jan 13, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
That actually depresses me.
BRob isn’t medically cleared to do that shuffle.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
This cheers you up? He probably can't even do that without having to lay down right now.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
i choose not to focus on the depressing
but rather the flashing “THIS IS BIRDLAND” and him popping his head up over the center field wall
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose...
nope
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
If your computer is moderately new,
It’s worth the extra money for a dual channel router with 5G connectivity.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
the macbook pro is new
but the only devices ever connecting to it would be that and my eventual iphone. The PS3 and my media computer don’t support 802.11n and would both be wired anyway
Yea....you probably don't need to invest extra money if you're not really going to take advantage of it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Thats what I was thinking
It seems like most of the advantage of n was its ability to handle a large number of devices without slowing down, but I’m only going to have a couple and its only needs to cover a small apartment, so range isn’t an issue.
I find the 5G channel extremely valuable in the city where everyone's fighting over bandwith
But you moved to the sticks right? You’ll probably be fine with any moderately priced router with good reviews
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well its an apartment complex and i did notice a fair number of other signals
but still probably not as bad as being in the city
I would strongly suggest finding a router that can do dual-band.
I picked up a lot of interference on my 2.7ghz network. When I switched over to 5 ghz, I noticed a distinct drop in latency spikes.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
How do we feel about this suggestion for Adam Jones?
Jones projects to earn $5.8MM or so in 2012 as a second time arbitration eligible player. MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes suggested in August that a four-year extension in the $40MM range could work for the Orioles and the CAA client. Jones, 26, is on track to hit free agency after the 2013 season. He posted a .280/.319/.466 line with 25 homers last year.
Assuming we don’t trade Bubbles, I feel like $10 / year for four years is just a little bit high for an extension. I’d rather see something like $8.5 / year.
Coco Crisp got 2 years/14MM this offseason
and he can’t hit or stay healthy. So that suggests to me that the market value of CFers is probably though the roof.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Should I just be resigned to the fact that...
… even losing teams are going to be spending $100 million a year?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
eventually, yes.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
on the other hand
AL Champs, by payroll, 2008-2011:
2008: $47.1M ($91M MLB average)
2009: $203.3M ($92M MLB average)
2010: $58M (94.1M MLB average)
2011: $93M ($95.9M MLB average)
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
shhh, you're ruining the narrative that money buys championships
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Could you post the results for parolls of AL teams in the playoffs
it will be interesting to compare.
when zk wakes up he'll happily link you to a thing he put together
but here’s the thing, and I’ll quote John Dewan’s stat of the week from thanksgiving here:
24 – That is the number of different teams, out of 30 total MLB franchises, that have reached the playoffs in the last 10 years dating back to 2002. Furthermore, there have been eight different World Series champions in those 10 years. While there may be some degree of luck involved in getting through the playoffs and winning the World Series, it is an impressive accomplishment to sustain success over the 162-game regular season to make the playoffs. That level of parity is a reason that every fan should feel hopeful that their team could very easily become the next great contender. Even Cubs fans have reason to hope!
The teams that haven’t been in the playoffs since 2001 are: Baltimore, Kansas City, Seattle, Washington/Montreal, Toronto, and Pittsburgh. All of those teams have some pretty shoddy front office work in that time period that I think easily trumps the payroll correlation you can try to bring up.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
but what of the playoff appearances?
The higher payroll teams have to account for a disproportionate amount of those.
This
how many years have small money teams had equal representation in the playoffs as big money teams. Just because 1 or 2 spots in the playoffs go to different small money teams and you have hope of your team making it once a decade doesn’t ease my pain.
well, you mean the yankees and the red sox, right?
since, like, the cubs and the mets have had pretty high payrolls in those periods but still kind of stunk. What would be interesting to me, when you’re trying to figure out the connection between payroll and winning is to forget the AL East entirely and see how it works out.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I understand what you are saying
Since 1995 the highest payroll team in baseball has only missed the playoffs 2 times. Looking at this chart the playoff appearances are very heavily skewed to the left meaning money doesn’t buy championships but it does buy greater odds of playoffs. In recent years small market teams have increased representation with 2010 being an even split betwen top half and bottom half, that said historically top 10 payrolls dominate the playoffs spots.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/9/30/2458704/mlb-playoffs-2011-payroll-rankings-tampa-bay-rays
this is what I was looking for. 
it also looks like its spreading out considerably in the past five or so years
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
Yeah the guy who wrote the article pointed that out
I also found it humorous that he said the reason the number 2 spot has failed so miserably is because it is usually the redsox competing with the yankees.
I am not arguing that things haven’t been evening, just that I disagree with the notion that payroll does not correlate with increased odds to win a championship. Only 1 world series champ lower than 15th, and only 5 out of the top 10 payrolls.
it correlates
it seems like there’s a ton of folks who want to say “It correlates” and then leave it as if it is the only thing that correlates. And it obviously isn’t. There’s a lot of things that go into making the playoffs, and when you look at the teams that never make it, the thing that jumps out right away is not “oh, they’re not rich enough” but rather “oh, they’re not smart enough”. Money’s important, no doubt about it, but I think it’s importance is easily dwarfed by front office savvy. You saw that ten years ago, and you see that today.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I agree with that.
I think the tendency to point out the money probably comes from the fact that a teams smartness is less tangible. You can point to smart signings, drafting, and player development, but it’s nowhere near as concrete seeming as saying “team x spent y dollars this year.”
I can agree with this
I don’t think it is the only issue and the Orioles have a lot to do besides spend money to get their act together. That I can agree with.
There’s a lot of things that go into making the playoffs, and when you look at the teams that never make it, the thing that jumps out right away is not "oh, they’re not rich enough" but rather "oh, they’re not smart enough".
No, the thing that jumps out is they’re not rich enough AND they’re not smart enough. Not one vs. the other.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
The rich teams don't necessarily have to be the smartest...
… like Tampa Bay is. They just have to be “smart enough”.
In other words, the higher a team’s payroll, the more they can get away with bad contracts. The reason player salaries have gone through the roof is because teams like the Yankees and Red Sox (and now apparently Phillies, Angels, and even Marlins) can offer a ton of money and not be crippled if any number of the years result in below value performance.
Rich teams can take higher risk / higher reward gambles, unlike the Tampa Bays or Pittsburghs of the world. These smaller market teams can only afford to take on a certain amount of risk.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
yup
the Rays are a model organization in that they have a razor thin margin of error and have to be running a full octane to make it. Even then they need the red sox to have the most epic collapse in baseball history to make it.
Good point
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think you'll have a hard time convincing me
that the Andy MacPhail Orioles would have been a huge success if they had simply had an extra 50 million bucks to play with.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
$50 million can buy many Atkinses!
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
If they had the yankees payroll
and simply put all the difference into free agent pitchers. They would have had a very different record.
Thanks, straw man
Nobody is trying to convince you of that.
Nobody has ever said anything like that.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I'm not sure how that's inconsistent with what Andrew said.
He said, “Money’s important, no doubt about it.” He’s just emphasizing the importance of front office acumen as well.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
see my point about 31 of 32 teams making the playoffs in the last year.
The NFL also certainly has it’s share of fucked up front offices… but the difference there is a salary cap.
…. and 2 extra spots, of course
Sure, more teams have made the playoffs in football.
Not sure how that relates to Andrew’s point. There’s better parity in football but there’s a fair amount of parity in baseball too (at least according to that chart).
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
poor ownership is something that both leagues have in common
so I dont think that’s the best explanation for why more teams havent made the playoffs.
I guess it also depends on if you think 24 out of 30 in 10 years is a high percentage or not. Bud Selig certainly likes to point that out, but I think it’s worth mentioning that compared to other leagues, it’s not very high.
24 out of 30 in 10 years is a high percentage or not.
80% seems high to me.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I don't think it's the percentage being questioned exactly
I mean, if 30 out of 30 have made the playoffs in the past 80 years, that’s 100%, but it took 80 years.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Is having 80% of teams make the playoffs in 10 years meaningful at all
If 80% made it every 5 years, it’d be closer to ideal.
A team making the playoffs once a decade won’t really have a happy fan base, for instance.
A team making the playoffs once a decade won’t really have a happy fan base, for instance.
And the front office should be assigned blame for that unfortunate situation. I don’t think it’s fair to simply blame economic inequalities when low revenue teams are making the playoff regularly. Low revenue teams are disadvantaged but not disabled.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Oh most definitely.
but who is arguing that disparity doesn’t exist? As Andrew has said, “Money is important.”
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Oh, I thought you meant real people.
Bud is doing PR because that’s what he’s paid to do.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Ok, Rob Neyer too
He always talks about how baseball has comparable parity to the NFL and NBA. Of course, he always uses championships won, which means baseball comes out looking great.
Well, I would have to see what Rob said specifically.
Off the top of my head, I don’t quite agree but I don’t think it’s an outlandish statement when 80% of teams are making the playoffs.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
He'd always say stuff like
“Since 2001, there have been 11 World Series and 10 different teams have won them! In the same period, there have been only 9 different Super Bowl champions and 6 NBA champions. MLB WINS!”
If that's the case, then I certainly don't agree.
Using championships ONLY isn’t a good method. It’s fair to use as one piece of data but not the ONLY piece of data.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
80% is not high compared to other leagues:
NFL: 98%
NHL: 100%
NBA: 100%
(You can basically throw out the NBA and NHL comparison though, since 50% of the teams make the playoffs each year).
Even if you add 4 playoff spots to the MLB system (which would mean 40% of the teams make the playoffs, compared to 37.5 in the NFL)…
They are still only at 25 of 30 teams making it, or, 83%.
Obviously these are all arbitrary, but since Bud Selig is so fond of pointing out that number as an argument against the cap, I think it’s worth looking deeper into it.
It’s still a high percentage. It’s like complaining that person X is not rich because he makes $20M when his buddies make $25M, $34M, and $29M. I certainly agree that the guy making $20M is not as rich as the other guys but I would also say all of the guys are rich.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
It's a high percentage only numerically
It’s not a high percentage when compared to other relevant percentages.
40% is a low percentage. But a guy who gets on base 40% of the time is doing REALLY well.
To use your monetary comparison, a guy who makes $20M is not rich in comparison with his peers if they all make more than him. And we only care about in comparison to his peers.
To use your monetary comparison, a guy who makes $20M is not rich in comparison with his peers if they all make more than him. And we only care about in comparison to his peers.
Right, and I guess I’m saying you’re missing the forest for the trees. Yes, that number is low comparably but it’s still high in grand scheme of things.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
The grand scheme of what things, though?
Why does it matter that it’s high? It’s only high in comparison to nothing at all, which renders the comparison utterly meaningless.
It's high
because the vast majority of teams are making the playoffs. Isn’t that what’s important in the grand scheme of things?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
No
I would also say that the majority isn’t “vast”. 20% of teams do not make the playoffs. 6 teams have not made the playoffs in the past decade. I would say that’s actually pretty shitty.
But would you say that
the Orioles, Pirates, Royals….who else is it? Haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years because they have no money? Or because they are stupid? I vote for stupid.
For the Royals, I would argue it's more about money than organizational intelligence.
The rest of the league has been using KC as a farm team for quite awhile. They’ve produced some good talent like Damon and Beltran, but had to trade them because they couldn’t sign them.
For the O’s, it’s sheer organizational ineptitude.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Under Allard Baird
It was sheer organizational ineptitude. Things are slightly better with Dayton Moore. He’s built a great farm system but he’s still in idiot when judging major league talent.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
eh
Johnny Damon was traded in 2000, Carlos Beltran in 2004. Who have they had to do that with lately? They signed Greinke to a team-friendly extension and couldn’t build a decent team around him in the seven years he pitched for them, so they ultimately had to trade him. Other than that?
Jermaine Dye
comes to mind, but that’s about it. And he wasn’t even a KCR developed player. They got him from ATL along with our good buddy Jamie Walker.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
they actually sought out...
yuni betancourt.
"Three thousand years of beautiful tradition,from Moses to Sandy Koufax,YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M LIVING IN THE FUCKING PAST!"- Walter Sobchak
by j.q. higgins on Jan 13, 2012 6:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mostly stupid
But that’s not what I care about. I don’t care why they didn’t make the playoffs. Only that they don’t.
The Redskins are stupid, but they still make the playoffs every so often. The Browns are stupid, but they get in every so often as well.
I’d also point out that the Mets are stupid, but make the playoffs every so often too.
I don’t care why they didn’t make the playoffs. Only that they don’t.
So how would address that problem? Since you’re not concerned about the stupidity, only the economics, do you simply increase revenue sharing?
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Revenue sharing and a hard cap would both be effective
There’s a reason the other leagues have moved toward it.
Economic parity can be controlled by the league. Intellectual parity cannot be. There’s no question that poor but smart teams can succeed while rich but dumb ones can fail.
Currently, though, average but rich ones tend to succeed while average but poor ones fail and smart and rich ones are virtually guaranteed of success.
If the league can even the playing field, it’s a good thing overall.
If the league can even the playing field, it’s a good thing overall.
I might be quibbling, but I would say it would help to level the playing field, but it doesn’t solve it. As you said, there’s no way to address that the stupidity inequality. I probably favor a hard cap over increased revenue sharing for this reason (but I honestly haven’t thought enough about this enough). I would rather not reward the stupidity through revenue sharing. Not to mention, revenue sharing would be helping teams who are already doing well.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
okie dokie
I don’t want to get into a semantics debates over what constitutes “vast”! :)
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Teams making the playoffs and winning championships is a poor indicator of parity
If one team makes it to the playoffs every five years and another makes it to the playoffs every years, there is not parity there.
There are 30 teams in MLB and they compete for 8 playoff spots. Thus 27% of teams make it to the playoffs each year. Thus a league with true parity would see each team make the playoffs roughly once every 4 years.
Now that’s obviously probably not what anyone wants, but the further away from that you move, the less parity there is.
Thus a league with true parity would see each team make the playoffs roughly once every 4 years.
Yes, assuming equal front office acumen in all 30 teams.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
and this is the point
with a salary cap it would be abundantly clear who had the good front offices. there would be no other explanation for failure, really.
a team never making the playoffs would have face up to the fact that its FO needed an overhaul.
and teams that make $80million mistakes would be in the wilderness for a long time, which would open the doors to other teams.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Sure, like I've said,
I think it would help parity but it won’t solve parity (i.e., each team making the playoffs ever four years) because you can’t solve the dummy factor. Well, maybe you could. I suppose Bud Selig could mandate that no dummies ever bought a MLB team. Smart owners could lead to smart GMs but I digress.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
nobody is suggesting it would solve parity
it would merely create the opportunity for it, which is all anyone can ask for.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I’m probably nitpicking at this point, but I don’t think it would even create an opportunity to solve but only help parity. The parity problem problem will be never solved given the unequal distribution of front office talent.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
parity=equal opportunity
it doesn’t equal “everyone gets a guaranteed ticket to the playoffs”
the worst FOs in football miss the playoffs every year. And it’s because they are the worse FOs, not because they are being outspent.
Yet football is recognized as having parity because any FO willing to blow a team up, hire a talented GM and be patient can expect to be back in the playoffs within half a decade unless their luck is really bad. Or, as has been pointed out, unless they hire shitty GMs.
It’s not just the cap in football. It’s the draft, which cnnot be gamed the way baseball’s can, and it’s the schedule, which adjusts every year to give weak teams more more favorable schedules than strong teams.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
gotcha
I thought you agreed with the, “Thus 27% of teams make it to the playoffs each year,” definition. I certainly don’t have a problem with defining parity with equal opportunity.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
The schedule is a bit overrated in football.
Only 2 games are different than your division members. You face the other conference teams that finished in the same position in their division as you the previous season. That usually gets cancelled out by some divisions being very deep and others being terrible.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
with a salary cap it would be abundantly clear who had the good front offices. there would be no other explanation for failure, really.
Also, this assumes that with a salary cap, ever team will have about the same payroll. I have a feeling that cheap ass owners will still exist with a salary cap. To have true economic equality, you would also need a salary floor. Or else you’ll still have poor and rich teams, but the disparity would merely shrink but not disappear.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
the thing that jumps out right away is not "oh, they’re not rich enough" but rather "oh, they’re not smart enough". Money’s important, no doubt about it, but I think it’s importance is easily dwarfed by front office savvy. You saw that ten years ago, and you see that today.
Yup. Get em.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I don't really see the importance dwarfed.
I see money as the easy route and money and savy a dynasty makes. No money and savy makes for the rays who make the playoffs every so often when the red sox get messed up enough to cough up the wild card league.
Can you make the playoffs with no money and no savy? No.
Can you make the playoffs with money and no savy yes
Can you make the playoffs with savy and no money? yes but not nearly as often as if you have a ton of money.
Can you make the playoffs with savy and no money? yes but not nearly as often as if you have a ton of money.
Could present some specific numbers? I see what you’re saying and by eyeballing the shift there are more red dots to the left than the right. But I don’t think there’s a huge difference, but maybe I’m seeing things incorrectly.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Perfect way to put it
If the #1 payroll team played in the NL West instead if the AL East with the #2 payroll team they would surely have a great record. But as you mentioned, the Sox and the Yanks spend their time beating up on each other.
Why do you think the Phils have had so much success? The have been a top 10 payroll the last 5 years i think and it has meant going to the WS 2x, and deep in the playoffs other years. Spending a lot more when others who you play do not yields the best results.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
The Phillies have 97 Orioles written all over them.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That's awesome.
The picture of Angelos above becomes even more appropriate.
by Bird of Pray on Jan 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point.
I would be really interested to see that too. My initial tendency would be to think the numbers would skew towards the higher payroll teams, but I admit that is only a feeling.
Note of interest guess who 1998 was
Darn Orioles.
phillies. angels.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
and of course, you choose to leave out what damages your argument
- the MAJORITY of those teams made the playoffs once or twice in those ten years
- and fully half of the playoff appearances are by only 8 teams. Guess what? They’re the biggest market 8 teams.
I’d link, but Search is still broken.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I sent a ticket to tech support about that, btw
They are aware of the problem and it’s their top priority once the project they’re working now is over. And that ends today. So hopefully we’ll be up and running soon.
and fully half of the playoff appearances are by only 8 teams. Guess what? They’re the biggest market 8 teams.
That also means half of the playoff appearances are by teams outside the top 8. 50 percent is a pretty big number. I think that numbers supports what Andrew has been saying all along. Money is very important, but other factors are very important as well.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
or you can say it my way
Other factors are very important, but money is very important as well.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
And I believe that's something similar, but not exactly the same, to what Andrew is saying.
He, and myself as well and now you, all recognize money and other factors are important. We just quibble on how much importance we want to assign to money and other factors.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
how about this:
31.
That’s the number of NFL teams making the playoffs in the last 10 years.
Keep peddling that Selig propaganda! -→ :)
Wow
Who’s the odd team out? Redskins???
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What are the stats on playoff teams in general?
I feel like most of the playoff teams have much higher payrolls than those that don’t make it (of course, Boston kills that number this past year). Those big money teams don’t necessarily win it all though.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
yeah that was where I was headed too.
I feel like there was an article last year pointing this out. Showing that over the last decade teams that spent more were by far overrepresented in the playoffs. So each year one or two small market teams make the playoffs and sometimes get the series, big money still gets you there more regularly.
Kind of like a raffle. Yeah you can buy one ticket and win but the person who buys 500 tickets is much more likely.
Right.
Because the playoffs are relatively SSS. Over 162 games, money wins. Over 5 games? Sh*t happens.
But because money wins the season, more high payroll teams are in the playoffs, meaning more high payroll teams have a chance to win the championship.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Exactly
You only have to go 3 games over .500 to win a World Series
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that anyone thinks there's a 100% correlation between payroll and championships (league or overall)...
… but a team’s payroll does have a correlation with the team’s wins for a year. The more wins a team has, the more likely the team is to reach the playoffs. The more years a team reaches the playoffs, the more times a team has the 25% chance of winning the league.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Numbers...
Correlation coefficient between team payroll and wins:
2009 – .4648
2010 – .3495
2011 – .4089
3 years – .5372
So, there does appear to be a correlation between wins and team payroll. Most notably, it becomes stronger over a longer period of time, as the “surprise” teams are cancelled out. Team payroll is still a strong indicator of wins and becomes stronger over multiple seasons.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
and also, the Yankees are a ridiculous outlier
I really think “payroll issues” should be changed to “Yankees issues, with occasional Red Sox issues.”
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
In this instance though
doesn’t that outlier prove the point? If you outspend your peers by enough you can acquire enough talent to cover up any organizational flaws you may have.
yes
I’m just saying that you can fix 90% of the imbalance problems in baseball by targeting the Yankees.
For example: a simple, NFL-style rule that required teams to share 20% of their media revenues would benefit 29 teams and disadvantage the Steinbrenners and YES. Sounds like a win-win to me.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes I see where you are headed now
in that case I agree.
the narrative is that money buys the postseason
and it remains true.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I'd rather trade him than extend him
it would have to be an absurdly team friendly deal to change my mind, and that’s unrealistic.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
I think 4/40 would still give Jones a significant amount of surplus value
and wouldn’t seriously change his trade status. I’m not suggesting it, mind you, but if Crisp is worth $7MM per year, Jones is clearly a bargain at $10MM.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Gah. That's it. Communism man. Redistribute the wealth.
Coco Crisp is going to make more with this contract than I’ll make in my life, all because he’s pretty good at a child’s game.
Crisp isn't worth 7 mil.
In that case, Jones is not nearly a bargain at 10.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
someone paid him 7 mil so he is worth it.
try telling adam jones’ agent that coco crisp over valued so really jones deserves a similar salary. Response “you think I am worth the same as coco crisp? Get mr. cashman on the phone”
That doesn't nearly mean he's worth it just because he's getting 7 mil.
If the Yankees want to overpay for Jones, they can have him. I won’t shed any tears.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I am just saying the market sets the worth
I dont think fielder or pujols are worth their salaries either. Which is why I am happy they aren’t coming here. My point is that if we don’t want to pay Adam market value then we should trade him.
If you look at the stats
I think pujols “value” either last year, or year before was somewhere around $40 million. His WAR last few years, I think 1 WAR is about $5 million.
2008:9.6
2009:8.8
2010: 7.1
2011: 5.4
Albert has stayed pretty healthy over his career so might also help his WAR numbers. But to say he wasn’t worth his contract before is untrue.
Now, his new contract estimates I have seen put estimates around 165 Million unless he finds the fountain of youth. so he potentially is getting 10 mil a year more a year than he is worth. So in that respect you are right. I think that money will be made up for in fringe revenues.
It’s Albert freaking Pujols! (rabid fan voice).
by IggesRule13 on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I'm not arguing "worth" in a moral sense
but in a “this is what this guy got in free agency, so if you want him, you have to pay that” sense.
And it was the low-budget, small-market A’s that paid Coco Crisp 2/14, with the even lower-budget, smaller-market Rays in second place.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see Adam Jones taking 4/40 at this point.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
well, that was the number MLBTR used
and some on here argued that was too much.
I’m not arguing for extending Jones, just that extending Jones at 4/40 doesn’t turn into a Markakis-level untradeable contract given the market price for centerfielders.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think it may be untradeable in its last year.
Jones would be around 30 or 31 in the years we’d be interested in trading if we weren’t contending. He doesn’t use his speed effectively on the bases. His .318 OBP last year was below the league OBP of .322. As a hitter, he’s basically Mark Reynolds with a few more popouts replacing strikeouts. As a defender, he’s solid enough, I suppose, but there are absolutely teams that are going to be freaked out by the advanced defensive metrics and what is likely to look like a horrible Coco Crisp contract.
The market price might be high on CF in 2012, but what about in 2016 or 2017 (depending on if the contract bought out an arbitration eligible year)?
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That is a very interesting take on approaching contract and trade
trying to predict how much attitudes toward defensive metrics will change is very interesting. Timing that right could be a big payoff.
Payroll issues in baseball bore me
so here’s a front page post about Mark Reynolds at third base:
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
we could easily play Risk instead.
Much more exciting.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nice work
What is his consensus on his ability to play 1B?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno that there's a consensus
statistically he’s been bad everywhere he’s played.
Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope
so its DH or bust with MR ay?
I figured his 1B play was talked about previously on here. I haven’t looked at any of the stats to see how he did. I mean its 1B…how can you be bad at 1st!?
by IggesRule13 on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think Reynolds has the tools to be a plus defender at 1B
he was never considered to be cover-your-eyes-its-Frank-Thomas-with-a-piano-on-his-back bad at defense prior to last year, and (to my non-professional-scout eyes) Reynolds looked pretty good at 1B in September.
Reynolds’s UZR/150 numbers at 1B are eye-bleachingly bad, but it’s a pretty small sample size.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Don't bother me with your statistics!
What I saw was a bad 3rd baseman, but an adequate 1st baseman. He looked like a ballplayer!
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
by Zeke McGeek on Jan 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
The ball played him.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Whoever runs Barack Obama's website is really violating one of the cardinal rules of mailing lists:
The more things you send me, the less likely it is that i will read any of them. A couple emails a week? I’ll probably look through them. But if you start sending me a couple a day, they’re all getting deleted.
There are no cardinal rules for mailing lists in politics.
Which is largely why I don’t join any of them, even the ones for politicians with whom I have significant ideological overlap. It is inevitable that they are all going to annoy me. I don’t want to be e-mailed, I don’t want to be snail mailed, I don’t want to be texted and I definitely don’t want to be called.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I donated 10 bucks to him in '08.
And then I got email blasted for 3 years from him, the DNC and Florida democrats. I finally got around to deregistering myself from all.
He’ll get my vote in 2012, but not my $10.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Sounds like political campaigns should take dating advice from Camden Chat.
Don’t be creepy!
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha politicians just take charge
I was in a kick where I felt like I should be doing more for my civic duty. So I tried to volunteer for the campaign, I showed up and said hey I want to volunteer and I can do anything that isn’t cold calling people to bother them. They were like yeah thats great we can use every bit of help. I showed up my first day and they were like here are the phones…I said apparently you didn’t understand that I will not bother people on the phone…and then left.
I wouldn't call it creepy... just really really annoying and a little condescending
I don’t need you to interpret everything that happens in the news. I am a grown man, I can read an article and make up my own mind about things. Usually the conclusion that I come up with will match up with your email (but not always), that is why I am affiliated with your party, but I don’t want or need propaganda to enflame my emotions. That’s not how I operate. People on the right (I know it’s not everybody on the right…) who allow someone else’s interpretation of current events to not only justify, but increase their moral indignation and extreme partisanship annoy the crap out of me. So what makes you think I want to be one of those guys on the left? Oh, and stop asking me for money. If a friend asked me for money this much, they wouldn’t be my friend any more.
If you want to talk about creepy. Creepy is using my debit card the first time I have ever stepped foot in an Apple Store to buy a gift card for my MIL, and the guy at the ‘register’ (the registering being his iPhone) letting me know that they sent my receipt to my email address… you know, without me giving him my email address.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
You can be sure that some consultant told them that consistent contact is the way to get the most results.
Really, it might even be true. You find the contact annoying, and I find the contact annoying, and probably anyone who’s secure enough in their political beliefs that they occasionally/often discuss them on the Internet will also find it annoying, but there are a lot of people who don’t, and my guess is it’s those people the campaigns are trying to reach.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
You are probably right.
The funny thing is, there are enough democrats and republicans out there to win any election… just as long as you find a way to get them to show up on election day.
If it were me and a donor list I would send emails the week before the deadline for voter registration, reminding everyone to make sure they are registered at their current address and giving them detailed instructions on how to sign up. Then a week before the election, I would send a daily reminder of the polling times and locations, as well as a daily list of reasons for making the trip. Then thank them for their support and shut up for 2 years.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
This is true-
the number of times a new candidate has appeared on top in the primaries has boggled my mind. Have any of these people that are changing their minds week to week actually done any research or are the all just changing their mind based on sound bites from the most recent debate.
Small donors means they can go to the well more often.
This was one of the things about the ‘08 primary that tipped in Obama’s favor. Hillary had a lot of people who were giving the max of $2,000, and Obama had a lot more people who were giving like $25 at a time. The $25 donors could give again the next month, and the next as the election wore on.
As far as between election cycles, there’s always some inside-the-beltway reason they can crow about for why you need to donate or call your congressman or whatever. Enough people on the small-donor list are probably bored and living meaningless enough lives where they can buy into feeling like they are a part of this struggle and like they belong to some cause. It doesn’t cost them anything to e-mail you and 5,000 people who don’t give a shit in the hopes that 50 of the people who get the message do something.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Is it change.org, or something else?
In the past two weeks I’ve been getting stuff from them but I can’t remember having any interaction that would cause this
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think if you donated to the campaign
and they have your email you ended up subscribed.
Last year on election day, Obama's website sent me like four text messages and six emails reminding me to vote
If I hadn’t voted in the morning before I went to work I rpobably would have not voted just for spite.
GOTV in the text blast era.
They can hit “send all” on their giant e-mail/text database.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't opened one since his election.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Here's what it says
@dSoldevila
Dionisio Soldevila
Cespedes: “Hay seis equipos que mas intereses tienen en mi. Marlins, Cubs, WhiteSox, Orioles, Detroit y los Indios”
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He says there are six teams interested in having him.
I think you can figure out the rest.
I guess my Spanish from high school hasn’t gone totally to shit, just mostly.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Marlins really want him.
I doubt think anybody will outbid them.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I could understand it simply from the context and knowing what words like "intereses" and "en mi" mean.
Not that hard people.
A couple of months ago...
… I was doing Spanish translations for a survey. I posted on my Facebook, “I love it when Spanish words sound to me like what they are (”los vendedores"). I hate it when they don’t (“dinero”).
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
"dinero" is spanish for actor, right?
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
not the first, won't be the last.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
risk?
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions
I'm planning to leave the office pretty soon.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot to mention this earlier (so you're fucked if you've already done this.....)
Careful not to walk under any ladders or break any mirrors today, as its Friday the 13th. I also recommend carrying around a pig for good luck.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Just to spit in the eye of superstition,
my wife and I got married on a Friday the 13th. When we got to the church, there was a black cat sitting on the steps and we laughed like hell. So far, so good.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
Maybe we should have stayed home...
like this guy. http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2004-08-18-friday-13th_x.htm
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
holy jesus
worst.luck.ever
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like this is written with comedic undertones
which seems in bad taste, given it is someone’s life. I laughed like hell at this part though.
He died on the spot.
They should have filed it under Ironic...
(braces for inevitable ‘what is the actual meaning of irony’ internet fight)
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
wow, really,
the one day I don’t have class in the morning and this place is totally dead.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions
Well, we can't very well talk about you behind your back if you're here.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
why don't you take a stroll down to the mail room?
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Yup, good plan.
I made sure to order more Thai cologne. But it will take a month to get here, shipping from Thailand and all.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Holiday weekend
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people are leaving work early.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
I totally forgot about that.
Sweet, I don’t have classes on Monday.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid is as stupid does.
I’m not sure what this means, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Off gut feel
I’d do it. He’s veteran guy who was really good for awhile so maybe he could teach the young guns a thing or two. He does get a lot of ground balls, good for Camden, not good for the current defense.
If we want a mentor, we should go all-out.
"Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs." -- Earl Weaver
Those baby blue and crimson unis are sweet
They really ought to quit with those pinstripe digs they wear now
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
If they're satisfied by his health, I'd say yes.
A mentor-type who’s actually been a successful pitcher in his career would be some pretty radical shit.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone seen 50/50?
with Seth Rogan. I wanted to see it in theaters but never got around to it. I think it comes out on blu ray soon.
What did ya think?
i thought it was really good.
i downloaded a screener a month or so ago.. its very well done…
my college girlfriend had cancer very similar to his so it touched me personally, but its a solid movie..
"I don't have an on-deck circle for ideas. It's just 'Batter up!!' Even though they're bad" - Mike Birbiglia
by Parkinglotninja on Jan 13, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was good. Nothing special.
I saw My Week With Marilyn last night. I liked it quite a bit. I thought Michelle Williams was amazing. I think she’s my new crush.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
Isn't just the worst, when your hair is about 75% dry, but it is still a little wet.
Something about that just really annoys me.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions
Really? I can't believe I am going to say this...
that is the perfect time to put gel in it. locks in the moisture.
I have never used hair gel.
I wonder if they make it in Thailand.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Babes only like dudes with hair gel
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I have never used hair gel since graduating from middle school...
… and my wife is decidedly babeish. So either I am the exception or your rule is false.
by Tezcatlipoca on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not totally sold on this.
Let’s get zk in here and get a little argument going.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you don't gel your hair you better have a lot of good skills.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't you like
Bake her a cake or something. What about drawing. You’re pretty good at that, right?
I have a full head of hair, but I keep it pretty short, and it jets out a little bit.
It looks perfectly great without gel, I don’t spikes and frosted tips.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
You're for douchebags
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
...
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Jan 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I never would have thought you liked 30 Rock
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
My hair is like down to my shoulders. I’m not sure what gel would achieve in that situation.
you need SOME sort of product in your hair
that is the correct term: product.
it can be a gel, wax, crème, lotion, tonic. Really, anything but mousse.
No product, no girlfriend.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
hmmm interesting.
I will have to research this. Right now I just shampoo and condition.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
experiment
and/or ask whomever is cutting your hair.
and unless you’re hair’s really short, it’s worth having your hair cut in a proper salon a couple of times by someone who knows that they’re doing. you don’t always have to spend that kind of $$, but hair is a great place to bump up your potential and it’s good to see what the possibilities are.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Not enough and you look like a pedophile, too much and you look Persian
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 13, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
not this kind of product, though
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Except for all the girls that assume if you have product in your hair
you’re actually looking for a boyfriend rather than a girlfriend.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
if they're assuming that after meeting westie
than he’s got worse problems than his hair.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
wow, haha, thanks a lot
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
What?
“No product, no girlfriend” flies in the face of your original, much more accurate belief of confidence is all that really matters. Most girls won’t give a shit if you have “product” in your hair as long as you rock whatever it is you’re sporting.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I personally believe
that tremendous confidence can be gained simply by looking sharp. You look in the mirror and you like what you see, it makes you walk a different way. How you dress, how you groom play heavily into this.
There is no way to rock certain looks …
…. and expect any women but serious outliers to be attracted to you.
Likewise, it’s worth exploring all the different things you can do with your hair and find something you like. It may be what you started with, and it may not. But just doing it a certain way because that’s how they cut it at the hair cuttery is overlooking an opportunity.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
I have Asian hair.
I need the product.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
the rossotron could use a little less hair gel.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
That used to bother me when I had my 'fro.
It was the worst on a cold morning.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
lies, i hope
@JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
the #orioles appear to have some interest in johnny damon. if they sign him, thatd make it 7 AL teams (and 0 NL) for jd
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Look what happened with Boras’ Heyman’s last prediction on the O’s
I'd put it this way; if an offense is a sugar cookie, on base percentage is the pastry part of the cookie, power is the icing, and baserunning is like the jimmies that they sprinkle onto the icing. - Bill James
by J(O's)elskIL on Jan 14, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter is trying to kill me with these Damon news tidbits.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
buck doesn't want a full time dh guy
he wants a guy that cant hit well and can field just well enough to hurt the team. THANKS.
He made perfectly poor use of his full time DH guy last season.
And never gave any sign whatsoever that he didn’t want a full time DH guy.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Howdy Camden Chat
Guess who has two thumbs and is sort of freaked out by his first run through of mid terms in HS.
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions
Don't worry.
As the only CC member to be active while in Middle School, high school, and college, I can tell you, you will be just fine.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
You’re worried about high school mid terms?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A little.
It’s more the unfamiliarity that concerns me more.
I like throwing baseballs & footballs. Walks on beach are cool, especially w/wife & kids or some Bieber beats. Shoes are my passion and I love to ride bikes. - Guts' Twitter Bio
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I say that because I never studied in high school
Not that its a good thing
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
You can form complete, coherent sentences, which probably sets you above 75% or more of your peers.
Don’t sweat it.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
wecome back!
don’t be freaked out. No one will give a damn about your HS midterms in a few years.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
So I've been listening to this "on the floor" song by J Lo, I'm not ashamed.
How old is she and how was she not in the hottie bracket????
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions
Can I have the blog?
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I want the bejeweled shoes. Those things must fetch a huge price on ebay.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
If anyone wants a good movie recommendation
Senna is now available on Netflix streaming. I saw it in the theater, and thought it was great.
"Work fast. Throw strikes. Change speeds." Ray Miller
Pineda to Yankees is blowing up on twitter
:(
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions
Bogdamnit
Just read that too.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's no longer a rumor.
Real thing. Good for the M’s, probably good for the Yankees, bad for the Orioles. I really liked Pineda too. oh well.
When Andino finally emerged, he looked up at the Red Sox fans filing out. "I just wanted to see them go," he says
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jan 13, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Def. good for the MFY
they traded a player they didn’t really have room for, for a young could be great starter.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
MF the key letters
Will the Os ever catch a break? Dammit.
by IggesRule13 on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Pineda for Montero. Others involved as well.
He praised my creativity, though he spoke sarcastically...
by PBR me ASAP! on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I put a little fanshot on the FP for discussion.
Stacey and Andrew have figured out the trick of making Fanshots appear on the front page without them showing up on the Fanshots link on the side, but I haven’t done so yet.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I did, which is why it showed up on the front page.
"So I said, 'Looks like they've finally got Ogea in the pen. I wonder if the glove fits.' I thought I was going to get fired." - Mike Flanagan, RIP
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
hm, I dunno
Normally if I check the front page box before I publish it doesn’t show up in the fan shot list, but if I publish then go back and click front page, it stays there.
Dude....
Thats a compliment
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
So here's PART of what I did with my day...
http://teamdelmarva.net/DelmarvaClassic/2012BRMC/tourney_site/index.htm
And a 19 weight class JV tournament at the same time. Woo hoo!
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.
The proper order to watch Firefly episodes is confusing.
I DVRed the Firefly marathon and I don’t think the episodes are ordered properly.
I also heard Luke Scott interviewed in XM. He seemed a little peeved about leaving. He mentioned that he wanted to go a team that wanted him several times. He said his shoulder is fine, but he needs to rehab those muscles. I’m not sure if shoulder muscles ever fully heal though.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
i have had labrum tears on both sides in the past three years
and I now feel no pain and can do tons of weight stuff.
Of course, swinging a bat is vastly different from lifting weights.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Fox moved a bunch of episodes around when it aired
in a way that didn’t make any sense.
This is the proper order:
1) Serenity (parts 1 & 2)
2) The Train Job
3) Bushwhacked
4) Shindig
5) Safe
6) Our Mrs. Reynolds
7) Jaynestown
8) Out of Gas
9) Ariel
10) War Stories
11) Trash
12) The Message
13) Heart of Gold
14) Objects in Space
whoa lesbian action in war stories.
and now i have finished firefly. i think i might finally tackle the wire next.
Kevin Gregg-"You obviously haven't acquired my taste for pitching yet"
breakfast club, pretty in pink...
even saint elmo’s fire.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
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